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Obama, the last adult we may see in the White House for some time, called Trump to smooth over the growing tensions...

holfresh wrote:^^^There are 4 million Palestinians in the Palestinian, occupied, territories and 1.7 million Arabs in Israel...And 6 million Jews...Birth rates of Arabs, Palestinians are higher than Jews in Israel, Palestinian territories...The US won't support or finance Apartheid, Trump might, but not any other US President..Not one nation of a possible 200 on this planet supports what Israel is currently doing...

The birth rate of Jews is up to 1.7 from 1.2 and Palestinian Arabs is down from 3 to 2.2. So this is not an issue.
It will all even up. Israelis are becoming one nation of Jews/Arabs/Druz/Russians/Christians and no one can stop it.
Israel do not need "things" and money from US and from anyone for that matter including from Trump.
Israel need friend because it is not many to come by. Friends to have mutual respect and mutual profit from each other.
So far Jew were profiting the whole world getting kicked in the bud for their service.
Sorry, no more.
Now they will kick anybody they want. And you will need to leave with it.

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:^^^There are 4 million Palestinians in the Palestinian, occupied, territories and 1.7 million Arabs in Israel...And 6 million Jews...Birth rates of Arabs, Palestinians are higher than Jews in Israel, Palestinian territories...The US won't support or finance Apartheid, Trump might, but not any other US President..Not one nation of a possible 200 on this planet supports what Israel is currently doing...

The birth rate of Jews is up to 1.7 from 1.2 and Palestinian Arabs is down from 3 to 2.2. So this is not an issue.
It will all even up. Israelis are becoming one nation of Jews/Arabs/Druz/Russians/Christians and no one can stop it.
Israel do not need "things" and money from US and from anyone for that matter including from Trump.
Israel need friend because it is not many to come by. Friends to have mutual respect and mutual profit from each other.
So far Jew were profiting the whole world getting kicked in the bud for their service.
Sorry, no more.
Now they will kick anybody they want. And you will need to leave with it.

The arc of the moral universe is long, but bends towards justice...MLK..It was just that a homeland was created for the Jewish people so they could be safe and secure from the atrocities and the hate towards them..What they are doing now isn't just or moral..Maybe my windows of history is like that of looking through a straw..But I know right and wrong when I see it and apparently so does the rest of the world..

No country can be an island on itself..

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:Prime Minister Netanyahu just came out and said that the true hindrance to peace is the refusal of the Palestinians to accept the Jewish State of Israel, but my question is then what is the deal with the Settlements??? How do the Settlements jibe with this notion that it's all about acceptance of the existence of Israel? This thing was Screwed since the very beginning of the push for a Jewish State. The way this all went down and how it's gone on since then is just not possible to expect peace to be the result.

When everything will go green it will be peace.
Seriously speaking if Palestinians can live in Israel, why Jews cannot leave in Palestine State... or any other Arab State?
I guess because you need 3 solders for one Jew to keep him from being slaughtered on the spat.
Never heard about Jews (except of couple or craze religions maniacs) kill or terrorize anybody.
It is all the time Jews are the targets.
Now suddenly there is a place on the Earth they cannot be. This is a BIG problem for so many people all over the world.
Well... they have to leave with it.

What is this BULLSHYTE ABOUT JEWS NEVER KILLING OR TERRORIZED ANYONE??? This is s LIE. I don't agree with terrorism but let's not pretend the Jews have clean hands and just peacefully took possession in the area. There are historical records you know.

How would you feel if someone just came into your home and started taking over rooms until all you had was 2 rooms!!!

Donald Trump on hacking: "Computers have confused lives greatly, we live in an era where we don't know what's going..."

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:Prime Minister Netanyahu just came out and said that the true hindrance to peace is the refusal of the Palestinians to accept the Jewish State of Israel, but my question is then what is the deal with the Settlements??? How do the Settlements jibe with this notion that it's all about acceptance of the existence of Israel? This thing was Screwed since the very beginning of the push for a Jewish State. The way this all went down and how it's gone on since then is just not possible to expect peace to be the result.

When everything will go green it will be peace.
Seriously speaking if Palestinians can live in Israel, why Jews cannot leave in Palestine State... or any other Arab State?
I guess because you need 3 solders for one Jew to keep him from being slaughtered on the spat.
Never heard about Jews (except of couple or craze religions maniacs) kill or terrorize anybody.
It is all the time Jews are the targets.
Now suddenly there is a place on the Earth they cannot be. This is a BIG problem for so many people all over the world.
Well... they have to leave with it.

What is this BULLSHYTE ABOUT JEWS NEVER KILLING OR TERRORIZED ANYONE??? This is s LIE. I don't agree with terrorism but let's not pretend the Jews have clean hands and just peacefully took possession in the area. There are historical records you know.

How would you feel if someone just came into your home and started taking over rooms until all you had was 2 rooms!!!

Hmm.. Please give me facts.
When Zionist armed movement was fighting to establish Jewish state they were fighting with British army and other enemies.
They used terrorist tactics at a time against colonial rulers. What other choice they had?
Israel also fought wars to protect country from overwhelmingly more powerful enemies seeking its destruction.
But Israel itself so Jewish people anywhere never used terror or killings against anybody.
We know that this is of no use and we do not need it to be successful.

Dreaded Putin an Endoran left Obama and US international policy in the dust again by taking over control in Syria and brokering case fire with majority of opposition without US.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-eas...
US became a running joke by isolating itself.
We undermine our friends and empower our enemies.
We spend humongous money on the army which cannot assert itself because of political paralysis in White House.
Very sad times for America and lowest point in our embattled foreign policy...

arkrud wrote:Dreaded Putin an Endoran left Obama and US international policy in the dust again by taking over control in Syria and brokering case fire with majority of opposition without US.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-eas...
US became a running joke by isolating itself.
We undermine our friends and empower our enemies.
We spend humongous money on the army which cannot assert itself because of political paralysis in White House.
Very sad times for America and lowest point in our embattled foreign policy...

Hahahaha..Meanwhile both of their countries currencies are at historic lows which means they are paying through the teeth for everything in trade and their economies are in the shitter and the US currency and stock market are at historic highs...Way to have those blinders on...

Think about this..The US spent 5-6 trillion fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last 15 years..The Russian economy in terms of GDP is 1.3 trillion ..Obama shaved 700 mil off their economy in sanctions since Ukraine and Crimea, it was 2 trillion, look that up...Think about that for one second..Who is the fool in that picture...Russia can't afford a foreign policy...How much will his country have to pay for helping Syria..They are hurting now I bet...

Obama just announced more sanctions this morning...Let's shave another 300 mil off that economy before he leaves office..Thats POWER..Not posture like Putin and Endorin..

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:Prime Minister Netanyahu just came out and said that the true hindrance to peace is the refusal of the Palestinians to accept the Jewish State of Israel, but my question is then what is the deal with the Settlements??? How do the Settlements jibe with this notion that it's all about acceptance of the existence of Israel? This thing was Screwed since the very beginning of the push for a Jewish State. The way this all went down and how it's gone on since then is just not possible to expect peace to be the result.

When everything will go green it will be peace.
Seriously speaking if Palestinians can live in Israel, why Jews cannot leave in Palestine State... or any other Arab State?
I guess because you need 3 solders for one Jew to keep him from being slaughtered on the spat.
Never heard about Jews (except of couple or craze religions maniacs) kill or terrorize anybody.
It is all the time Jews are the targets.
Now suddenly there is a place on the Earth they cannot be. This is a BIG problem for so many people all over the world.
Well... they have to leave with it.

What is this BULLSHYTE ABOUT JEWS NEVER KILLING OR TERRORIZED ANYONE??? This is s LIE. I don't agree with terrorism but let's not pretend the Jews have clean hands and just peacefully took possession in the area. There are historical records you know.

How would you feel if someone just came into your home and started taking over rooms until all you had was 2 rooms!!!

Hmm.. Please give me facts.
When Zionist armed movement was fighting to establish Jewish state they were fighting with British army and other enemies.
They used terrorist tactics at a time against colonial rulers. What other choice they had?
Israel also fought wars to protect country from overwhelmingly more powerful enemies seeking its destruction.
But Israel itself so Jewish people anywhere never used terror or killings against anybody.
We know that this is of no use and we do not need it to be successful.

You are either Ignorant of the facts or you are being disingenuous about this notion that the Jews didn't use Terrorism and Kill people in their process of Immigrating into Palestine, forcing the British to leave and establishing Israel. Surely you don't think that the inhabitants of the area were just treated with kid gloves! The Jews started all of this and history is very clear on that.

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Republicans are going to be mad...I smell a Trump tweet coming...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ru...

U.S. expels 35 Russian diplomats, closes two compounds: official

"These actions are not the sum total of our response to Russia’s aggressive activities," Obama said Thursday. "We will continue to take a variety of actions at a time and place of our choosing, some of which will not be publicized."

I think this was out since yesterday in response to hacking.."I think we ought to get on with our lives," Trump said, adding: "I think that computers have complicated lives very greatly — the whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what is going on."

holfresh wrote:I think this was out since yesterday in response to hacking.."I think we ought to get on with our lives," Trump said, adding: "I think that computers have complicated lives very greatly — the whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what is going on."

For this alone Trump should be ashamed!!! He knows damned well that the Russians did this and that it's not some vague issue. He's clearly been protecting Putin the entire time. His call for the Russians to Hack into Hillary's emails alone should've been disqualifying!!! How people could just let that go is beyond me. Then you have all of the other connections with Russia his people have and it's one of the most shameful situations we've ever seen from a President Elect.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:I think this was out since yesterday in response to hacking.."I think we ought to get on with our lives," Trump said, adding: "I think that computers have complicated lives very greatly — the whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what is going on."

For this alone Trump should be ashamed!!! He knows damned well that the Russians did this and that it's not some vague issue. He's clearly been protecting Putin the entire time. His call for the Russians to Hack into Hillary's emails alone should've been disqualifying!!! How people could just let that go is beyond me. Then you have all of the other connections with Russia his people have and it's one of the most shameful situations we've ever seen from a President Elect.

Yeah let's go tit for tat with Russia over our own ineptitude it's not Russia or anyone else's fault we could protect our own information. This is obamas fault as cic

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:I think this was out since yesterday in response to hacking.."I think we ought to get on with our lives," Trump said, adding: "I think that computers have complicated lives very greatly — the whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what is going on."

For this alone Trump should be ashamed!!! He knows damned well that the Russians did this and that it's not some vague issue. He's clearly been protecting Putin the entire time. His call for the Russians to Hack into Hillary's emails alone should've been disqualifying!!! How people could just let that go is beyond me. Then you have all of the other connections with Russia his people have and it's one of the most shameful situations we've ever seen from a President Elect.

Yeah let's go tit for tat with Russia over our own ineptitude it's not Russia or anyone else's fault we could protect our own information. This is obamas fault as cic

WHAT??? Yeah we go at Russia for being foolish enough to F with us! They're gonna lose in this fight. They aren't strong enough to go toe to toe on Economic sanctions with the U.S. Obama already jacked the Russian Economy and if he take another chunk out of them it's gonna hurt. We aren't dependent on Russia for anything.

These guys are unbelievable! We'll see how funny this is when the Russian Economy takes another hit.

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A few responses to Trump's tweet...

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Trump's statement..

"It's time for our country to move on to bigger and better things. Nevertheless, in the interest of our country and its great people, I will meet with leaders of the intelligence community next week in order to be updated on the facts of this situation," Trump's statement said...


That's big of you big guy...Making some time next week to learn about troubling events affecting Americans..

lol Obama doing his best in his final minutes to go down as one of the worst Presidents in history

gunsnewing wrote:lol Obama doing his best in his final minutes to go down as one of the worst Presidents in history

I'm tired of DUMB ASS posts like this!!! You know I don't think it's possible for someone to be as clueless as you are about the Obama Presidency. He's going to go down as one of the BEST Presidents in History!!! Trump will be taking over a country that's ready to take off and that is largely due to Obama's work.

Instead of making stupid ass comments go look up Obama's actual record in terms of saving this country from ruin after Bush and how things have improved DESPITE the fact that the Republicans did everything in their power to try and stop Obama from being successful. How UnAmerican is that??? Bastards actually kept throwing wrenches in the gears of this Economy the whole time. GTFOH with your nonsense!!!

You wanna get into this argument then let's go!!! I'm looking forward to stomping your ass on this subject.

For years now, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan has been talking in his earnest Wisconsin way about how much he cares about poverty. Republicans care about the poor, he insists, they just don't want to trap them in dependency — thus his proposals for a panopticon surveillance bureaucracy to coerce poor people into getting jobs and following bourgeois moral values.

But now that Donald Trump will become president with a Republican-controlled Congress, we're getting a vision of what that's actually going to look like in practice. It will be an all-out war on poor people's programs, without even a whisper of countervailing effort to help them get jobs or anything else.

First and probably most importantly, Republicans want to drastically roll back Medicaid. The first item on the agenda is repealing ObamaCare, which contains a large expansion of that program. If repealed in full, that would throw roughly 16 million people off the program at a stroke.

Second, they want to repeat the basic program of welfare reform on Medicaid. Welfare reform had three main prongs: block-granting the money to the states, capping spending so its size is eaten away by inflation every year, and sharp new restrictions on eligibility. This was justified in 1996 by a firestorm of vicious race-baiting about dependency, but its objective was obvious: to slowly obliterate the program. This goal has been mostly achieved. Enrollment in welfare has consistently fallen even during the Great Recession, and the block grant allows conservative states to bogart the money for things like anti-abortion agitprop. Overall, extreme poverty has increased by 150 percent as a direct result of this policy.

Now, Medicaid is already a (rather unwieldy) federal-state partnership, with substantial flexibility for defining benefits and eligibility — which, for conservative states, means "be as stingy as possible." Republicans, led by Trump's choice for secretary of health and human services, Tom Price, want to make it much easier for those states to kick people off the program, and slowly ratchet down spending just as happened with welfare reform. As Gene Sperling summarizes:

Mr. Price's own proposal, which he presented as the chairman of the House budget committee, would cut Medicaid by about $1 trillion over the next decade. This is on top of the reduction that would result from the repeal of the Affordable Care Act, which both Mr. Trump and Republican leaders have championed. Together, full repeal and block granting would cut Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program funding by about $2.1 trillion over the next 10 years — a 40 percent cut. [New York Times]

That's another roughly 14-21 million people kicked off Medicaid after 10 years — call it 30-35 million in total.

Second, Republicans are eyeing food stamps for more cuts. They already cut the program by $9 billion in 2014, and earlier this year mulled an additional $150 billion over 10 years — or a cut of 20 percent. This policy preference is reflected in conservative media, which is constantly fulminating against food stamps. A Fox News segment on Tuesday, for instance, railed against a supposed epidemic of fraud totaling $70 million, suggesting that therefore the program maybe should be abolished.

As Kevin Drum points out, not only did they not mention $70 million is less than 0.1 percent of the total food stamp spending (and a vanishingly minuscule fraction of the featherbedding that happens in the Defense Department), their fraud number is probably bogus anyway. And most of what is counted as "fraud" are innocent mistakes caused by difficulty navigating the program's complicated eligibility schedule — less than 1 percent of food stamp benefits go to households that are actually ineligible.

Taken together, the actual policy agenda here is reasonably clear. Republicans think rich people have too little income, and poor people too much. They will thus cut programs serving the bottom of the income ladder to make budget headroom for immense tax cuts for the rich. Paul Ryan will go on Meet the Press and smile and calmly buffalo the dim DC political reporters with a lot of wonky-sounding nonsense. But the upshot of this agenda is a great increase in desperation in America — more hungry people, more uninsured people, and more people dying of preventable illness.

http://theweek.com/articles/669758/how-r...