Knicks · GameThread: Noah and Lee are starting tonight v PHO (page 8)

GustavBahler wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Can Kp roll to the basket like WIlly

LOL...most on this forum want him playing stretch 4. He said he did not add upper body muscle in the off season, and I've complained about this for a long time, now.

Also have to say that historically, when he has gone to the basket he hasn't been recognized.

Needs to put on some muscle and stop working on 20 feet from the basket crossovers.

This. Also, KP at the 5 doesn't work if he can't set a screen.

We are still misusing KP. Its a shame because when he is the main focus we seem to be much more dangerous.

I've been saying it for a while now but how about some curl plays for KP? Set a Down Screen for him to catch and shoot in rhythm?

we really need a traditional point guard who can pass.

Yes. In addition to offense, a starting PG who sets the tone on D has a better chance of getting everyone to buy in than one who doesnt play D, but talks about it a lot. Also believe a legit two way PG will get more calls when it matters.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Can Kp roll to the basket like WIlly

LOL...most on this forum want him playing stretch 4. He said he did not add upper body muscle in the off season, and I've complained about this for a long time, now.

Also have to say that historically, when he has gone to the basket he hasn't been recognized.

Needs to put on some muscle and stop working on 20 feet from the basket crossovers.

This. Also, KP at the 5 doesn't work if he can't set a screen.

We are still misusing KP. Its a shame because when he is the main focus we seem to be much more dangerous.

I've been saying it for a while now but how about some curl plays for KP? Set a Down Screen for him to catch and shoot in rhythm?

we really need a traditional point guard who can pass.

Yes. In addition to offense, a starting PG who sets the tone on D has a better chance of getting everyone to buy in than one who doesnt play D, but talks about it a lot. Also believe a legit two way PG will get more calls when it matters.

Yeah I agree. I'm not trying to bash Rose he is great at driving to the hoop but he just isn't a point guard

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Can Kp roll to the basket like WIlly

LOL...most on this forum want him playing stretch 4. He said he did not add upper body muscle in the off season, and I've complained about this for a long time, now.

Also have to say that historically, when he has gone to the basket he hasn't been recognized.

Needs to put on some muscle and stop working on 20 feet from the basket crossovers.

This. Also, KP at the 5 doesn't work if he can't set a screen.

We are still misusing KP. Its a shame because when he is the main focus we seem to be much more dangerous.

I've been saying it for a while now but how about some curl plays for KP? Set a Down Screen for him to catch and shoot in rhythm?

we really need a traditional point guard who can pass.

As soon as we do KP will TAKE OFF! They forget about KP or simply can't make the pass on time or on target.

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Can Kp roll to the basket like WIlly

LOL...most on this forum want him playing stretch 4. He said he did not add upper body muscle in the off season, and I've complained about this for a long time, now.

Also have to say that historically, when he has gone to the basket he hasn't been recognized.

Needs to put on some muscle and stop working on 20 feet from the basket crossovers.

This. Also, KP at the 5 doesn't work if he can't set a screen.

We are still misusing KP. Its a shame because when he is the main focus we seem to be much more dangerous.

I've been saying it for a while now but how about some curl plays for KP? Set a Down Screen for him to catch and shoot in rhythm?

we really need a traditional point guard who can pass.

Yes. In addition to offense, a starting PG who sets the tone on D has a better chance of getting everyone to buy in than one who doesnt play D, but talks about it a lot. Also believe a legit two way PG will get more calls when it matters.

Yeah I agree. I'm not trying to bash Rose he is great at driving to the hoop but he just isn't a point guard

His hands are down and he doesn't pick up his man until he is almost at the three point line. Talking about d is great but he needs to play it.

Willy and Plumlee are better at C for this team than Noah IMO. Even when they played KP and Melo at the 4/5 it was effective but they are paying Noah so much they almost have to play him. I don't see how this is sustainable having all these 5's and no real PG?

nixluva wrote:The Knicks aren't outclassed! They are simply not executing and other teams are. If they could be more efficient on BOTH ENDS it would make all the difference. Wasted possessions and poor D is killing this team.

Willy and Plumlee are better at C for this team than Noah IMO. Even when they played KP and Melo at the 4/5 it was effective but they are paying Noah so much they almost have to play him. I don't see how this is sustainable having all these 5's and no real PG?

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks aren't outclassed! They are simply not executing and other teams are. If they could be more efficient on BOTH ENDS it would make all the difference. Wasted possessions and poor D is killing this team.

Willy and Plumlee are better at C for this team than Noah IMO. Even when they played KP and Melo at the 4/5 it was effective but they are paying Noah so much they almost have to play him. I don't see how this is sustainable having all these 5's and no real PG?

Pretty poor roster planning. Do you think the Knicks should trade for a point guard? I think Briante Weber will make someone look smart when he is eventually signed.

They've gotta do something. BJ started the season looking like he would provide the PG play we need but he fell off a cliff!!! We have no natural PG on the roster and that is a glaring need. I don't have a problem with Rose as a SG but he can't run the team.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Can Kp roll to the basket like WIlly

LOL...most on this forum want him playing stretch 4. He said he did not add upper body muscle in the off season, and I've complained about this for a long time, now.

Also have to say that historically, when he has gone to the basket he hasn't been recognized.

Needs to put on some muscle and stop working on 20 feet from the basket crossovers.

This. Also, KP at the 5 doesn't work if he can't set a screen.

We are still misusing KP. Its a shame because when he is the main focus we seem to be much more dangerous.

I've been saying it for a while now but how about some curl plays for KP? Set a Down Screen for him to catch and shoot in rhythm?

we really need a traditional point guard who can pass.

Yes. In addition to offense, a starting PG who sets the tone on D has a better chance of getting everyone to buy in than one who doesnt play D, but talks about it a lot. Also believe a legit two way PG will get more calls when it matters.

Yeah I agree. I'm not trying to bash Rose he is great at driving to the hoop but he just isn't a point guard

His hands are down and he doesn't pick up his man until he is almost at the three point line. Talking about d is great but he needs to play it.

Yeah Crush I agree his lack of defense is really a Achilles heel. I'm not saying he has to be a top notch defender BUT even adequate defensive play would eliminate so many open looks we give to other teams

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks aren't outclassed! They are simply not executing and other teams are. If they could be more efficient on BOTH ENDS it would make all the difference. Wasted possessions and poor D is killing this team.

Willy and Plumlee are better at C for this team than Noah IMO. Even when they played KP and Melo at the 4/5 it was effective but they are paying Noah so much they almost have to play him. I don't see how this is sustainable having all these 5's and no real PG?

Pretty poor roster planning. Do you think the Knicks should trade for a point guard? I think Briante Weber will make someone look smart when he is eventually signed.

They've gotta do something. BJ started the season looking like he would provide the PG play we need but he fell off a cliff!!! We have no natural PG on the roster and that is a glaring need. I don't have a problem with Rose as a SG but he can't run the team.

You guys watch an entire game and come away after a loss looking for a scapegoat..Rose today??..OK..

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks aren't outclassed! They are simply not executing and other teams are. If they could be more efficient on BOTH ENDS it would make all the difference. Wasted possessions and poor D is killing this team.

Willy and Plumlee are better at C for this team than Noah IMO. Even when they played KP and Melo at the 4/5 it was effective but they are paying Noah so much they almost have to play him. I don't see how this is sustainable having all these 5's and no real PG?

Pretty poor roster planning. Do you think the Knicks should trade for a point guard? I think Briante Weber will make someone look smart when he is eventually signed.

They've gotta do something. BJ started the season looking like he would provide the PG play we need but he fell off a cliff!!! We have no natural PG on the roster and that is a glaring need. I don't have a problem with Rose as a SG but he can't run the team.

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks aren't outclassed! They are simply not executing and other teams are. If they could be more efficient on BOTH ENDS it would make all the difference. Wasted possessions and poor D is killing this team.

Willy and Plumlee are better at C for this team than Noah IMO. Even when they played KP and Melo at the 4/5 it was effective but they are paying Noah so much they almost have to play him. I don't see how this is sustainable having all these 5's and no real PG?

Pretty poor roster planning. Do you think the Knicks should trade for a point guard? I think Briante Weber will make someone look smart when he is eventually signed.

They've gotta do something. BJ started the season looking like he would provide the PG play we need but he fell off a cliff!!! We have no natural PG on the roster and that is a glaring need. I don't have a problem with Rose as a SG but he can't run the team.

You guys watch an entire game and come away after a loss looking for a scapegoat..Rose today??..OK..

This has been a multiplayer discussion and not just about Rose.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks aren't outclassed! They are simply not executing and other teams are. If they could be more efficient on BOTH ENDS it would make all the difference. Wasted possessions and poor D is killing this team.

Willy and Plumlee are better at C for this team than Noah IMO. Even when they played KP and Melo at the 4/5 it was effective but they are paying Noah so much they almost have to play him. I don't see how this is sustainable having all these 5's and no real PG?

Pretty poor roster planning. Do you think the Knicks should trade for a point guard? I think Briante Weber will make someone look smart when he is eventually signed.

They've gotta do something. BJ started the season looking like he would provide the PG play we need but he fell off a cliff!!! We have no natural PG on the roster and that is a glaring need. I don't have a problem with Rose as a SG but he can't run the team.

I think waiving Sasha or NDour and signing Weber to a 10 day makes sense. Maybe NDour shows a lot in practice. I know they have him on a very team friendly deal but I think someone needs to go to make room for a point guard. I don't think the Knicks are waiving Sasha.

nixluva wrote:The Knicks aren't outclassed! They are simply not executing and other teams are. If they could be more efficient on BOTH ENDS it would make all the difference. Wasted possessions and poor D is killing this team.

Willy and Plumlee are better at C for this team than Noah IMO. Even when they played KP and Melo at the 4/5 it was effective but they are paying Noah so much they almost have to play him. I don't see how this is sustainable having all these 5's and no real PG?

They were out classed in the last min of the games, not just once.

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks aren't outclassed! They are simply not executing and other teams are. If they could be more efficient on BOTH ENDS it would make all the difference. Wasted possessions and poor D is killing this team.

Willy and Plumlee are better at C for this team than Noah IMO. Even when they played KP and Melo at the 4/5 it was effective but they are paying Noah so much they almost have to play him. I don't see how this is sustainable having all these 5's and no real PG?

Pretty poor roster planning. Do you think the Knicks should trade for a point guard? I think Briante Weber will make someone look smart when he is eventually signed.

They've gotta do something. BJ started the season looking like he would provide the PG play we need but he fell off a cliff!!! We have no natural PG on the roster and that is a glaring need. I don't have a problem with Rose as a SG but he can't run the team.

I think waiving Sasha or NDour and signing Weber to a 10 day makes sense. Maybe NDour shows a lot in practice. I know they have him on a very team friendly deal but I think someone needs to go to make room for a point guard. I don't think the Knicks are waiving Sasha.

Sasha should have never made the team..We now have to put Baker out there who had no business playing the entire 4th tonight..He didn't do poorly but we need much better than what he provides..

I'm more likely to keep Ndour and waive Sasha, though. I figure Sasha is a Phil thing, but he would be the one to get rid of.

No way that Booker can be left that open for the clincher 3, however.

stopstandthere wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks aren't outclassed! They are simply not executing and other teams are. If they could be more efficient on BOTH ENDS it would make all the difference. Wasted possessions and poor D is killing this team.

Willy and Plumlee are better at C for this team than Noah IMO. Even when they played KP and Melo at the 4/5 it was effective but they are paying Noah so much they almost have to play him. I don't see how this is sustainable having all these 5's and no real PG?

They were out classed in the last min of the games, not just once.

You don't seem to understand what it means to be outclassed!!! The Knicks have been right there in these games but poor decisions, lack of effort or poor execution has caused them to lose these games that were totally winnable.

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks aren't outclassed! They are simply not executing and other teams are. If they could be more efficient on BOTH ENDS it would make all the difference. Wasted possessions and poor D is killing this team.

Willy and Plumlee are better at C for this team than Noah IMO. Even when they played KP and Melo at the 4/5 it was effective but they are paying Noah so much they almost have to play him. I don't see how this is sustainable having all these 5's and no real PG?

Pretty poor roster planning. Do you think the Knicks should trade for a point guard? I think Briante Weber will make someone look smart when he is eventually signed.

They've gotta do something. BJ started the season looking like he would provide the PG play we need but he fell off a cliff!!! We have no natural PG on the roster and that is a glaring need. I don't have a problem with Rose as a SG but he can't run the team.

I think waiving Sasha or NDour and signing Weber to a 10 day makes sense. Maybe NDour shows a lot in practice. I know they have him on a very team friendly deal but I think someone needs to go to make room for a point guard. I don't think the Knicks are waiving Sasha.

Sasha should have never made the team..We now have to put Baker out there who had no business playing the entire 4th tonight..He didn't do poorly but we need much better than what he provides..

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks aren't outclassed! They are simply not executing and other teams are. If they could be more efficient on BOTH ENDS it would make all the difference. Wasted possessions and poor D is killing this team.

Willy and Plumlee are better at C for this team than Noah IMO. Even when they played KP and Melo at the 4/5 it was effective but they are paying Noah so much they almost have to play him. I don't see how this is sustainable having all these 5's and no real PG?

Pretty poor roster planning. Do you think the Knicks should trade for a point guard? I think Briante Weber will make someone look smart when he is eventually signed.

They've gotta do something. BJ started the season looking like he would provide the PG play we need but he fell off a cliff!!! We have no natural PG on the roster and that is a glaring need. I don't have a problem with Rose as a SG but he can't run the team.

I think waiving Sasha or NDour and signing Weber to a 10 day makes sense. Maybe NDour shows a lot in practice. I know they have him on a very team friendly deal but I think someone needs to go to make room for a point guard. I don't think the Knicks are waiving Sasha.

Sasha should have never made the team..We now have to put Baker out there who had no business playing the entire 4th tonight..He didn't do poorly but we need much better than what he provides..

I wonder if Jennings and KO are moved at the deadline.

I'm hoping Phil can get something done before the deadline 😬 There are parts that work and some additions that need to be made to address weaknesses. Just gotta clean up the roster clutter of bigs.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Can Kp roll to the basket like WIlly

LOL...most on this forum want him playing stretch 4. He said he did not add upper body muscle in the off season, and I've complained about this for a long time, now.

Also have to say that historically, when he has gone to the basket he hasn't been recognized.

Needs to put on some muscle and stop working on 20 feet from the basket crossovers.

This. Also, KP at the 5 doesn't work if he can't set a screen.

We are still misusing KP. Its a shame because when he is the main focus we seem to be much more dangerous.

I agree some what but I also think some of it is on KP. He has the choice to pick or pop but he chose to pop even though Willy's hard roll to the basket created a few easy opportunities. They were not always successful but it did put PhX on their heals. He also needs to be aggressive when matched up against shorter players. He is getting Deebo'd on the block by shorties instead of just taking his time. He doesn't have to back them all the way down he can easily face and shoot once he gets to his spot.

I do know he is over looked on a ot of plays too which is not on him but he needs to take another pg out of Willy's book and camp in the lane for a 3 sec call, preferably early in the game.