Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Lampe wasnt given a chance to develop and he needed that time. He actually had a nice career in Europe and came back to play against nba competition for preseason and did well. It was a different climate as far as developing players back then. The Knicks didn't give him a chance worth even bringing up. And give all credit to Kristaps.... this kid is special. He's been an nba player from the time he was a youth. Give Phil the credit for believing in his scouts and believing his eyes and his heart like the rest of us basketball junkies. Kristaps is the real deal
What are you talking about? How was he not given a chance to develop?There are a ton of players who play well in Europe but aren't good enough to play here. Nothing wrong with it, just means they weren't NBA talents or had no interest in competing against the best.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Click this link and then you can see what I'm talking about.
EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Lampe wasnt given a chance to develop and he needed that time. He actually had a nice career in Europe and came back to play against nba competition for preseason and did well. It was a different climate as far as developing players back then. The Knicks didn't give him a chance worth even bringing up. And give all credit to Kristaps.... this kid is special. He's been an nba player from the time he was a youth. Give Phil the credit for believing in his scouts and believing his eyes and his heart like the rest of us basketball junkies. Kristaps is the real deal
What are you talking about? How was he not given a chance to develop?There are a ton of players who play well in Europe but aren't good enough to play here. Nothing wrong with it, just means they weren't NBA talents or had no interest in competing against the best.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Click this link and then you can see what I'm talking about.
That exactly what I was looking at before I made my post. Nobody just threw him to the lion at age 18. He was certainly brought along slowly, he just wasn't very good. You really think he was good but they just decided not to give him playing time?
Welpee wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Lampe was a "typical" Euro player - could shoot, pass, smart, etc. But he was not a defensive presence nor athletic.
They did talk about him being a lotto pick, but he "slid" right to us. 
Scott Layden considered drafting him high in the first round but he dropped all the way to the second round. That should've been a major clue of what to expect.
I remember watching the draft that year and hoping we would draft the kid, maybe in the first (but I thought that was high with out lotto pick).
I thought he was mid round 1st talent. For whatever reason, the kid just failed. The mental scars were a lot for him.
Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Lampe wasnt given a chance to develop and he needed that time. He actually had a nice career in Europe and came back to play against nba competition for preseason and did well. It was a different climate as far as developing players back then. The Knicks didn't give him a chance worth even bringing up. And give all credit to Kristaps.... this kid is special. He's been an nba player from the time he was a youth. Give Phil the credit for believing in his scouts and believing his eyes and his heart like the rest of us basketball junkies. Kristaps is the real deal
What are you talking about? How was he not given a chance to develop?There are a ton of players who play well in Europe but aren't good enough to play here. Nothing wrong with it, just means they weren't NBA talents or had no interest in competing against the best.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Click this link and then you can see what I'm talking about.
That exactly what I was looking at before I made my post. Nobody just threw him to the lion at age 18. He was certainly brought along slowly, he just wasn't very good. You really think he was good but they just decided not to give him playing time?
Did I say that? Playing time and player development have nothing to do with each other. Lampe never played a regular season game with the Knicks. Lampe was 18 when drafted. 3 seasons later at age 20 he was out the league. That's why I asked you to click the link to save me the time of writing that out. 20 years old and out the league isn't developing a player. He was on 5 different teams. Nobody gave him a chance. That is pretty much a fact
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EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Lampe wasnt given a chance to develop and he needed that time. He actually had a nice career in Europe and came back to play against nba competition for preseason and did well. It was a different climate as far as developing players back then. The Knicks didn't give him a chance worth even bringing up. And give all credit to Kristaps.... this kid is special. He's been an nba player from the time he was a youth. Give Phil the credit for believing in his scouts and believing his eyes and his heart like the rest of us basketball junkies. Kristaps is the real deal
What are you talking about? How was he not given a chance to develop?There are a ton of players who play well in Europe but aren't good enough to play here. Nothing wrong with it, just means they weren't NBA talents or had no interest in competing against the best.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Click this link and then you can see what I'm talking about.
That exactly what I was looking at before I made my post. Nobody just threw him to the lion at age 18. He was certainly brought along slowly, he just wasn't very good. You really think he was good but they just decided not to give him playing time?
Did I say that? Playing time and player development have nothing to do with each other. Lampe never played a regular season game with the Knicks. Lampe was 18 when drafted. 3 seasons later at age 20 he was out the league. That's why I asked you to click the link to save me the time of writing that out. 20 years old and out the league isn't developing a player. He was on 5 different teams. Nobody gave him a chance. That is pretty much a fact
You don't waste time developing players after you find out they're aren't very good. How much time did we spend trying to develop Michael Sweetney, #9 pick in the draft? Once you find out a dude sucks you cut your losses and move on. That's what happened with Lampe. How many more years were they suppose to invest developing him once they determined he sucked on the NBA level?
Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Lampe wasnt given a chance to develop and he needed that time. He actually had a nice career in Europe and came back to play against nba competition for preseason and did well. It was a different climate as far as developing players back then. The Knicks didn't give him a chance worth even bringing up. And give all credit to Kristaps.... this kid is special. He's been an nba player from the time he was a youth. Give Phil the credit for believing in his scouts and believing his eyes and his heart like the rest of us basketball junkies. Kristaps is the real deal
What are you talking about? How was he not given a chance to develop?There are a ton of players who play well in Europe but aren't good enough to play here. Nothing wrong with it, just means they weren't NBA talents or had no interest in competing against the best.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Click this link and then you can see what I'm talking about.
That exactly what I was looking at before I made my post. Nobody just threw him to the lion at age 18. He was certainly brought along slowly, he just wasn't very good. You really think he was good but they just decided not to give him playing time?
Did I say that? Playing time and player development have nothing to do with each other. Lampe never played a regular season game with the Knicks. Lampe was 18 when drafted. 3 seasons later at age 20 he was out the league. That's why I asked you to click the link to save me the time of writing that out. 20 years old and out the league isn't developing a player. He was on 5 different teams. Nobody gave him a chance. That is pretty much a fact
You don't waste time developing players after you find out they're aren't very good. How much time did we spend trying to develop Michael Sweetney, #9 pick in the draft? Once you find out a dude sucks you cut your losses and move on. That's what happened with Lampe. How many more years were they suppose to invest developing him once they determined he sucked on the NBA level?
Were talking about 18 year old Lampe. And Sweeney actually played games for the Knicks. The dude was also suffering from depression and an eating disorder.
My thing is don't try to play me then disregard when I throw facts act you and then try to clean yourself up with bringing up a different player. You lose
EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Lampe wasnt given a chance to develop and he needed that time. He actually had a nice career in Europe and came back to play against nba competition for preseason and did well. It was a different climate as far as developing players back then. The Knicks didn't give him a chance worth even bringing up. And give all credit to Kristaps.... this kid is special. He's been an nba player from the time he was a youth. Give Phil the credit for believing in his scouts and believing his eyes and his heart like the rest of us basketball junkies. Kristaps is the real deal
What are you talking about? How was he not given a chance to develop?There are a ton of players who play well in Europe but aren't good enough to play here. Nothing wrong with it, just means they weren't NBA talents or had no interest in competing against the best.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Click this link and then you can see what I'm talking about.
That exactly what I was looking at before I made my post. Nobody just threw him to the lion at age 18. He was certainly brought along slowly, he just wasn't very good. You really think he was good but they just decided not to give him playing time?
Did I say that? Playing time and player development have nothing to do with each other. Lampe never played a regular season game with the Knicks. Lampe was 18 when drafted. 3 seasons later at age 20 he was out the league. That's why I asked you to click the link to save me the time of writing that out. 20 years old and out the league isn't developing a player. He was on 5 different teams. Nobody gave him a chance. That is pretty much a fact
You don't waste time developing players after you find out they're aren't very good. How much time did we spend trying to develop Michael Sweetney, #9 pick in the draft? Once you find out a dude sucks you cut your losses and move on. That's what happened with Lampe. How many more years were they suppose to invest developing him once they determined he sucked on the NBA level?
Were talking about 18 year old Lampe. And Sweeney actually played games for the Knicks. The dude was also suffering from depression and an eating disorder.
My thing is don't try to play me then disregard when I throw facts act you and then try to clean yourself up with bringing up a different player. You lose
What "facts" did you throw out? You think because he didn't get much playing time that's "proof" he wasn't developed? That's more likely proof they didn't think he was any good and wasn't worth investing more time "developing" at least at the NBA level. Certainly proof they didn't think he deserved more playing time.
He may have been a fine international player but that doesn't mean he was good enough to play at the highest level.
Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Lampe wasnt given a chance to develop and he needed that time. He actually had a nice career in Europe and came back to play against nba competition for preseason and did well. It was a different climate as far as developing players back then. The Knicks didn't give him a chance worth even bringing up. And give all credit to Kristaps.... this kid is special. He's been an nba player from the time he was a youth. Give Phil the credit for believing in his scouts and believing his eyes and his heart like the rest of us basketball junkies. Kristaps is the real deal
What are you talking about? How was he not given a chance to develop?There are a ton of players who play well in Europe but aren't good enough to play here. Nothing wrong with it, just means they weren't NBA talents or had no interest in competing against the best.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Click this link and then you can see what I'm talking about.
That exactly what I was looking at before I made my post. Nobody just threw him to the lion at age 18. He was certainly brought along slowly, he just wasn't very good. You really think he was good but they just decided not to give him playing time?
Did I say that? Playing time and player development have nothing to do with each other. Lampe never played a regular season game with the Knicks. Lampe was 18 when drafted. 3 seasons later at age 20 he was out the league. That's why I asked you to click the link to save me the time of writing that out. 20 years old and out the league isn't developing a player. He was on 5 different teams. Nobody gave him a chance. That is pretty much a fact
You don't waste time developing players after you find out they're aren't very good. How much time did we spend trying to develop Michael Sweetney, #9 pick in the draft? Once you find out a dude sucks you cut your losses and move on. That's what happened with Lampe. How many more years were they suppose to invest developing him once they determined he sucked on the NBA level?
Were talking about 18 year old Lampe. And Sweeney actually played games for the Knicks. The dude was also suffering from depression and an eating disorder.
My thing is don't try to play me then disregard when I throw facts act you and then try to clean yourself up with bringing up a different player. You lose
What "facts" did you throw out? You think because he didn't get much playing time that's "proof" he wasn't developed? That's more likely proof they didn't think he was any good and wasn't worth investing more time "developing" at least at the NBA level. Certainly proof they didn't think he deserved more playing time. He may have been a fine international player but that doesn't mean he was good enough to play at the highest level.
You brought up playing time before and if you scroll up and read this discussion you can see that I said playing time and development have nothing to do with each other.
If you want to have a discussion learn how to read so I don't have to keep repeating information over and over. I did that twice in this thread for you already
earthmansurfer wrote:Welpee wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Lampe was a "typical" Euro player - could shoot, pass, smart, etc. But he was not a defensive presence nor athletic.
They did talk about him being a lotto pick, but he "slid" right to us.
Scott Layden considered drafting him high in the first round but he dropped all the way to the second round. That should've been a major clue of what to expect.
I remember watching the draft that year and hoping we would draft the kid, maybe in the first (but I thought that was high with out lotto pick).
I thought he was mid round 1st talent. For whatever reason, the kid just failed. The mental scars were a lot for him.
I was really excited about that draft. I thought the Knicks were taking Lampe with the Sweetney pick. I thought Lampe was a steal in the second round and I was intrigued by the Vranes? pick. But I also liked the Mo Taylor trade. I was sure Taylor was going to be the next Juwan Howard.
EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Welpee wrote:EnySpree wrote:Lampe wasnt given a chance to develop and he needed that time. He actually had a nice career in Europe and came back to play against nba competition for preseason and did well. It was a different climate as far as developing players back then. The Knicks didn't give him a chance worth even bringing up. And give all credit to Kristaps.... this kid is special. He's been an nba player from the time he was a youth. Give Phil the credit for believing in his scouts and believing his eyes and his heart like the rest of us basketball junkies. Kristaps is the real deal
What are you talking about? How was he not given a chance to develop?There are a ton of players who play well in Europe but aren't good enough to play here. Nothing wrong with it, just means they weren't NBA talents or had no interest in competing against the best.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Click this link and then you can see what I'm talking about.
That exactly what I was looking at before I made my post. Nobody just threw him to the lion at age 18. He was certainly brought along slowly, he just wasn't very good. You really think he was good but they just decided not to give him playing time?
Did I say that? Playing time and player development have nothing to do with each other. Lampe never played a regular season game with the Knicks. Lampe was 18 when drafted. 3 seasons later at age 20 he was out the league. That's why I asked you to click the link to save me the time of writing that out. 20 years old and out the league isn't developing a player. He was on 5 different teams. Nobody gave him a chance. That is pretty much a fact
You don't waste time developing players after you find out they're aren't very good. How much time did we spend trying to develop Michael Sweetney, #9 pick in the draft? Once you find out a dude sucks you cut your losses and move on. That's what happened with Lampe. How many more years were they suppose to invest developing him once they determined he sucked on the NBA level?
Were talking about 18 year old Lampe. And Sweeney actually played games for the Knicks. The dude was also suffering from depression and an eating disorder.
My thing is don't try to play me then disregard when I throw facts act you and then try to clean yourself up with bringing up a different player. You lose
What "facts" did you throw out? You think because he didn't get much playing time that's "proof" he wasn't developed? That's more likely proof they didn't think he was any good and wasn't worth investing more time "developing" at least at the NBA level. Certainly proof they didn't think he deserved more playing time. He may have been a fine international player but that doesn't mean he was good enough to play at the highest level.
You brought up playing time before and if you scroll up and read this discussion you can see that I said playing time and development have nothing to do with each other.
If you want to have a discussion learn how to read so I don't have to keep repeating information over and over. I did that twice in this thread for you already
If you want to have a discussion post something to support your point of view. The link you posted actually disproves your point. Sorry if you're trying to prove an unsupportable position, but that's not my fault.
CrushAlot wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Welpee wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Lampe was a "typical" Euro player - could shoot, pass, smart, etc. But he was not a defensive presence nor athletic.
They did talk about him being a lotto pick, but he "slid" right to us.
Scott Layden considered drafting him high in the first round but he dropped all the way to the second round. That should've been a major clue of what to expect.
I remember watching the draft that year and hoping we would draft the kid, maybe in the first (but I thought that was high with out lotto pick).
I thought he was mid round 1st talent. For whatever reason, the kid just failed. The mental scars were a lot for him.
I was really excited about that draft. I thought the Knicks were taking Lampe with the Sweetney pick. I thought Lampe was a steal in the second round and I was intrigued by the Vranes? pick. But I also liked the Mo Taylor trade. I was sure Taylor was going to be the next Juwan Howard.
Yes, that was the spin at the time. From what I remember Layden REALLY like Lampe and there was talk of using the Sweetney pick to draft him. So when he fell to us in the 2nd round Layden was probably beside himself and thought he had a big time draft. Unfortunately that was a seriously top heavy draft and almost all of the talent dried up by the time we picked at #9.
But this claim that KP is what Lampe was suppose to be is a major stretch because even with this contract situation if anyone thought he had that type of potential he wouldn't have dropped to the second round. Rubio and Saric were lottery picks and GMs knew they weren't coming to the NBA immediately.
