Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:Finestrg wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:same article came out the other day about Phil helping during a practice and the coach and several players gushing about the synergy. Generally as a rule of thumb.. anything Byron Scott says, figure the opposite.
I somewhat agree... but did you see the interview with Hornacek where they asked him about this? He's already annoyed at the question. We all know NY is a tough media market - this perception is not gonna help Hornacek. It's early, but this is something I could see turning into a problem. And is Rambis saying what Hornacek is saying? Or is he telling players to listen to Phil? Again, it's early, but I could see it becoming an issue.
And really, they scored 111pts against Memphis. The offense wasn't the issue - it was the defense. Phil pulls Courtney Lee aside after he goes 6-11 for 16pts... next game after his private session with Phil, Lee goes 3-7 with 7pts and doesn't hit a shot after the first five minutes of the game. Did Phil help him? Maybe the benefits show up down the road. But watching the Memphis game, the team's offense didn't seem to be the issue. The defense did. Phil comes in to tinker with the offense and the Knicks go scoreless the last six minutes of a winnable game against Detroit, still have the same defensive issues. Just doesn't look good. And this isn't just going off one incident - we know Phil has stepped in before when he hasn't felt the Triangle was being run correctly. See Derek Fisher.
Agreed. I think there's something to this as well. Back way off, Phil, and let Horn run the team the way he sees fit. Any meddling could cost us games--it could be costing us games already for all we know. All I wanna see Phil do is go to Jeff eventually and say, "what do you think we need? Steve and I will try to find it for you." That's it.
How do you know he didnt? How do you know Phil didnt offer and JH said sure! great!
Yeah, we don't know - it's all speculation. But I think it's fair to say the offense looked worse directly after Phil's input. Courtney Lee looked a lot worse after a one on one.
With the history here of Phil firing Fisher at least in part because Fisher wasn't open to Phil visiting practices (Phil said as much), this is definitely fair to raise as an issue.
As anyone who has coached or managed a team can tell you - multiple voices in the room can get tricky.
We don't know how it'll shake out, obviously. At this point I'm just wondering if it will be an issue. The phrase "coaching from the tenth row" has been following Phil around his entire tenure with the Knicks and given the overall record, I think it is fair to question how well that is working.
To me it is one thing to do that with a team of young guys you're trying to mould. But with a team of veterans that is clearly meant to be something of a win-now team, at least for this season, I question if that is the productive way to develop the team chemistry. Time and the win-loss column will eventually tell. It is clear we have a talented group here - probably the most talent since 2012-3... the question is what is the best way forward with this win-now group?
Good, fair analysis. Man, the thought of Phil meddling with Jeff to this degree after only a couple of games is so not right, the more you think about it.
meddling is what you call it. Do you know the circumstances? The conversations? Phil has nothing to offer JH in practices? If Allan Houston helped Justin Holiday work on his jumper is he meddling with the coaching staff? I mean your taking 5% of the information and creating the other 95% of the story. This is nuts. Everything is not always negative. Shockingly some folks actually enjoy working with others. What makes you think JH is threatened?
