As of this date with the Knicks at 8-9, these are the Lineups that worked best and worst so far.
Net (Per 100 Poss)
Rk Lineup MP PTS FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% eFG
1 C. Anthony | C. Lee | J. Noah | D. Rose | L. Thomas 10:22 +55.6 +38.9 +16.7 +.344 0.0 -5.6 +.167 +.339
2 W. Hernangomez | B. Jennings | M. Kuzminskas | K. Porzingis | S. Vujacic 7:50 +43.6 +19.9 -15.5 +.298 +10.2 +9.1 +.229 +.369
3 C. Anthony | J. Holiday | J. Noah | K. Porzingis | D. Rose 23:07 +39.2 +20.3 +10.4 +.177 +0.2 -5.9 +.092 +.172
4 C. Anthony | B. Jennings | C. Lee | K. O'Quinn | D. Rose 10:26 +36.8 +10.5 +21.1 +.013 +10.5 +15.8 +.100 +.056
5 J. Holiday | C. Lee | J. Noah | K. Porzingis | D. Rose 8:29 +36.8 +8.5 -11.8 +.122 +12.9 -22.1 +.625 +.189
6 C. Anthony | W. Hernangomez | C. Lee | K. O'Quinn | D. Rose 13:31 +36.1 +10.0 -25.9 +.238 -0.4 -13.3 +.167 +.242
7 C. Anthony | J. Holiday | C. Lee | K. Porzingis | D. Rose 13:13 +31.8 +3.3 -9.5 +.083 +2.7 -21.6 +.318 +.104
8 C. Anthony | J. Holiday | B. Jennings | K. Porzingis | D. Rose 11:23 +30.4 +21.7 +47.8 -.019 +8.7 +39.1 -.243 -.020
9 C. Anthony | M. Kuzminskas | C. Lee | K. Porzingis | D. Rose 13:05 +23.6 +20.0 +13.2 +.137 +13.6 +16.8 +.429 +.195
10 J. Holiday | B. Jennings | M. Kuzminskas | K. O'Quinn | K. Porzingis 16:21 +22.5 +8.4 +20.0 -.016 +6.1 +2.2 +.155 +.002
11 C. Anthony | W. Hernangomez | B. Jennings | C. Lee | M. Ndour 7:50 +7.1 -7.1 -14.3 -.012 -7.1 -7.1 -.333 -.041
12 W. Hernangomez | J. Holiday | B. Jennings | M. Kuzminskas | K. Porzingis 16:45 +5.2 +7.0 +3.2 +.068 +2.4 +1.9 +.064 +.081
13 C. Anthony | B. Jennings | C. Lee | J. Noah | D. Rose 13:21 -3.7 -3.7 0.0 -.042 +11.1 +14.8 +.233 +.021
14 C. Anthony | W. Hernangomez | C. Lee | J. Noah | D. Rose 7:47 -4.6 -16.3 -13.8 -.100 +7.1 +7.5 +.167 -.050
15 C. Anthony | C. Lee | J. Noah | K. Porzingis | D. Rose 206:39 -7.0 -1.8 -0.5 -.017 +0.3 -0.8 +.025 -.014
16 C. Anthony | B. Jennings | C. Lee | K. O'Quinn | K. Porzingis 10:31 -8.5 -1.6 +21.9 -.138 +12.5 +24.6 +.375 -.073
17 C. Anthony | C. Lee | K. Porzingis | D. Rose | L. Thomas 13:43 -10.4 -14.0 -21.3 -.021 -6.7 -23.2 +.026 -.048
18 C. Anthony | W. Hernangomez | C. Lee | K. Porzingis | D. Rose 13:01 -12.4 +2.2 +17.1 -.091 -5.6 +1.1 -.238 -.136
19 C. Anthony | B. Jennings | C. Lee | K. Porzingis | D. Rose 9:20 -12.5 +5.7 +20.9 -.040 +4.7 +23.3 -.083 -.020
20 C. Anthony | C. Lee | K. O'Quinn | K. Porzingis | D. Rose 42:40 -26.1 -9.0 +3.7 -.111 -4.0 +1.7 -.229 -.133
The sad part is that our Starting Lineup is one of the worst. Jeff has to have seen these numbers by now. He's known to be a guy that pays attention to Metrics and such. It's a small sample size but I think there's a trend you can see already with some of this.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/team...
Removing Lee and adding Holiday would work wonders for the team. I'm not loving the Lee pickup. Want to start limiting Melo and go with Euro players more. I personally think age is catching up with Melo.
With that said there just isn't enough sample size after the whopping 207 minutes.
It is clear the issue is defense.
Malo and Rose defense is as crappy as advertised.
KP has issues defending PF position.
Noah is slow and Lee is getting burned when he tries to cover for himself and Rose.
Team improved offensively but get much worse defensibly comparing to last year.
I think Jeff should go with his natural instincts and play smaller and just try to out finesse teams playing 4 Out, PnR with Rose and KP rather than ISO with Melo in the post so much. Keep things moving with Rose, Lee, Holiday, Melo and KP. We can't really worry about the few times we'd face a team like OKC that has such bruising bigs. Not every team is built like that. Play to our strengths is my feeling. This team has to play more to how it's talent plays best and not force them into Triangle Half Court stuff so much. As a change up that's fine but I think a Spread 4 Out style or even Horns with heavy PnR is better for this team.
The Knicks with 1 loss fall from 7th to 10th. That's how the East is. You can not fool around. We are playing with fire here by staying stubborn. Teams have advanced statistics and this data at their disposal. You need to make that adjustment to give you a better chance at winning more games. 3 losses more could mean the difference in finishing 9th or 10th with 38 wins or making the playoffs at 41 wins.
17 games (15 with Noah) should be enough evidence. Last season should be enough. KP's emergence. Melo's age and slower foot speed. We need more time with Melo at 4, and we need to take our chances with KP at 5 or insert some one at 5 like O'Quinn or Hernangomez who are actally a threat to score.
Hernangomez is making a case to replace Noah as starter. I think the chemistry just ins't there with the starters. Noah may be a 72 million dollar investment, but bringing him off the bench with Jennings will give us incredible energy. We need a starting 5 that is less reliant on Melo or KP or Rose going into isolation mode (especially Melo).
Since Hornachek is taking out KP early in the first quarter anyway, I would start KP at 5 if they feel Hernangomez is not ready. To run Hornachek's offense and style of play best, you need more team speed and better spacing. Noah is an exceptional passer and great screen setter. But teams see what he is going to do. They sag off him and know he's going to look to pass the ball to a cutter or just dump it into Melo for an isolation. This is not the style of basketball we want to be playing. Defensively, Noah has made little overall team impact. Let Noah come off the bench in an energizer 12 to 15 minutes a night role. If he gets into shape and his confidence back, consider more minutes. Next year he may come in better shape. Look at O'Quinn. He is in better shape and is playing better this year on both ends. Noah can do the same. He looks a little heavy. Give him the backup role this year.
nyknickzingis wrote:The Knicks with 1 loss fall from 7th to 10th. That's how the East is. You can not fool around. We are playing with fire here by staying stubborn. Teams have advanced statistics and this data at their disposal. You need to make that adjustment to give you a better chance at winning more games. 3 losses more could mean the difference in finishing 9th or 10th with 38 wins or making the playoffs at 41 wins.17 games (15 with Noah) should be enough evidence. Last season should be enough. KP's emergence. Melo's age and slower foot speed. We need more time with Melo at 4, and we need to take our chances with KP at 5 or insert some one at 5 like O'Quinn or Hernangomez who are actally a threat to score.
Hernangomez is making a case to replace Noah as starter. I think the chemistry just ins't there with the starters. Noah may be a 72 million dollar investment, but bringing him off the bench with Jennings will give us incredible energy. We need a starting 5 that is less reliant on Melo or KP or Rose going into isolation mode (especially Melo).
Since Hornachek is taking out KP early in the first quarter anyway, I would start KP at 5 if they feel Hernangomez is not ready. To run Hornachek's offense and style of play best, you need more team speed and better spacing. Noah is an exceptional passer and great screen setter. But teams see what he is going to do. They sag off him and know he's going to look to pass the ball to a cutter or just dump it into Melo for an isolation. This is not the style of basketball we want to be playing. Defensively, Noah has made little overall team impact. Let Noah come off the bench in an energizer 12 to 15 minutes a night role. If he gets into shape and his confidence back, consider more minutes. Next year he may come in better shape. Look at O'Quinn. He is in better shape and is playing better this year on both ends. Noah can do the same. He looks a little heavy. Give him the backup role this year.
I like KOQ a bit better with the starters. He's a bit tougher and has a very reliable 15+" jumpshot.
nixluva wrote:I think Jeff should go with his natural instincts and play smaller and just try to out finesse teams playing 4 Out, PnR with Rose and KP rather than ISO with Melo in the post so much. Keep things moving with Rose, Lee, Holiday, Melo and KP. We can't really worry about the few times we'd face a team like OKC that has such bruising bigs. Not every team is built like that. Play to our strengths is my feeling. This team has to play more to how it's talent plays best and not force them into Triangle Half Court stuff so much. As a change up that's fine but I think a Spread 4 Out style or even Horns with heavy PnR is better for this team.
It was better for last year's team as well, but Fisher or Rambis could not adapt. Hornacek will, I feel. He has already shown willingness to go to that with KP and Jennings on the floor.
