Knicks · 2017 NBA Draft Thread (page 3)
GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:That was a good night for draft chances- a lot of bad teams with worse records than us won. Now one more loss and we shoot up to tie the Sixers for losses (who are in 7th place) and two more losses and we tie in losses with the Twolves (they're in 6th).Honestly we need to lose now because there will be a lot of teams with worse records than us tanking hard in a few weeks time- we need to get the jump on them now. We still have 5 more wins than the the team with the second worse record (Miami). We're on: 19-26, Heat are on 14-30 (but we do still have two games vs the heat to play near the end of the season)- WE HAVE TO KEEP LOSING!
Not even at the all star break yet . Defeatism masquerading as pragmatism.
More a case of pragmatism masquerading as defeatism
Honestly, we suck- you know this in your heart. Do you want to pay and build around Rose? (Serious question)
That's why we get the jump on it now- leave it until all star and all those teams ahead will be tanking and we won't have a hope of a top 5 pick.
smackeddog wrote:GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:That was a good night for draft chances- a lot of bad teams with worse records than us won. Now one more loss and we shoot up to tie the Sixers for losses (who are in 7th place) and two more losses and we tie in losses with the Twolves (they're in 6th).Honestly we need to lose now because there will be a lot of teams with worse records than us tanking hard in a few weeks time- we need to get the jump on them now. We still have 5 more wins than the the team with the second worse record (Miami). We're on: 19-26, Heat are on 14-30 (but we do still have two games vs the heat to play near the end of the season)- WE HAVE TO KEEP LOSING!
Not even at the all star break yet . Defeatism masquerading as pragmatism.
More a case of pragmatism masquerading as defeatism
Honestly, we suck- you know this in your heart. Do you want to pay and build around Rose? (Serious question)
That's why we get the jump on it now- leave it until all star and all those teams ahead will be tanking and we won't have a hope of a top 5 pick.
If we were near the end of the season, I could understand this. But this tanking BS seems to start earlier and earlier. Enough already. Im sure KP loves the idea of flushing the season halfway into it, and within striking distance of the playoffs so he and everyone else can watch some ping ping balls in a glass jar. Thats not how you keep talent. If Hinkie hadnt been fired, they would be still tanking.
We talk about this team not having the will to win, changing the culture. Tanking halfway into the season wont accomplish that.
GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:That was a good night for draft chances- a lot of bad teams with worse records than us won. Now one more loss and we shoot up to tie the Sixers for losses (who are in 7th place) and two more losses and we tie in losses with the Twolves (they're in 6th).Honestly we need to lose now because there will be a lot of teams with worse records than us tanking hard in a few weeks time- we need to get the jump on them now. We still have 5 more wins than the the team with the second worse record (Miami). We're on: 19-26, Heat are on 14-30 (but we do still have two games vs the heat to play near the end of the season)- WE HAVE TO KEEP LOSING!
Not even at the all star break yet . Defeatism masquerading as pragmatism.
More a case of pragmatism masquerading as defeatism
Honestly, we suck- you know this in your heart. Do you want to pay and build around Rose? (Serious question)
That's why we get the jump on it now- leave it until all star and all those teams ahead will be tanking and we won't have a hope of a top 5 pick.
If we were near the end of the season, I could understand this. But this tanking BS seems to start earlier and earlier. Enough already. Im sure KP loves the idea of flushing the season halfway into it, and within striking distance of the playoffs so he and everyone else can watch some ping ping balls in a glass jar. Thats not how you keep talent. If Hinkie hadnt been fired, they would be still tanking.
We talk about this team not having the will to win, changing the culture. Tanking halfway into the season wont accomplish that.
absolutely fair points all around...one could argue that its too early to tank
but i think its clear to most people (at least to me) that this team does NOT have much potential to do damage in the playoffs (if they even make the playoffs). at the very BEST, their caught in NBA purgatory as a "mediocre-middle-of-the-pack" team. its THAT status that i worry about - because there's little opportunity to succeed or little opportunity to get a high draft pick
callmened wrote:GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:That was a good night for draft chances- a lot of bad teams with worse records than us won. Now one more loss and we shoot up to tie the Sixers for losses (who are in 7th place) and two more losses and we tie in losses with the Twolves (they're in 6th).Honestly we need to lose now because there will be a lot of teams with worse records than us tanking hard in a few weeks time- we need to get the jump on them now. We still have 5 more wins than the the team with the second worse record (Miami). We're on: 19-26, Heat are on 14-30 (but we do still have two games vs the heat to play near the end of the season)- WE HAVE TO KEEP LOSING!
Not even at the all star break yet . Defeatism masquerading as pragmatism.
More a case of pragmatism masquerading as defeatism
Honestly, we suck- you know this in your heart. Do you want to pay and build around Rose? (Serious question)
That's why we get the jump on it now- leave it until all star and all those teams ahead will be tanking and we won't have a hope of a top 5 pick.
If we were near the end of the season, I could understand this. But this tanking BS seems to start earlier and earlier. Enough already. Im sure KP loves the idea of flushing the season halfway into it, and within striking distance of the playoffs so he and everyone else can watch some ping ping balls in a glass jar. Thats not how you keep talent. If Hinkie hadnt been fired, they would be still tanking.
We talk about this team not having the will to win, changing the culture. Tanking halfway into the season wont accomplish that.
absolutely fair points all around...one could argue that its too early to tank
but i think its clear to most people (at least to me) that this team does NOT have much potential to do damage in the playoffs (if they even make the playoffs). at the very BEST, their caught in NBA purgatory as a "mediocre-middle-of-the-pack" team. its THAT status that i worry about - because there's little opportunity to succeed or little opportunity to get a high draft pick
The difference now IMO and all those years in purgatory, is that we drafted our potential franchise player. Not only that, through the draft and free agency, we have the most rookies (of varying age) playing in the league. So when I hear, lets tank not even at the all star break, I wonder if its a case of not seeing the forest through the trees. We wanted yoots, we got yoots, time to let them learn to win.
The only way I would be on board with the team falling in the rankings, would be if it meant moving Noah/Rose/Melo. Something to make the team more competitive. The end result might be the same, but its not the same thing as tanking. Sends a different message to the players.
GustavBahler wrote:callmened wrote:GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:That was a good night for draft chances- a lot of bad teams with worse records than us won. Now one more loss and we shoot up to tie the Sixers for losses (who are in 7th place) and two more losses and we tie in losses with the Twolves (they're in 6th).Honestly we need to lose now because there will be a lot of teams with worse records than us tanking hard in a few weeks time- we need to get the jump on them now. We still have 5 more wins than the the team with the second worse record (Miami). We're on: 19-26, Heat are on 14-30 (but we do still have two games vs the heat to play near the end of the season)- WE HAVE TO KEEP LOSING!
Not even at the all star break yet . Defeatism masquerading as pragmatism.
More a case of pragmatism masquerading as defeatism
Honestly, we suck- you know this in your heart. Do you want to pay and build around Rose? (Serious question)
That's why we get the jump on it now- leave it until all star and all those teams ahead will be tanking and we won't have a hope of a top 5 pick.
If we were near the end of the season, I could understand this. But this tanking BS seems to start earlier and earlier. Enough already. Im sure KP loves the idea of flushing the season halfway into it, and within striking distance of the playoffs so he and everyone else can watch some ping ping balls in a glass jar. Thats not how you keep talent. If Hinkie hadnt been fired, they would be still tanking.
We talk about this team not having the will to win, changing the culture. Tanking halfway into the season wont accomplish that.
absolutely fair points all around...one could argue that its too early to tank
but i think its clear to most people (at least to me) that this team does NOT have much potential to do damage in the playoffs (if they even make the playoffs). at the very BEST, their caught in NBA purgatory as a "mediocre-middle-of-the-pack" team. its THAT status that i worry about - because there's little opportunity to succeed or little opportunity to get a high draft pick
The difference now IMO and all those years in purgatory, is that we drafted our potential franchise player. Not only that, through the draft and free agency, we have the most rookies (of varying age) playing in the league. So when I hear, lets tank not even at the all star break, I wonder if its a case of not seeing the forest through the trees. We wanted yoots, we got yoots, time to let them learn to win.
The only way I would be on board with the team falling in the rankings, would be if it meant moving Noah/Rose/Melo. Something to make the team more competitive. The end result might be the same, but its not the same thing as tanking. Sends a different message to the players.
i vote for pseudo-tanking then...let the youth play: baker, holiday, willy, etc etc...they might even be more competitive. but let them gain experience. most likely theyre not THAT good anyways so we can keep losing to get a good pick.
callmened wrote:GustavBahler wrote:callmened wrote:GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:That was a good night for draft chances- a lot of bad teams with worse records than us won. Now one more loss and we shoot up to tie the Sixers for losses (who are in 7th place) and two more losses and we tie in losses with the Twolves (they're in 6th).Honestly we need to lose now because there will be a lot of teams with worse records than us tanking hard in a few weeks time- we need to get the jump on them now. We still have 5 more wins than the the team with the second worse record (Miami). We're on: 19-26, Heat are on 14-30 (but we do still have two games vs the heat to play near the end of the season)- WE HAVE TO KEEP LOSING!
Not even at the all star break yet . Defeatism masquerading as pragmatism.
More a case of pragmatism masquerading as defeatism
Honestly, we suck- you know this in your heart. Do you want to pay and build around Rose? (Serious question)
That's why we get the jump on it now- leave it until all star and all those teams ahead will be tanking and we won't have a hope of a top 5 pick.
If we were near the end of the season, I could understand this. But this tanking BS seems to start earlier and earlier. Enough already. Im sure KP loves the idea of flushing the season halfway into it, and within striking distance of the playoffs so he and everyone else can watch some ping ping balls in a glass jar. Thats not how you keep talent. If Hinkie hadnt been fired, they would be still tanking.
We talk about this team not having the will to win, changing the culture. Tanking halfway into the season wont accomplish that.
absolutely fair points all around...one could argue that its too early to tank
but i think its clear to most people (at least to me) that this team does NOT have much potential to do damage in the playoffs (if they even make the playoffs). at the very BEST, their caught in NBA purgatory as a "mediocre-middle-of-the-pack" team. its THAT status that i worry about - because there's little opportunity to succeed or little opportunity to get a high draft pick
The difference now IMO and all those years in purgatory, is that we drafted our potential franchise player. Not only that, through the draft and free agency, we have the most rookies (of varying age) playing in the league. So when I hear, lets tank not even at the all star break, I wonder if its a case of not seeing the forest through the trees. We wanted yoots, we got yoots, time to let them learn to win.
The only way I would be on board with the team falling in the rankings, would be if it meant moving Noah/Rose/Melo. Something to make the team more competitive. The end result might be the same, but its not the same thing as tanking. Sends a different message to the players.
i vote for pseudo-tanking then...let the youth play: baker, holiday, willy, etc etc...they might even be more competitive. but let them gain experience. most likely theyre not THAT good anyways so we can keep losing to get a good pick.
Some teams may require heavy minutes from Noah........
wargames wrote:callmened wrote:GustavBahler wrote:callmened wrote:GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:That was a good night for draft chances- a lot of bad teams with worse records than us won. Now one more loss and we shoot up to tie the Sixers for losses (who are in 7th place) and two more losses and we tie in losses with the Twolves (they're in 6th).Honestly we need to lose now because there will be a lot of teams with worse records than us tanking hard in a few weeks time- we need to get the jump on them now. We still have 5 more wins than the the team with the second worse record (Miami). We're on: 19-26, Heat are on 14-30 (but we do still have two games vs the heat to play near the end of the season)- WE HAVE TO KEEP LOSING!
Not even at the all star break yet . Defeatism masquerading as pragmatism.
More a case of pragmatism masquerading as defeatism
Honestly, we suck- you know this in your heart. Do you want to pay and build around Rose? (Serious question)
That's why we get the jump on it now- leave it until all star and all those teams ahead will be tanking and we won't have a hope of a top 5 pick.
If we were near the end of the season, I could understand this. But this tanking BS seems to start earlier and earlier. Enough already. Im sure KP loves the idea of flushing the season halfway into it, and within striking distance of the playoffs so he and everyone else can watch some ping ping balls in a glass jar. Thats not how you keep talent. If Hinkie hadnt been fired, they would be still tanking.
We talk about this team not having the will to win, changing the culture. Tanking halfway into the season wont accomplish that.
absolutely fair points all around...one could argue that its too early to tank
but i think its clear to most people (at least to me) that this team does NOT have much potential to do damage in the playoffs (if they even make the playoffs). at the very BEST, their caught in NBA purgatory as a "mediocre-middle-of-the-pack" team. its THAT status that i worry about - because there's little opportunity to succeed or little opportunity to get a high draft pick
The difference now IMO and all those years in purgatory, is that we drafted our potential franchise player. Not only that, through the draft and free agency, we have the most rookies (of varying age) playing in the league. So when I hear, lets tank not even at the all star break, I wonder if its a case of not seeing the forest through the trees. We wanted yoots, we got yoots, time to let them learn to win.
The only way I would be on board with the team falling in the rankings, would be if it meant moving Noah/Rose/Melo. Something to make the team more competitive. The end result might be the same, but its not the same thing as tanking. Sends a different message to the players.
i vote for pseudo-tanking then...let the youth play: baker, holiday, willy, etc etc...they might even be more competitive. but let them gain experience. most likely theyre not THAT good anyways so we can keep losing to get a good pick.
Some teams may require heavy minutes from Noah........
even better. noah helps our chances at losing. lol. smh
callmened wrote:GustavBahler wrote:callmened wrote:GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:That was a good night for draft chances- a lot of bad teams with worse records than us won. Now one more loss and we shoot up to tie the Sixers for losses (who are in 7th place) and two more losses and we tie in losses with the Twolves (they're in 6th).Honestly we need to lose now because there will be a lot of teams with worse records than us tanking hard in a few weeks time- we need to get the jump on them now. We still have 5 more wins than the the team with the second worse record (Miami). We're on: 19-26, Heat are on 14-30 (but we do still have two games vs the heat to play near the end of the season)- WE HAVE TO KEEP LOSING!
Not even at the all star break yet . Defeatism masquerading as pragmatism.
More a case of pragmatism masquerading as defeatism
Honestly, we suck- you know this in your heart. Do you want to pay and build around Rose? (Serious question)
That's why we get the jump on it now- leave it until all star and all those teams ahead will be tanking and we won't have a hope of a top 5 pick.
If we were near the end of the season, I could understand this. But this tanking BS seems to start earlier and earlier. Enough already. Im sure KP loves the idea of flushing the season halfway into it, and within striking distance of the playoffs so he and everyone else can watch some ping ping balls in a glass jar. Thats not how you keep talent. If Hinkie hadnt been fired, they would be still tanking.
We talk about this team not having the will to win, changing the culture. Tanking halfway into the season wont accomplish that.
absolutely fair points all around...one could argue that its too early to tank
but i think its clear to most people (at least to me) that this team does NOT have much potential to do damage in the playoffs (if they even make the playoffs). at the very BEST, their caught in NBA purgatory as a "mediocre-middle-of-the-pack" team. its THAT status that i worry about - because there's little opportunity to succeed or little opportunity to get a high draft pick
The difference now IMO and all those years in purgatory, is that we drafted our potential franchise player. Not only that, through the draft and free agency, we have the most rookies (of varying age) playing in the league. So when I hear, lets tank not even at the all star break, I wonder if its a case of not seeing the forest through the trees. We wanted yoots, we got yoots, time to let them learn to win.
The only way I would be on board with the team falling in the rankings, would be if it meant moving Noah/Rose/Melo. Something to make the team more competitive. The end result might be the same, but its not the same thing as tanking. Sends a different message to the players.
i vote for pseudo-tanking then...let the youth play: baker, holiday, willy, etc etc...they might even be more competitive. but let them gain experience. most likely theyre not THAT good anyways so we can keep losing to get a good pick.
Curious as to how good they need to be beyond quality role players? Its not about hitting a home run every time. Right now they all look like they have a chance of being that. If we could trade one or more of them to move up in the draft for an all star caliber PG, I would do it. Absent of that opportunity, all our rooks have shown something at one time or another during the season. Thats good news.
callmened wrote:GustavBahler wrote:callmened wrote:GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:GustavBahler wrote:smackeddog wrote:That was a good night for draft chances- a lot of bad teams with worse records than us won. Now one more loss and we shoot up to tie the Sixers for losses (who are in 7th place) and two more losses and we tie in losses with the Twolves (they're in 6th).Honestly we need to lose now because there will be a lot of teams with worse records than us tanking hard in a few weeks time- we need to get the jump on them now. We still have 5 more wins than the the team with the second worse record (Miami). We're on: 19-26, Heat are on 14-30 (but we do still have two games vs the heat to play near the end of the season)- WE HAVE TO KEEP LOSING!
Not even at the all star break yet . Defeatism masquerading as pragmatism.
More a case of pragmatism masquerading as defeatism
Honestly, we suck- you know this in your heart. Do you want to pay and build around Rose? (Serious question)
That's why we get the jump on it now- leave it until all star and all those teams ahead will be tanking and we won't have a hope of a top 5 pick.
If we were near the end of the season, I could understand this. But this tanking BS seems to start earlier and earlier. Enough already. Im sure KP loves the idea of flushing the season halfway into it, and within striking distance of the playoffs so he and everyone else can watch some ping ping balls in a glass jar. Thats not how you keep talent. If Hinkie hadnt been fired, they would be still tanking.
We talk about this team not having the will to win, changing the culture. Tanking halfway into the season wont accomplish that.
absolutely fair points all around...one could argue that its too early to tank
but i think its clear to most people (at least to me) that this team does NOT have much potential to do damage in the playoffs (if they even make the playoffs). at the very BEST, their caught in NBA purgatory as a "mediocre-middle-of-the-pack" team. its THAT status that i worry about - because there's little opportunity to succeed or little opportunity to get a high draft pick
The difference now IMO and all those years in purgatory, is that we drafted our potential franchise player. Not only that, through the draft and free agency, we have the most rookies (of varying age) playing in the league. So when I hear, lets tank not even at the all star break, I wonder if its a case of not seeing the forest through the trees. We wanted yoots, we got yoots, time to let them learn to win.
The only way I would be on board with the team falling in the rankings, would be if it meant moving Noah/Rose/Melo. Something to make the team more competitive. The end result might be the same, but its not the same thing as tanking. Sends a different message to the players.
i vote for pseudo-tanking then...let the youth play: baker, holiday, willy, etc etc...they might even be more competitive. but let them gain experience. most likely theyre not THAT good anyways so we can keep losing to get a good pick.
i'm in this camp. also think outright tanking is just bad karma