They dont need Crabbe--they miscalculated their spending 100mm$ on essentially 4 guards. We have a player they can use--and could use badly in Noah. We do NOT need Noah--so why not trade 70mm for 70mm?
BRIGGS wrote:They dont need Crabbe--they miscalculated their spending 100mm$ on essentially 4 guards. We have a player they can use--and could use badly in Noah. We do NOT need Noah--so why not trade 70mm for 70mm?
Hmm, interesting idea. Do you really thing Portland would take Noah after his showing so far this season? It would be amazing to unload him for a player we actually could use.
If they throw in Goyle than maybe
Moonangie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:They dont need Crabbe--they miscalculated their spending 100mm$ on essentially 4 guards. We have a player they can use--and could use badly in Noah. We do NOT need Noah--so why not trade 70mm for 70mm?
Hmm, interesting idea. Do you really thing Portland would take Noah after his showing so far this season? It would be amazing to unload him for a player we actually could use.
Hes rebounded the ball very well and hes more of a bigs leader than anything they have. Were talking big money from both sides--they could probably move Crabbe or even Turner faster than we could unload Noah--but right now all 3 are expensive pieces that are not easily exchanged
Noah is done..They wouldn't want him, they have a young team..They rather let Ropez walk than paying him 13 mil..In the Knicks signing Noah, the hope was that he was hampered injuries in the last few years like Rose, and he could regain some explosiveness and energy...But he doesn't have any of that...We have to eat his contract...I think you have the right idea tho..I would much rather go after Otto Porter who came into the league as a slasher, and an uptempo type player...Porter is shooting the three at a high percentage as you saw...
Again, is this the vision of the GM..Does he want to build a team of wing players as opposed to front line players??..I think we have to start looking at team direction...
holfresh wrote:Noah is done..They wouldn't want him, they have a young team..They rather let Ropez walk than paying him 13 mil..In the Knicks signing Noah, the hope was that he was hampered injuries in the last few years like Rose, and he could regain some explosiveness and energy...But he doesn't have any of that...We have to eat his contract...I think you have the right idea tho..I would much rather go after Otto Porter who came into the league as a slasher, and an uptempo type player...Porter is shooting the three at a high percentage as you saw...
Again, is this the vision of the GM..Does he want to build a team of wing players as opposed to front line players??..I think we have to start looking at team direction...
Trading one mistake for another mistake doesn't cancel the mistake out. We'd still be left with Crabbe, who I still don't want.
BigDaddyG wrote:holfresh wrote:Noah is done..They wouldn't want him, they have a young team..They rather let Ropez walk than paying him 13 mil..In the Knicks signing Noah, the hope was that he was hampered injuries in the last few years like Rose, and he could regain some explosiveness and energy...But he doesn't have any of that...We have to eat his contract...I think you have the right idea tho..I would much rather go after Otto Porter who came into the league as a slasher, and an uptempo type player...Porter is shooting the three at a high percentage as you saw...
Again, is this the vision of the GM..Does he want to build a team of wing players as opposed to front line players??..I think we have to start looking at team direction...
Trading one mistake for another mistake doesn't cancel the mistake out. We'd still be left with Crabbe, who I still don't want.
Agreed..
holfresh wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:holfresh wrote:Noah is done..They wouldn't want him, they have a young team..They rather let Ropez walk than paying him 13 mil..In the Knicks signing Noah, the hope was that he was hampered injuries in the last few years like Rose, and he could regain some explosiveness and energy...But he doesn't have any of that...We have to eat his contract...I think you have the right idea tho..I would much rather go after Otto Porter who came into the league as a slasher, and an uptempo type player...Porter is shooting the three at a high percentage as you saw...
Again, is this the vision of the GM..Does he want to build a team of wing players as opposed to front line players??..I think we have to start looking at team direction...
Trading one mistake for another mistake doesn't cancel the mistake out. We'd still be left with Crabbe, who I still don't want.
Agreed..
Noah can still help us. Crabbe is nothing but a
Briggs festish bad contract
fishmike wrote:holfresh wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:holfresh wrote:Noah is done..They wouldn't want him, they have a young team..They rather let Ropez walk than paying him 13 mil..In the Knicks signing Noah, the hope was that he was hampered injuries in the last few years like Rose, and he could regain some explosiveness and energy...But he doesn't have any of that...We have to eat his contract...I think you have the right idea tho..I would much rather go after Otto Porter who came into the league as a slasher, and an uptempo type player...Porter is shooting the three at a high percentage as you saw...
Again, is this the vision of the GM..Does he want to build a team of wing players as opposed to front line players??..I think we have to start looking at team direction...
Trading one mistake for another mistake doesn't cancel the mistake out. We'd still be left with Crabbe, who I still don't want.
Agreed..
Noah can still help us. Crabbe is nothing but a Briggs festish bad contract
Noah is a huge waste of money for us--dont need him.
If we got Crabbe and Curry--we'd have two players that wouldve spread the floor for us. There was never a chance to get Crabbe but Curry at 3mm vs Lee at 12mm--well you do the math. We still dont take enough 3's and spreading the perimeter would help the team--I think it wouldve changed our differential. Now were stuck with two back ups at 30mm$ per for 4. I think we should explore some of these deals for 70mm paid last year that might help us a lot more than Noah can. I dont see the need for a 32 year old C on this team for that much loot.
Noah sucks. Crabbe is way more valuable due to his age and shooting ability.
No one wants noah. It's one of the worst contracts in the nba
callmened wrote:Noah sucks. Crabbe is way more valuable due to his age and shooting ability. No one wants noah. It's one of the worst contracts in the nba
1) They're both one-dimensional back-ups with bad contracts 2) I'd argue that Crabbe doesn't really give us anything that Lee and Holiday don't provide already. I could see it if he provided quality defense at the three-spot, but he doesn't. 3) Noah is still more productive than Crabbe.
I'd take crabbe over Noah any day. Player at least with upside. Noah is on his way to end of days in NBA.
IMHO the best we can hope for with Noah is that there is a new amnesty clause in the new CBA that takes effect July 1.
crzymdups wrote:IMHO the best we can hope for with Noah is that there is a new amnesty clause in the new CBA that takes effect July 1.
There isn't! Only one or two teams pushed for one, the rest said no, unfortunately.
Maybe if we threw in a ton of second rounders (or a first)..... but I would prefer we just take or medicine on that contract and keep the picks
wargames wrote:Maybe if we threw in a ton of second rounders (or a first)..... but I would prefer we just take or medicine on that contract and keep the picks
We don't need the cap space so why give up any second rounders (which we do need)?
BigDaddyG wrote:callmened wrote:Noah sucks. Crabbe is way more valuable due to his age and shooting ability. No one wants noah. It's one of the worst contracts in the nba
1) They're both one-dimensional back-ups with bad contracts 2) I'd argue that Crabbe doesn't really give us anything that Lee and Holiday don't provide already. I could see it if he provided quality defense at the three-spot, but he doesn't. 3) Noah is still more productive than Crabbe.
perhaps one could argue that noah is more productive than crabbe (i wouldnt)but simply by age alone - id rather have crabbe
smackeddog wrote:wargames wrote:Maybe if we threw in a ton of second rounders (or a first)..... but I would prefer we just take or medicine on that contract and keep the picks
We don't need the cap space so why give up any second rounders (which we do need)?
Exactly, also knowing our luck they would ask for a first rounder. I like Crabbe.... and still think if they didn't have a glut at wing he could get better. But, I doubt anyone does a trade straight up for Noah. He is offensively looking like Jared Jefferies out there right now.
If the Knicks make a trade for Crabbe it better be because they think he can be a long term contributor because it's still gonna cost them some (at best) second round picks or a young player on a cheap contract to compensate the Blazers.
wargames wrote:smackeddog wrote:wargames wrote:Maybe if we threw in a ton of second rounders (or a first)..... but I would prefer we just take or medicine on that contract and keep the picks
We don't need the cap space so why give up any second rounders (which we do need)?
Exactly, also knowing our luck they would ask for a first rounder. I like Crabbe.... and still think if they didn't have a glut at wing he could get better. But, I doubt anyone does a trade straight up for Noah. He is offensively looking like Jared Jefferies out there right now.
If the Knicks make a trade for Crabbe it better be because they think he can be a long term contributor because it's still gonna cost them some (at best) second round picks or a young player on a cheap contract to compensate the Blazers.
Ouch. Walsh sent the 7th pick in the draft and another first rounder (16th pick) to move Jeffries contract so the knicks would have space to sign LBJ and another star
callmened wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:callmened wrote:Noah sucks. Crabbe is way more valuable due to his age and shooting ability. No one wants noah. It's one of the worst contracts in the nba
1) They're both one-dimensional back-ups with bad contracts 2) I'd argue that Crabbe doesn't really give us anything that Lee and Holiday don't provide already. I could see it if he provided quality defense at the three-spot, but he doesn't. 3) Noah is still more productive than Crabbe.
perhaps one could argue that noah is more productive than crabbe (i wouldnt)but simply by age alone - id rather have crabbe
I could make that argument just by pointing at their stats. By I'll go a step forward...Crabbe's career season isn't that much different from what Holiday is doing. I don't see this huge upside in Crabbe. Yeah, he's probably better than holiday, but not a lot. He's a good shooter...That's pretty much it. He doesn't do a good job shot creating his own shot. Is he really going to thrive leaving Lilliard and going to Rose? We need wing defenders like Moe Harkless, not one-dimensional shooters like Crabbe. We suck. Making trade for the sake of making trades won't change that. Why rush to bring in another team's pile of chicken crap in hopes of it changing to soup? We have cap space and draft picks. There's no need for us to make a deal unless we can see a real benefit from it.
Honestly, Noah would probably be an excellent fit on the players. They do not need him to shoot because they have two ball dominant guards that can create off the dribble. He would not need to play major minutes since they have Plumlee and he would solve their rebounding issues plus gain another passer in their spread PnR attack.
