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I am just curious what you all think of the timing of the release to coincide with the wiki-leaks release?
I mean, there are some juicy emails (which I've only briefly scanned) in there and the only thing on the news is the P word from Trumps mouth, lol.
Even if you support Hillary, do you not want reports on these emails?
Another thing that worries me, the large social media website Reddit - look at the front page of r/politics. It is just not representative of that site.
For over a month now it is just pro Hillary. To the point of mods removing anything negative against her that rises to the front page. I did a post testing
and it was attacked immediately and then pulled for a laughable reason (as are most).
There is no way that 15 of 16 posts on the front page are pro Clinton, just not mathematically possible when you look at the breakdown.
Any posts regarding the email leaks that gain traction are removed for various reasons. With Trump, everything goes.
Since this is a Pepsi or Coke race to me anyway, I'm curious, is the above 2 things, just coincidence or are things really this bad?
earthmansurfer wrote:Yeah, things certainly looking down for Trump after that release of the recording.I am just curious what you all think of the timing of the release to coincide with the wiki-leaks release?
I mean, there are some juicy emails (which I've only briefly scanned) in there and the only thing on the news is the P word from Trumps mouth, lol.
Even if you support Hillary, do you not want reports on these emails?Another thing that worries me, the large social media website Reddit - look at the front page of r/politics. It is just not representative of that site.
For over a month now it is just pro Hillary. To the point of mods removing anything negative against her that rises to the front page. I did a post testing
and it was attacked immediately and then pulled for a laughable reason (as are most).
There is no way that 15 of 16 posts on the front page are pro Clinton, just not mathematically possible when you look at the breakdown.
Any posts regarding the email leaks that gain traction are removed for various reasons. With Trump, everything goes.Since this is a Pepsi or Coke race to me anyway, I'm curious, is the above 2 things, just coincidence or are things really this bad?
Did the tape come out BEFORE the Assange release?
I know you love Assange, but it would seem that he has played himself out to some degree. Actually had to comment that he was not out to get Clinton...which tells me he sees his street cred taking a hit as it emerges that the Russians are handing him selected information.
Not impossible that Putin's people have doctored documents, either. If you know the source wants to put Trump in office, why wouldn't they take measures that go beyond the simple release of info?
There were some crazy things release by that Guccifer2.0 character...obvious fakes- who is to say that other changes have been made.
There are more tapes, by the way...one is said to be similar to...one much worse, than the one we saw.
The woman who Trump might have abused when she was 13, has also hired a well-known attorney, not the weaker one she originally had. Maybe the press finally covers this scandal.
Doubt if you support Trump...and Bernie is not going to replace Clinton, no matter what- are you one of the Berners who wants HRC destroyed and Trump elected so he destroys things and a 3rd party will rise from the ashes at some point?
Clinton is far from perfect, but she is infinitely more qualified than Trump for the job, this is not a debateable issue, and given his attempted stunt at the last debate, and his decision to run against Bill Clinton (who he supported during his problem years)and not HRC, it is quite evident that he is having some kind of breakdown (snort related?)as a candidate.
earthmansurfer wrote:Yeah, things certainly looking down for Trump after that release of the recording.I am just curious what you all think of the timing of the release to coincide with the wiki-leaks release?
I mean, there are some juicy emails (which I've only briefly scanned) in there and the only thing on the news is the P word from Trumps mouth, lol.
Even if you support Hillary, do you not want reports on these emails?Another thing that worries me, the large social media website Reddit - look at the front page of r/politics. It is just not representative of that site.
For over a month now it is just pro Hillary. To the point of mods removing anything negative against her that rises to the front page. I did a post testing
and it was attacked immediately and then pulled for a laughable reason (as are most).
There is no way that 15 of 16 posts on the front page are pro Clinton, just not mathematically possible when you look at the breakdown.
Any posts regarding the email leaks that gain traction are removed for various reasons. With Trump, everything goes.Since this is a Pepsi or Coke race to me anyway, I'm curious, is the above 2 things, just coincidence or are things really this bad?
When you have Hilary and Trump in a 2 person race, I am 110% behind Hilary. As a stand alone politician, I have my hesitations about her, but those hesitations are by no means even in the same universe as what most expect. Side note: I have a few friends who work in the State Department who have both worked closely with Hilary and semi-closely with her, so I have that perspective. The biggest feedback I got was that she was a hard working mutha fucka and a bad ass woman who has been molded by everything we have seen in the public with her own personality (i.e. her early civic duty work and the normal paranoia of being scrutinized waaaaaayyyy too much).
I would LOVE reports on those emails, but I also think they are waaaaaaayyyyyy overblown and amount to very little. I've tried to read as much as I can on the new dumps - reports on the emails, not actually readying the emails myself (just don't have the time) - and I can't even seem to find anything that is remotely interesting. There is no there there.
And it's been that way with other topics, Benghazi especially. Even the private email thing seems like a side note to me (a yellow flag versus a red flag). All of these are mere fishing expeditions that everyone against Hilary are pursuing because it is her and not founded on real suspicions of wrongdoing. If any other politician was put through the same type of scrutiny, they would fail miserably. Every one of them. If most any PERSON was put through that same scrutiny, both red and yellow flags would pop up all over the place.
As an example of this: The whole of the RNC during the George Bush presidency was on their own private email server. 22 MILLION emails were deleted from public record. These are not private emails between private citizens, there are public gov't records that were deleted. Over an 8 year timeframe. What did that amount to? Pretty much nada. Investigations? People in jail? What's going on?
Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice both used private emails for their gov't communication. So let's take Hilary's email use into that perspective.
What we are starting to see is the correction on the part of the media and other places that are righting a ship that has long gone off track.
earthmansurfer wrote:I am just curious what you all think of the timing of the release to coincide with the wiki-leaks release?
I mean, there are some juicy emails (which I've only briefly scanned) in there and the only thing on the news is the P word from Trumps mouth, lol.
Even if you support Hillary, do you not want reports on these emails?
I'll give you an honest answer. Hillary Clinton is a very flawed candidate, and she should be subject to the laws of the land, now and after she's president. And if anything disqualifying comes out from the leaks (and I won't even get into the source of the leaks and Trump's off avoidance of it, but I'd think someone of your worldview would be highly interested), they'll get the attention they deserve.
But Trump is simply so all-encompassingly unqualified for the job, I do find understandable he's sucking up all the media oxygen at the moment.
And by taking the stance he is on the tapes, and by choosing to go to war with the party he represents, he's the chief-enabler of this.
It is difficult to take serious the notion of conspiracy to dominate the news discourse when it is HE who is leading the charge. As always, conspiracy theories all eventually collapse under the weight of their own logic.
On that note, again, the key when going down a rabbit hole is to go all the way through the rabbit hole.
There are two logical conclusions to reach if you prescribe to the theory the tapes were leaked specifically to combat the wiki leaks release.
One is, this will be the last big Clinton oppo story and the worst of the wiki leaks were already out, so the democrats/liberal media dropped their big bomb to take it off the table.
The other is in anticipation of more Clinton oppo stories over the remaining 4 weeks, democrats/liberals are sitting on a draw full of this stuff.
Is it possible the Post got the tape on the day for that reason and all we've learned about the days leading up to it are false
Possible, but what's the smoking gun there? That the campaign was prepared and strategic?
Hmmmm, okay...
And?
Another thing that worries me, the large social media website Reddit - look at the front page of r/politics. It is just not representative of that site.
For over a month now it is just pro Hillary. To the point of mods removing anything negative against her that rises to the front page. I did a post testing
and it was attacked immediately and then pulled for a laughable reason (as are most).
There is no way that 15 of 16 posts on the front page are pro Clinton, just not mathematically possible when you look at the breakdown.
Any posts regarding the email leaks that gain traction are removed for various reasons. With Trump, everything goes.Since this is a Pepsi or Coke race to me anyway, I'm curious, is the above 2 things, just coincidence or are things really this bad?
Again, follow your own chain of logic.
Are you REALLY suggesting somehow anti-Clinton rhetoric is difficult to find? If you don't know where to look at the moment, I'd be happy to direct you to where you can find it.
But since it's there, what is the strategic benefit of some unknown entity stifling ONE source?
One needs to again, follow the chain of logic and look at the big picture or one just demonstrates their own confirmation bias.
Trump has not concept of the constitution and yet he would have to swear an oath to uphold it.
Trump has not concept of the constitution and yet he would have to swear an oath to uphold it.
BRIGGS wrote:Anyone who didn't know what they were getting into with D Trump had eyes closed. Look at my posts I know full well he is a narcissistic obnoxious boisterous person. I do not agree with some of the more aggressive outlandish stances but I do agree with half or partial types of agreements. The guy had cahones and vision-- just to extreme but those things get negotiated out. To vote for Hillary Clinton is voting to agree to accept a person who is obviously corrupt a fake of enormous magnitude a terrible choice as first female potus a person who has been in top level government for 30 years. I mean a Bush or a Clinton will have been President for most of the life we have lived. I think the US has gone in the wrong direction for a long time. We owe a lot of money I feel our military and morale is weak we have problems on multiple fronts I'm not a Donald Trump lover but I do not agree with having Hillary Clinton as president . I think I'm free to believe what I think is in the best interests of everyone even if the choice is fatally flawed
Even if Trump had the most forward thinking platform in this election, the man is batshit crazy Briggs. Im not saying you should vote for Hillary, just dont kid yourself into thinking that this man is playing with a full deck.
BRIGGS wrote:Anyone who didn't know what they were getting into with D Trump had eyes closed. Look at my posts I know full well he is a narcissistic obnoxious boisterous person. I do not agree with some of the more aggressive outlandish stances but I do agree with half or partial types of agreements. The guy had cahones and vision-- just to extreme but those things get negotiated out.
What you won't do, however, Briggs, is actually engage in a dialogue in which you'll actually explain your viewpoints in anything other than broad platitudes.
In the first post of this thread, you said you think he'd negotiate (that word again) deals with minorities.
What does that even mean?
Can you articulate one actual honest-to-goodness policy you understand Trump will prioritize that you agree with?
One..?
I think I'm free to believe what I think is in the best interests of everyone even if the choice is fatally flawed
Of course you are, who has argued otherwise.
What has only been further illustrated since your OP and he is demonstrating in stark detail TODAY in fact that his is a authoritarian worldview. The governor of Maine has illustrated that for us (in what he thinks is Trump's defense).
He believes in retribution to however doesn't fall in line behind him. Nobody is safe. Not even people in this own political party. Today he's publicly battling the Speaker of the House, the most powerful person in the Legislative branch that serves as a check to the executive branch.
He is making it perfectly clear because Ryan is using the freedom you enjoy to believe what he thinks is in the best interest of everyone, that Trump will use any power at his disposal to punish him for it.
He attacks everyone and anyone who opposes him, despite the slightest of slights. He could not let Alicia Machado go without trying to punish her.
I don't know how anyone misses this quite obvious pathology unless like the governor of Maine, this pathology appeals to you.
GustavBahler wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Anyone who didn't know what they were getting into with D Trump had eyes closed. Look at my posts I know full well he is a narcissistic obnoxious boisterous person. I do not agree with some of the more aggressive outlandish stances but I do agree with half or partial types of agreements. The guy had cahones and vision-- just to extreme but those things get negotiated out. To vote for Hillary Clinton is voting to agree to accept a person who is obviously corrupt a fake of enormous magnitude a terrible choice as first female potus a person who has been in top level government for 30 years. I mean a Bush or a Clinton will have been President for most of the life we have lived. I think the US has gone in the wrong direction for a long time. We owe a lot of money I feel our military and morale is weak we have problems on multiple fronts I'm not a Donald Trump lover but I do not agree with having Hillary Clinton as president . I think I'm free to believe what I think is in the best interests of everyone even if the choice is fatally flawedEven if Trump had the most forward thinking platform in this election, the man is batshit crazy Briggs. Im not saying you should vote for Hillary, just dont kid yourself into thinking that this man is playing with a full deck.
Sorry, but what is forward thinking about Trump's platform??
holfresh wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Anyone who didn't know what they were getting into with D Trump had eyes closed. Look at my posts I know full well he is a narcissistic obnoxious boisterous person. I do not agree with some of the more aggressive outlandish stances but I do agree with half or partial types of agreements. The guy had cahones and vision-- just to extreme but those things get negotiated out. To vote for Hillary Clinton is voting to agree to accept a person who is obviously corrupt a fake of enormous magnitude a terrible choice as first female potus a person who has been in top level government for 30 years. I mean a Bush or a Clinton will have been President for most of the life we have lived. I think the US has gone in the wrong direction for a long time. We owe a lot of money I feel our military and morale is weak we have problems on multiple fronts I'm not a Donald Trump lover but I do not agree with having Hillary Clinton as president . I think I'm free to believe what I think is in the best interests of everyone even if the choice is fatally flawedEven if Trump had the most forward thinking platform in this election, the man is batshit crazy Briggs. Im not saying you should vote for Hillary, just dont kid yourself into thinking that this man is playing with a full deck.
Sorry, but what is forward thinking about Trump's platform??
GustavBahler wrote:Even if Trump had the most forward thinking platform in this election, the man is batshit crazy Briggs. Im not saying you should vote for Hillary, just dont kid yourself into thinking that this man is playing with a full deck.
martin wrote:Hilary in a landslide.
You are starting to sound like Score Bot 
BRIGGS wrote:Anyone who didn't know what they were getting into with D Trump had eyes closed. Look at my posts I know full well he is a narcissistic obnoxious boisterous person. I do not agree with some of the more aggressive outlandish stances but I do agree with half or partial types of agreements. The guy had cahones and vision-- just to extreme but those things get negotiated out. To vote for Hillary Clinton is voting to agree to accept a person who is obviously corrupt a fake of enormous magnitude a terrible choice as first female potus a person who has been in top level government for 30 years. I mean a Bush or a Clinton will have been President for most of the life we have lived. I think the US has gone in the wrong direction for a long time. We owe a lot of money I feel our military and morale is weak we have problems on multiple fronts I'm not a Donald Trump lover but I do not agree with having Hillary Clinton as president . I think I'm free to believe what I think is in the best interests of everyone even if the choice is fatally flawed
You forgot
Racist -
Birther in Chief
Still hasn't admitted he was wrong about the central park 5. Quick to take out a full-page ad - but refuses to admit he was wrong even in the face of a confession and DNA evidence
Fined multiple times for not renting to people of color
...
Misogynist
Caught on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women.
His words match up very closely with what multiple women have accused him of.
100s of quote and tweets publicly humiliating women because they didn't meet his beauty standards.
...
Flip Flopping
Abortion
Iraq
Nuclear proliferation
...
Litigious
3500 lawsuits
Wants to weaken the first amendment so he can sue newspaper's for stories he doesn't like.
Is threatening to sue the opposition for political ads (That funnily enough are based on quotes right from the horse (asses) mouth )
Hypocrite
Campaigns based on illegal immigrants taking jobs - but was fined for hiring illegal immigrants to build his buildings (and under paying them).
Is on tape calling Paula Jones a loser and defending Bill Clinton. Now Hillary is horrible for defending her Husband.
Is for the working guy - but has a long history of stiffing them out of pay.
...
I don't have the time but you can add
Lying, Ignorant, immature.
Please elaborate on Trumps Vision - he is an incoherent mess. His only skill is self-promotion.
OldFan wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Anyone who didn't know what they were getting into with D Trump had eyes closed. Look at my posts I know full well he is a narcissistic obnoxious boisterous person. I do not agree with some of the more aggressive outlandish stances but I do agree with half or partial types of agreements. The guy had cahones and vision-- just to extreme but those things get negotiated out. To vote for Hillary Clinton is voting to agree to accept a person who is obviously corrupt a fake of enormous magnitude a terrible choice as first female potus a person who has been in top level government for 30 years. I mean a Bush or a Clinton will have been President for most of the life we have lived. I think the US has gone in the wrong direction for a long time. We owe a lot of money I feel our military and morale is weak we have problems on multiple fronts I'm not a Donald Trump lover but I do not agree with having Hillary Clinton as president . I think I'm free to believe what I think is in the best interests of everyone even if the choice is fatally flawedYou forgot
Racist -
Birther in Chief
Still hasn't admitted he was wrong about the central park 5. Quick to take out a full-page ad - but refuses to admit he was wrong even in the face of a confession and DNA evidence
Fined multiple times for not renting to people of color
...
MisogynistCaught on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women.
His words match up very closely with what multiple women have accused him of.
100s of quote and tweets publicly humiliating women because they didn't meet his beauty standards.
...
Flip Flopping
Abortion
Iraq
Nuclear proliferation
...
Litigious
3500 lawsuits
Wants to weaken the first amendment so he can sue newspaper's for stories he doesn't like.
Is threatening to sue the opposition for political ads (That funnily enough are based on quotes right from the horse (asses) mouth )
Hypocrite
Campaigns based on illegal immigrants taking jobs - but was fined for hiring illegal immigrants to build his buildings (and under paying them).
Is on tape calling Paula Jones a loser and defending Bill Clinton. Now Hillary is horrible for defending her Husband.
Is for the working guy - but has a long history of stiffing them out of pay....
I don't have the time but you can add
Lying, Ignorant, immature.Please elaborate on Trumps Vision - he is an incoherent mess. His only skill is self-promotion.
Bump...
holfresh wrote:Russia and the Syria Army(Assad) have been committing atrocities against civilians in Syria and continues to do so..Think tanks and former military people are saying war crimes have been and are being committed...Trump against his running mate, the US government and most Western governments have stated Russia and Syria actually fight ISIS...He is defending Putin and Assad..This is Iran's position as well...I'm speechless...
Did you know that the so called "moderates" that our govt. is supporting in this war are Al Qaeda?
Not a conspiracy theory, this is common knowledge.
GustavBahler wrote:holfresh wrote:Russia and the Syria Army(Assad) have been committing atrocities against civilians in Syria and continues to do so..Think tanks and former military people are saying war crimes have been and are being committed...Trump against his running mate, the US government and most Western governments have stated Russia and Syria actually fight ISIS...He is defending Putin and Assad..This is Iran's position as well...I'm speechless...Did you know that the so called "moderates" that our govt. is supporting in this war are Al Qaeda?
Not a conspiracy theory, this is common knowledge.
No..I do know that any group you support against the regime have affiliates..Obama was mocked for only having 5 trained rebels on the ground in Syria up to a year ago...One of the groups they support is said to be affiliated with Al Qaeda...No option in that region is a good option...I don't think we have the luxury of not being involved in some manner...
holfresh wrote:GustavBahler wrote:holfresh wrote:Russia and the Syria Army(Assad) have been committing atrocities against civilians in Syria and continues to do so..Think tanks and former military people are saying war crimes have been and are being committed...Trump against his running mate, the US government and most Western governments have stated Russia and Syria actually fight ISIS...He is defending Putin and Assad..This is Iran's position as well...I'm speechless...Did you know that the so called "moderates" that our govt. is supporting in this war are Al Qaeda?
Not a conspiracy theory, this is common knowledge.No..I do know that any group you support against the regime have affiliates..Obama was mocked for only having 5 trained rebels on the ground in Syria up to a year ago...One of the groups they support is said to be affiliated with Al Qaeda...No option in that region is a good option...I don't think we have the luxury of not being involved in some manner...
Leaves a bad taste in my mouth. More importantly, Syria isn't worth a full blown war with Russia, which is exactly where we are headed. Syria and Russia were joined at the hip during the cold war and we were none the worse for wear. All these machinations are doing is putting us on a collision course with Russia, egged on mostly by people too old to care about the ramifications.