gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:Well the next 4 years should be fun..We start with the Trump's rape trial of a 13 year old in December...Don't think the media isn't loving this...
Followed by some more wikileaks and the private investigator trump appoints to lock Hillary
Up once and for all
Trump just grabbed the Presidency by the P....
nixluva wrote:Welpee wrote:nixluva wrote:Welpee wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:All these states that people thought it was safe to cast the protest votes..It actually showing up as the difference..People outsmarting themselves..
I was saying that since day one. These people are Fools! They clearly didn't learn from Nader! It's not a joke. If Trump wins this country just repeated the George Bush mistake ONLY WORSE!
The saving grace is this country is strong enough to survive. Look through history and you'll see some truly awful presidents and we somehow made it to where we are today.
Yeah but I really don't want to have to go thru another rough period. This is unreal. Financially things were starting to stabilize. Social progress was being made. It would be a shame to go backwards.
The KKK are out partying right now. This is their guy. They will come out of the shadows now.
I hear ya. The election validated some of the darkest elements of our society and will empower these forces to help take us back to a period where I had hoped we had evolved from.
The Angry White masses have risen. There's no other way to view this. All the nasty xenophobic rhetoric from Trump was sweet nectar for these people. It's not a good sign for the progress we were making.
So they were underestimated?
Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Welpee wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Welpee wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If Trump wins at least this will put a big dent in the Clinton wing of the Democratic party. Cant think of any family who has moved the party further away from its traditional platform. I hope those who were strong supporters of Hillary understand how tired people are of the Clintons and their triangulation. All it has done is move this country and the democratic party further and further to the right. Hopefully this emboldens the progressive wing of the party.
Trust me, I'm tired of the Clintons too. I didn't vote for her in the primaries, didn't vote for her in 2008. I only supported her because of the opponent she ran against and the prospects of what a Trump presidency is going to look like. I would've considered voting for a sane, moderate republican if they offered one.But also understand, there were a lot of unethical forces to contributed to this too. Why people seem to be OK with foreign entities hacking emails to influence the election, the FBI injecting themselves into this election, and efforts to suppress voting is beyond me. The ends do not justify the means.
That wasnt directed at reluctant voters like yourself, more for the enthusiastic supporters of Clinton. It bears repeating that historians have to go back several thousand years to find a more unequal society. The Clintons played a big part in making that happen. Many voters who might have voted for a democrat were willing to do whatever it took to keep the Clintons from doing it again.
But to do this against their own self interests? Enduring four years of Trump just to rid themselves of Clinton?
Clinton is also against their self interest, this is the message people need to hear
More than Trump?
That's largely unknown. It's either as much as Trump or more than. If Trump let's republicans wrote up the laws they want and just signs them he will be doing what Clinton (Bill) did. On the other hand if he goes rogue and antI establishment then all bets are off. With Hillary is pretty much option one of the above.
I don't think Trump went through all of this to be a figure head. I think he thinks he has more power than a president actually has. I think he's going to try to operate as a dictator.
Fascinating how my posts get deleted and this nonsense not
Based on any reality doesn't
gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:Well the next 4 years should be fun..We start with the Trump's rape trial of a 13 year old in December...Don't think the media isn't loving this...
Followed by some more wikileaks and the private investigator Trump appoints to lock Hillary
Up once and for all
Yep Trump promised:
Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it
Jail hillary
Make all manufacturers make stuff in America (don't talk about prices)
Ban all Muslims
Make American great again
So all that stuff will happen
Allanfan20 wrote:Mike Pence will be president. Watch Trump lose that trial and become impeached.
Better than a Hillary impeachment and Tim jokester Kaine UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Presidency
gunsnewing wrote:nixluva wrote:Welpee wrote:nixluva wrote:Welpee wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:All these states that people thought it was safe to cast the protest votes..It actually showing up as the difference..People outsmarting themselves..
I was saying that since day one. These people are Fools! They clearly didn't learn from Nader! It's not a joke. If Trump wins this country just repeated the George Bush mistake ONLY WORSE!
The saving grace is this country is strong enough to survive. Look through history and you'll see some truly awful presidents and we somehow made it to where we are today.
Yeah but I really don't want to have to go thru another rough period. This is unreal. Financially things were starting to stabilize. Social progress was being made. It would be a shame to go backwards.
The KKK are out partying right now. This is their guy. They will come out of the shadows now.
I hear ya. The election validated some of the darkest elements of our society and will empower these forces to help take us back to a period where I had hoped we had evolved from.
The Angry White masses have risen. There's no other way to view this. All the nasty xenophobic rhetoric from Trump was sweet nectar for these people. It's not a good sign for the progress we were making.
So they were underestimated?
CLEARLY! Doesn't mean Trump is the answer to their problems! This is a repeat of Bush only worse. WTF does Trump know about policy, world affairs or really anything about statesmanship?
Trump has caught the proverbial Tiger by the tail. He has no clue what he's gotten himself into. This is not a Hotel or Golf Course.
Most of the California vote hasn't come in. They're saying on MSNBC that she may end up winning the popular vote but losing the electoral vote.
gunsnewing wrote:Also there is a possibility that a lot of dems don't care enough to get out and vote. Trump made sure to rally republicans.Even if they are 88yrs old, living in Florida and legally blind. They beat them to the polls. And that is America
While I agree, also realize republicans legislators tried to implement voter suppression tactics targeted at democrats populations? I always thought we wanted to make it
easier for more eligible people to vote?
earthmansurfer wrote:I questioned those oversampled polls a bit. Just like Brexit.I think there is going to be a big climb uphill now. Corruption is on notice and they have a few weapons up their sleeve, perhaps the economy (but I hope not).
Any word on about when things are official?
I would bet nothing official until the morning. I think in certain states there's an automatic recount if the final tally is some where under a .5% lead. But in reality it's a wrap.
Also 538 is a wrap as an election forecaster.
Oh shut Isiah Thomas spotted at Clinton HQ
gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:More latinos voted for Trump than expected..
Expect s according to who? Being Latino Doesn't automatically mean you are voting democrat. Let alone a two faced ultra corrupt one like Hillary.
2 things to keep in mind:
There are plenty of Latino legal Americans who pay taxes and plenty who are devout catholics. Strongly against Hillary's late term abortion policies.
It's not their fault so many were misled by the media and their political agendas
Gotta +1 it. The data coming in backs you up. 33% of Latino men went Trump they saying on PBS.
Naked First Lady?..Really?
DrAlphaeus wrote:gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:More latinos voted for Trump than expected..
Expect s according to who? Being Latino Doesn't automatically mean you are voting democrat. Let alone a two faced ultra corrupt one like Hillary.
2 things to keep in mind:
There are plenty of Latino legal Americans who pay taxes and plenty who are devout catholics. Strongly against Hillary's late term abortion policies.
It's not their fault so many were misled by the media and their political agendas
Gotta +1 it. The data coming in backs you up. 33% of Latino men went Trump they saying on PBS.
What do you think is the reasoning behind that?
Vmart wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:More latinos voted for Trump than expected..
Expect s according to who? Being Latino Doesn't automatically mean you are voting democrat. Let alone a two faced ultra corrupt one like Hillary.
2 things to keep in mind:
There are plenty of Latino legal Americans who pay taxes and plenty who are devout catholics. Strongly against Hillary's late term abortion policies.
It's not their fault so many were misled by the media and their political agendas
Gotta +1 it. The data coming in backs you up. 33% of Latino men went Trump they saying on PBS.
What do you think is the reasoning behind that?
She's not popular enough for men to take a chance on her. She'a been unpopular since the 90s, AND most well-known. Podesta sending folks home with no statement.
Vmart wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:More latinos voted for Trump than expected..
Expect s according to who? Being Latino Doesn't automatically mean you are voting democrat. Let alone a two faced ultra corrupt one like Hillary.
2 things to keep in mind:
There are plenty of Latino legal Americans who pay taxes and plenty who are devout catholics. Strongly against Hillary's late term abortion policies.
It's not their fault so many were misled by the media and their political agendas
Gotta +1 it. The data coming in backs you up. 33% of Latino men went Trump they saying on PBS.
What do you think is the reasoning behind that?
Trump voters didn't vote for him on logical grounds, it was an emotional decision because he resonated them emotionally
Vote counting... wow. New waters y'all!
Wow. These Democrates have no character. People probably wonder why they even gave them a vote.
smackeddog wrote:Vmart wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:More latinos voted for Trump than expected..
Expect s according to who? Being Latino Doesn't automatically mean you are voting democrat. Let alone a two faced ultra corrupt one like Hillary.
2 things to keep in mind:
There are plenty of Latino legal Americans who pay taxes and plenty who are devout catholics. Strongly against Hillary's late term abortion policies.
It's not their fault so many were misled by the media and their political agendas
Gotta +1 it. The data coming in backs you up. 33% of Latino men went Trump they saying on PBS.
What do you think is the reasoning behind that?
Trump voters didn't vote for him on logical grounds, it was an emotional decision because he resonated them emotionally
That simplifies things a bit much. Both reason and emotion can be false. I think many, not just latino's, are just sick of the system, sick of globalization and tax cuts that benefit companies and not people.
Understand something, Trump won, despite "polls" showing he was losing the whole time, at least MSM polls (that brings up other issues). The psychological influence of saying "you are losing" is a strong one. To overcome that and MSM is amazing.
Some real work begins though, even with Trump in, corruption is going to try to hold on.
