Knicks · Malik Monk--is there an NBA comparison?? (page 1)

smackeddog wrote:What sort of player would you pair him with in the backcourt? Rubio?

a pass first pg is okay but you would want someone who can score efficiently too. Monk like of size and length may hurt him defensively on the next level similar to how McCollum struggles also. He will also have to work on becoming a more well rounded player because right now he is just a one way scorer and even if he can keep his scoring ability it will take 4 years like it has the other young two guards.

smackeddog wrote:What sort of player would you pair him with in the backcourt? Rubio?

C Wiily G
F KP
F/G unkown
G Monk
PG Holiday

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:What sort of player would you pair him with in the backcourt? Rubio?

C Wiily G
F KP
F/G unkown
G Monk
PG Holiday

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:What sort of player would you pair him with in the backcourt? Rubio?

C Wiily G
F KP
F/G unkown
G Monk
PG Holiday

That would be awesome. With that lineup I'll sign a defensive 3 like PJ tucker for mid level money and be set.

If you could somehow unload Melo for expiring types and/or moveable guys plus a future pick, maybe unload KOQ/LT for second rounders, you'd be in the market for guy like Gordon Hayward.

There is a clear hard line between the top 5-6 percent of college players and all the rest. This difference shows up in the NBA Summer League every year, and even back to the old Continental Basketball Association. ( Guys like Mario Elie and Vincent Askew were big key cogs in the CBA, but were merely role players in the NBA, now Elie did get a lot of high leverage burn, but the reality is that a guy who dominates at a lower level still will likely have to translate his abilities to fit a specific role on a team. You can be "The Man" in high school, but moving up, you have to find a niche to keep playing if you are not that top 5-6 percent of players)

I touted Devin Booker a few years ago, because I saw his talents as projectible to the NBA game, not completely dependent on his college game. Also I touted Kent Bazemore years ago as well when Atlanta signed him for 2 years and 4 million from the Warriors back of the bench.

Scott Machado passes like a deranged lite version of Magic Johnson. That's a heady compliment. The kid can sling the rock and drop dimes all over the court. The kid was born to pass a basketball, his instincts are innate, it's rare to see anything like this period in the game. The problem? All he can do or ever did was pass. He could not shoot, defend, set a pick, fight off a screen, move well off the ball, attack the rim, finish with either hand, operate with his back to the basket, could not do well in transition, had poor situational awareness otherwise.

Players SHOULD dominate at lower levels. The tier in talent is vast. It's like putting a high school basketball player against a 7th grader. There are guys with so much natural ability who can dominate because they are so much more advanced with raw ability. That gap both narrows and widens as they move up the food chain.

Monk will likely not be an All Star or a future HOF player. Could he? Anyone could be, in theory. Can he fill a role defined by the current game? Maybe.

What teams cannot do is the Larry Brown Method ( i.e. see a player have a couple of good games, demand the team trade for him, gutting their team to do it, then falling out of love with him in a few months because his warts begin to show, then dump him for 25 cents on the dollar. You can't build a team like this, anyone who tries is doomed to failure)

Why Bill Belichick succeeds is he sees what a player can do, not project what he hopes a player can be under the most ideal conditions possible. Every car tested in a wind tunnel shows great performance. Put that thing on the road under real conditions and it's a different story. Players are no different.

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:What sort of player would you pair him with in the backcourt? Rubio?

C Wiily G
F KP
F/G unkown
G Monk
PG Holiday

That would be awesome. With that lineup I'll sign a defensive 3 like PJ tucker for mid level money and be set.

Heck yeah, or just start both Holiday brothers.

Or try to move Rose or KOQ for a late first round pick this year and snag OG Anunoby.

BRIGGS wrote:Guy who is scoring 30-40 points as a freshmen---high % volume and effecient 3 shooter who can handle like a PG with elite NBA athleticism and body control? Im starting to believe this is the next Lebron or Jordan--if he was 6-5 instead of 6-3 hed go number #1 10 times over but the way the NBA is now 6-3 isnt small.

He sort of reminds me how Arenas was used in college on Arizona.

But way he comes off screens is very reminiscent of Klay Thompson. I think he'll be a knock down shooter at the next level. He's got a good handle - not convinced I've seen him move the ball very much to make me think he has PG skills.

The real problem with Monk is that he doesn't do anything else other than score so if he can't score like this in the NBA what are you really getting? I think you're going to start getting a lot of Curry comparisons soon but I think it's just as likely you end up with Lou Williams oro Nick Young. Of course, I was scared to death of drafting Curry when he came out so what the fuck do I know.

VCoug wrote:You'd need a tall 3 and D guy; someone who can match up with the other teams' best backcourt player because Monk probably isn't going to do it. And you need someone that doesn't need the ball in their hands since Monk would be dominating the ball. If Monk is legit, you use him the same way Philly used Iverson back in the day.

The real problem with Monk is that he doesn't do anything else other than score so if he can't score like this in the NBA what are you really getting? I think you're going to start getting a lot of Curry comparisons soon but I think it's just as likely you end up with Lou Williams oro Nick Young. Of course, I was scared to death of drafting Curry when he came out so what the fuck do I know.

The guy he is very similar physically to is Westbrook. Sane size 6-3 190 same hops. Westbrook only avg 4 reb 3 as his 2nd year. If you watch Monk he has the ability to be a 5-5-2 guy rebounds assists steals but the point total might be high. What you like is 15 FGA but 23 points per game 50% 42% 82% on a team where they have a bunch of scorers as well--and he is the dominant one. He has a combination of Westbrook and Curry.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:What sort of player would you pair him with in the backcourt? Rubio?

C Wiily G
F KP
F/G unkown
G Monk
PG Holiday

That would be awesome. With that lineup I'll sign a defensive 3 like PJ tucker for mid level money and be set.

If you could somehow unload Melo for expiring types and/or moveable guys plus a future pick, maybe unload KOQ/LT for second rounders, you'd be in the market for guy like Gordon Hayward.

The problem is, under the new CBA, Jazz can offer him way, way more money, just like the Pelicans can with Holiday. I'm giving up on adding top tier talent via free agency, I just don't think it can be done unless you're on the verge of contending and the player is very very disgruntled with their current team to the point that they will be willing to give up tens of millions.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:What sort of player would you pair him with in the backcourt? Rubio?

C Wiily G
F KP
F/G unkown
G Monk
PG Holiday

That would be awesome. With that lineup I'll sign a defensive 3 like PJ tucker for mid level money and be set.

If you could somehow unload Melo for expiring types and/or moveable guys plus a future pick, maybe unload KOQ/LT for second rounders, you'd be in the market for guy like Gordon Hayward.

I would love to see Hayward on the Knicks with KP and Willy.

smackeddog wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:What sort of player would you pair him with in the backcourt? Rubio?

C Wiily G
F KP
F/G unkown
G Monk
PG Holiday

That would be awesome. With that lineup I'll sign a defensive 3 like PJ tucker for mid level money and be set.

If you could somehow unload Melo for expiring types and/or moveable guys plus a future pick, maybe unload KOQ/LT for second rounders, you'd be in the market for guy like Gordon Hayward.

The problem is, under the new CBA, Jazz can offer him way, way more money, just like the Pelicans can with Holiday. I'm giving up on adding top tier talent via free agency, I just don't think it can be done unless you're on the verge of contending and the player is very very disgruntled with their current team to the point that they will be willing to give up tens of millions.

Sometimes you just have to take a shot in the dark and see what happens. Shaq left, LeBron left, Durant left.

- he is small for a SG (Starks was ~6'5" -- I think Monk may be 6'3")
- he has NOT shown any great affinity for ball/handling, passing -- running the offense
- he has a high (sometimes sloppy dribble) and he is particularly vulnerable to TO's in the half-court
- he is outstanding in catch & shoot and catch-pump fake 1 or 2 dribble and shoot situations but he tends to do most of this outside the college 3-point line
- he doesn't show any great ability to get to the rim in half-court sets (something his teammate FOX is unbelievable at)

Could he be a lead (PG) guard in the NBA --- yeah, maybe he could. Could he potentially transition into a R-Westbrook lite - yeah maybe I guess.
He is explosive in the open court, can finish and can stop pop with the best but he is also erratic (hot/cold) and has shown poor shot selection.

I would take Fultz, Ball, Fox, Smith and especially J-Jackson all over Monk. I might even take Tatum, Isaac and Bridges as well. I think Bridges may be the most underrated player in top 12 or so right now.

I see starks but I really see Chris Jackson aka Mahmoud Adual-Rauf