Knicks · Olympic Melo (page 2)

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo shot 48% from 3 when uncontested. Think there is a reason JH wants him to run more? He just needs to get down fast enough to spot up. If Melo took 10 transition 3's a game next year that would be a good thing. Dude's a sniper.

exactly! been saying this for years ... one of the best catch and shoot players in the league.

I'd be interested in his percentage when he takes multiple dribbles to create 3 point shots. The video showed them going in but I'm going to guess his percentage is a lot lower.

much much lower ... need to find them but I remember that once he takes one dribble the numbers tank

EnySpree wrote:If he's making 3s and making it look easy who cares how far he gets off the ground. He has great rhythm on his jumpshot. If he's in a set position he's money. He's good at making bad shots too... he's a bad man

it is actually better that he is jumping less as is less reliant on his legs as he ages.

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If he's making 3s and making it look easy who cares how far he gets off the ground. He has great rhythm on his jumpshot. If he's in a set position he's money. He's good at making bad shots too... he's a bad man

it is actually better that he is jumping less as is less reliant on his legs as he ages.

I'd rather he be a 6'8 Ray Allen at this point in his career. Don't handle the rock at all, just go around a screen or 2, 1 or 2 dribble max pull up, definitely catch and shoot, and camp in the corner ready for the kickout 3 player.

That would be ideal for the Knicks, to properly squeeze the remaining last 3 years of Melo's albatross contract.

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If he's making 3s and making it look easy who cares how far he gets off the ground. He has great rhythm on his jumpshot. If he's in a set position he's money. He's good at making bad shots too... he's a bad man

it is actually better that he is jumping less as is less reliant on his legs as he ages.

I'd rather he be a 6'8 Ray Allen at this point in his career. Don't handle the rock at all, just go around a screen or 2, 1 or 2 dribble max pull up, definitely catch and shoot, and camp in the corner ready for the kickout 3 player.

That would be ideal for the Knicks, to properly squeeze the remaining last 3 years of Melo's albatross contract.

his contract is no longer an albatross.

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If he's making 3s and making it look easy who cares how far he gets off the ground. He has great rhythm on his jumpshot. If he's in a set position he's money. He's good at making bad shots too... he's a bad man

it is actually better that he is jumping less as is less reliant on his legs as he ages.

I'd rather he be a 6'8 Ray Allen at this point in his career. Don't handle the rock at all, just go around a screen or 2, 1 or 2 dribble max pull up, definitely catch and shoot, and camp in the corner ready for the kickout 3 player.

That would be ideal for the Knicks, to properly squeeze the remaining last 3 years of Melo's albatross contract.

his contract is no longer an albatross.

It was and still is. Just because he takes only a quarter of the cap now and not over a third of the cap, doesn't mean you'll get a ROI on the remaining $80 million on his contract. Just means his bad contract is on sale now.

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If he's making 3s and making it look easy who cares how far he gets off the ground. He has great rhythm on his jumpshot. If he's in a set position he's money. He's good at making bad shots too... he's a bad man

it is actually better that he is jumping less as is less reliant on his legs as he ages.

I'd rather he be a 6'8 Ray Allen at this point in his career. Don't handle the rock at all, just go around a screen or 2, 1 or 2 dribble max pull up, definitely catch and shoot, and camp in the corner ready for the kickout 3 player.

That would be ideal for the Knicks, to properly squeeze the remaining last 3 years of Melo's albatross contract.

his contract is no longer an albatross.

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If he's making 3s and making it look easy who cares how far he gets off the ground. He has great rhythm on his jumpshot. If he's in a set position he's money. He's good at making bad shots too... he's a bad man

it is actually better that he is jumping less as is less reliant on his legs as he ages.

I'd rather he be a 6'8 Ray Allen at this point in his career. Don't handle the rock at all, just go around a screen or 2, 1 or 2 dribble max pull up, definitely catch and shoot, and camp in the corner ready for the kickout 3 player.

That would be ideal for the Knicks, to properly squeeze the remaining last 3 years of Melo's albatross contract.

Ah...but wait. Wasn't Allen 6'5, 40 pounds lighter and..oh yeah....a shooting guard?

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If he's making 3s and making it look easy who cares how far he gets off the ground. He has great rhythm on his jumpshot. If he's in a set position he's money. He's good at making bad shots too... he's a bad man

it is actually better that he is jumping less as is less reliant on his legs as he ages.

I'd rather he be a 6'8 Ray Allen at this point in his career. Don't handle the rock at all, just go around a screen or 2, 1 or 2 dribble max pull up, definitely catch and shoot, and camp in the corner ready for the kickout 3 player.

That would be ideal for the Knicks, to properly squeeze the remaining last 3 years of Melo's albatross contract.

his contract is no longer an albatross.

That's questionable. Would you have paid $23 mil per for someone else who was 32, had 13 years of wear and tear, and a .130 WS48? Would you sign them at that price for years 14 to 16 of their career? Or would you get younger players at better value to build with KP?

So... Chicago Bulls and Dwayne Wade like? Nah...I'd sign Steph Curry and KD. Then add Russell Westbrook just for shits and giggles. You know...guys that are just dying to come here. But if we did have his cap space, who would you have signed?

HofstraBBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If he's making 3s and making it look easy who cares how far he gets off the ground. He has great rhythm on his jumpshot. If he's in a set position he's money. He's good at making bad shots too... he's a bad man

it is actually better that he is jumping less as is less reliant on his legs as he ages.

I'd rather he be a 6'8 Ray Allen at this point in his career. Don't handle the rock at all, just go around a screen or 2, 1 or 2 dribble max pull up, definitely catch and shoot, and camp in the corner ready for the kickout 3 player.

That would be ideal for the Knicks, to properly squeeze the remaining last 3 years of Melo's albatross contract.

his contract is no longer an albatross.

That's questionable. Would you have paid $23 mil per for someone else who was 32, had 13 years of wear and tear, and a .130 WS48? Would you sign them at that price for years 14 to 16 of their career? Or would you get younger players at better value to build with KP?

So... Chicago Bulls and Dwayne Wade like? Nah...I'd sign Steph Curry and KD. Then add Russell Westbrook just for shits and giggles. You know...guys that are just dying to come here. But if we did have his cap space, who would you have signed?

dk7th wrote:hornacek wants him to sprint to get open as rose/jennings push the ball. i'll believe it when i see it. he's never been fast and has conditioning/weight issues. meanwhile, i want hornacek to be sure that melo continues to be the playmaker i saw for 25 games last season, but this time i want to see that for 70 games.

HofstraBBall wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If he's making 3s and making it look easy who cares how far he gets off the ground. He has great rhythm on his jumpshot. If he's in a set position he's money. He's good at making bad shots too... he's a bad man

it is actually better that he is jumping less as is less reliant on his legs as he ages.

I'd rather he be a 6'8 Ray Allen at this point in his career. Don't handle the rock at all, just go around a screen or 2, 1 or 2 dribble max pull up, definitely catch and shoot, and camp in the corner ready for the kickout 3 player.

That would be ideal for the Knicks, to properly squeeze the remaining last 3 years of Melo's albatross contract.

Ah...but wait. Wasn't Allen 6'5, 40 pounds lighter and..oh yeah....a shooting guard?

What does size have to do with being a catch and shoot scoring specialist? You totally missed the point.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:hornacek wants him to sprint to get open as rose/jennings push the ball. i'll believe it when i see it. he's never been fast and has conditioning/weight issues. meanwhile, i want hornacek to be sure that melo continues to be the playmaker i saw for 25 games last season, but this time i want to see that for 70 games.

Melo was player of the month two consecutive years in April prior to his injury. The year before his injury he played the 4th most minutes in the nba and I believe averaged the most minutes played per game. Conditioning hasn't been an issue for him as a knick.

Yeah Melo should be ready to run and get to the 3pt line. He's not gonna be expected to beat everyone down the floor all game. We have faster players for that. I'm not worried about Melo to be honest. Dude is a baller and the better his teammates are he can raise his level to match. That's why he balls out in Olympic team play.

ChuckBuck wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If he's making 3s and making it look easy who cares how far he gets off the ground. He has great rhythm on his jumpshot. If he's in a set position he's money. He's good at making bad shots too... he's a bad man

it is actually better that he is jumping less as is less reliant on his legs as he ages.

I'd rather he be a 6'8 Ray Allen at this point in his career. Don't handle the rock at all, just go around a screen or 2, 1 or 2 dribble max pull up, definitely catch and shoot, and camp in the corner ready for the kickout 3 player.

That would be ideal for the Knicks, to properly squeeze the remaining last 3 years of Melo's albatross contract.

Ah...but wait. Wasn't Allen 6'5, 40 pounds lighter and..oh yeah....a shooting guard?

What does size have to do with being a catch and shoot scoring specialist? You totally missed the point.

because ray allen runs around the court like a gazelle forcing players to chase him through picks. Thats how he got open. Melo can't do that. Allen was not really a guy who ever just stayed still and waited for the ball.

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If he's making 3s and making it look easy who cares how far he gets off the ground. He has great rhythm on his jumpshot. If he's in a set position he's money. He's good at making bad shots too... he's a bad man

it is actually better that he is jumping less as is less reliant on his legs as he ages.

I'd rather he be a 6'8 Ray Allen at this point in his career. Don't handle the rock at all, just go around a screen or 2, 1 or 2 dribble max pull up, definitely catch and shoot, and camp in the corner ready for the kickout 3 player.

That would be ideal for the Knicks, to properly squeeze the remaining last 3 years of Melo's albatross contract.

his contract is no longer an albatross.

That's questionable. Would you have paid $23 mil per for someone else who was 32, had 13 years of wear and tear, and a .130 WS48? Would you sign them at that price for years 14 to 16 of their career? Or would you get younger players at better value to build with KP?

So... Chicago Bulls and Dwayne Wade like? Nah...I'd sign Steph Curry and KD. Then add Russell Westbrook just for shits and giggles. You know...guys that are just dying to come here. But if we did have his cap space, who would you have signed?

Well, I wanted to trade Melo when his value was at its highest (back when he was 3rd in MVP voting).

me too but that ship has sailed. Now the question is if the contract is an albatross and based on this passed off season, its not.

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If he's making 3s and making it look easy who cares how far he gets off the ground. He has great rhythm on his jumpshot. If he's in a set position he's money. He's good at making bad shots too... he's a bad man

it is actually better that he is jumping less as is less reliant on his legs as he ages.

I'd rather he be a 6'8 Ray Allen at this point in his career. Don't handle the rock at all, just go around a screen or 2, 1 or 2 dribble max pull up, definitely catch and shoot, and camp in the corner ready for the kickout 3 player.

That would be ideal for the Knicks, to properly squeeze the remaining last 3 years of Melo's albatross contract.

Ah...but wait. Wasn't Allen 6'5, 40 pounds lighter and..oh yeah....a shooting guard?

What does size have to do with being a catch and shoot scoring specialist? You totally missed the point.

because ray allen runs around the court like a gazelle forcing players to chase him through picks. Thats how he got open. Melo can't do that. Allen was not really a guy who ever just stayed still and waited for the ball.

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If he's making 3s and making it look easy who cares how far he gets off the ground. He has great rhythm on his jumpshot. If he's in a set position he's money. He's good at making bad shots too... he's a bad man

it is actually better that he is jumping less as is less reliant on his legs as he ages.

I'd rather he be a 6'8 Ray Allen at this point in his career. Don't handle the rock at all, just go around a screen or 2, 1 or 2 dribble max pull up, definitely catch and shoot, and camp in the corner ready for the kickout 3 player.

That would be ideal for the Knicks, to properly squeeze the remaining last 3 years of Melo's albatross contract.

his contract is no longer an albatross.

That's questionable. Would you have paid $23 mil per for someone else who was 32, had 13 years of wear and tear, and a .130 WS48? Would you sign them at that price for years 14 to 16 of their career? Or would you get younger players at better value to build with KP?

So... Chicago Bulls and Dwayne Wade like? Nah...I'd sign Steph Curry and KD. Then add Russell Westbrook just for shits and giggles. You know...guys that are just dying to come here. But if we did have his cap space, who would you have signed?

Well, I wanted to trade Melo when his value was at its highest (back when he was 3rd in MVP voting).

me too but that ship has sailed. Now the question is if the contract is an albatross and based on this passed off season, its not.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If he's making 3s and making it look easy who cares how far he gets off the ground. He has great rhythm on his jumpshot. If he's in a set position he's money. He's good at making bad shots too... he's a bad man

it is actually better that he is jumping less as is less reliant on his legs as he ages.

I'd rather he be a 6'8 Ray Allen at this point in his career. Don't handle the rock at all, just go around a screen or 2, 1 or 2 dribble max pull up, definitely catch and shoot, and camp in the corner ready for the kickout 3 player.

That would be ideal for the Knicks, to properly squeeze the remaining last 3 years of Melo's albatross contract.

his contract is no longer an albatross.

That's questionable. Would you have paid $23 mil per for someone else who was 32, had 13 years of wear and tear, and a .130 WS48? Would you sign them at that price for years 14 to 16 of their career? Or would you get younger players at better value to build with KP?

So... Chicago Bulls and Dwayne Wade like? Nah...I'd sign Steph Curry and KD. Then add Russell Westbrook just for shits and giggles. You know...guys that are just dying to come here. But if we did have his cap space, who would you have signed?

Well, I wanted to trade Melo when his value was at its highest (back when he was 3rd in MVP voting).

me too but that ship has sailed. Now the question is if the contract is an albatross and based on this passed off season, its not.

Based on this off-season, some other teams also added albatross contracts. Even after this off-season, how many players with .130 win shares and other advanced stats like his would give $23 mil per to? Then throw in that we're talking about paying him for his early to mid 30s.

He'll be making $27 million in age 35 at the tail end of his career, but no where close to producing at a decent rate.

If that's not the definition of Albatross, then I don't know what is.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:hornacek wants him to sprint to get open as rose/jennings push the ball. i'll believe it when i see it. he's never been fast and has conditioning/weight issues. meanwhile, i want hornacek to be sure that melo continues to be the playmaker i saw for 25 games last season, but this time i want to see that for 70 games.

Melo was player of the month two consecutive years in April prior to his injury. The year before his injury he played the 4th most minutes in the nba and I believe averaged the most minutes played per game. Conditioning hasn't been an issue for him as a knick.

Yeah Melo should be ready to run and get to the 3pt line. He's not gonna be expected to beat everyone down the floor all game. We have faster players for that. I'm not worried about Melo to be honest. Dude is a baller and the better his teammates are he can raise his level to match. That's why he balls out in Olympic team play.

I agree that he balls out when surrounded by better players......BUT......I also think his game is better in certain wide open free flowing systems with less media and knick pressure. This is like a mental vacation for him.....and it shows he would've balled out in any free flowing system outside of the triangle. I think our new coach will be a refreshing addition for Rose and Melo.