SocraticBallin22 wrote:crzymdups wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Going to be players cut we dont want to see cut. I suppose its a good thing, means there is talent on this squad beyond the starters. Hopefully Phil and co. make the right moves
Yeah I can't imagine who it'll be. No Plum-lord tonight though.
Starters played close to starter minutes tonight in the final tuneup. No Plum, Tokoto and Lou. It's safe to say these are the 3 cuts.
Yeah I think Tokoto and Amundson are goners. I'd be sort of surprised if Plumlee was though. I guess that means one of Baker or Randle would have to go though.
NDour got early minutes tonight but not late ones. I wonder if he's on the bubble.
crzymdups wrote:Knicks scoring a lot of points. Not sure if it's just because of pre-season or the faster pace. Interesting thing is they've scored a ton of points the last two games without shooting the three well at all. A little bummed to see KP look so tentative out there with Melo tonight.
The close outs on three point shooters need to improve. A decent shooting team would have beat the Knicks by 20 tonight.
They look much more comfortable in their system and running their sets (especially against Boston last night). There is no hesitancy. They have a good rhythm and are pushing the pace looking for easy buckets--something that was non-existent last year. Also, our guards are able to break down defenses and penetrate now. We're going to be able to score much more easier this year. And the coaching, although it's only the preseason, looks so much better than Fish and Rambo, or is it just me?!?
You could see a tangible difference.
crzymdups wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:crzymdups wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Going to be players cut we dont want to see cut. I suppose its a good thing, means there is talent on this squad beyond the starters. Hopefully Phil and co. make the right moves
Yeah I can't imagine who it'll be. No Plum-lord tonight though.
Starters played close to starter minutes tonight in the final tuneup. No Plum, Tokoto and Lou. It's safe to say these are the 3 cuts.
Yeah I think Tokoto and Amundson are goners. I'd be sort of surprised if Plumlee was though. I guess that means one of Baker or Randle would have to go though.
NDour got early minutes tonight but not late ones. I wonder if he's on the bubble.
It sounded like one non guaranteed guy might make the roster. If Plumlee and Lou are cut that would be two guaranteed guys cut. I think Baker or Randle make the team. I think Baker might have the edge because of versatility and Randle's injury.
SocraticBallin22 wrote:crzymdups wrote:Knicks scoring a lot of points. Not sure if it's just because of pre-season or the faster pace. Interesting thing is they've scored a ton of points the last two games without shooting the three well at all. A little bummed to see KP look so tentative out there with Melo tonight.
The close outs on three point shooters need to improve. A decent shooting team would have beat the Knicks by 20 tonight.
They look much more comfortable in their system and running their sets (especially against Boston last night). There is no hesitancy. They have a good rhythm and are pushing the pace looking for easy buckets--something that was non-existent last year. Also, our guards are able to break down defenses and penetrate now. We're going to be able to score much more easier this year. And the coaching, although it's only the preseason, looks so much better than Fish and Rambo, or is it just me?!?
You could see a tangible difference.
Yeah I already like Hornacek a lot more than I ever liked Fisber. Obviously I hated Rambis.
crzymdups wrote:Knicks scoring a lot of points. Not sure if it's just because of pre-season or the faster pace. Interesting thing is they've scored a ton of points the last two games without shooting the three well at all. A little bummed to see KP look so tentative out there with Melo tonight.
The close outs on three point shooters need to improve. A decent shooting team would have beat the Knicks by 20 tonight.
KP is playing a different role so far, spending most of his time beyond the arc, not posting up at all. Both of them camping beyond the arc, hard to get a two man game going that way vs inside/out.
I get the feeling that if KP doesn't establish a low post game, he isn't going to get the calls he should. Refs are going to want to see him battle under the rim to get friendly calls with his size. Dont want to see KP turned into Bargs, he's capable of more.
GustavBahler wrote:crzymdups wrote:Knicks scoring a lot of points. Not sure if it's just because of pre-season or the faster pace. Interesting thing is they've scored a ton of points the last two games without shooting the three well at all. A little bummed to see KP look so tentative out there with Melo tonight.
The close outs on three point shooters need to improve. A decent shooting team would have beat the Knicks by 20 tonight.
KP is playing a different role so far, spending most of his time beyond the arc, not posting up at all. Both of them camping beyond the arc, hard to get a two man game going that way vs inside/out.
I get the feeling that if KP doesn't establish a low post game, he isn't going to get the calls he should. Refs are going to want to see him battle under the rim to get friendly calls with his size. Dont want to see KP turned into Bargs, he's capable of more.
He played inside a lot more last night with Melo out. Lots of great drives for layups and a few cuts off Noah passes. Agree that we need to see more of that. He's no Bargnani. He's silky smooth in the high post.
crzymdups wrote:GustavBahler wrote:crzymdups wrote:Knicks scoring a lot of points. Not sure if it's just because of pre-season or the faster pace. Interesting thing is they've scored a ton of points the last two games without shooting the three well at all. A little bummed to see KP look so tentative out there with Melo tonight.
The close outs on three point shooters need to improve. A decent shooting team would have beat the Knicks by 20 tonight.
KP is playing a different role so far, spending most of his time beyond the arc, not posting up at all. Both of them camping beyond the arc, hard to get a two man game going that way vs inside/out.
I get the feeling that if KP doesn't establish a low post game, he isn't going to get the calls he should. Refs are going to want to see him battle under the rim to get friendly calls with his size. Dont want to see KP turned into Bargs, he's capable of more.
He played inside a lot more last night with Melo out. Lots of great drives for layups and a few cuts off Noah passes. Agree that we need to see more of that. He's no Bargnani. He's silky smooth in the high post.
KP is definitely going to the rim in transition, but they aren't really playing off each other because they both stand a few feet from each other behind the 3 point line. Hard to get a two man game going that way IMO.
Wasnt suggesting that they were equally talented, was suggesting that KP is being given a role (right now) better suited for someone like Bargs.
GustavBahler wrote:crzymdups wrote:GustavBahler wrote:crzymdups wrote:Knicks scoring a lot of points. Not sure if it's just because of pre-season or the faster pace. Interesting thing is they've scored a ton of points the last two games without shooting the three well at all. A little bummed to see KP look so tentative out there with Melo tonight.
The close outs on three point shooters need to improve. A decent shooting team would have beat the Knicks by 20 tonight.
KP is playing a different role so far, spending most of his time beyond the arc, not posting up at all. Both of them camping beyond the arc, hard to get a two man game going that way vs inside/out.
I get the feeling that if KP doesn't establish a low post game, he isn't going to get the calls he should. Refs are going to want to see him battle under the rim to get friendly calls with his size. Dont want to see KP turned into Bargs, he's capable of more.
He played inside a lot more last night with Melo out. Lots of great drives for layups and a few cuts off Noah passes. Agree that we need to see more of that. He's no Bargnani. He's silky smooth in the high post.
KP is definitely going to the rim in transition, but they aren't really playing off each other because they both stand a few feet from each other behind the 3 point line. Hard to get a two man game going that way IMO.
Wasnt suggesting that they were equally talented, was suggesting that KP is being given a role (right now) better suited for someone like Bargs.
Oh yeah. I hear you.
Also, DRose is going to totally change the dynamic of the starting lineup. So that'll be interesting to see.
crzymdups wrote:GustavBahler wrote:crzymdups wrote:GustavBahler wrote:crzymdups wrote:Knicks scoring a lot of points. Not sure if it's just because of pre-season or the faster pace. Interesting thing is they've scored a ton of points the last two games without shooting the three well at all. A little bummed to see KP look so tentative out there with Melo tonight.
The close outs on three point shooters need to improve. A decent shooting team would have beat the Knicks by 20 tonight.
KP is playing a different role so far, spending most of his time beyond the arc, not posting up at all. Both of them camping beyond the arc, hard to get a two man game going that way vs inside/out.
I get the feeling that if KP doesn't establish a low post game, he isn't going to get the calls he should. Refs are going to want to see him battle under the rim to get friendly calls with his size. Dont want to see KP turned into Bargs, he's capable of more.
He played inside a lot more last night with Melo out. Lots of great drives for layups and a few cuts off Noah passes. Agree that we need to see more of that. He's no Bargnani. He's silky smooth in the high post.
KP is definitely going to the rim in transition, but they aren't really playing off each other because they both stand a few feet from each other behind the 3 point line. Hard to get a two man game going that way IMO.
Wasnt suggesting that they were equally talented, was suggesting that KP is being given a role (right now) better suited for someone like Bargs.
Oh yeah. I hear you.
Also, DRose is going to totally change the dynamic of the starting lineup. So that'll be interesting to see.
Absolutely, I agree its going to be an interesting season and a challenge for Hornacek to get the most out of his roster. He has a good selection of weapons to choose from.
i am pretty sure it's tokoto, amundsen, and n'dour who get cut at this point. it'll be interesting to see what hornacek decides with the backcourt. rose and jennings seem to be the presumptive point guards but i would not be surprised if their minutes get eaten into by vujacic and baker, who are clearly better team players and better-suited to the triangle and much better shooters. this season can't be a popularity contest or favoritism and sentimentality. rose and jennings are on one-year auditions who could very easily torpedo the team with crappy play on both ends of the court.
dk7th wrote:i am pretty sure it's tokoto, amundsen, and n'dour who get cut at this point. it'll be interesting to see what hornacek decides with the backcourt. rose and jennings seem to be the presumptive point guards but i would not be surprised if their minutes get eaten into by vujacic and baker, who are clearly better team players and better-suited to the triangle and much better shooters. this season can't be a popularity contest or favoritism and sentimentality. rose and jennings are on one-year auditions who could very easily torpedo the team with crappy play on both ends of the court.
I'm just glad we have such quality depth at guard. So many years of poor guard play and now Phil actually loaded up at the guard spots.
dk7th wrote:rose and jennings seem to be the presumptive point guards but i would not be surprised if their minutes get eaten into by vujacic and baker, who are clearly better team players and better-suited to the triangle and much better shooters.
Vujacic and Baker looked like Triangle players . . .
I am just concerned with the defense at times and baker seems like he can't keep up with the guards who are fast with the dribble
mattshaw78 wrote:I am just concerned with the defense at times and baker seems like he can't keep up with the guards who are fast with the dribble
he's still a better overall defender than ennings and rose....
EnySpree wrote:mattshaw78 wrote:I am just concerned with the defense at times and baker seems like he can't keep up with the guards who are fast with the dribble
Not many can
Funny. I actually thought he did well statying in front of Lin. That is a hard thing to do without being too physical with Lin.
nixluva wrote:dk7th wrote:i am pretty sure it's tokoto, amundsen, and n'dour who get cut at this point. it'll be interesting to see what hornacek decides with the backcourt. rose and jennings seem to be the presumptive point guards but i would not be surprised if their minutes get eaten into by vujacic and baker, who are clearly better team players and better-suited to the triangle and much better shooters. this season can't be a popularity contest or favoritism and sentimentality. rose and jennings are on one-year auditions who could very easily torpedo the team with crappy play on both ends of the court.
I'm just glad we have such quality depth at guard. So many years of poor guard play and now Phil actually loaded up at the guard spots.
this ^. i am very excited with the depth. FWIW the last couple of games it was the second stringers who beat the other team's second stringers
Chandler wrote:nixluva wrote:dk7th wrote:i am pretty sure it's tokoto, amundsen, and n'dour who get cut at this point. it'll be interesting to see what hornacek decides with the backcourt. rose and jennings seem to be the presumptive point guards but i would not be surprised if their minutes get eaten into by vujacic and baker, who are clearly better team players and better-suited to the triangle and much better shooters. this season can't be a popularity contest or favoritism and sentimentality. rose and jennings are on one-year auditions who could very easily torpedo the team with crappy play on both ends of the court.
I'm just glad we have such quality depth at guard. So many years of poor guard play and now Phil actually loaded up at the guard spots.
this ^. i am very excited with the depth. FWIW the last couple of games it was the second stringers who beat the other team's second stringers
baker plays better with the starters and with the bench than ennings does. i want to see him get 16 minutes a game. we need cerebral players to run the offense properly and efficiently, not shot-jacking gnats.
Lou, tokoto and Randle I think will be cut. Randle will be signed with westchester. This is due to the injury. This is my best guess
I am not really worried about guys getting "cut." If Plumlee and NDour go to the Dleague they will be the first guys called up. Nothing wrong with using Westchester to develop these guys. Same with Baker. I am sure Baker sticks because Randle is out for a few weeks, but if Randle wasn't hurt I think he would be up and Baker would be the starter at Westchester which is fine. I recall Langston playing very well in both the SL and preseason and I think the Knicks handled his development very well.
I don't really care who goes or stays... they have assembled a good cast and let the chips fall where they may. I liked Sasha as a pure spot starter reserve guy but he's earned regular rotation minutes with his play and shooting. Based on his play he may have even beaten out Jennings for first guard off bench as Sasha can play some 1,2 or 3. I also wanted to see Willy win the rotation spot but KOQ has played great, there are no buts about it, he's earned any mins the staff gives him. Nothing handed there. Good job for KOQ.
My 2 disappointments have been Lance and the lack of DadMelo
