Knicks · RealGm Article: Sovling the Knicks offense with Carmelo Anthony as a stretch four (page 2)
nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
My optimism has NOTHING to do with my main point which is that Rose and Melo as vets with proven histories of being lead players should continue that role and let KP play off of them at least to start so that there's less pressure on KP. There is simply no reason to force things with KP. Let KP naturally take on what he's comfortable with. If he shows he is ready for more there would be no problem with letting him take it on, but no way you force it early.
I really have no idea what you ChuckBuck and dk7th are going on about when it comes to this Rose thing. Rose is not coming here to take a backseat. He's going to have a prominent role. He's the lead guard for goodness sakes. While Rose had a rough start due to the Orbital Surgery, he did start to get his game going and I suspect he's gonna come into next season raring to go in a contract year.
Melo is going to also come into next season looking to lead along with Noah and Rose. This nonsense about Rose and Melo not being up to it is crazy. The Knicks Big 3 is Rose, Melo and KP, PERIOD!!!
nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
My optimism has NOTHING to do with my main point which is that Rose and Melo as vets with proven histories of being lead players should continue that role and let KP play off of them at least to start so that there's less pressure on KP. There is simply no reason to force things with KP. Let KP naturally take on what he's comfortable with. If he shows he is ready for more there would be no problem with letting him take it on, but no way you force it early.
I really have no idea what you ChuckBuck and dk7th are going on about when it comes to this Rose thing. Rose is not coming here to take a backseat. He's going to have a prominent role. He's the lead guard for goodness sakes. While Rose had a rough start due to the Orbital Surgery, he did start to get his game going and I suspect he's gonna come into next season raring to go in a contract year.
Melo is going to also come into next season looking to lead along with Noah and Rose. This nonsense about Rose and Melo not being up to it is crazy. The Knicks Big 3 is Rose, Melo and KP, PERIOD!!!
does rose make others around him better? the answer is a definitive "NO." please stop the madness. his drives are exercises in selfishness and tunnelvision-- he commits the cardinal sin of leaving his feet to pass-- and as a result his assists are empty calories. maybe you equate ability with price tag.
he has played 40% of a possible 410 games the last 5 seasons.
but yeah, according to you, lets give him the responsibility for "taking pressure off of kp6." again, stop the madness. rose is a stopgap, a one-year audition just like felton was with walsh.
nixluva wrote:did i mention melo? No i didnt, melo looks fantastic in the olympics so im fine with him. Rose is coming off many injuries the past few years. He isnt the same player anymore. Secondly i never said they should force KP to carry the team but he is gonna have a monster year IMO. I think Rose will help but he shouldnt be the option before KP....PERIODStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
My optimism has NOTHING to do with my main point which is that Rose and Melo as vets with proven histories of being lead players should continue that role and let KP play off of them at least to start so that there's less pressure on KP. There is simply no reason to force things with KP. Let KP naturally take on what he's comfortable with. If he shows he is ready for more there would be no problem with letting him take it on, but no way you force it early.
I really have no idea what you ChuckBuck and dk7th are going on about when it comes to this Rose thing. Rose is not coming here to take a backseat. He's going to have a prominent role. He's the lead guard for goodness sakes. While Rose had a rough start due to the Orbital Surgery, he did start to get his game going and I suspect he's gonna come into next season raring to go in a contract year.
Melo is going to also come into next season looking to lead along with Noah and Rose. This nonsense about Rose and Melo not being up to it is crazy. The Knicks Big 3 is Rose, Melo and KP, PERIOD!!!
dk7th wrote:If you use games missed as your bases for player expectations why would you waste anyone's time with your post about how the Knicks need to get Gallinari in 2017?nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
My optimism has NOTHING to do with my main point which is that Rose and Melo as vets with proven histories of being lead players should continue that role and let KP play off of them at least to start so that there's less pressure on KP. There is simply no reason to force things with KP. Let KP naturally take on what he's comfortable with. If he shows he is ready for more there would be no problem with letting him take it on, but no way you force it early.
I really have no idea what you ChuckBuck and dk7th are going on about when it comes to this Rose thing. Rose is not coming here to take a backseat. He's going to have a prominent role. He's the lead guard for goodness sakes. While Rose had a rough start due to the Orbital Surgery, he did start to get his game going and I suspect he's gonna come into next season raring to go in a contract year.
Melo is going to also come into next season looking to lead along with Noah and Rose. This nonsense about Rose and Melo not being up to it is crazy. The Knicks Big 3 is Rose, Melo and KP, PERIOD!!!
does rose make others around him better? the answer is a definitive "NO." please stop the madness. his drives are exercises in selfishness and tunnelvision-- he commits the cardinal sin of leaving his feet to pass-- and as a result his assists are empty calories. maybe you equate ability with price tag.
he has played 40% of a possible 410 games the last 5 seasons.
but yeah, according to you, lets give him the responsibility for "taking pressure off of kp6." again, stop the madness. rose is a stopgap, a one-year audition just like felton was with walsh.
Phil's words,
“It’s about the season ahead of us,” Jackson said. “Derrick’s got a drive in him. I know he’s going to do well. It’s part of it. We’ll cross that as we go along for next year. We’d like to have him long-term. Certainly one of the great things about it.”
“I always talk about lead-guard activity,’’ Jackson said. “One of the guys who’s decisive, aggressive. A very high, competitive level to his game. We felt our group needed to have some kind of aggressive play, a full-court aggressive attack. This is one of the ways we could get it done.”
http://nypost.com/2016/06/24/phil-jackso...
nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
My optimism has NOTHING to do with my main point which is that Rose and Melo as vets with proven histories of being lead players should continue that role and let KP play off of them at least to start so that there's less pressure on KP. There is simply no reason to force things with KP. Let KP naturally take on what he's comfortable with. If he shows he is ready for more there would be no problem with letting him take it on, but no way you force it early.
I really have no idea what you ChuckBuck and dk7th are going on about when it comes to this Rose thing. Rose is not coming here to take a backseat. He's going to have a prominent role. He's the lead guard for goodness sakes. While Rose had a rough start due to the Orbital Surgery, he did start to get his game going and I suspect he's gonna come into next season raring to go in a contract year.
Melo is going to also come into next season looking to lead along with Noah and Rose. This nonsense about Rose and Melo not being up to it is crazy. The Knicks Big 3 is Rose, Melo and KP, PERIOD!!!
it's not forcing things! he's already shown he is ready for more, which translates to he's comfortable taking on more. he was a close second in rookie of the year and he ranked in the top 5 among power forwards last year. he wants the responsibility and the pressure and does not need to be coddled or brought along slowly. by doing so you are putting him behind the other two. he is a phenomenon but no-- "lets take it slow."
"we just spent 20 million dollars on a washed up player so lets make him part of our "big 3." by telling rose "it's your team because you a re the lead guard" you are actually hindering kp6's growth.
i am speaking about what we have seen while you are speaking about what we have yet to see.
dk7th wrote:Excellent Post. KP is clearly ready to take the next step without having to force it.nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
My optimism has NOTHING to do with my main point which is that Rose and Melo as vets with proven histories of being lead players should continue that role and let KP play off of them at least to start so that there's less pressure on KP. There is simply no reason to force things with KP. Let KP naturally take on what he's comfortable with. If he shows he is ready for more there would be no problem with letting him take it on, but no way you force it early.
I really have no idea what you ChuckBuck and dk7th are going on about when it comes to this Rose thing. Rose is not coming here to take a backseat. He's going to have a prominent role. He's the lead guard for goodness sakes. While Rose had a rough start due to the Orbital Surgery, he did start to get his game going and I suspect he's gonna come into next season raring to go in a contract year.
Melo is going to also come into next season looking to lead along with Noah and Rose. This nonsense about Rose and Melo not being up to it is crazy. The Knicks Big 3 is Rose, Melo and KP, PERIOD!!!
it's not forcing things! he's already shown he is ready for more, which translates to he's comfortable taking on more. he was a close second in rookie of the year and he ranked in the top 5 among power forwards last year. he wants the responsibility and the pressure and does not need to be coddled or brought along slowly. by doing so you are putting him behind the other two. he is a phenomenon but no-- "lets take it slow."
"we just spent 20 million dollars on a washed up player so lets make him part of our "big 3." by telling rose "it's your team because you a re the lead guard" you are actually hindering kp6's growth.
i am speaking about what we have seen while you are speaking about what we have yet to see.
StarksEwing1 wrote:dk7th wrote:Excellent Post. KP is clearly ready to take the next step without having to force it.nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
My optimism has NOTHING to do with my main point which is that Rose and Melo as vets with proven histories of being lead players should continue that role and let KP play off of them at least to start so that there's less pressure on KP. There is simply no reason to force things with KP. Let KP naturally take on what he's comfortable with. If he shows he is ready for more there would be no problem with letting him take it on, but no way you force it early.
I really have no idea what you ChuckBuck and dk7th are going on about when it comes to this Rose thing. Rose is not coming here to take a backseat. He's going to have a prominent role. He's the lead guard for goodness sakes. While Rose had a rough start due to the Orbital Surgery, he did start to get his game going and I suspect he's gonna come into next season raring to go in a contract year.
Melo is going to also come into next season looking to lead along with Noah and Rose. This nonsense about Rose and Melo not being up to it is crazy. The Knicks Big 3 is Rose, Melo and KP, PERIOD!!!
it's not forcing things! he's already shown he is ready for more, which translates to he's comfortable taking on more. he was a close second in rookie of the year and he ranked in the top 5 among power forwards last year. he wants the responsibility and the pressure and does not need to be coddled or brought along slowly. by doing so you are putting him behind the other two. he is a phenomenon but no-- "lets take it slow."
"we just spent 20 million dollars on a washed up player so lets make him part of our "big 3." by telling rose "it's your team because you a re the lead guard" you are actually hindering kp6's growth.
i am speaking about what we have seen while you are speaking about what we have yet to see.
KP is already a primary scorer for this team but he doesn't come into the season with a history of being the #1 option which you guys are completely missing. Rose has been an MVP and leader of his team. Melo has won a scoring title and been the #1 option on his teams. KP as talented as he is, has yet to play an entire season as the primary scoring option, PERIOD!!!
Now if KP shows in camp that he's ready to take on that kind of role it will be evident to Hornacek and he can adjust things as necessary. However, there's no reason to push Rose aside as if he is just some scrub we brought in to only pass the ball. Let's not get carried away with the Rose criticisms. What we needed most was an uptempo and penetrating PG. This is something that Rose does very well to this very day. Rose will pass the ball to his fellow starters. It's simply not true that he won't pass the ball to them.
nixluva wrote:im not missing any point. Ive probably played and watched just as much bball as you have. I NEVER called Rose washed up, in fact i said he will help. HOWEVER this isnt 2012 rose anymore. All those injuries have taken a toll..you would be a fool to deny that. As for KP i understand he wasnt the main option last year and in spain but that was mostly because of his age. Aftwr a successful rookie year he will be able to take the next step along side melo as our main optionsStarksEwing1 wrote:dk7th wrote:Excellent Post. KP is clearly ready to take the next step without having to force it.nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
My optimism has NOTHING to do with my main point which is that Rose and Melo as vets with proven histories of being lead players should continue that role and let KP play off of them at least to start so that there's less pressure on KP. There is simply no reason to force things with KP. Let KP naturally take on what he's comfortable with. If he shows he is ready for more there would be no problem with letting him take it on, but no way you force it early.
I really have no idea what you ChuckBuck and dk7th are going on about when it comes to this Rose thing. Rose is not coming here to take a backseat. He's going to have a prominent role. He's the lead guard for goodness sakes. While Rose had a rough start due to the Orbital Surgery, he did start to get his game going and I suspect he's gonna come into next season raring to go in a contract year.
Melo is going to also come into next season looking to lead along with Noah and Rose. This nonsense about Rose and Melo not being up to it is crazy. The Knicks Big 3 is Rose, Melo and KP, PERIOD!!!
it's not forcing things! he's already shown he is ready for more, which translates to he's comfortable taking on more. he was a close second in rookie of the year and he ranked in the top 5 among power forwards last year. he wants the responsibility and the pressure and does not need to be coddled or brought along slowly. by doing so you are putting him behind the other two. he is a phenomenon but no-- "lets take it slow."
"we just spent 20 million dollars on a washed up player so lets make him part of our "big 3." by telling rose "it's your team because you a re the lead guard" you are actually hindering kp6's growth.
i am speaking about what we have seen while you are speaking about what we have yet to see.
KP is already a primary scorer for this team but he doesn't come into the season with a history of being the #1 option which you guys are completely missing. Rose has been an MVP and leader of his team. Melo has won a scoring title and been the #1 option on his teams. KP as talented as he is, has yet to play an entire season as the primary scoring option, PERIOD!!!Now if KP shows in camp that he's ready to take on that kind of role it will be evident to Hornacek and he can adjust things as necessary. However, there's no reason to push Rose aside as if he is just some scrub we brought in to only pass the ball. Let's not get carried away with the Rose criticisms. What we needed most was an uptempo and penetrating PG. This is something that Rose does very well to this very day. Rose will pass the ball to his fellow starters. It's simply not true that he won't pass the ball to them.
StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing any point. Ive probably played and watched just as much bball as you have. I NEVER called Rose washed up, in fact i said he will help. HOWEVER this isnt 2012 rose anymore. All those injuries have taken a toll..you would be a fool to deny that. As for KP i understand he wasnt the main option last year and in spain but that was mostly because of his age. Aftwr a successful rookie year he will be able to take the next step along side melo as our main optionsStarksEwing1 wrote:dk7th wrote:Excellent Post. KP is clearly ready to take the next step without having to force it.nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
My optimism has NOTHING to do with my main point which is that Rose and Melo as vets with proven histories of being lead players should continue that role and let KP play off of them at least to start so that there's less pressure on KP. There is simply no reason to force things with KP. Let KP naturally take on what he's comfortable with. If he shows he is ready for more there would be no problem with letting him take it on, but no way you force it early.
I really have no idea what you ChuckBuck and dk7th are going on about when it comes to this Rose thing. Rose is not coming here to take a backseat. He's going to have a prominent role. He's the lead guard for goodness sakes. While Rose had a rough start due to the Orbital Surgery, he did start to get his game going and I suspect he's gonna come into next season raring to go in a contract year.
Melo is going to also come into next season looking to lead along with Noah and Rose. This nonsense about Rose and Melo not being up to it is crazy. The Knicks Big 3 is Rose, Melo and KP, PERIOD!!!
it's not forcing things! he's already shown he is ready for more, which translates to he's comfortable taking on more. he was a close second in rookie of the year and he ranked in the top 5 among power forwards last year. he wants the responsibility and the pressure and does not need to be coddled or brought along slowly. by doing so you are putting him behind the other two. he is a phenomenon but no-- "lets take it slow."
"we just spent 20 million dollars on a washed up player so lets make him part of our "big 3." by telling rose "it's your team because you a re the lead guard" you are actually hindering kp6's growth.
i am speaking about what we have seen while you are speaking about what we have yet to see.
KP is already a primary scorer for this team but he doesn't come into the season with a history of being the #1 option which you guys are completely missing. Rose has been an MVP and leader of his team. Melo has won a scoring title and been the #1 option on his teams. KP as talented as he is, has yet to play an entire season as the primary scoring option, PERIOD!!!Now if KP shows in camp that he's ready to take on that kind of role it will be evident to Hornacek and he can adjust things as necessary. However, there's no reason to push Rose aside as if he is just some scrub we brought in to only pass the ball. Let's not get carried away with the Rose criticisms. What we needed most was an uptempo and penetrating PG. This is something that Rose does very well to this very day. Rose will pass the ball to his fellow starters. It's simply not true that he won't pass the ball to them.
I'm not just talking to you ya know! Some of what I'm writing is directed at dk7th.
Regarding Rose the injury thing is obvious but what goes underrated is just how much he still has left. You will see just how good he stil is next season. You guys can keep TALKIN him down but you're making a huge mistake.
We all know how talented KP is. The fact remains that he has yet to show he is ready to be a #1 option. There literally no reason to thrust him into that role just yet. Let him do his thing with other teams focused on Rose and Melo! He'll be able to do lots of damage that way minus unnecessary pressure. This is a good situation that many young players don't have the luxury of having.
nixluva wrote:How am i talking him down? I clearly said multiple times that he will HELP us. However he isnt the same player he was. Its not a knock just the facts of life. Im a diehard knick fan but i always try to be objectiveStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing any point. Ive probably played and watched just as much bball as you have. I NEVER called Rose washed up, in fact i said he will help. HOWEVER this isnt 2012 rose anymore. All those injuries have taken a toll..you would be a fool to deny that. As for KP i understand he wasnt the main option last year and in spain but that was mostly because of his age. Aftwr a successful rookie year he will be able to take the next step along side melo as our main optionsStarksEwing1 wrote:dk7th wrote:Excellent Post. KP is clearly ready to take the next step without having to force it.nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
My optimism has NOTHING to do with my main point which is that Rose and Melo as vets with proven histories of being lead players should continue that role and let KP play off of them at least to start so that there's less pressure on KP. There is simply no reason to force things with KP. Let KP naturally take on what he's comfortable with. If he shows he is ready for more there would be no problem with letting him take it on, but no way you force it early.
I really have no idea what you ChuckBuck and dk7th are going on about when it comes to this Rose thing. Rose is not coming here to take a backseat. He's going to have a prominent role. He's the lead guard for goodness sakes. While Rose had a rough start due to the Orbital Surgery, he did start to get his game going and I suspect he's gonna come into next season raring to go in a contract year.
Melo is going to also come into next season looking to lead along with Noah and Rose. This nonsense about Rose and Melo not being up to it is crazy. The Knicks Big 3 is Rose, Melo and KP, PERIOD!!!
it's not forcing things! he's already shown he is ready for more, which translates to he's comfortable taking on more. he was a close second in rookie of the year and he ranked in the top 5 among power forwards last year. he wants the responsibility and the pressure and does not need to be coddled or brought along slowly. by doing so you are putting him behind the other two. he is a phenomenon but no-- "lets take it slow."
"we just spent 20 million dollars on a washed up player so lets make him part of our "big 3." by telling rose "it's your team because you a re the lead guard" you are actually hindering kp6's growth.
i am speaking about what we have seen while you are speaking about what we have yet to see.
KP is already a primary scorer for this team but he doesn't come into the season with a history of being the #1 option which you guys are completely missing. Rose has been an MVP and leader of his team. Melo has won a scoring title and been the #1 option on his teams. KP as talented as he is, has yet to play an entire season as the primary scoring option, PERIOD!!!Now if KP shows in camp that he's ready to take on that kind of role it will be evident to Hornacek and he can adjust things as necessary. However, there's no reason to push Rose aside as if he is just some scrub we brought in to only pass the ball. Let's not get carried away with the Rose criticisms. What we needed most was an uptempo and penetrating PG. This is something that Rose does very well to this very day. Rose will pass the ball to his fellow starters. It's simply not true that he won't pass the ball to them.
I'm not just talking to you ya know! Some of what I'm writing is directed at dk7th.
Regarding Rose the injury thing is obvious but what goes underrated is just how much he still has left. You will see just how good he stil is next season. You guys can keep TALKIN him down but you're making a huge mistake.
We all know how talented KP is. The fact remains that he has yet to show he is ready to be a #1 option. There literally no reason to thrust him into that role just yet. Let him do his thing with other teams focused on Rose and Melo! He'll be able to do lots of damage that way minus unnecessary pressure. This is a good situation that many young players don't have the luxury of having.
StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:How am i talking him down? I clearly said multiple times that he will HELP us. However he isnt the same player he was. Its not a knock just the facts of life. Im a diehard knick fan but i always try to be objectiveStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing any point. Ive probably played and watched just as much bball as you have. I NEVER called Rose washed up, in fact i said he will help. HOWEVER this isnt 2012 rose anymore. All those injuries have taken a toll..you would be a fool to deny that. As for KP i understand he wasnt the main option last year and in spain but that was mostly because of his age. Aftwr a successful rookie year he will be able to take the next step along side melo as our main optionsStarksEwing1 wrote:dk7th wrote:Excellent Post. KP is clearly ready to take the next step without having to force it.nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
My optimism has NOTHING to do with my main point which is that Rose and Melo as vets with proven histories of being lead players should continue that role and let KP play off of them at least to start so that there's less pressure on KP. There is simply no reason to force things with KP. Let KP naturally take on what he's comfortable with. If he shows he is ready for more there would be no problem with letting him take it on, but no way you force it early.
I really have no idea what you ChuckBuck and dk7th are going on about when it comes to this Rose thing. Rose is not coming here to take a backseat. He's going to have a prominent role. He's the lead guard for goodness sakes. While Rose had a rough start due to the Orbital Surgery, he did start to get his game going and I suspect he's gonna come into next season raring to go in a contract year.
Melo is going to also come into next season looking to lead along with Noah and Rose. This nonsense about Rose and Melo not being up to it is crazy. The Knicks Big 3 is Rose, Melo and KP, PERIOD!!!
it's not forcing things! he's already shown he is ready for more, which translates to he's comfortable taking on more. he was a close second in rookie of the year and he ranked in the top 5 among power forwards last year. he wants the responsibility and the pressure and does not need to be coddled or brought along slowly. by doing so you are putting him behind the other two. he is a phenomenon but no-- "lets take it slow."
"we just spent 20 million dollars on a washed up player so lets make him part of our "big 3." by telling rose "it's your team because you a re the lead guard" you are actually hindering kp6's growth.
i am speaking about what we have seen while you are speaking about what we have yet to see.
KP is already a primary scorer for this team but he doesn't come into the season with a history of being the #1 option which you guys are completely missing. Rose has been an MVP and leader of his team. Melo has won a scoring title and been the #1 option on his teams. KP as talented as he is, has yet to play an entire season as the primary scoring option, PERIOD!!!Now if KP shows in camp that he's ready to take on that kind of role it will be evident to Hornacek and he can adjust things as necessary. However, there's no reason to push Rose aside as if he is just some scrub we brought in to only pass the ball. Let's not get carried away with the Rose criticisms. What we needed most was an uptempo and penetrating PG. This is something that Rose does very well to this very day. Rose will pass the ball to his fellow starters. It's simply not true that he won't pass the ball to them.
I'm not just talking to you ya know! Some of what I'm writing is directed at dk7th.
Regarding Rose the injury thing is obvious but what goes underrated is just how much he still has left. You will see just how good he stil is next season. You guys can keep TALKIN him down but you're making a huge mistake.
We all know how talented KP is. The fact remains that he has yet to show he is ready to be a #1 option. There literally no reason to thrust him into that role just yet. Let him do his thing with other teams focused on Rose and Melo! He'll be able to do lots of damage that way minus unnecessary pressure. This is a good situation that many young players don't have the luxury of having.
The suggestion that Rose is not going to be a lead option along with Melo is talking him down. He's gonna have the ball in his hands a lot and both Melo and KP will benefit from his ability to push and penetrate, which he still does at an elite level.
nixluva wrote:whatever man if you think thats talking him down then i dont know what to tell you. I just think you should temper expectations with Rose. Just because he isnt a elite mvp anymore doesnt mean he isnt a good player anymore.StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:How am i talking him down? I clearly said multiple times that he will HELP us. However he isnt the same player he was. Its not a knock just the facts of life. Im a diehard knick fan but i always try to be objectiveStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing any point. Ive probably played and watched just as much bball as you have. I NEVER called Rose washed up, in fact i said he will help. HOWEVER this isnt 2012 rose anymore. All those injuries have taken a toll..you would be a fool to deny that. As for KP i understand he wasnt the main option last year and in spain but that was mostly because of his age. Aftwr a successful rookie year he will be able to take the next step along side melo as our main optionsStarksEwing1 wrote:dk7th wrote:Excellent Post. KP is clearly ready to take the next step without having to force it.nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
My optimism has NOTHING to do with my main point which is that Rose and Melo as vets with proven histories of being lead players should continue that role and let KP play off of them at least to start so that there's less pressure on KP. There is simply no reason to force things with KP. Let KP naturally take on what he's comfortable with. If he shows he is ready for more there would be no problem with letting him take it on, but no way you force it early.
I really have no idea what you ChuckBuck and dk7th are going on about when it comes to this Rose thing. Rose is not coming here to take a backseat. He's going to have a prominent role. He's the lead guard for goodness sakes. While Rose had a rough start due to the Orbital Surgery, he did start to get his game going and I suspect he's gonna come into next season raring to go in a contract year.
Melo is going to also come into next season looking to lead along with Noah and Rose. This nonsense about Rose and Melo not being up to it is crazy. The Knicks Big 3 is Rose, Melo and KP, PERIOD!!!
it's not forcing things! he's already shown he is ready for more, which translates to he's comfortable taking on more. he was a close second in rookie of the year and he ranked in the top 5 among power forwards last year. he wants the responsibility and the pressure and does not need to be coddled or brought along slowly. by doing so you are putting him behind the other two. he is a phenomenon but no-- "lets take it slow."
"we just spent 20 million dollars on a washed up player so lets make him part of our "big 3." by telling rose "it's your team because you a re the lead guard" you are actually hindering kp6's growth.
i am speaking about what we have seen while you are speaking about what we have yet to see.
KP is already a primary scorer for this team but he doesn't come into the season with a history of being the #1 option which you guys are completely missing. Rose has been an MVP and leader of his team. Melo has won a scoring title and been the #1 option on his teams. KP as talented as he is, has yet to play an entire season as the primary scoring option, PERIOD!!!Now if KP shows in camp that he's ready to take on that kind of role it will be evident to Hornacek and he can adjust things as necessary. However, there's no reason to push Rose aside as if he is just some scrub we brought in to only pass the ball. Let's not get carried away with the Rose criticisms. What we needed most was an uptempo and penetrating PG. This is something that Rose does very well to this very day. Rose will pass the ball to his fellow starters. It's simply not true that he won't pass the ball to them.
I'm not just talking to you ya know! Some of what I'm writing is directed at dk7th.
Regarding Rose the injury thing is obvious but what goes underrated is just how much he still has left. You will see just how good he stil is next season. You guys can keep TALKIN him down but you're making a huge mistake.
We all know how talented KP is. The fact remains that he has yet to show he is ready to be a #1 option. There literally no reason to thrust him into that role just yet. Let him do his thing with other teams focused on Rose and Melo! He'll be able to do lots of damage that way minus unnecessary pressure. This is a good situation that many young players don't have the luxury of having.
The suggestion that Rose is not going to be a lead option along with Melo is talking him down. He's gonna have the ball in his hands a lot and both Melo and KP will benefit from his ability to push and penetrate, which he still does at an elite level.
nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:dk7th wrote:Excellent Post. KP is clearly ready to take the next step without having to force it.nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
My optimism has NOTHING to do with my main point which is that Rose and Melo as vets with proven histories of being lead players should continue that role and let KP play off of them at least to start so that there's less pressure on KP. There is simply no reason to force things with KP. Let KP naturally take on what he's comfortable with. If he shows he is ready for more there would be no problem with letting him take it on, but no way you force it early.
I really have no idea what you ChuckBuck and dk7th are going on about when it comes to this Rose thing. Rose is not coming here to take a backseat. He's going to have a prominent role. He's the lead guard for goodness sakes. While Rose had a rough start due to the Orbital Surgery, he did start to get his game going and I suspect he's gonna come into next season raring to go in a contract year.
Melo is going to also come into next season looking to lead along with Noah and Rose. This nonsense about Rose and Melo not being up to it is crazy. The Knicks Big 3 is Rose, Melo and KP, PERIOD!!!
it's not forcing things! he's already shown he is ready for more, which translates to he's comfortable taking on more. he was a close second in rookie of the year and he ranked in the top 5 among power forwards last year. he wants the responsibility and the pressure and does not need to be coddled or brought along slowly. by doing so you are putting him behind the other two. he is a phenomenon but no-- "lets take it slow."
"we just spent 20 million dollars on a washed up player so lets make him part of our "big 3." by telling rose "it's your team because you a re the lead guard" you are actually hindering kp6's growth.
i am speaking about what we have seen while you are speaking about what we have yet to see.
KP is already a primary scorer for this team but he doesn't come into the season with a history of being the #1 option which you guys are completely missing. Rose has been an MVP and leader of his team. Melo has won a scoring title and been the #1 option on his teams. KP as talented as he is, has yet to play an entire season as the primary scoring option, PERIOD!!!Now if KP shows in camp that he's ready to take on that kind of role it will be evident to Hornacek and he can adjust things as necessary. However, there's no reason to push Rose aside as if he is just some scrub we brought in to only pass the ball. Let's not get carried away with the Rose criticisms. What we needed most was an uptempo and penetrating PG. This is something that Rose does very well to this very day. Rose will pass the ball to his fellow starters. It's simply not true that he won't pass the ball to them.
rose is a shitty passer. if your passes don't make others better then your passes are empty calories and shitty. and he is a shitty defender, one of the absolute worst in the league.
being a shitty passer and a shitty defender has a demoralizing effect on teammates.
the only thing rose *may* be sufficient at is pushing the ball in transition.
outside of pushing the ball in transition, rose should be working on making good entry passes to melo, kp6, and noah (and hernangomez if he is as advertised) to initiate the half court sets. then be a cutter. subordinate his ego to his betters. play for others instead of himself. his usage should be well below the stagnation-inducing 32% he has been indulged with. his usage should be well below 25%. the modified triangle will be primarily an inside out offense, making rose's contributions less and minimizing his negatives. we're already in the hole with him as a defender as it is.
kp6 has already shown what he can do, and going into camp he need "show/prove" nothing. the plan should be from the first second to create an offense around melo and kp6.
you know who needs to show worthiness? you know he needs to adapt? rose does.
StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:whatever man if you think thats talking him down then i dont know what to tell you. I just think you should temper expectations with Rose. Just because he isnt a elite mvp anymore doesnt mean he isnt a good player anymore.StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:How am i talking him down? I clearly said multiple times that he will HELP us. However he isnt the same player he was. Its not a knock just the facts of life. Im a diehard knick fan but i always try to be objectiveStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing any point. Ive probably played and watched just as much bball as you have. I NEVER called Rose washed up, in fact i said he will help. HOWEVER this isnt 2012 rose anymore. All those injuries have taken a toll..you would be a fool to deny that. As for KP i understand he wasnt the main option last year and in spain but that was mostly because of his age. Aftwr a successful rookie year he will be able to take the next step along side melo as our main optionsStarksEwing1 wrote:dk7th wrote:Excellent Post. KP is clearly ready to take the next step without having to force it.nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:im not missing the point at all. I know you are a very optimistic person but i think you may be expecting too much from Rose at this point. Melo and KP should be the big guns in the offenseStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:No way in hell KP is the third option. Rose isnt the same player anymore, i think he can still help us but he isnt the player he once was. Im fine if melo gets some more touches but KP should be looked at as our main weapon tooChuckBuck wrote:dk7th wrote:yeah.... no. so this moron says lets build the team around rose and melo. ha ha.garbage article with a douchebag point of view. lets hope the knicks never come close to this scenario. just horrible analysis.
next.
Totally agree with this.
Bunk ass article. In no universe should Rose nor Melo be the primary option with a God in your presence...
You guys realize that it's only logical to talk about Rose and Melo as the lead of the offensive attack? This isn't to suggest that KP won't be a primary target as well. That's why they call it a Big 3. All 3 players will be the likely leaders of this team's offense.I simply can't fathom why KNICKS FANS would be so annoyed at such a logical point made in this article. It's absurd not to recognize that Rose and Melo will be expected to carry a large portion of the load and that they would look to make things easier on KP and let him build up his game naturally rather than forcing it. The more KP shows he can handle the more he'll get to do. As the 3rd option KP will not be place at any disadvantage. If his game develops faster and he can handle more then fine.
You seem to also be missing the main point. There is simply no need to FORCE things with KP. If he develops during the course of the season into a primary option along the lines of a Dirk, then nothing is going to stop the Knicks from featuring him that way. However, that has yet to be proven. He's not starting the season off with that kind of pressure. There's no need to place that kind of pressure on him either. Let it happen naturally!!! Rose and Melo are vets and already used to that kind of pressure so let them take it and allow KP to find his game without that pressure.
My optimism has NOTHING to do with my main point which is that Rose and Melo as vets with proven histories of being lead players should continue that role and let KP play off of them at least to start so that there's less pressure on KP. There is simply no reason to force things with KP. Let KP naturally take on what he's comfortable with. If he shows he is ready for more there would be no problem with letting him take it on, but no way you force it early.
I really have no idea what you ChuckBuck and dk7th are going on about when it comes to this Rose thing. Rose is not coming here to take a backseat. He's going to have a prominent role. He's the lead guard for goodness sakes. While Rose had a rough start due to the Orbital Surgery, he did start to get his game going and I suspect he's gonna come into next season raring to go in a contract year.
Melo is going to also come into next season looking to lead along with Noah and Rose. This nonsense about Rose and Melo not being up to it is crazy. The Knicks Big 3 is Rose, Melo and KP, PERIOD!!!
it's not forcing things! he's already shown he is ready for more, which translates to he's comfortable taking on more. he was a close second in rookie of the year and he ranked in the top 5 among power forwards last year. he wants the responsibility and the pressure and does not need to be coddled or brought along slowly. by doing so you are putting him behind the other two. he is a phenomenon but no-- "lets take it slow."
"we just spent 20 million dollars on a washed up player so lets make him part of our "big 3." by telling rose "it's your team because you a re the lead guard" you are actually hindering kp6's growth.
i am speaking about what we have seen while you are speaking about what we have yet to see.
KP is already a primary scorer for this team but he doesn't come into the season with a history of being the #1 option which you guys are completely missing. Rose has been an MVP and leader of his team. Melo has won a scoring title and been the #1 option on his teams. KP as talented as he is, has yet to play an entire season as the primary scoring option, PERIOD!!!Now if KP shows in camp that he's ready to take on that kind of role it will be evident to Hornacek and he can adjust things as necessary. However, there's no reason to push Rose aside as if he is just some scrub we brought in to only pass the ball. Let's not get carried away with the Rose criticisms. What we needed most was an uptempo and penetrating PG. This is something that Rose does very well to this very day. Rose will pass the ball to his fellow starters. It's simply not true that he won't pass the ball to them.
I'm not just talking to you ya know! Some of what I'm writing is directed at dk7th.
Regarding Rose the injury thing is obvious but what goes underrated is just how much he still has left. You will see just how good he stil is next season. You guys can keep TALKIN him down but you're making a huge mistake.
We all know how talented KP is. The fact remains that he has yet to show he is ready to be a #1 option. There literally no reason to thrust him into that role just yet. Let him do his thing with other teams focused on Rose and Melo! He'll be able to do lots of damage that way minus unnecessary pressure. This is a good situation that many young players don't have the luxury of having.
The suggestion that Rose is not going to be a lead option along with Melo is talking him down. He's gonna have the ball in his hands a lot and both Melo and KP will benefit from his ability to push and penetrate, which he still does at an elite level.
WTF? How am I somehow raising expectations for Rose? Temper my expectations suggests I put some kind of outsized expectation on Rose when I did no such thing. Read what I've written and you'll see I said this team needed a PG that could push and penetrate. Rose still does that at a high level so WTF are you talking about?
Unless you've got something specific to say regarding Rose's role I don't get your point. Rose is still one of the top guards in terms of driving to the rim. He didn't lose that. He's going to do that along with running PnR for this team and that will help Melo, KP and Lee a lot.