Knicks · What is the most glaring weakness of the team? (page 2)

In all seriousness... our center matches up well against any center in the east. Our power fwd is better than most powerful fwds in the east. We have 2 point guards that can match up against any starting pg in the east. Our starting small fwds is still the second best small fwd next to Lebron in the east.... Courtney Lee is the weak link at shooting guard but has a good reputation as one of the best 3 and D players in the entire league.

If you don't agree then something is wrong with you

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The only weakness this team has is negative juju from the fans.... if you take health out of the equation this team is top 5 in the east if not top 3.

Don't argue just believe it

good luck with all that.

I can bet my house that you are a conservative

If by conservative you mean I wear long dresses and saving my virginity for marriage then you are correct

I voted bench, but that is a bit misleading. I think we need better perimeter defense in the second unit. Also, I think we need more 3pt shooting in the second unit.

Looking at the starting five, we are pretty balanced and strong. We just need to stay healthy.

So, biggest weakness is really the health factor. I would put this team as a better team than the one that won 54 games... If healthy.

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

EwingsGlass wrote:I voted bench, but that is a bit misleading. I think we need better perimeter defense in the second unit. Also, I think we need more 3pt shooting in the second unit.

Looking at the starting five, we are pretty balanced and strong. We just need to stay healthy.

So, biggest weakness is really the health factor. I would put this team as a better team than the one that won 54 games... If healthy.

Everyone keeps talking in terms of units but Hornacek has stated he does intend on using a platoon system. He intends on keeping some of his top players on the floor for most of the game. He should be able to do that with Rose, Melo, KP and Jennings. We've never had that many capable players to rotate so that you always have lead scorers on the floor and bench players can just fill in.

This is a MASSIVE difference in this roster. Hornacek is a smart coach and he has good concepts.

callmened wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

the bench is def a concern and if you would ask the pro's around the league they would say the same thing.

Of course everything can turn out peaches but as of now, this bench is unproven and until proven ....

mreinman wrote:

callmened wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

the bench is def a concern and if you would ask the pro's around the league they would say the same thing.

Of course everything can turn out peaches but as of now, this bench is unproven and until proven ....

You are exaggerating the issue. We have a better top 7 than last year! Players 8,9 and 10 will not have to carry a serious load.

Hornacek is not planning a platoon style rotation, just because he doesn't want to put too much on role players. His plan to stagger his top players is an excellent plan!

Most glaring weakness (?)

Lack of experience running the Triangle (!)

Malcolm wrote:Most glaring weakness (?)

Lack of experience running the Triangle (!)

Uh nice try but that is not a serious issue! Melo, KP, Noah and Rose all have played some Triangle. The concepts will not be foreign to them. LT, KOQ and Sasha also have experience and can help with whatever amount of Triangle Hornacek uses. He's not going to run old Triangle and wasn't brought in to do that. Phil brought JH in to modernize the Triangle and to bring his concepts to the offense.
So this is going to be Hornacek's version of the Triangle. Uptempo, spread, more 3's and PnR.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

callmened wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

the bench is def a concern and if you would ask the pro's around the league they would say the same thing.

Of course everything can turn out peaches but as of now, this bench is unproven and until proven ....

You are exaggerating the issue. We have a better top 7 than last year! Players 8,9 and 10 will not have to carry a serious load.

Hornacek is not planning a platoon style rotation, just because he doesn't want to put too much on role players. His plan to stagger his top players is an excellent plan!

so what do you think are issues that you worry about?

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

I hated Gallo, or at least thought he didn't live up to where I thought he could be. Surprised you would feel better about having Gallo off bench, IMHO he didn't really solidify that area.

I guess there is also a big difference between having pure vets and guys with decent potential off bench, and it's obvious the Knicks went with the later.

I like Jennings, LT off bench as the leaders of the second team. LT can play multiple positions. Always thought KOQ was fish out of water last year and maybe he can make a comeback and Sasha will be Sasha. Holiday, Ndour, Willy, Kuz represent a decent potential group for me.

Glaring weakness? Not for me.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

callmened wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

the bench is def a concern and if you would ask the pro's around the league they would say the same thing.

Of course everything can turn out peaches but as of now, this bench is unproven and until proven ....

You are exaggerating the issue. We have a better top 7 than last year! Players 8,9 and 10 will not have to carry a serious load.

Hornacek is not planning a platoon style rotation, just because he doesn't want to put too much on role players. His plan to stagger his top players is an excellent plan!

so you're expecting no injuries?

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

callmened wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

the bench is def a concern and if you would ask the pro's around the league they would say the same thing.

Of course everything can turn out peaches but as of now, this bench is unproven and until proven ....

You are exaggerating the issue. We have a better top 7 than last year! Players 8,9 and 10 will not have to carry a serious load.

Hornacek is not planning a platoon style rotation, just because he doesn't want to put too much on role players. His plan to stagger his top players is an excellent plan!

so you're expecting no injuries?

I never said there would be no injuries. I do think this team is better set up to prevent fatigue related injury and to handle random things like a twisted ankle. It's a good roster.

We have Rose, Melo, KP and Jennings as guys who be focal points on offense and can create their own shots and that will give Hornacek the ability to stagger his rotations so that we don't play any significant time without one or more them on the floor. This is a HUGE development. I really don't think some fans or media are paying attention to this. When you have those kind of players it means you can run an effective offense and not be subject to a drastic drop off in your offensive effectiveness.

Then you have Lee and Holiday who I think can give this team some quality 3nD minutes. Neither guy needs the ball to be effective and both can defend. Holiday is a 6-6 SG with a 7-1 wingspan and he can defend. I think with a more consistent role Holiday can be an effective reserve.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

callmened wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

the bench is def a concern and if you would ask the pro's around the league they would say the same thing.

Of course everything can turn out peaches but as of now, this bench is unproven and until proven ....

You are exaggerating the issue. We have a better top 7 than last year! Players 8,9 and 10 will not have to carry a serious load.

Hornacek is not planning a platoon style rotation, just because he doesn't want to put too much on role players. His plan to stagger his top players is an excellent plan!

i might be exaggerating the issue but i was just answering the question...thats my biggest concern.

nixluva - whats your biggest concern of this knicks team? the price of tickets? jk jk

martin wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

I hated Gallo, or at least thought he didn't live up to where I thought he could be. Surprised you would feel better about having Gallo off bench, IMHO he didn't really solidify that area.

I guess there is also a big difference between having pure vets and guys with decent potential off bench, and it's obvious the Knicks went with the later.

I like Jennings, LT off bench as the leaders of the second team. LT can play multiple positions. Always thought KOQ was fish out of water last year and maybe he can make a comeback and Sasha will be Sasha. Holiday, Ndour, Willy, Kuz represent a decent potential group for me.

Glaring weakness? Not for me.

(Guaranteed)

Guards

Brandon Jennings, Justin Holiday, Sasha Vujacic

Forwards

Lance Thomas, Mindaugas Kuzminskas, Maurice Ndour

Centers

Kyle O’Quinn, Willy Hernangomez, Marshall Plumlee

martin wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

I hated Gallo, or at least thought he didn't live up to where I thought he could be. Surprised you would feel better about having Gallo off bench, IMHO he didn't really solidify that area.

I guess there is also a big difference between having pure vets and guys with decent potential off bench, and it's obvious the Knicks went with the later.

I like Jennings, LT off bench as the leaders of the second team. LT can play multiple positions. Always thought KOQ was fish out of water last year and maybe he can make a comeback and Sasha will be Sasha. Holiday, Ndour, Willy, Kuz represent a decent potential group for me.

Glaring weakness? Not for me.

i get it. but thats my concern. i wish we had PROVEN talent off the bench given the injury history of the stars.

but thats me - maybe im crazy. lol

callmened wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

callmened wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

the bench is def a concern and if you would ask the pro's around the league they would say the same thing.

Of course everything can turn out peaches but as of now, this bench is unproven and until proven ....

You are exaggerating the issue. We have a better top 7 than last year! Players 8,9 and 10 will not have to carry a serious load.

Hornacek is not planning a platoon style rotation, just because he doesn't want to put too much on role players. His plan to stagger his top players is an excellent plan!

i might be exaggerating the issue but i was just answering the question...thats my biggest concern.

nixluva - whats your biggest concern of this knicks team? the price of tickets? jk jk

First Post in this thread:

nixluva wrote:Neither Rose nor Jennings are strong defenders. It remains to be seen how the team covers for some of that. Also neither of them are great shooters either. The rotation after the top 7 is untested. We have to see how Hornacek handles his rotations not only for in game production but also for how he manages the vets minutes. Overall the consistency could be an issue with some guys not being able to play as well without a days rest.

nixluva wrote:Neither Rose nor Jennings are strong defenders. It remains to be seen how the team covers for some of that. Also neither of them are great shooters either. The rotation after the top 7 is untested. We have to see how Hornacek handles his rotations not only for in game production but also for how he manages the vets minutes. Overall the consistency could be an issue with some guys not being able to play as well without a days rest.

thats a fair concern. our point guards arent good defenders. but its not the "biggest" concern because we have two 7fters as goaltenders to help out

yes shooting is a concern.. (ugh really wish we kept gallo!! yeah i was a galloway fan)

great point about hornecek handles mins aqnd rotations

bench after top 7 is untested- we agree

so i agree nixluva, were pretty much on the same page

Defense...
Bench should be fine if not a pleasant surprise.
Bench may became the best and only bright spot of the season if things will go bad with starters health which is a big probability.

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

callmened wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

callmened wrote:yep. i wish we had some more proven vets off the bench. these kids MIGHT be good but i dont know that. until they prove themselves the bench is my concern. if they kept galloway i'd feel a LIL bit better.

PG Jennings
SG Galloway
SF Henderson (for example)
PF Lance Thomas
C OQuinn

now thats a bench id like...no superstars...but solid vets

instead he have
PG Jennings
SG Holiday - still unproven to me
SF Lithuanian kid - looks athletic
PF Lance Thomas
C QOuinn

yeah i worry about the unproven players we have on the bench

So getting a dime a dozen combo guard and a dime a dozen swing man makes a difference in the depth?

what are your concerns? Or is it all just perfect?

i apologize for not making myself clear. i simply wish we had more VETERAN depth. thats all. i would feel more comfortable. thats just my opinion though.

- the lithuanian kid and holiday could be great. i hope so but theyre still relatively unproven.
- ive never been a jennings fan.
- i like lance if he can stay healthy.

the bench is def a concern and if you would ask the pro's around the league they would say the same thing.

Of course everything can turn out peaches but as of now, this bench is unproven and until proven ....

You are exaggerating the issue. We have a better top 7 than last year! Players 8,9 and 10 will not have to carry a serious load.

Hornacek is not planning a platoon style rotation, just because he doesn't want to put too much on role players. His plan to stagger his top players is an excellent plan!

so you're expecting no injuries?

I never said there would be no injuries. I do think this team is better set up to prevent fatigue related injury and to handle random things like a twisted ankle. It's a good roster.

We have Rose, Melo, KP and Jennings as guys who be focal points on offense and can create their own shots and that will give Hornacek the ability to stagger his rotations so that we don't play any significant time without one or more them on the floor. This is a HUGE development. I really don't think some fans or media are paying attention to this. When you have those kind of players it means you can run an effective offense and not be subject to a drastic drop off in your offensive effectiveness.

Then you have Lee and Holiday who I think can give this team some quality 3nD minutes. Neither guy needs the ball to be effective and both can defend. Holiday is a 6-6 SG with a 7-1 wingspan and he can defend. I think with a more consistent role Holiday can be an effective reserve.

Players 8, 9, and 10 are going to cover those injury minutes

When the NBA regular season start each team need 9 to 11 players going strong in their rotation each game to gain a gelling chemistry amongst several teammates throughout the first 25 games. The standard 7 man rotation are mostly used during the postseason games.

The Knicks are starting the 2016-17 regular season having 8 to 10 new players on the roster again, the Knicks has decade cycle of adding 8 to 10 new players to the roster each season need to be change to 3 to 5 new players to become a successful winning team each season.
The Knicks having only 1 guard (Sasha) return from last season, plus equating a 6.7 natural big-guard Lance Thomas into a forward last season lead to early injuries to Lance Thomas missing half of the midseason games.
O'Quinn receiving spot minutes and DNP every other game because of foolish coaching last season never received much of a chance to be part of the rotation, plus all the hype on KP shooting 3 balls never let KP establish a inside scoring and rebounding game leaving him still a raw rookie for the 2nd season. And Carmelo Anthony showed his 32 age after playing the first 40 games last season.

Team Defense will be the number one weakness for the Knicks this following season again, the Knicks captain Carmelo Anthony has never showed much effort on defense for his teammates to follow in suit to become an average defensive team. The Knicks bench unit were their best defensive lineup last year.

The Knicks offensive scoring may be the bright side of the team in the 2016-17 season depending on how coach Hornacek system divide the three 20 point scorer players in the rotation (Melo, Rose, KP). Coach Hornacek likes a lot of ball movement and uptempo running fast break baskets. The Knicks having a great screening/passing center Noah at the top of the post will provide much scoring in a halfcourt set.

I still believe KP coming off the bench for 15 to 25 points, 7 to 10 rebounds, and 1 to 3 blocks could help the team rotation better alongside Jennings, Lance Thomas, and Quinn.