Knicks · 2017 NBA Draft Thread (page 27)
crzymdups wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:If Boston or Lakers end up with the top pick do they trade down? If so would we be prepared to trade up? what would it take? I just can't see those teams adding a PGIf the Lakers get #1, I can't see Magic Johnson passing on Lonzo Ball for Showtime 2. You move D'Angelo Russell in that scenario.
Why couldn't they just slide Russell to the 2 and have a two-PG front like the Suns use to have with Dragic and Bledsoe?
NardDogNation wrote:crzymdups wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:If Boston or Lakers end up with the top pick do they trade down? If so would we be prepared to trade up? what would it take? I just can't see those teams adding a PGIf the Lakers get #1, I can't see Magic Johnson passing on Lonzo Ball for Showtime 2. You move D'Angelo Russell in that scenario.
Why couldn't they just slide Russell to the 2 and have a two-PG front like the Suns use to have with Dragic and Bledsoe?
They could do that, too. I just can't see Magic passing on Lonzo Ball.
BRIGGS wrote:JamaicanJetFan wrote:Not impressed at all with Malik Monk. I think his best case scenario is a shorter Jamal Crawford.He has worn down--no doubt about that--hes a wildcard. When you first got to see Kentucky--the guy looked like an athletic version of something between a superstar 4 point shooter and maybe a young Monta Ellis. He had 7-8 3's against Michigan State 47 points and 7-8 3's against North Carolina--as a freshmen. I think as the season has worn down--so has he. Hes built somewhat slight--Hes an undersized two guard. He doesnt have great ball handling skills--good but no where near great. Every single player will need to be checked out. He started hot and just has fallen off--but hes also a freshmen.
Sounds like steph curry coming out of college
Hope our scouts are up to snuff but sounds exactly like the pick u need to trust ur gut and have some Nads to boot
I don't follow college hoops but the one full game I watched this year kid looked legit
crzymdups wrote:NardDogNation wrote:crzymdups wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:If Boston or Lakers end up with the top pick do they trade down? If so would we be prepared to trade up? what would it take? I just can't see those teams adding a PGIf the Lakers get #1, I can't see Magic Johnson passing on Lonzo Ball for Showtime 2. You move D'Angelo Russell in that scenario.
Why couldn't they just slide Russell to the 2 and have a two-PG front like the Suns use to have with Dragic and Bledsoe?
They could do that, too. I just can't see Magic passing on Lonzo Ball.
Nor can I. Hennigan is on the hot seat and will likely look for a splash to keep his job. Passing on sure-fire talent for lesser talent and future assets does not further that agenda.
Chandler wrote:BRIGGS wrote:JamaicanJetFan wrote:Not impressed at all with Malik Monk. I think his best case scenario is a shorter Jamal Crawford.He has worn down--no doubt about that--hes a wildcard. When you first got to see Kentucky--the guy looked like an athletic version of something between a superstar 4 point shooter and maybe a young Monta Ellis. He had 7-8 3's against Michigan State 47 points and 7-8 3's against North Carolina--as a freshmen. I think as the season has worn down--so has he. Hes built somewhat slight--Hes an undersized two guard. He doesnt have great ball handling skills--good but no where near great. Every single player will need to be checked out. He started hot and just has fallen off--but hes also a freshmen.
Sounds like steph curry coming out of college
Hope our scouts are up to snuff but sounds exactly like the pick u need to trust ur gut and have some Nads to boot
I don't follow college hoops but the one full game I watched this year kid looked legit
My fear with Monk is that it seems as defenses have tightened in the SEC tournie and NCAAs, he's sort of disappeared. I've seen only a few of his games from before that and he looked great back then. I don't know if that means anything too serious... but I've definitely been way more impressed by Fox during the SECs and NCAA tournie.
If we drafted him, I'd still be pretty excited.
Pick # 1 Lonzo Ball
Future pick for pick 17 John Collins
Pick 44 Josh Hart Dillon Brooks or Tyler Dorsey
Pick 57 Zeek Woodley (westchester)
Undrafted Deonte Burton( westchester)
crzymdups wrote:Chandler wrote:BRIGGS wrote:JamaicanJetFan wrote:Not impressed at all with Malik Monk. I think his best case scenario is a shorter Jamal Crawford.He has worn down--no doubt about that--hes a wildcard. When you first got to see Kentucky--the guy looked like an athletic version of something between a superstar 4 point shooter and maybe a young Monta Ellis. He had 7-8 3's against Michigan State 47 points and 7-8 3's against North Carolina--as a freshmen. I think as the season has worn down--so has he. Hes built somewhat slight--Hes an undersized two guard. He doesnt have great ball handling skills--good but no where near great. Every single player will need to be checked out. He started hot and just has fallen off--but hes also a freshmen.
Sounds like steph curry coming out of college
Hope our scouts are up to snuff but sounds exactly like the pick u need to trust ur gut and have some Nads to boot
I don't follow college hoops but the one full game I watched this year kid looked legit
My fear with Monk is that it seems as defenses have tightened in the SEC tournie and NCAAs, he's sort of disappeared. I've seen only a few of his games from before that and he looked great back then. I don't know if that means anything too serious... but I've definitely been way more impressed by Fox during the SECs and NCAA tournie.
If we drafted him, I'd still be pretty excited.
I'll be honest. Years back (20+) I used to watch every college game I could I was absolutely horrible about projecting future success (e.g. Anyone remember derrick Chavous -- nah I didn't think so; in my book he was a slam dunk super star; what about Willie glass??)
Point being, I stunk then and I watched the games. My opinion about college players now is worse
One thing though. Monk can shoot accurately w quick release. I agree w Briggs. I think he got tired. Personally I want more D and athleticism but this guy intrigues me. Teams are talking themselves out of drafting him. Too small etc. but the eye test is good as far as talent goes.
Flynn and Rubio got picked before steph w teams doing same thing. (Btw for all the boards kevetching Knicks would have picked Rubio over steph too).
Chandler wrote:crzymdups wrote:Chandler wrote:BRIGGS wrote:JamaicanJetFan wrote:Not impressed at all with Malik Monk. I think his best case scenario is a shorter Jamal Crawford.He has worn down--no doubt about that--hes a wildcard. When you first got to see Kentucky--the guy looked like an athletic version of something between a superstar 4 point shooter and maybe a young Monta Ellis. He had 7-8 3's against Michigan State 47 points and 7-8 3's against North Carolina--as a freshmen. I think as the season has worn down--so has he. Hes built somewhat slight--Hes an undersized two guard. He doesnt have great ball handling skills--good but no where near great. Every single player will need to be checked out. He started hot and just has fallen off--but hes also a freshmen.
Sounds like steph curry coming out of college
Hope our scouts are up to snuff but sounds exactly like the pick u need to trust ur gut and have some Nads to boot
I don't follow college hoops but the one full game I watched this year kid looked legit
My fear with Monk is that it seems as defenses have tightened in the SEC tournie and NCAAs, he's sort of disappeared. I've seen only a few of his games from before that and he looked great back then. I don't know if that means anything too serious... but I've definitely been way more impressed by Fox during the SECs and NCAA tournie.
If we drafted him, I'd still be pretty excited.
I'll be honest. Years back (20+) I used to watch every college game I could I was absolutely horrible about projecting future success (e.g. Anyone remember derrick Chavous -- nah I didn't think so; in my book he was a slam dunk super star; what about Willie glass??)
Point being, I stunk then and I watched the games. My opinion about college players now is worse
One thing though. Monk can shoot accurately w quick release. I agree w Briggs. I think he got tired. Personally I want more D and athleticism but this guy intrigues me. Teams are talking themselves out of drafting him. Too small etc. but the eye test is good as far as talent goes.
Flynn and Rubio got picked before steph w teams doing same thing. (Btw for all the boards kevetching Knicks would have picked Rubio over steph too).
Also the NBA Pro game is better suited for a kid like him. There's so much more space and he's gonna be able to get screens and be open more often with the greater spacing in the NBA. He will have to show he's better with the ball as well since he's gonna have to play PG with his very slight build.
nixluva wrote:Chandler wrote:crzymdups wrote:Chandler wrote:BRIGGS wrote:JamaicanJetFan wrote:Not impressed at all with Malik Monk. I think his best case scenario is a shorter Jamal Crawford.He has worn down--no doubt about that--hes a wildcard. When you first got to see Kentucky--the guy looked like an athletic version of something between a superstar 4 point shooter and maybe a young Monta Ellis. He had 7-8 3's against Michigan State 47 points and 7-8 3's against North Carolina--as a freshmen. I think as the season has worn down--so has he. Hes built somewhat slight--Hes an undersized two guard. He doesnt have great ball handling skills--good but no where near great. Every single player will need to be checked out. He started hot and just has fallen off--but hes also a freshmen.
Sounds like steph curry coming out of college
Hope our scouts are up to snuff but sounds exactly like the pick u need to trust ur gut and have some Nads to boot
I don't follow college hoops but the one full game I watched this year kid looked legit
My fear with Monk is that it seems as defenses have tightened in the SEC tournie and NCAAs, he's sort of disappeared. I've seen only a few of his games from before that and he looked great back then. I don't know if that means anything too serious... but I've definitely been way more impressed by Fox during the SECs and NCAA tournie.
If we drafted him, I'd still be pretty excited.
I'll be honest. Years back (20+) I used to watch every college game I could I was absolutely horrible about projecting future success (e.g. Anyone remember derrick Chavous -- nah I didn't think so; in my book he was a slam dunk super star; what about Willie glass??)
Point being, I stunk then and I watched the games. My opinion about college players now is worse
One thing though. Monk can shoot accurately w quick release. I agree w Briggs. I think he got tired. Personally I want more D and athleticism but this guy intrigues me. Teams are talking themselves out of drafting him. Too small etc. but the eye test is good as far as talent goes.
Flynn and Rubio got picked before steph w teams doing same thing. (Btw for all the boards kevetching Knicks would have picked Rubio over steph too).
Also the NBA Pro game is better suited for a kid like him. There's so much more space and he's gonna be able to get screens and be open more often with the greater spacing in the NBA. He will have to show he's better with the ball as well since he's gonna have to play PG with his very slight build.
I don't think this team can afford to take Monk unless he goes to personal workouts and just drops their jaws. I don't want to rule anything out but if the guy tired out after 30 games what's he going to do with 100? He's got some bust characteristics -- we need safety
crzymdups wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:If Boston or Lakers end up with the top pick do they trade down? If so would we be prepared to trade up? what would it take? I just can't see those teams adding a PGIf the Lakers get #1, I can't see Magic Johnson passing on Lonzo Ball for Showtime 2. You move D'Angelo Russell in that scenario.
They were experimenting with Russell off the bench recently, so might keep him as sixth man. However the Suns are tanking hard, they could get the 2nd spot from the Lakers, and come the lottery, Lakers could still end up slipping out of the top 3 and having to surrender their pick, which would be an absolute disaster (and it also means they then have to give up their 2019).
nixluva wrote:Chandler wrote:crzymdups wrote:Chandler wrote:BRIGGS wrote:JamaicanJetFan wrote:Not impressed at all with Malik Monk. I think his best case scenario is a shorter Jamal Crawford.He has worn down--no doubt about that--hes a wildcard. When you first got to see Kentucky--the guy looked like an athletic version of something between a superstar 4 point shooter and maybe a young Monta Ellis. He had 7-8 3's against Michigan State 47 points and 7-8 3's against North Carolina--as a freshmen. I think as the season has worn down--so has he. Hes built somewhat slight--Hes an undersized two guard. He doesnt have great ball handling skills--good but no where near great. Every single player will need to be checked out. He started hot and just has fallen off--but hes also a freshmen.
Sounds like steph curry coming out of college
Hope our scouts are up to snuff but sounds exactly like the pick u need to trust ur gut and have some Nads to boot
I don't follow college hoops but the one full game I watched this year kid looked legit
My fear with Monk is that it seems as defenses have tightened in the SEC tournie and NCAAs, he's sort of disappeared. I've seen only a few of his games from before that and he looked great back then. I don't know if that means anything too serious... but I've definitely been way more impressed by Fox during the SECs and NCAA tournie.
If we drafted him, I'd still be pretty excited.
I'll be honest. Years back (20+) I used to watch every college game I could I was absolutely horrible about projecting future success (e.g. Anyone remember derrick Chavous -- nah I didn't think so; in my book he was a slam dunk super star; what about Willie glass??)
Point being, I stunk then and I watched the games. My opinion about college players now is worse
One thing though. Monk can shoot accurately w quick release. I agree w Briggs. I think he got tired. Personally I want more D and athleticism but this guy intrigues me. Teams are talking themselves out of drafting him. Too small etc. but the eye test is good as far as talent goes.
Flynn and Rubio got picked before steph w teams doing same thing. (Btw for all the boards kevetching Knicks would have picked Rubio over steph too).
Also the NBA Pro game is better suited for a kid like him. There's so much more space and he's gonna be able to get screens and be open more often with the greater spacing in the NBA. He will have to show he's better with the ball as well since he's gonna have to play PG with his very slight build.
That's what they said w steph too.
Again I have only watched one game and admittedly stink at projecting talents to NBA. Just seems I've heard this story before
3 concerns for me:
1) is he smart.
2) is he dedicated. Ie is he a gym rat dedicated to getting better
3) injuries. (Again no idea but some slight guys are always dinged up and others never are)
BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:Chandler wrote:crzymdups wrote:Chandler wrote:BRIGGS wrote:JamaicanJetFan wrote:Not impressed at all with Malik Monk. I think his best case scenario is a shorter Jamal Crawford.He has worn down--no doubt about that--hes a wildcard. When you first got to see Kentucky--the guy looked like an athletic version of something between a superstar 4 point shooter and maybe a young Monta Ellis. He had 7-8 3's against Michigan State 47 points and 7-8 3's against North Carolina--as a freshmen. I think as the season has worn down--so has he. Hes built somewhat slight--Hes an undersized two guard. He doesnt have great ball handling skills--good but no where near great. Every single player will need to be checked out. He started hot and just has fallen off--but hes also a freshmen.
Sounds like steph curry coming out of college
Hope our scouts are up to snuff but sounds exactly like the pick u need to trust ur gut and have some Nads to boot
I don't follow college hoops but the one full game I watched this year kid looked legit
My fear with Monk is that it seems as defenses have tightened in the SEC tournie and NCAAs, he's sort of disappeared. I've seen only a few of his games from before that and he looked great back then. I don't know if that means anything too serious... but I've definitely been way more impressed by Fox during the SECs and NCAA tournie.
If we drafted him, I'd still be pretty excited.
I'll be honest. Years back (20+) I used to watch every college game I could I was absolutely horrible about projecting future success (e.g. Anyone remember derrick Chavous -- nah I didn't think so; in my book he was a slam dunk super star; what about Willie glass??)
Point being, I stunk then and I watched the games. My opinion about college players now is worse
One thing though. Monk can shoot accurately w quick release. I agree w Briggs. I think he got tired. Personally I want more D and athleticism but this guy intrigues me. Teams are talking themselves out of drafting him. Too small etc. but the eye test is good as far as talent goes.
Flynn and Rubio got picked before steph w teams doing same thing. (Btw for all the boards kevetching Knicks would have picked Rubio over steph too).
Also the NBA Pro game is better suited for a kid like him. There's so much more space and he's gonna be able to get screens and be open more often with the greater spacing in the NBA. He will have to show he's better with the ball as well since he's gonna have to play PG with his very slight build.I don't think this team can afford to take Monk unless he goes to personal workouts and just drops their jaws. I don't want to rule anything out but if the guy tired out after 30 games what's he going to do with 100? He's got some bust characteristics -- we need safety
This is a good point. It could be worn down. It could be other teams started playing him tougher e.g. Chucking him etc
BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:Chandler wrote:crzymdups wrote:Chandler wrote:BRIGGS wrote:JamaicanJetFan wrote:Not impressed at all with Malik Monk. I think his best case scenario is a shorter Jamal Crawford.He has worn down--no doubt about that--hes a wildcard. When you first got to see Kentucky--the guy looked like an athletic version of something between a superstar 4 point shooter and maybe a young Monta Ellis. He had 7-8 3's against Michigan State 47 points and 7-8 3's against North Carolina--as a freshmen. I think as the season has worn down--so has he. Hes built somewhat slight--Hes an undersized two guard. He doesnt have great ball handling skills--good but no where near great. Every single player will need to be checked out. He started hot and just has fallen off--but hes also a freshmen.
Sounds like steph curry coming out of college
Hope our scouts are up to snuff but sounds exactly like the pick u need to trust ur gut and have some Nads to boot
I don't follow college hoops but the one full game I watched this year kid looked legit
My fear with Monk is that it seems as defenses have tightened in the SEC tournie and NCAAs, he's sort of disappeared. I've seen only a few of his games from before that and he looked great back then. I don't know if that means anything too serious... but I've definitely been way more impressed by Fox during the SECs and NCAA tournie.
If we drafted him, I'd still be pretty excited.
I'll be honest. Years back (20+) I used to watch every college game I could I was absolutely horrible about projecting future success (e.g. Anyone remember derrick Chavous -- nah I didn't think so; in my book he was a slam dunk super star; what about Willie glass??)
Point being, I stunk then and I watched the games. My opinion about college players now is worse
One thing though. Monk can shoot accurately w quick release. I agree w Briggs. I think he got tired. Personally I want more D and athleticism but this guy intrigues me. Teams are talking themselves out of drafting him. Too small etc. but the eye test is good as far as talent goes.
Flynn and Rubio got picked before steph w teams doing same thing. (Btw for all the boards kevetching Knicks would have picked Rubio over steph too).
Also the NBA Pro game is better suited for a kid like him. There's so much more space and he's gonna be able to get screens and be open more often with the greater spacing in the NBA. He will have to show he's better with the ball as well since he's gonna have to play PG with his very slight build.I don't think this team can afford to take Monk unless he goes to personal workouts and just drops their jaws. I don't want to rule anything out but if the guy tired out after 30 games what's he going to do with 100? He's got some bust characteristics -- we need safety
I think he's relatively safe because he has elite athleticism and outside shooting to fall back on. If he never develops the other parts of his game, he will still be a productive NBA player.
callmened wrote:nixluva wrote:TPercy wrote:For someone who has no offensive game, he is killing Miles Bridges right now.There's a reason Josh Jackson is so high on the draft boards. Sometimes the college game makes it harder for some people to see what makes a player special. Just gotta watch long enough and you'll usually see it.
yep. if he shoots like he did today then ill join the josh jackson bandwagon. he was AMAZING
TPercy - MKG comparison was a stretch but as long as you got my point. if jumper is mediocre at best. but obviously he proved otherwise. if he shoots like that he has the most upside of anyone in the draft
I agree. We could easily be looking at our own Kwahi if the man upstairs can bless the Knicks was a top 3 pick.
We need one bad.
Why does draft express have us picking a PF? What do they know that we dont??
Also..the PG we pick needs to be cerebral, not a super athlete who won't involve his teammates.
Never heard of this Frank Nti...guy, but shooting wise seems like the percentages are right....how's the defense?
Cartman718 wrote:PG is the toughest position to play...there are several good ones in this draft.
We need one bad.
Why does draft express have us picking a PF? What do they know that we dont??Also..the PG we pick needs to be cerebral, not a super athlete who won't involve his teammates.
Never heard of this Frank Nti...guy, but shooting wise seems like the percentages are right....how's the defense?
He's got freakish long arms and shows great defensive potential. Of course all of this is theoretical since we have very little to go on. One thing tho is he's already shown his high BBIQ and playmaking ability which translates to any level IMO.
Cartman718 wrote:PG is the toughest position to play...there are several good ones in this draft.
We need one bad.
Why does draft express have us picking a PF? What do they know that we dont??Also..the PG we pick needs to be cerebral, not a super athlete who won't involve his teammates.
Never heard of this Frank Nti...guy, but shooting wise seems like the percentages are right....how's the defense?
At this stage, draft express just rank in order of talent not team need
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