Knicks · Bulls Owner- Noah is no longer a front guy (page 1)
“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”
This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left
Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.
I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.
mreinman wrote:yes ... reported this yesterday. I guess we should take him at his word? I mean ... who would know better then Jerry Reinsdorf? Or is it different here and this would only work when it works for us?
I guess it matters base on how you use a player, and who you surround him with. Bosh and Love were super stars, but when they stared playing next to 2 other stars, they became role players to a certain extent.
I definitely don't think its a drop off from Lopez.
Joakim Noah's Offseason Knee Surgery More Serious Than Expected
NOV 30, 2014 2:29 AMJoakim Noah posted 15 points, 14 rebounds, six assists and six blocks in the Chicago Bulls' win over the Boston Celtics on Friday.
Noah is still regaining 100 percent form physically and is confident he will reach that point this season.
"There is no question in my mind — 100 percent — that I can get to where I want to be physically this season," Noah said. "I have to be positive. I know how far I've come just in the last month."
Noah acknowledged the seriousness of the May 2014 knee surgery, which the Bulls originally termed minor and needing an eight- to 12-week rehabilitation period. Both Noah and the Bulls acknowledged on the eve of training camp that a longer recovery period prohibited Noah from playing full court all offseason.
And Noah has remained on minutes restrictions all season.
"It was more than a scope," Noah said. "That's what it was supposed to be. So it definitely took longer than we expected. But it's nothing that I can't recover from and be back 100 percent and be right."
The Knicks doctors no doubt got a look at his medical and did an MRI on the guy. The thing is that Noah has maintained his passing, pick setting and Rebounding prowess, which is pretty much all we need from him.
Per 36 Minutes
Season
▼ Age Tm Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2015-16 30 CHI C 29 2 635 2.9 7.5 .383 2.9 7.5 .386 1.2 2.6 .489 4.9 9.5 14.5 6.2 1.0 1.6 2.9 4.4 7.0
2014-15 29 CHI C 67 67 2049 3.3 7.5 .445 3.3 7.5 .447 1.8 3.1 .603 3.8 7.5 11.3 5.5 0.8 1.3 2.2 3.6 8.5
2013-14 28 CHI C 80 80 2820 4.9 10.2 .475 4.9 10.2 .476 3.2 4.3 .737 3.6 7.9 11.5 5.5 1.3 1.5 2.5 3.1 12.9
2012-13 27 CHI C 66 64 2426 4.5 9.3 .481 4.5 9.3 .485 2.6 3.5 .751 3.9 7.0 10.9 3.9 1.2 2.1 2.6 2.7 11.6
Career 572 465 16848 4.3 8.8 .490 4.3 8.8 .492 2.7 3.8 .711 4.1 7.4 11.5 3.6 1.0 1.7 2.2 3.5 11.4
EnySpree wrote:Anybody care what Dolan has to say about basketball?
Nope.
Regarding reinsdorf, he is HOF owner who has made mistakes before, but he was the guy that hired Krause who was an unusual hire, and he in turn hired Phil which was also bit out there as a hire. Phil had only been an assistant before and was given a underachieving contender. Ballsy.
As for Noah and Rose the question of paying them big money is one he answered. I respect his decision to sort of rebuild. I think Rondo did not cost nearly as much as rose would have. Dwade was sort of unplanned starphuch that fell in his lap. Noah a front line guy? Well, Noah will have to answer that with his play over the next few years.
knicks1248 wrote:“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left
Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.
I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.
I'm not a fan of those signings but there's much less risk with a 2 year contract than a 4 year one.
knicks1248 wrote:Of all the risks Noah is the biggest in that regard, however there is a big difference and that is the role we are asking Noah to play here. Amare/McDyess were brought in to be alpha players and cornerstones. They were supposed to be the leaders on the court. Even with his large salary Noah is 100% a role player. He's the 5th scoring option in the starting lineup. He will certainly be relied on to defend the post and facilitate on offense. Ideally Noah is healthy and a big contributor for most of the year. If he isn't and we get half a season from him it would be great if he's healthy for a playoff run, but even if that doesn't happy losing Noah doesn't immediately mean the season is over. Losing McDyess mean the season was over in October.“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left
Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.
I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.
I 100% understand why the Bulls would want to move away from Rose/Noah... plateau, get a different look, didn't want to financially commit, etc... but those are also very talented players and talent in the NBA is not easy to get. Knick fans certainly know that. Will Rondo/Wade/Lopez upgrade them from Rose/Noah/Gasol? Time will tell.
Knicks core is KP and Melo, and Rose is on audition. Noah is a solid role guy that Im ok with taking the risk. Not a starphuch signing.
Rondo-Dwade-Butler is a lot of talent. Their Yoots will determine the future.
Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left
Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.
I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.
I'm not a fan of those signings but there's much less risk with a 2 year contract than a 4 year one.
Feel like that they are at worst on par with each other. Wade will be 35 and Noah 32 mid-season; Wade seems to base more of his talents on athleticism playing a position that demands it more. Also, at the tail end of Noah's contract there is no doubt in my mind that his role with the team would be diminished by the presence of KP playing same position.
martin wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left
Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.
I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.
I'm not a fan of those signings but there's much less risk with a 2 year contract than a 4 year one.Feel like that they are at worst on par with each other. Wade will be 35 and Noah 32 mid-season; Wade seems to base more of his talents on athleticism playing a position that demands it more. Also, at the tail end of Noah's contract there is no doubt in my mind that his role with the team would be diminished by the presence of KP playing same position.
I'm saying the risk (worst possible outcome) is worse in our case. The possible reward is also higher if Noah stays healthy and productive all 4 years.
Bonn1997 wrote:Agree Bonn... but the Knicks and Noah makes more sense on many levels. Who is behind Wade? Everyone knows that Noah is a stop gap and when his contract is up KP is 25. That is an ideal time to determine who/what pieces fit best next to KP moving forward. In the meantime Noah's upside is he steps into Lopez's role and helps to anchor what could be a fantastic defensive frontcourt. Noah's downside is he's a part time player with limited effectiveness and if that is the case you hope and assume (based on his character and love of the Knicks) that he brings something to table in terms of mentoring KP and Willy. Maybe we get some mix of both.martin wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left
Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.
I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.
I'm not a fan of those signings but there's much less risk with a 2 year contract than a 4 year one.Feel like that they are at worst on par with each other. Wade will be 35 and Noah 32 mid-season; Wade seems to base more of his talents on athleticism playing a position that demands it more. Also, at the tail end of Noah's contract there is no doubt in my mind that his role with the team would be diminished by the presence of KP playing same position.
I'm saying the risk (worst possible outcome) is worse in our case. The possible reward is also higher if Noah stays healthy and productive all 4 years.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report...
Though front-office meetings have yet to finalize the Bulls' Plan A for this offseason, there is strong internal desire to re-sign Noah on a short-term deal. Noah long has been a favorite player and ambassador of Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf. Executive vice president John Paxson drafted Noah, and their bond is genuine.
It will take work, not to mention money, to win back Noah, who disliked the false story Fred Hoiberg spread at the start of the season that he volunteered to come off the bench. He then disliked playing just 20 minutes per game and not finishing them more.
But Hoiberg had started to play Noah more before his first shoulder injury in December. And Noah remains invested enough in the team to question Jimmy Butler and Derrick Rose for their silence at the April 3 team meeting, according to several people present.
EnySpree wrote:Anybody care what Dolan has to say about basketball?
obviously not ... are they the same?
Bonn1997 wrote:martin wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left
Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.
I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.
I'm not a fan of those signings but there's much less risk with a 2 year contract than a 4 year one.Feel like that they are at worst on par with each other. Wade will be 35 and Noah 32 mid-season; Wade seems to base more of his talents on athleticism playing a position that demands it more. Also, at the tail end of Noah's contract there is no doubt in my mind that his role with the team would be diminished by the presence of KP playing same position.
I'm saying the risk (worst possible outcome) is worse in our case. The possible reward is also higher if Noah stays healthy and productive all 4 years.
Besides Rondo being a much better player at this point than Rose, they gave up nothing to get him while netting Lopez and Grant for a very shaky Rose. That was a great move.
Wade ... he is definitely on the downside of his career and I am not sure if that was a good move but with the crazy contracts given out over the summer and Wade being on a short deal, it may work if they don't over use him.
Lopez will shine with that team, I hope they appreciate what he brings even though it does not always look pretty.
Chicago simply bet against Rose and Noah's health.
fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Of all the risks Noah is the biggest in that regard, however there is a big difference and that is the role we are asking Noah to play here. Amare/McDyess were brought in to be alpha players and cornerstones. They were supposed to be the leaders on the court. Even with his large salary Noah is 100% a role player. He's the 5th scoring option in the starting lineup. He will certainly be relied on to defend the post and facilitate on offense. Ideally Noah is healthy and a big contributor for most of the year. If he isn't and we get half a season from him it would be great if he's healthy for a playoff run, but even if that doesn't happy losing Noah doesn't immediately mean the season is over. Losing McDyess mean the season was over in October.“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left
Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.
I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.
I 100% understand why the Bulls would want to move away from Rose/Noah... plateau, get a different look, didn't want to financially commit, etc... but those are also very talented players and talent in the NBA is not easy to get. Knick fans certainly know that. Will Rondo/Wade/Lopez upgrade them from Rose/Noah/Gasol? Time will tell.
You make a good point about Noah's role on the Knicks vs the Bulls. Been posting what a big fan of Noah's Ive been since joining, but again it goes back to the length of the deal, while factoring in how that may or may not affect the quality of the team around KP down the road.
We've had many coaches in succession who threw caution to the wind when it came to keeping vets relatively healthy. I really hope Hornacek keeps the minutes of players with chronic injuries in check until a possible playoff run. Its what did in the 54 win season, dont want to see a repeat of that.
I believe Rondo respects Wade enough not to throw a wrench in the works if he doesn't get his way. Wade has more rings, more cred. Im guessing that if Wade has another strong season the Bulls will do well. Would be fun to meet them in the playoffs.
Bonn1997 wrote:martin wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”4 y
This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ leftTruth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.
I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.
I'm not a fan of those signings but there's much less risk with a 2 year contract than a 4 year one.Feel like that they are at worst on par with each other. Wade will be 35 and Noah 32 mid-season; Wade seems to base more of his talents on athleticism playing a position that demands it more. Also, at the tail end of Noah's contract there is no doubt in my mind that his role with the team would be diminished by the presence of KP playing same position.
I'm saying the risk (worst possible outcome) is worse in our case. The possible reward is also higher if Noah stays healthy and productive all 4 years.
If we had signed wade, phil would have been killed for signing a bunch of players with major health issues,but the way I see it, your a risk the minute you step on the field, court, as long as your playing sports, it's like a 99% chance of you getting some kind of injury.
GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Of all the risks Noah is the biggest in that regard, however there is a big difference and that is the role we are asking Noah to play here. Amare/McDyess were brought in to be alpha players and cornerstones. They were supposed to be the leaders on the court. Even with his large salary Noah is 100% a role player. He's the 5th scoring option in the starting lineup. He will certainly be relied on to defend the post and facilitate on offense. Ideally Noah is healthy and a big contributor for most of the year. If he isn't and we get half a season from him it would be great if he's healthy for a playoff run, but even if that doesn't happy losing Noah doesn't immediately mean the season is over. Losing McDyess mean the season was over in October.“What we felt was it was time. We felt Joakim wasn’t going to be a frontline guy anymore. I was pretty confident that Pau (Gasol) was going to leave. So it was important for us to get the center in (Robin) Lopez.”This guy just signed wade and rondo, who are close to Rose level as far as (games missed) and has the nerve to point out Noah's status...As if he's won anything since MJ left
Truth be told, i hope this doesn't turned into a Amare/camby/Mcdyess/Rasheed Catastrophe the knicks are so famous for.
I would be happy with 2 boarder line all star years from Noah, good enough to attract another big name FA.
I 100% understand why the Bulls would want to move away from Rose/Noah... plateau, get a different look, didn't want to financially commit, etc... but those are also very talented players and talent in the NBA is not easy to get. Knick fans certainly know that. Will Rondo/Wade/Lopez upgrade them from Rose/Noah/Gasol? Time will tell.
You make a good point about Noah's role on the Knicks vs the Bulls. Been posting what a big fan of Noah's Ive been since joining, but again it goes back to the length of the deal, while factoring in how that may or may not affect the quality of the team around KP down the road.
We've had many coaches in succession who threw caution to the wind when it came to keeping vets relatively healthy. I really hope Hornacek keeps the minutes of players with chronic injuries in check until a possible playoff run. Its what did in the 54 win season, dont want to see a repeat of that.
I believe Rondo respects Wade enough not to throw a wrench in the works if he doesn't get his way. Wade has more rings, more cred. Im guessing that if Wade has another strong season the Bulls will do well. Would be fun to meet them in the playoffs.
The Knicks Medical and Training Staff actually did a good job last year in terms of keeping players relatively healthy.
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There are your Knicks, solidly in the bottom half of the league in man-games lost to injury.
But if I may apply causation to correlation here, I reckon New York's new-ish training staff had something to do with that chart up there. Phil Jackson shifted and added some personnel (junior, not the doctors) before the 2015-2016 season, and the organization's habits seemed to change in step. We saw way fewer vague post-game injury reports, way more sudden rest days and players annoyed with the trainers. Annoying players is a good thing! Constant appraisal of "healthy" players' statuses isn't new, but the doctors' level of influence -- a coaching staff basically beholden to their recommendations -- felt unprecedented for the Knicks. And -- again, thanks in part to luck -- it paid off:
http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7...
crzymdups wrote:Funny, Reinsdorf wanted him back before free agency.Noah is all in as a leader. The bulls just added Rondo. They also seemingly got rid of a ball dominant player to appease another guy that needs the ball in Butler. Why do you bring in Wade and Rondo if you are remaking the team? I wish he would have commented on that.http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report...
Though front-office meetings have yet to finalize the Bulls' Plan A for this offseason, there is strong internal desire to re-sign Noah on a short-term deal. Noah long has been a favorite player and ambassador of Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf. Executive vice president John Paxson drafted Noah, and their bond is genuine.
It will take work, not to mention money, to win back Noah, who disliked the false story Fred Hoiberg spread at the start of the season that he volunteered to come off the bench. He then disliked playing just 20 minutes per game and not finishing them more.
But Hoiberg had started to play Noah more before his first shoulder injury in December. And Noah remains invested enough in the team to question Jimmy Butler and Derrick Rose for their silence at the April 3 team meeting, according to several people present.