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NYTimes got a hold of Trump's 1995 taxes and it suggested he may not have paid federal taxes for 18 years..

Seems like he lost over 900 mil in 1995 and that enables him to write off the loss for the next 18 years..I think?!?!..Didn't read the article yet..

Folks want him as president for his business acumen..

holfresh wrote:NYTimes got a hold of Trump's 1995 taxes and it suggested he may not have paid federal taxes for 18 years..

Seems like he lost over 900 mil in 1995 and that enables him to write off the loss for the next 18 years..I think?!?!..Didn't read the article yet..

Folks want him as president for his business acumen..

Just saw the article, lots of details that will leave most in a hazy glaze.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/pol...

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:NYTimes got a hold of Trump's 1995 taxes and it suggested he may not have paid federal taxes for 18 years..

Seems like he lost over 900 mil in 1995 and that enables him to write off the loss for the next 18 years..I think?!?!..Didn't read the article yet..

Folks want him as president for his business acumen..

Just saw the article, lots of details that will leave most in a hazy glaze.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/pol...

and people want this guy running the country?

Welpee wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I hope the moderators at the next debate ask Trump about the fact that he calls all his political opponents names (Crooked Hillary, Little Marco, Lyin' Ted). We need to know if he's going to name-call foreign leaders when he disagrees with them, which would be unacceptable.
It's ironic how he's so much more polite in person, like when he referred to Hillary as Secretary Clinton at the debate and said, "Is that all right?" I wish Hillary had smiled and said something like, "It's better than Crooked Hillary!"

Does it matter? If Trump says no he's not going to do that as president would you believe him given all the lies he's told thus far?

This is what gets me. These people supporting Trump talk about Hillary being a liar. And, I am like what has Trump done in his history to make you believe anything he says. The dude is a con man. It works for him in business, but I fail to see why anyone would think this guy is honest. In fact, he boasts about his ability to swindle people.

TheGame wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I hope the moderators at the next debate ask Trump about the fact that he calls all his political opponents names (Crooked Hillary, Little Marco, Lyin' Ted). We need to know if he's going to name-call foreign leaders when he disagrees with them, which would be unacceptable.
It's ironic how he's so much more polite in person, like when he referred to Hillary as Secretary Clinton at the debate and said, "Is that all right?" I wish Hillary had smiled and said something like, "It's better than Crooked Hillary!"

Does it matter? If Trump says no he's not going to do that as president would you believe him given all the lies he's told thus far?

This is what gets me. These people supporting Trump talk about Hillary being a liar. And, I am like what has Trump done in his history to make you believe anything he says. The dude is a con man. It works for him in business, but I fail to see why anyone would think this guy is honest. In fact, he boasts about his ability to swindle people.

Throughout this thread that same question and most in the similar strain have been asked. Not answered once by a Trump supporter.

Somebody leaked his taxes from 1995. Envelope was addressed from Trump Tower, but that does not mean much. As of this moment, Trump has not tweeted in 9 hours...which seems like a lot of time for him.

He was over $.9 billion in debt and he's been able to use that as a tax write off.

The Killer thing for him is that public will now see that bankrupt boy talks a big deal, but uses the law to get out of paying what he owes people and uses his failures to get large tax breaks.

Optics are bad for him, no matter you look at the situation, and there will be more cries for him to release his tax returns. His failure to release them now takes on new meaning.

If his ONLY selling point is his economic know how, he's not looking too good right now.

TheGame wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I hope the moderators at the next debate ask Trump about the fact that he calls all his political opponents names (Crooked Hillary, Little Marco, Lyin' Ted). We need to know if he's going to name-call foreign leaders when he disagrees with them, which would be unacceptable.
It's ironic how he's so much more polite in person, like when he referred to Hillary as Secretary Clinton at the debate and said, "Is that all right?" I wish Hillary had smiled and said something like, "It's better than Crooked Hillary!"

Does it matter? If Trump says no he's not going to do that as president would you believe him given all the lies he's told thus far?

This is what gets me. These people supporting Trump talk about Hillary being a liar. And, I am like what has Trump done in his history to make you believe anything he says. The dude is a con man. It works for him in business, but I fail to see why anyone would think this guy is honest. In fact, he boasts about his ability to swindle people.

Also, he has positioned himself as the voice of the regular person, though throughout his career he has consistently ripped off regular people: not paying people he does business with, setting up that phony Trump University scam, getting involved that in Trump Network pyramid scheme (oh, I'm sorry "mult-level marketing" scheme), housing discrimination cases, destroying communities for the sake of his hotel/golf course/resort projects, etc.

Not to mention, his primary attribute is his business sense, however, nobody knows how much he's really worth (just what he says he's worth), he won't show his taxes, he's got documented business failures and multiple bankruptcies, he's has people believing he's a self-made billionaire but daddy got him started with $14m, daddy used his influence with politicians to get stuff done for him, daddy bailed him out when his businesses failed and he was in trouble financially, Trump was able to borrow against his future inheritance, and daddy eventually died (at a very convenient time because Trump was at his lowest point financially) and he received a $200m inheritance. Not to mention, he forces people who do business with him to sign non-disclosure agreements. Imagine how much dirt would come out if people weren't afraid of getting sued if they speak out.

I've said this a million times, Trump is NOT a great business man, Trump is great at marketing himself and his brand and is a brilliant con man. People are fooled into thinking Trump is going to apply those brilliant con skills to helping the country. When has he shown any interest in helping anybody other than himself and his family? For a guy who is supposed to have so much money he has so little to show for it it in terms of giving back to society.

NYKBocker wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:NYTimes got a hold of Trump's 1995 taxes and it suggested he may not have paid federal taxes for 18 years..

Seems like he lost over 900 mil in 1995 and that enables him to write off the loss for the next 18 years..I think?!?!..Didn't read the article yet..

Folks want him as president for his business acumen..

Just saw the article, lots of details that will leave most in a hazy glaze.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/pol...

and people want this guy running the country?

This is same type of windfall tax shelter event that was created for the TBTF banks by Paulson.
The concept is the same, prorate future income for years against a large one time loss to completely avoid federal income taxes. Being in RE though he had access to even more loopholes and tax shelters. Unfortunately, everything described here was and is completely legal and supports his claims that he has taken advantage of the tax code to build his wealth.

TheGame wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I hope the moderators at the next debate ask Trump about the fact that he calls all his political opponents names (Crooked Hillary, Little Marco, Lyin' Ted). We need to know if he's going to name-call foreign leaders when he disagrees with them, which would be unacceptable.
It's ironic how he's so much more polite in person, like when he referred to Hillary as Secretary Clinton at the debate and said, "Is that all right?" I wish Hillary had smiled and said something like, "It's better than Crooked Hillary!"

Does it matter? If Trump says no he's not going to do that as president would you believe him given all the lies he's told thus far?

This is what gets me. These people supporting Trump talk about Hillary being a liar. And, I am like what has Trump done in his history to make you believe anything he says. The dude is a con man. It works for him in business, but I fail to see why anyone would think this guy is honest. In fact, he boasts about his ability to swindle people.

Well if you think about it we haven't had a honest president since JFK until we hit Barack Obama.
Regan lied about trickle down, LBJ and Nixon lied about everything. Bush and Bush - the less said the better. Clinton used his flamboyance to make lying on national TV almost seem desirable.

So what about Trump'S increasing popularity is hard to understand?

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I hope the moderators at the next debate ask Trump about the fact that he calls all his political opponents names (Crooked Hillary, Little Marco, Lyin' Ted). We need to know if he's going to name-call foreign leaders when he disagrees with them, which would be unacceptable.
It's ironic how he's so much more polite in person, like when he referred to Hillary as Secretary Clinton at the debate and said, "Is that all right?" I wish Hillary had smiled and said something like, "It's better than Crooked Hillary!"

Does it matter? If Trump says no he's not going to do that as president would you believe him given all the lies he's told thus far?

This is what gets me. These people supporting Trump talk about Hillary being a liar. And, I am like what has Trump done in his history to make you believe anything he says. The dude is a con man. It works for him in business, but I fail to see why anyone would think this guy is honest. In fact, he boasts about his ability to swindle people.

Well if you think about it we haven't had a honest president since JFK until we hit Barack Obama.
Regan lied about trickle down, LBJ and Nixon lied about everything. Bush and Bush - the less said the better. Clinton used his flamboyance to make lying on national TV almost seem desirable.

So what about Trump'S increasing popularity is hard to understand?

Because this is 2016 and voters have WAYYYYYYYY more access to info than people even as recent as 2000. It is hard to understand Trump's popularity given all the information available about him, unless you accept that a large percentage of this country are anti-minorities, women, gays, overweight people, immigrants, muslims and are closet white nationalists.

I am putting all my faith that this country is better than that and there are more than enough sane people to offset the "deplorables." Not all Trump supporters are deplorable, but all deplorables who are voting support Trump. That should tell people something.

Welpee wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I hope the moderators at the next debate ask Trump about the fact that he calls all his political opponents names (Crooked Hillary, Little Marco, Lyin' Ted). We need to know if he's going to name-call foreign leaders when he disagrees with them, which would be unacceptable.
It's ironic how he's so much more polite in person, like when he referred to Hillary as Secretary Clinton at the debate and said, "Is that all right?" I wish Hillary had smiled and said something like, "It's better than Crooked Hillary!"

Does it matter? If Trump says no he's not going to do that as president would you believe him given all the lies he's told thus far?

This is what gets me. These people supporting Trump talk about Hillary being a liar. And, I am like what has Trump done in his history to make you believe anything he says. The dude is a con man. It works for him in business, but I fail to see why anyone would think this guy is honest. In fact, he boasts about his ability to swindle people.

Well if you think about it we haven't had a honest president since JFK until we hit Barack Obama.
Regan lied about trickle down, LBJ and Nixon lied about everything. Bush and Bush - the less said the better. Clinton used his flamboyance to make lying on national TV almost seem desirable.

So what about Trump'S increasing popularity is hard to understand?

Because this is 2016 and voters have WAYYYYYYYY more access to info than people even as recent as 2000. It is hard to understand Trump's popularity given all the information available about him, unless you accept that a large percentage of this country are anti-minorities, women, gays, overweight people, immigrants, muslims and are closet white nationalists.

I am putting all my faith that this country is better than that and there are more than enough sane people to offset the "deplorables." Not all Trump supporters are deplorable, but all deplorable who are voting support Trump. That should tell people something.

There are sane people, it's why Clinton still leads in the polls. My point is people are largely desensitized towards presidents lying through their teeth. This is what we have come to accept. So it doesn't bother people anymore.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I hope the moderators at the next debate ask Trump about the fact that he calls all his political opponents names (Crooked Hillary, Little Marco, Lyin' Ted). We need to know if he's going to name-call foreign leaders when he disagrees with them, which would be unacceptable.
It's ironic how he's so much more polite in person, like when he referred to Hillary as Secretary Clinton at the debate and said, "Is that all right?" I wish Hillary had smiled and said something like, "It's better than Crooked Hillary!"

Does it matter? If Trump says no he's not going to do that as president would you believe him given all the lies he's told thus far?

This is what gets me. These people supporting Trump talk about Hillary being a liar. And, I am like what has Trump done in his history to make you believe anything he says. The dude is a con man. It works for him in business, but I fail to see why anyone would think this guy is honest. In fact, he boasts about his ability to swindle people.

Well if you think about it we haven't had a honest president since JFK until we hit Barack Obama.
Regan lied about trickle down, LBJ and Nixon lied about everything. Bush and Bush - the less said the better. Clinton used his flamboyance to make lying on national TV almost seem desirable.

So what about Trump'S increasing popularity is hard to understand?

Because this is 2016 and voters have WAYYYYYYYY more access to info than people even as recent as 2000. It is hard to understand Trump's popularity given all the information available about him, unless you accept that a large percentage of this country are anti-minorities, women, gays, overweight people, immigrants, muslims and are closet white nationalists.

I am putting all my faith that this country is better than that and there are more than enough sane people to offset the "deplorables." Not all Trump supporters are deplorable, but all deplorable who are voting support Trump. That should tell people something.

There are sane people, it's why Clinton still leads in the polls. My point is people are largely desensitized towards presidents lying through their teeth. This is what we have come to accept. So it doesn't bother people anymore.

I agree to a certain extent, but I think Trump's level of lying is off the chain to the point he just lies about everything (or at minimum makes statements about things he knows nothing about). If people have become this desensitized to lying, then remind me again what is it Trump supporters are supporting? If he lies about everything you can't say it's about his policies because how do you know he mean anything he says?

Welpee wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I hope the moderators at the next debate ask Trump about the fact that he calls all his political opponents names (Crooked Hillary, Little Marco, Lyin' Ted). We need to know if he's going to name-call foreign leaders when he disagrees with them, which would be unacceptable.
It's ironic how he's so much more polite in person, like when he referred to Hillary as Secretary Clinton at the debate and said, "Is that all right?" I wish Hillary had smiled and said something like, "It's better than Crooked Hillary!"

Does it matter? If Trump says no he's not going to do that as president would you believe him given all the lies he's told thus far?

This is what gets me. These people supporting Trump talk about Hillary being a liar. And, I am like what has Trump done in his history to make you believe anything he says. The dude is a con man. It works for him in business, but I fail to see why anyone would think this guy is honest. In fact, he boasts about his ability to swindle people.

Well if you think about it we haven't had a honest president since JFK until we hit Barack Obama.
Regan lied about trickle down, LBJ and Nixon lied about everything. Bush and Bush - the less said the better. Clinton used his flamboyance to make lying on national TV almost seem desirable.

So what about Trump'S increasing popularity is hard to understand?

Because this is 2016 and voters have WAYYYYYYYY more access to info than people even as recent as 2000. It is hard to understand Trump's popularity given all the information available about him, unless you accept that a large percentage of this country are anti-minorities, women, gays, overweight people, immigrants, muslims and are closet white nationalists.

I am putting all my faith that this country is better than that and there are more than enough sane people to offset the "deplorables." Not all Trump supporters are deplorable, but all deplorable who are voting support Trump. That should tell people something.

There are sane people, it's why Clinton still leads in the polls. My point is people are largely desensitized towards presidents lying through their teeth. This is what we have come to accept. So it doesn't bother people anymore.

I agree to a certain extent, but I think Trump's level of lying is off the chain to the point he just lies about everything (or at minimum makes statements about things he knows nothing about). If people have become this desensitized to lying, then remind me again what is it Trump supporters are supporting? If he lies about everything you can't say it's about his policies because how do you know he mean anything he says?

I cannot tell you what they are supporting, I am not sure I possess the amount of cognitive dissonance required to empathize with Agent Orange. But if you see the history, lying has not only become accepted, it has become mainstream. Sure they can say they are supporting him for his
policies. If he can lie about everything, why can't they?

I think you correctly sense that this is going down fast, again my position is that it has to go down before it can go up. I am hopng Trump proves to be a Black Swan event for US politics. If not, then with Hillary we get more status quo. And the frustrations that made up this ticking time bomb continues to build.

one day "Trump:The Movie" will blow us away.

GOP needs to look in the mirror and be better than this. A platform of Evangelical Tea Party racist attracting uneducated white fear mongers is not a recipe for success. Kasich's lack of charismatic reality show appear in favor of the empty carbohydrates that is Trump speaks for itself.

"Make america great" is not a bad slogan, but the problem is not Hilary, its the process that nominated Trump...

Nalod wrote:one day "Trump:The Movie" will blow us away.

GOP needs to look in the mirror and be better than this. A platform of Evangelical Tea Party racist attracting uneducated white fear mongers is not a recipe for success. Kasich's lack of charismatic reality show appear in favor of the empty carbohydrates that is Trump speaks for itself.

"Make america great" is not a bad slogan, but the problem is not Hilary, its the process that nominated Trump...

You left off a key word...again. Make America Great Again. Apparently we're not currently great, we have to make America great "again." Though there's never any clarification of the time period they considered America great that they want to take us back to. Absent of that clarification, I am going to assume they're talking about the 1950s when blacks knew they place, gays stayed in the closet, a woman's place was the kitchen and the bedroom, and white men were king.

Welpee wrote:

Nalod wrote:one day "Trump:The Movie" will blow us away.

GOP needs to look in the mirror and be better than this. A platform of Evangelical Tea Party racist attracting uneducated white fear mongers is not a recipe for success. Kasich's lack of charismatic reality show appear in favor of the empty carbohydrates that is Trump speaks for itself.

"Make america great" is not a bad slogan, but the problem is not Hilary, its the process that nominated Trump...

You left off a key word...again. Make America Great Again. Apparently we're not currently great, we have to make America great "again." Though there's never any clarification of the time period they considered America great that they want to take us back to. Absent of that clarification, I am going to assume they're talking about the 1950s when blacks knew they place, gays stayed in the closet, a woman's place was the kitchen and the bedroom, and white men were king.

holfresh wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Nalod wrote:one day "Trump:The Movie" will blow us away.

GOP needs to look in the mirror and be better than this. A platform of Evangelical Tea Party racist attracting uneducated white fear mongers is not a recipe for success. Kasich's lack of charismatic reality show appear in favor of the empty carbohydrates that is Trump speaks for itself.

"Make america great" is not a bad slogan, but the problem is not Hilary, its the process that nominated Trump...

You left off a key word...again. Make America Great Again. Apparently we're not currently great, we have to make America great "again." Though there's never any clarification of the time period they considered America great that they want to take us back to. Absent of that clarification, I am going to assume they're talking about the 1950s when blacks knew they place, gays stayed in the closet, a woman's place was the kitchen and the bedroom, and white men were king.

Wow, basically what I said word for word.

Trumps cons or business dealings never affected me as a citizen of the US. But Hiliary's cons are on a national level and affected a lot of people. Now before you guys get your panties in a bunch. I have decided to protest this election by not voting. If these are the best candidates that this country can come up with then we are are all F'ed and hoodwinked by a few who supported these clowns. Deep down I know in everyone's heart voting for one of these two is like voting for the sake of voting.

Vmart wrote:Trumps cons or business dealings never affected me as a citizen of the US. But Hiliary's cons are on a national level and affected a lot of people. Now before you guys get your panties in a bunch. I have decided to protest this election by not voting. If these are the best candidates that this country can come up with then we are are all F'ed and hoodwinked by a few who supported these clowns. Deep down I know in everyone's heart voting for one of these two is like voting for the sake of voting.

How many ways can I disagree with each sentence and how uninformed and weak each of the ideas behind each sentence is... When I get time I will respond in full.

My high level: it's a cop out answer for you and you are trying to make it a broad statement about everyone else. No thank you.

Vmart wrote:Trumps cons or business dealings never affected me as a citizen of the US. But Hiliary's cons are on a national level and affected a lot of people. Now before you guys get your panties in a bunch. I have decided to protest this election by not voting. If these are the best candidates that this country can come up with then we are are all F'ed and hoodwinked by a few who supported these clowns. Deep down I know in everyone's heart voting for one of these two is like voting for the sake of voting.

If you have a second to engage, please explain the basis for your conclusion, so I too can be informed. My conclusion is that Hillary is not a sexy candidate, no pun intended. She is following the very charismatic Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. She doesn't have the simple message of a Bernie Sanders, so what gives? In every governmental job she has had, she has garnered high praise from both sides..She was one of the most proactive first ladies ever in the white house when it came to policy...She was an excellent Senator from New York and a very good secretary of state who worked tirelessly. So where does the conclusion come from that she is a clown?..She is a policy wonk who knows policy with the best of them in Washington. How did you draw your conclusion?