Knicks · 2017 NBA Draft Thread (page 41)
BigDaddyG wrote:Slacking off yellowboy90....
Ball would be magnificent in NY in the Triangle. This isn't a heavy PnR offense and he'd feel right at home with all the Cuts and Dribble Handoffs.
nixluva wrote:Freaking TWolves gave up a game winning 3 by D Russell. Thibs has to be losing his mind with the poor defense!
Triple team Julius blanking Randle on the 3 point line leaving 3 (yes 3) other Laker players wide open at the 3 with 5 seconds still on the clock. Randle finally passes to Russell and not 1 TWolve player moves towards him.
Tell me those young Wolve players aren't hoping for a high lottery pick to add to Towns, Wiggins and Levine
LivingLegend wrote:nixluva wrote:Freaking TWolves gave up a game winning 3 by D Russell. Thibs has to be losing his mind with the poor defense!Triple team Julius blanking Randle on the 3 point line leaving 3 (yes 3) other Laker players wide open at the 3 with 5 seconds still on the clock. Randle finally passes to Russell and not 1 TWolve player moves towards him.
Tell me those young Wolve players aren't hoping for a high lottery pick to add to Towns, Wiggins and Levine
Did not watch the game, but judging by the score, I don't think the T-Wolves wanted to lose the game.
Frustrating that the f'n Lakers may be spoilers, and the Knicks are the victims. They also beat the Kings in a tight game the other day. If the Lakers had lost both games we would have the 6 slot.
LivingLegend wrote:nixluva wrote:Freaking TWolves gave up a game winning 3 by D Russell. Thibs has to be losing his mind with the poor defense!Triple team Julius blanking Randle on the 3 point line leaving 3 (yes 3) other Laker players wide open at the 3 with 5 seconds still on the clock. Randle finally passes to Russell and not 1 TWolve player moves towards him.
Tell me those young Wolve players aren't hoping for a high lottery pick to add to Towns, Wiggins and Levine
Just proves even the best Defensive coach can't work miracles without defensive talent and some vets that actually know what they're doing.
WaltLongmire wrote:LivingLegend wrote:nixluva wrote:Freaking TWolves gave up a game winning 3 by D Russell. Thibs has to be losing his mind with the poor defense!Triple team Julius blanking Randle on the 3 point line leaving 3 (yes 3) other Laker players wide open at the 3 with 5 seconds still on the clock. Randle finally passes to Russell and not 1 TWolve player moves towards him.
Tell me those young Wolve players aren't hoping for a high lottery pick to add to Towns, Wiggins and Levine
Did not watch the game, but judging by the score, I don't think the T-Wolves wanted to lose the game.Frustrating that the f'n Lakers may be spoilers, and the Knicks are the victims. They also beat the Kings in a tight game the other day. If the Lakers had lost both games we would have the 6 slot.
It's so annoying- the lakers needed to lose that game too- the Suns keep winning and giving them a chance to tie again for 2nd, but they keep blowing it. We're at real risk of falling to 8th. We need to bench Willy for the final game.
smackeddog wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:LivingLegend wrote:nixluva wrote:Freaking TWolves gave up a game winning 3 by D Russell. Thibs has to be losing his mind with the poor defense!Triple team Julius blanking Randle on the 3 point line leaving 3 (yes 3) other Laker players wide open at the 3 with 5 seconds still on the clock. Randle finally passes to Russell and not 1 TWolve player moves towards him.
Tell me those young Wolve players aren't hoping for a high lottery pick to add to Towns, Wiggins and Levine
Did not watch the game, but judging by the score, I don't think the T-Wolves wanted to lose the game.Frustrating that the f'n Lakers may be spoilers, and the Knicks are the victims. They also beat the Kings in a tight game the other day. If the Lakers had lost both games we would have the 6 slot.
It's so annoying- the lakers needed to lose that game too- the Suns keep winning and giving them a chance to tie again for 2nd, but they keep blowing it. We're at real risk of falling to 8th. We need to bench Willy for the final game.
Are their tie breakers in place for similar records or is it a coin flip? From what I can see, we cannot have fewer losses/more wins than the Kings and Minny, even if we beat Philly. Could be a 3 way tie, though.
WaltLongmire wrote:smackeddog wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:LivingLegend wrote:nixluva wrote:Freaking TWolves gave up a game winning 3 by D Russell. Thibs has to be losing his mind with the poor defense!Triple team Julius blanking Randle on the 3 point line leaving 3 (yes 3) other Laker players wide open at the 3 with 5 seconds still on the clock. Randle finally passes to Russell and not 1 TWolve player moves towards him.
Tell me those young Wolve players aren't hoping for a high lottery pick to add to Towns, Wiggins and Levine
Did not watch the game, but judging by the score, I don't think the T-Wolves wanted to lose the game.Frustrating that the f'n Lakers may be spoilers, and the Knicks are the victims. They also beat the Kings in a tight game the other day. If the Lakers had lost both games we would have the 6 slot.
It's so annoying- the lakers needed to lose that game too- the Suns keep winning and giving them a chance to tie again for 2nd, but they keep blowing it. We're at real risk of falling to 8th. We need to bench Willy for the final game.
Are their tie breakers in place for similar records or is it a coin flip? From what I can see, we cannot have fewer losses/more wins than the Kings and Minny, even if we beat Philly. Could be a 3 way tie, though.
If it's a three way tie, we essentially get the same number of ping pong balls as the teams we're tied with, with coin flips used to determine who gets any odd balls and who gets 6th vs 7th vs 8th.
So coin flip would set the order, but the ping pong ball chances to jump up to the top three would be essentially the same for the tied teams.
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One thing is certain even before the lottery - there's going to be a good player available when we pick.
If we don't jump to the top 3, I'm hoping De'Aaron Fox is still available. Partly because we need a PG, and partly because "The Fox and the Unicorn" is a fairy tale that writes itself.
crzymdups wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:smackeddog wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:LivingLegend wrote:nixluva wrote:Freaking TWolves gave up a game winning 3 by D Russell. Thibs has to be losing his mind with the poor defense!Triple team Julius blanking Randle on the 3 point line leaving 3 (yes 3) other Laker players wide open at the 3 with 5 seconds still on the clock. Randle finally passes to Russell and not 1 TWolve player moves towards him.
Tell me those young Wolve players aren't hoping for a high lottery pick to add to Towns, Wiggins and Levine
Did not watch the game, but judging by the score, I don't think the T-Wolves wanted to lose the game.Frustrating that the f'n Lakers may be spoilers, and the Knicks are the victims. They also beat the Kings in a tight game the other day. If the Lakers had lost both games we would have the 6 slot.
It's so annoying- the lakers needed to lose that game too- the Suns keep winning and giving them a chance to tie again for 2nd, but they keep blowing it. We're at real risk of falling to 8th. We need to bench Willy for the final game.
Are their tie breakers in place for similar records or is it a coin flip? From what I can see, we cannot have fewer losses/more wins than the Kings and Minny, even if we beat Philly. Could be a 3 way tie, though.If it's a three way tie, we essentially get the same number of ping pong balls as the teams we're tied with, with coin flips used to determine who gets any odd balls and who gets 6th vs 7th vs 8th.
So coin flip would set the order, but the ping pong ball chances to jump up to the top three would be essentially the same for the tied teams.
Thanks...
This is getting ridiculous.
Just wanted to post this article about Frank Ntilkina. I think he would be a great guard next to KP (and potentially Melo) because he isn't ball dominant. In a lot of ways this year with Rose showed that if we want KP to develop we got to put him next to guards who will look to pass him the ball. Also for the sake of KP and Willy we need perimeter defense to keep guards from running into them. A sign of a bad defense is big men with a lot of block shots..... it means everyone is getting to the rim. Also if KP is the trailer taking the shot in transition his size could help since the guards would need to be able to go up for a rebound......
Anyhow my whole argument comes down to, Ntilkina may not be the BPA at #6 but he would likely be the best fit next to KP and Willy (and Melo if he is here next year)
WaltLongmire wrote:crzymdups wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:smackeddog wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:LivingLegend wrote:nixluva wrote:Freaking TWolves gave up a game winning 3 by D Russell. Thibs has to be losing his mind with the poor defense!Triple team Julius blanking Randle on the 3 point line leaving 3 (yes 3) other Laker players wide open at the 3 with 5 seconds still on the clock. Randle finally passes to Russell and not 1 TWolve player moves towards him.
Tell me those young Wolve players aren't hoping for a high lottery pick to add to Towns, Wiggins and Levine
Did not watch the game, but judging by the score, I don't think the T-Wolves wanted to lose the game.Frustrating that the f'n Lakers may be spoilers, and the Knicks are the victims. They also beat the Kings in a tight game the other day. If the Lakers had lost both games we would have the 6 slot.
It's so annoying- the lakers needed to lose that game too- the Suns keep winning and giving them a chance to tie again for 2nd, but they keep blowing it. We're at real risk of falling to 8th. We need to bench Willy for the final game.
Are their tie breakers in place for similar records or is it a coin flip? From what I can see, we cannot have fewer losses/more wins than the Kings and Minny, even if we beat Philly. Could be a 3 way tie, though.If it's a three way tie, we essentially get the same number of ping pong balls as the teams we're tied with, with coin flips used to determine who gets any odd balls and who gets 6th vs 7th vs 8th.
So coin flip would set the order, but the ping pong ball chances to jump up to the top three would be essentially the same for the tied teams.
Thanks...
This is getting ridiculous.
Ha, who came up with this? I bet when they pitched it, everyone elses eyes glazed over and they just agreed to it because they couldn't take another run through of the explanation!
TPercy wrote:The ringer lost me with Jayson Tatum going at 9 and markanen at 5. Nonsense.
Sounds similar to 2 years ago when Winslow dropped some and kp at 4
For entertainment value alone I hope the order remains in flux. It's boring when it seems pre-ordained
wargames wrote:https://theringer.com/french-nba-prospec...Just wanted to post this article about Frank Ntilkina. I think he would be a great guard next to KP (and potentially Melo) because he isn't ball dominant. In a lot of ways this year with Rose showed that if we want KP to develop we got to put him next to guards who will look to pass him the ball. Also for the sake of KP and Willy we need perimeter defense to keep guards from running into them. A sign of a bad defense is big men with a lot of block shots..... it means everyone is getting to the rim. Also if KP is the trailer taking the shot in transition his size could help since the guards would need to be able to go up for a rebound......
Anyhow my whole argument comes down to, Ntilkina may not be the BPA at #6 but he would likely be the best fit next to KP and Willy (and Melo if he is here next year)
Thanks! I'm so confused w this draft. I have a sneaky suspicion we're choosing a forward and regardless Phil likes length so if we go guard this guy seems to fit that bill
Chandler wrote:wargames wrote:https://theringer.com/french-nba-prospec...Just wanted to post this article about Frank Ntilkina. I think he would be a great guard next to KP (and potentially Melo) because he isn't ball dominant. In a lot of ways this year with Rose showed that if we want KP to develop we got to put him next to guards who will look to pass him the ball. Also for the sake of KP and Willy we need perimeter defense to keep guards from running into them. A sign of a bad defense is big men with a lot of block shots..... it means everyone is getting to the rim. Also if KP is the trailer taking the shot in transition his size could help since the guards would need to be able to go up for a rebound......
Anyhow my whole argument comes down to, Ntilkina may not be the BPA at #6 but he would likely be the best fit next to KP and Willy (and Melo if he is here next year)
Thanks! I'm so confused w this draft. I have a sneaky suspicion we're choosing a forward and regardless Phil likes length so if we go guard this guy seems to fit that bill
I think Chad Ford has us taking Tatum at #6 in his last mock draft. We haven't been attached to him in the Media but Phil is pretty good so far creating false rumors. Picking a forward means we would be chasing a PG in FA. Not to mention it would be a very loud "GTFO" to Melo....... with that said Instill prefer they get a guard.
wargames wrote:https://theringer.com/french-nba-prospec...Just wanted to post this article about Frank Ntilkina. I think he would be a great guard next to KP (and potentially Melo) because he isn't ball dominant. In a lot of ways this year with Rose showed that if we want KP to develop we got to put him next to guards who will look to pass him the ball. Also for the sake of KP and Willy we need perimeter defense to keep guards from running into them. A sign of a bad defense is big men with a lot of block shots..... it means everyone is getting to the rim. Also if KP is the trailer taking the shot in transition his size could help since the guards would need to be able to go up for a rebound......
Anyhow my whole argument comes down to, Ntilkina may not be the BPA at #6 but he would likely be the best fit next to KP and Willy (and Melo if he is here next year)
If that is the case, trade down and get another asset with Ntilikina since no other team supposedly has him ranked that high. But in our situation, we should take and keep the BPA to build around his and KPs respective talents.
NardDogNation wrote:If that is the case, trade down and get another asset with Ntilikina since no other team supposedly has him ranked that high.
Really? This comment is just silly....unless you know where other teams have him ranked. In fact we don't even know where the Knicks have him ranked.
wargames wrote:Chandler wrote:wargames wrote:https://theringer.com/french-nba-prospec...Just wanted to post this article about Frank Ntilkina. I think he would be a great guard next to KP (and potentially Melo) because he isn't ball dominant. In a lot of ways this year with Rose showed that if we want KP to develop we got to put him next to guards who will look to pass him the ball. Also for the sake of KP and Willy we need perimeter defense to keep guards from running into them. A sign of a bad defense is big men with a lot of block shots..... it means everyone is getting to the rim. Also if KP is the trailer taking the shot in transition his size could help since the guards would need to be able to go up for a rebound......
Anyhow my whole argument comes down to, Ntilkina may not be the BPA at #6 but he would likely be the best fit next to KP and Willy (and Melo if he is here next year)
Thanks! I'm so confused w this draft. I have a sneaky suspicion we're choosing a forward and regardless Phil likes length so if we go guard this guy seems to fit that bill
I think Chad Ford has us taking Tatum at #6 in his last mock draft. We haven't been attached to him in the Media but Phil is pretty good so far creating false rumors. Picking a forward means we would be chasing a PG in FA. Not to mention it would be a very loud "GTFO" to Melo....... with that said Instill prefer they get a guard.
Not sure if Phil has ever invested a #6-type pick in a pg, and I can understand why given his priorities. He has liked long versatile forwards who pass, and of course superstar SGs. I can easily imaging him going forward and then getting a pg by other means, including that some teams will have too many pgs post-draft. Celts come to mind, but one can also wonder about Minny and a bunch of other teams. Might not be FA
Chandler wrote:wargames wrote:Chandler wrote:wargames wrote:https://theringer.com/french-nba-prospec...Just wanted to post this article about Frank Ntilkina. I think he would be a great guard next to KP (and potentially Melo) because he isn't ball dominant. In a lot of ways this year with Rose showed that if we want KP to develop we got to put him next to guards who will look to pass him the ball. Also for the sake of KP and Willy we need perimeter defense to keep guards from running into them. A sign of a bad defense is big men with a lot of block shots..... it means everyone is getting to the rim. Also if KP is the trailer taking the shot in transition his size could help since the guards would need to be able to go up for a rebound......
Anyhow my whole argument comes down to, Ntilkina may not be the BPA at #6 but he would likely be the best fit next to KP and Willy (and Melo if he is here next year)
Thanks! I'm so confused w this draft. I have a sneaky suspicion we're choosing a forward and regardless Phil likes length so if we go guard this guy seems to fit that bill
I think Chad Ford has us taking Tatum at #6 in his last mock draft. We haven't been attached to him in the Media but Phil is pretty good so far creating false rumors. Picking a forward means we would be chasing a PG in FA. Not to mention it would be a very loud "GTFO" to Melo....... with that said Instill prefer they get a guard.
Not sure if Phil has ever invested a #6-type pick in a pg, and I can understand why given his priorities. He has liked long versatile forwards who pass, and of course superstar SGs. I can easily imaging him going forward and then getting a pg by other means, including that some teams will have too many pgs post-draft. Celts come to mind, but one can also wonder about Minny and a bunch of other teams. Might not be FA
Very true, I just felt that in a lot of ways Hornecek was brought in to "modernize" the tringle and he was going to accomplish that by using a two Big PG (aka ballhandlers) to push the tempo to try and maximize transition points. Its one of the reasons I believed that the even if we drafted a bigger PG, we would also probably still trade for Austin Rivers. That would lead to lineups like
Rivers
Rookie PG
Lee
KP
Willy
But you do have a point and rumors were Phil like Josh Jackson if we moved up.
Rivers
Lee
Tatum
KP
Willy
is still very much an improvement over what we have now. They would just have to make sure Tatum is a willing passer