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BRIGGS wrote:Trump now leading in 4 key battle grounds--it will be all over by next week. She has no ammo left --shot it all.

She doesn't need ammo, she needs Trump to open his mouth, rest will take care of itself.

DrAlphaeus wrote:Keep eating Vaseline, buddy. It will make the crow go down easier.

LOL

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

My opinion is Trump is a shit show blowhard charlatan. Hell, a year ago you said you didn't trust him with the nuclear codes and wouldn't vote for him. So you can see my side as well, just remember your own words.

But yes, I told myself that I wouldn't vote for any politician who voted for the Iraq War resolution. So that would include Clinton and Schumer. And all this DNC shadiness and the bank speeches... let alone all this recent nonsense. Classic Clinton Coverup Worse Than the Crime Third Way realpolitik bullshit. Very disheartening.

If I vote, it's WFP for Uncle Bernie. Maybe the Green candidate for Senate. Funny I looked at the electors for Clinton — since that's who we really vote for. Bill Clinton and Cuomo at the top of the Elector list. Ugh.

It's nice to have ideals and live by principles but there are more important things riding on this election...The Supreme Court is on the ballot, campaign finance reform is on the ballot, gun reform is on the ballot, a woman's right to choose is on the ballot, War with Iran is on the ballot, Holding Cuba to different standards than we hold China is on the ballot, Crime Bill reform where minorities get stiffer sentences than their white counterparts are on the ballot, black lives matters is on the ballot, Guiliani's principles of policing is on the ballot..I can go on...

More important things than living by principles... heh I guess so! The way of the world.

But I'm in a safe state, where my vote either way or me staying home isn't going to amount to anything. It is statistically useless.

Don't fall for that partisan ruse, there's nothing more important than living by your principles. I am not in a safe state, I live in OHIO and I am not voting for these losers. Clinton has had more than a year to come clean on all these issues and she didn't. Lack of transparency is usually indicative of something to hide. I honestly don't care what it is, I don't think she is an honest and upstanding citizen. And Trump is a scumbag.

What do your principles prefer about the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next 20-50 years?

My principles clearly witnessed what republican obstructionism does for SC nominees and they are not interested in right wing slime being nominated under centrist guise.

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

My opinion is Trump is a shit show blowhard charlatan. Hell, a year ago you said you didn't trust him with the nuclear codes and wouldn't vote for him. So you can see my side as well, just remember your own words.

But yes, I told myself that I wouldn't vote for any politician who voted for the Iraq War resolution. So that would include Clinton and Schumer. And all this DNC shadiness and the bank speeches... let alone all this recent nonsense. Classic Clinton Coverup Worse Than the Crime Third Way realpolitik bullshit. Very disheartening.

If I vote, it's WFP for Uncle Bernie. Maybe the Green candidate for Senate. Funny I looked at the electors for Clinton — since that's who we really vote for. Bill Clinton and Cuomo at the top of the Elector list. Ugh.

It's nice to have ideals and live by principles but there are more important things riding on this election...The Supreme Court is on the ballot, campaign finance reform is on the ballot, gun reform is on the ballot, a woman's right to choose is on the ballot, War with Iran is on the ballot, Holding Cuba to different standards than we hold China is on the ballot, Crime Bill reform where minorities get stiffer sentences than their white counterparts are on the ballot, black lives matters is on the ballot, Guiliani's principles of policing is on the ballot..I can go on...

More important things than living by principles... heh I guess so! The way of the world.

But I'm in a safe state, where my vote either way or me staying home isn't going to amount to anything. It is statistically useless.

Don't fall for that partisan ruse, there's nothing more important than living by your principles. I am not in a safe state, I live in OHIO and I am not voting for these losers. Clinton has had more than a year to come clean on all these issues and she didn't. Lack of transparency is usually indicative of something to hide. I honestly don't care what it is, I don't think she is an honest and upstanding citizen. And Trump is a scumbag.

What do your principles prefer about the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next 20-50 years?

My principles clearly witnessed what republican obstructionism does for SC nominees and they are not interested in right wing slime being nominated under centrist guise.

Fair enough. But you'd rather Trump got to nominate? In a swing state, your vote might actually matter (not like the rest of us).

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

My opinion is Trump is a shit show blowhard charlatan. Hell, a year ago you said you didn't trust him with the nuclear codes and wouldn't vote for him. So you can see my side as well, just remember your own words.

But yes, I told myself that I wouldn't vote for any politician who voted for the Iraq War resolution. So that would include Clinton and Schumer. And all this DNC shadiness and the bank speeches... let alone all this recent nonsense. Classic Clinton Coverup Worse Than the Crime Third Way realpolitik bullshit. Very disheartening.

If I vote, it's WFP for Uncle Bernie. Maybe the Green candidate for Senate. Funny I looked at the electors for Clinton — since that's who we really vote for. Bill Clinton and Cuomo at the top of the Elector list. Ugh.

It's nice to have ideals and live by principles but there are more important things riding on this election...The Supreme Court is on the ballot, campaign finance reform is on the ballot, gun reform is on the ballot, a woman's right to choose is on the ballot, War with Iran is on the ballot, Holding Cuba to different standards than we hold China is on the ballot, Crime Bill reform where minorities get stiffer sentences than their white counterparts are on the ballot, black lives matters is on the ballot, Guiliani's principles of policing is on the ballot..I can go on...

More important things than living by principles... heh I guess so! The way of the world.

But I'm in a safe state, where my vote either way or me staying home isn't going to amount to anything. It is statistically useless.

Don't fall for that partisan ruse, there's nothing more important than living by your principles. I am not in a safe state, I live in OHIO and I am not voting for these losers. Clinton has had more than a year to come clean on all these issues and she didn't. Lack of transparency is usually indicative of something to hide. I honestly don't care what it is, I don't think she is an honest and upstanding citizen. And Trump is a scumbag.

What do your principles prefer about the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next 20-50 years?

My principles clearly witnessed what republican obstructionism does for SC nominees and they are not interested in right wing slime being nominated under centrist guise.

Fair enough. But you'd rather Trump got to nominate? In a swing state, your vote might actually matter (not like the rest of us).

Yeah exactly.
Not everyone here is in NY though. I'm in PA. We have an important Senate race too.

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

My opinion is Trump is a shit show blowhard charlatan. Hell, a year ago you said you didn't trust him with the nuclear codes and wouldn't vote for him. So you can see my side as well, just remember your own words.

But yes, I told myself that I wouldn't vote for any politician who voted for the Iraq War resolution. So that would include Clinton and Schumer. And all this DNC shadiness and the bank speeches... let alone all this recent nonsense. Classic Clinton Coverup Worse Than the Crime Third Way realpolitik bullshit. Very disheartening.

If I vote, it's WFP for Uncle Bernie. Maybe the Green candidate for Senate. Funny I looked at the electors for Clinton — since that's who we really vote for. Bill Clinton and Cuomo at the top of the Elector list. Ugh.

It's nice to have ideals and live by principles but there are more important things riding on this election...The Supreme Court is on the ballot, campaign finance reform is on the ballot, gun reform is on the ballot, a woman's right to choose is on the ballot, War with Iran is on the ballot, Holding Cuba to different standards than we hold China is on the ballot, Crime Bill reform where minorities get stiffer sentences than their white counterparts are on the ballot, black lives matters is on the ballot, Guiliani's principles of policing is on the ballot..I can go on...

More important things than living by principles... heh I guess so! The way of the world.

But I'm in a safe state, where my vote either way or me staying home isn't going to amount to anything. It is statistically useless.

Don't fall for that partisan ruse, there's nothing more important than living by your principles. I am not in a safe state, I live in OHIO and I am not voting for these losers. Clinton has had more than a year to come clean on all these issues and she didn't. Lack of transparency is usually indicative of something to hide. I honestly don't care what it is, I don't think she is an honest and upstanding citizen. And Trump is a scumbag.

What do your principles prefer about the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next 20-50 years?

My principles clearly witnessed what republican obstructionism does for SC nominees and they are not interested in right wing slime being nominated under centrist guise.

Fair enough. But you'd rather Trump got to nominate? In a swing state, your vote might actually matter (not like the rest of us).

No I wouldn't rather have Trump win, but in a democracy my job is to elect the best candidate not defeat the worst. In this election there is no best candidate. If people who keep professing disenchantment with establishment politics put their vote where their mouth is, Jill Stein would be president. READ how many posts on this thread starts with the premise that both candidates have flaws and then explains why for blah blah reason one is better than the other. This exactly why we don't have a democracy any more, no matter who wins we are screwed.

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

My opinion is Trump is a shit show blowhard charlatan. Hell, a year ago you said you didn't trust him with the nuclear codes and wouldn't vote for him. So you can see my side as well, just remember your own words.

But yes, I told myself that I wouldn't vote for any politician who voted for the Iraq War resolution. So that would include Clinton and Schumer. And all this DNC shadiness and the bank speeches... let alone all this recent nonsense. Classic Clinton Coverup Worse Than the Crime Third Way realpolitik bullshit. Very disheartening.

If I vote, it's WFP for Uncle Bernie. Maybe the Green candidate for Senate. Funny I looked at the electors for Clinton — since that's who we really vote for. Bill Clinton and Cuomo at the top of the Elector list. Ugh.

It's nice to have ideals and live by principles but there are more important things riding on this election...The Supreme Court is on the ballot, campaign finance reform is on the ballot, gun reform is on the ballot, a woman's right to choose is on the ballot, War with Iran is on the ballot, Holding Cuba to different standards than we hold China is on the ballot, Crime Bill reform where minorities get stiffer sentences than their white counterparts are on the ballot, black lives matters is on the ballot, Guiliani's principles of policing is on the ballot..I can go on...

More important things than living by principles... heh I guess so! The way of the world.

But I'm in a safe state, where my vote either way or me staying home isn't going to amount to anything. It is statistically useless.

Don't fall for that partisan ruse, there's nothing more important than living by your principles. I am not in a safe state, I live in OHIO and I am not voting for these losers. Clinton has had more than a year to come clean on all these issues and she didn't. Lack of transparency is usually indicative of something to hide. I honestly don't care what it is, I don't think she is an honest and upstanding citizen. And Trump is a scumbag.

What do your principles prefer about the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next 20-50 years?

My principles clearly witnessed what republican obstructionism does for SC nominees and they are not interested in right wing slime being nominated under centrist guise.

Fair enough. But you'd rather Trump got to nominate? In a swing state, your vote might actually matter (not like the rest of us).

No I wouldn't rather have Trump win, but in a democracy my job is to elect the best candidate not defeat the worst. In this election there is no best candidate. If people who keep professing disenchantment with establishment politics put their vote where their mouth is, Jill Stein would be president. READ how many posts on this thread starts with the premise that both candidates have flaws and then explains why for blah blah reason one is better than the other. This exactly why we don't have a democracy any more, no matter who wins we are screwed.

Or if Jill Stein had been dissected by the media and Republicans for the past 25 years, maybe we'd see her as awful too.

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

My opinion is Trump is a shit show blowhard charlatan. Hell, a year ago you said you didn't trust him with the nuclear codes and wouldn't vote for him. So you can see my side as well, just remember your own words.

But yes, I told myself that I wouldn't vote for any politician who voted for the Iraq War resolution. So that would include Clinton and Schumer. And all this DNC shadiness and the bank speeches... let alone all this recent nonsense. Classic Clinton Coverup Worse Than the Crime Third Way realpolitik bullshit. Very disheartening.

If I vote, it's WFP for Uncle Bernie. Maybe the Green candidate for Senate. Funny I looked at the electors for Clinton — since that's who we really vote for. Bill Clinton and Cuomo at the top of the Elector list. Ugh.

It's nice to have ideals and live by principles but there are more important things riding on this election...The Supreme Court is on the ballot, campaign finance reform is on the ballot, gun reform is on the ballot, a woman's right to choose is on the ballot, War with Iran is on the ballot, Holding Cuba to different standards than we hold China is on the ballot, Crime Bill reform where minorities get stiffer sentences than their white counterparts are on the ballot, black lives matters is on the ballot, Guiliani's principles of policing is on the ballot..I can go on...

More important things than living by principles... heh I guess so! The way of the world.

But I'm in a safe state, where my vote either way or me staying home isn't going to amount to anything. It is statistically useless.

Don't fall for that partisan ruse, there's nothing more important than living by your principles. I am not in a safe state, I live in OHIO and I am not voting for these losers. Clinton has had more than a year to come clean on all these issues and she didn't. Lack of transparency is usually indicative of something to hide. I honestly don't care what it is, I don't think she is an honest and upstanding citizen. And Trump is a scumbag.

What do your principles prefer about the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next 20-50 years?

My principles clearly witnessed what republican obstructionism does for SC nominees and they are not interested in right wing slime being nominated under centrist guise.

Fair enough. But you'd rather Trump got to nominate? In a swing state, your vote might actually matter (not like the rest of us).

No I wouldn't rather have Trump win, but in a democracy my job is to elect the best candidate not defeat the worst. In this election there is no best candidate. If people who keep professing disenchantment with establishment politics put their vote where their mouth is, Jill Stein would be president. READ how many posts on this thread starts with the premise that both candidates have flaws and then explains why for blah blah reason one is better than the other. This exactly why we don't have a democracy any more, no matter who wins we are screwed.

I'll probably vote for Stein myself. I have that luxury in a safe state. But I'll throw up a bit in my mouth to cast a vote for an anti-vaxer. But in a swing state, I'd have to disagree with your assessment about what your job is in a democracy. Electing the best candidate is the ideal, but not handing over the court to the extreme right for decades to come, with all the harm that that entails to the nation, is, imo, a far more important job. In your shoes/state, I'd vote for Clinton.

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

My opinion is Trump is a shit show blowhard charlatan. Hell, a year ago you said you didn't trust him with the nuclear codes and wouldn't vote for him. So you can see my side as well, just remember your own words.

But yes, I told myself that I wouldn't vote for any politician who voted for the Iraq War resolution. So that would include Clinton and Schumer. And all this DNC shadiness and the bank speeches... let alone all this recent nonsense. Classic Clinton Coverup Worse Than the Crime Third Way realpolitik bullshit. Very disheartening.

If I vote, it's WFP for Uncle Bernie. Maybe the Green candidate for Senate. Funny I looked at the electors for Clinton — since that's who we really vote for. Bill Clinton and Cuomo at the top of the Elector list. Ugh.

It's nice to have ideals and live by principles but there are more important things riding on this election...The Supreme Court is on the ballot, campaign finance reform is on the ballot, gun reform is on the ballot, a woman's right to choose is on the ballot, War with Iran is on the ballot, Holding Cuba to different standards than we hold China is on the ballot, Crime Bill reform where minorities get stiffer sentences than their white counterparts are on the ballot, black lives matters is on the ballot, Guiliani's principles of policing is on the ballot..I can go on...

More important things than living by principles... heh I guess so! The way of the world.

But I'm in a safe state, where my vote either way or me staying home isn't going to amount to anything. It is statistically useless.

Don't fall for that partisan ruse, there's nothing more important than living by your principles. I am not in a safe state, I live in OHIO and I am not voting for these losers. Clinton has had more than a year to come clean on all these issues and she didn't. Lack of transparency is usually indicative of something to hide. I honestly don't care what it is, I don't think she is an honest and upstanding citizen. And Trump is a scumbag.

What do your principles prefer about the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next 20-50 years?

My principles clearly witnessed what republican obstructionism does for SC nominees and they are not interested in right wing slime being nominated under centrist guise.

Fair enough. But you'd rather Trump got to nominate? In a swing state, your vote might actually matter (not like the rest of us).

No I wouldn't rather have Trump win, but in a democracy my job is to elect the best candidate not defeat the worst. In this election there is no best candidate. If people who keep professing disenchantment with establishment politics put their vote where their mouth is, Jill Stein would be president. READ how many posts on this thread starts with the premise that both candidates have flaws and then explains why for blah blah reason one is better than the other. This exactly why we don't have a democracy any more, no matter who wins we are screwed.

Or if Jill Stein had been dissected by the media and Republicans for the past 25 years, maybe we'd see her as awful too.

yeah because every democrat that runs is a saint and those "evil media and republicans" besmirches their pristine reputations... gimme a break.

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

My opinion is Trump is a shit show blowhard charlatan. Hell, a year ago you said you didn't trust him with the nuclear codes and wouldn't vote for him. So you can see my side as well, just remember your own words.

But yes, I told myself that I wouldn't vote for any politician who voted for the Iraq War resolution. So that would include Clinton and Schumer. And all this DNC shadiness and the bank speeches... let alone all this recent nonsense. Classic Clinton Coverup Worse Than the Crime Third Way realpolitik bullshit. Very disheartening.

If I vote, it's WFP for Uncle Bernie. Maybe the Green candidate for Senate. Funny I looked at the electors for Clinton — since that's who we really vote for. Bill Clinton and Cuomo at the top of the Elector list. Ugh.

It's nice to have ideals and live by principles but there are more important things riding on this election...The Supreme Court is on the ballot, campaign finance reform is on the ballot, gun reform is on the ballot, a woman's right to choose is on the ballot, War with Iran is on the ballot, Holding Cuba to different standards than we hold China is on the ballot, Crime Bill reform where minorities get stiffer sentences than their white counterparts are on the ballot, black lives matters is on the ballot, Guiliani's principles of policing is on the ballot..I can go on...

More important things than living by principles... heh I guess so! The way of the world.

But I'm in a safe state, where my vote either way or me staying home isn't going to amount to anything. It is statistically useless.

Don't fall for that partisan ruse, there's nothing more important than living by your principles. I am not in a safe state, I live in OHIO and I am not voting for these losers. Clinton has had more than a year to come clean on all these issues and she didn't. Lack of transparency is usually indicative of something to hide. I honestly don't care what it is, I don't think she is an honest and upstanding citizen. And Trump is a scumbag.

What do your principles prefer about the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next 20-50 years?

My principles clearly witnessed what republican obstructionism does for SC nominees and they are not interested in right wing slime being nominated under centrist guise.

Fair enough. But you'd rather Trump got to nominate? In a swing state, your vote might actually matter (not like the rest of us).

No I wouldn't rather have Trump win, but in a democracy my job is to elect the best candidate not defeat the worst. In this election there is no best candidate. If people who keep professing disenchantment with establishment politics put their vote where their mouth is, Jill Stein would be president. READ how many posts on this thread starts with the premise that both candidates have flaws and then explains why for blah blah reason one is better than the other. This exactly why we don't have a democracy any more, no matter who wins we are screwed.

I'll probably vote for Stein myself. I have that luxury in a safe state. But I'll throw up a bit in my mouth to cast a vote for an anti-vaxer. But in a swing state, I'd have to disagree with your assessment about what your job is in a democracy. Electing the best candidate is the ideal, but not handing over the court to the extreme right for decades to come, with all the harm that that entails to the nation, is, imo, a far more important job. In your shoes/state, I'd vote for Clinton.

Fair enough, I appreciate your position. I agree my position is more idealistic than practical, but I am comfortable with that.

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

My opinion is Trump is a shit show blowhard charlatan. Hell, a year ago you said you didn't trust him with the nuclear codes and wouldn't vote for him. So you can see my side as well, just remember your own words.

But yes, I told myself that I wouldn't vote for any politician who voted for the Iraq War resolution. So that would include Clinton and Schumer. And all this DNC shadiness and the bank speeches... let alone all this recent nonsense. Classic Clinton Coverup Worse Than the Crime Third Way realpolitik bullshit. Very disheartening.

If I vote, it's WFP for Uncle Bernie. Maybe the Green candidate for Senate. Funny I looked at the electors for Clinton — since that's who we really vote for. Bill Clinton and Cuomo at the top of the Elector list. Ugh.

It's nice to have ideals and live by principles but there are more important things riding on this election...The Supreme Court is on the ballot, campaign finance reform is on the ballot, gun reform is on the ballot, a woman's right to choose is on the ballot, War with Iran is on the ballot, Holding Cuba to different standards than we hold China is on the ballot, Crime Bill reform where minorities get stiffer sentences than their white counterparts are on the ballot, black lives matters is on the ballot, Guiliani's principles of policing is on the ballot..I can go on...

More important things than living by principles... heh I guess so! The way of the world.

But I'm in a safe state, where my vote either way or me staying home isn't going to amount to anything. It is statistically useless.

Don't fall for that partisan ruse, there's nothing more important than living by your principles. I am not in a safe state, I live in OHIO and I am not voting for these losers. Clinton has had more than a year to come clean on all these issues and she didn't. Lack of transparency is usually indicative of something to hide. I honestly don't care what it is, I don't think she is an honest and upstanding citizen. And Trump is a scumbag.

What do your principles prefer about the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next 20-50 years?

My principles clearly witnessed what republican obstructionism does for SC nominees and they are not interested in right wing slime being nominated under centrist guise.

Fair enough. But you'd rather Trump got to nominate? In a swing state, your vote might actually matter (not like the rest of us).

No I wouldn't rather have Trump win, but in a democracy my job is to elect the best candidate not defeat the worst. In this election there is no best candidate. If people who keep professing disenchantment with establishment politics put their vote where their mouth is, Jill Stein would be president. READ how many posts on this thread starts with the premise that both candidates have flaws and then explains why for blah blah reason one is better than the other. This exactly why we don't have a democracy any more, no matter who wins we are screwed.

Or if Jill Stein had been dissected by the media and Republicans for the past 25 years, maybe we'd see her as awful too.

This is not a good argument. I have been against Bill and Hillary since the former was in his first term. I think they have been moving the democratic party to the right.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

My opinion is Trump is a shit show blowhard charlatan. Hell, a year ago you said you didn't trust him with the nuclear codes and wouldn't vote for him. So you can see my side as well, just remember your own words.

But yes, I told myself that I wouldn't vote for any politician who voted for the Iraq War resolution. So that would include Clinton and Schumer. And all this DNC shadiness and the bank speeches... let alone all this recent nonsense. Classic Clinton Coverup Worse Than the Crime Third Way realpolitik bullshit. Very disheartening.

If I vote, it's WFP for Uncle Bernie. Maybe the Green candidate for Senate. Funny I looked at the electors for Clinton — since that's who we really vote for. Bill Clinton and Cuomo at the top of the Elector list. Ugh.

It's nice to have ideals and live by principles but there are more important things riding on this election...The Supreme Court is on the ballot, campaign finance reform is on the ballot, gun reform is on the ballot, a woman's right to choose is on the ballot, War with Iran is on the ballot, Holding Cuba to different standards than we hold China is on the ballot, Crime Bill reform where minorities get stiffer sentences than their white counterparts are on the ballot, black lives matters is on the ballot, Guiliani's principles of policing is on the ballot..I can go on...

More important things than living by principles... heh I guess so! The way of the world.

But I'm in a safe state, where my vote either way or me staying home isn't going to amount to anything. It is statistically useless.

Don't fall for that partisan ruse, there's nothing more important than living by your principles. I am not in a safe state, I live in OHIO and I am not voting for these losers. Clinton has had more than a year to come clean on all these issues and she didn't. Lack of transparency is usually indicative of something to hide. I honestly don't care what it is, I don't think she is an honest and upstanding citizen. And Trump is a scumbag.

What do your principles prefer about the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next 20-50 years?

My principles clearly witnessed what republican obstructionism does for SC nominees and they are not interested in right wing slime being nominated under centrist guise.

Fair enough. But you'd rather Trump got to nominate? In a swing state, your vote might actually matter (not like the rest of us).

No I wouldn't rather have Trump win, but in a democracy my job is to elect the best candidate not defeat the worst. In this election there is no best candidate. If people who keep professing disenchantment with establishment politics put their vote where their mouth is, Jill Stein would be president. READ how many posts on this thread starts with the premise that both candidates have flaws and then explains why for blah blah reason one is better than the other. This exactly why we don't have a democracy any more, no matter who wins we are screwed.

Or if Jill Stein had been dissected by the media and Republicans for the past 25 years, maybe we'd see her as awful too.

This is not a good argument. I have been against Bill and Hillary since the former was in his first term. I think they have been moving the democratic party to the right.

Well, I think my argument applies to most of the people who criticize the Clintons even if it doesn't apply to you. But don't forget Bill gave us Ginsburg and Breyer. If Hillary gives us similar SC justices, you won't have to worry about the country moving to the right!

so now republicans are saying they will block any supreme court judge hrc would nominate if she wins.

why are the republicans doing whatever they can to make sure NOTHING happens in this country? why are they fighting evolution? well not all republicans, just the old white ones.

djsunyc wrote:so now republicans are saying they will block any supreme court judge hrc would nominate if she wins.

why are the republicans doing whatever they can to make sure NOTHING happens in this country? why are they fighting evolution? well not all republicans, just the old white ones.

Because they can. Democrats always cave in under pressure and republicans have the intestinal fortitude to duke it out and act like a monolithic block. I don't like to say that but it's true. And there is no accountability anymore, Trump has shown they can get away with anything

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

My opinion is Trump is a shit show blowhard charlatan. Hell, a year ago you said you didn't trust him with the nuclear codes and wouldn't vote for him. So you can see my side as well, just remember your own words.

But yes, I told myself that I wouldn't vote for any politician who voted for the Iraq War resolution. So that would include Clinton and Schumer. And all this DNC shadiness and the bank speeches... let alone all this recent nonsense. Classic Clinton Coverup Worse Than the Crime Third Way realpolitik bullshit. Very disheartening.

If I vote, it's WFP for Uncle Bernie. Maybe the Green candidate for Senate. Funny I looked at the electors for Clinton — since that's who we really vote for. Bill Clinton and Cuomo at the top of the Elector list. Ugh.

It's nice to have ideals and live by principles but there are more important things riding on this election...The Supreme Court is on the ballot, campaign finance reform is on the ballot, gun reform is on the ballot, a woman's right to choose is on the ballot, War with Iran is on the ballot, Holding Cuba to different standards than we hold China is on the ballot, Crime Bill reform where minorities get stiffer sentences than their white counterparts are on the ballot, black lives matters is on the ballot, Guiliani's principles of policing is on the ballot..I can go on...

More important things than living by principles... heh I guess so! The way of the world.

But I'm in a safe state, where my vote either way or me staying home isn't going to amount to anything. It is statistically useless.

Don't fall for that partisan ruse, there's nothing more important than living by your principles. I am not in a safe state, I live in OHIO and I am not voting for these losers. Clinton has had more than a year to come clean on all these issues and she didn't. Lack of transparency is usually indicative of something to hide. I honestly don't care what it is, I don't think she is an honest and upstanding citizen. And Trump is a scumbag.

What do your principles prefer about the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next 20-50 years?

My principles clearly witnessed what republican obstructionism does for SC nominees and they are not interested in right wing slime being nominated under centrist guise.

Fair enough. But you'd rather Trump got to nominate? In a swing state, your vote might actually matter (not like the rest of us).

No I wouldn't rather have Trump win, but in a democracy my job is to elect the best candidate not defeat the worst. In this election there is no best candidate. If people who keep professing disenchantment with establishment politics put their vote where their mouth is, Jill Stein would be president. READ how many posts on this thread starts with the premise that both candidates have flaws and then explains why for blah blah reason one is better than the other. This exactly why we don't have a democracy any more, no matter who wins we are screwed.

Or if Jill Stein had been dissected by the media and Republicans for the past 25 years, maybe we'd see her as awful too.

This is not a good argument. I have been against Bill and Hillary since the former was in his first term. I think they have been moving the democratic party to the right.

Well, I think my argument applies to most of the people who criticize the Clintons even if it doesn't apply to you. But don't forget Bill gave us Ginsburg and Breyer. If Hillary gives us similar SC justices, you won't have to worry about the country moving to the right!

Fair enough- SC justices are not the only things that can move the country to the right. The trickle down BS started by Reagan and then fostered and intensified by Bill has destroyed the middle class and created the foundation for this new economy where wealth is manufactured from leverage and not through production. Now people will argue that his lame ass tax increases "reversed" trickle down but the data has long debunked that BS claim

And you can expect more of the same from Hillary - she will raise taxes which will amount to a lip service to the party base, but will have no actual impact.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

markvmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:I'm getting to the point where I may just stay home on Election Day.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at this peek into how the sausage was made.

Is voting Working Families really doing anything if every WFP candidate is a Democrat? Is voting Green worth the wait in line when they aren't going to get past 2%?

Right now, showing up and handing in a blank ballot seems the most honest thing... and that will just get tossed in the trash as a spoiled ballot.

Thoroughly disgusted. Only thing I may do is hold my nose and vote the entire WFP line as a final shoutout to Uncle Bernie.

Thats a good post DR. Now youre getting me. We may differ opinion--but I respect you want what is best for EVERYONE in your mind--as do I. I STRONGLY do not think Hillary deserves the Presidency--now I can understand why people DO NOT like Trump--BUT I believe strongly he is the better choice for the PEOPLE. Thats just MY opinion.

My opinion is Trump is a shit show blowhard charlatan. Hell, a year ago you said you didn't trust him with the nuclear codes and wouldn't vote for him. So you can see my side as well, just remember your own words.

But yes, I told myself that I wouldn't vote for any politician who voted for the Iraq War resolution. So that would include Clinton and Schumer. And all this DNC shadiness and the bank speeches... let alone all this recent nonsense. Classic Clinton Coverup Worse Than the Crime Third Way realpolitik bullshit. Very disheartening.

If I vote, it's WFP for Uncle Bernie. Maybe the Green candidate for Senate. Funny I looked at the electors for Clinton — since that's who we really vote for. Bill Clinton and Cuomo at the top of the Elector list. Ugh.

It's nice to have ideals and live by principles but there are more important things riding on this election...The Supreme Court is on the ballot, campaign finance reform is on the ballot, gun reform is on the ballot, a woman's right to choose is on the ballot, War with Iran is on the ballot, Holding Cuba to different standards than we hold China is on the ballot, Crime Bill reform where minorities get stiffer sentences than their white counterparts are on the ballot, black lives matters is on the ballot, Guiliani's principles of policing is on the ballot..I can go on...

More important things than living by principles... heh I guess so! The way of the world.

But I'm in a safe state, where my vote either way or me staying home isn't going to amount to anything. It is statistically useless.

Don't fall for that partisan ruse, there's nothing more important than living by your principles. I am not in a safe state, I live in OHIO and I am not voting for these losers. Clinton has had more than a year to come clean on all these issues and she didn't. Lack of transparency is usually indicative of something to hide. I honestly don't care what it is, I don't think she is an honest and upstanding citizen. And Trump is a scumbag.

What do your principles prefer about the makeup of the Supreme Court for the next 20-50 years?

My principles clearly witnessed what republican obstructionism does for SC nominees and they are not interested in right wing slime being nominated under centrist guise.

Fair enough. But you'd rather Trump got to nominate? In a swing state, your vote might actually matter (not like the rest of us).

No I wouldn't rather have Trump win, but in a democracy my job is to elect the best candidate not defeat the worst. In this election there is no best candidate. If people who keep professing disenchantment with establishment politics put their vote where their mouth is, Jill Stein would be president. READ how many posts on this thread starts with the premise that both candidates have flaws and then explains why for blah blah reason one is better than the other. This exactly why we don't have a democracy any more, no matter who wins we are screwed.

Or if Jill Stein had been dissected by the media and Republicans for the past 25 years, maybe we'd see her as awful too.

This is not a good argument. I have been against Bill and Hillary since the former was in his first term. I think they have been moving the democratic party to the right.

Well, I think my argument applies to most of the people who criticize the Clintons even if it doesn't apply to you. But don't forget Bill gave us Ginsburg and Breyer. If Hillary gives us similar SC justices, you won't have to worry about the country moving to the right!

Fair enough- SC justices are not the only things that can move the country to the right. The trickle down BS started by Reagan and then fostered and intensified by Bill has destroyed the middle class and created the foundation for this new economy where wealth is manufactured from leverage and not through production. Now people will argue that his lame ass tax increases "reversed" trickle down but the data has long debunked that BS claim

Well as long a there are years where the stock market have a healthy rise, then you will see disparities grow..You shouldn't be upset that folks are making money, you should be upset that some groups are left out and we need to find ways to include them..

So FBI dumped more documents about Bill Clinton controversial pardon of Mark Rich in 2001..

FBI tweeted about the Mark Rich release from an FBI account that wasn't used since October of 2015..

This last phase swing towards Trump is very troubling- same thing happened with the Brexit vote. The sad reality is Trump shares (or at least pretends to share) the views of a large chunk of voters- they think women are making a big deal about nothing with regards to sexual assault, they hate Muslims, they hate Mexicans, they hate 'foreigners'. Lately they've felt they have to hide these views so they're delighted Trump has given them permission to push their views (which they then deem as him speaking 'the truth')

Wow, Weld is a former Republican and currently on the ticket with Gary Johnson as a Libertarian. But he's basically telling everyone not to vote for him and to vote for Hillary! (Start video at 1:30)