Knicks · KP when asked why the slow start and hot finish (page 1)
In the end I was more involved and the ball was going thru me. The ball was moving, the pace was faster and I think I play better in that style.
So basically he is also done with Melo.
Franchise needs to hand him the keys quickly and get rid of the cancers on this team.
LivingLegend wrote:Not feeling involved, not feeling in rythm.In the end I was more involved and the ball was going thru me. The ball was moving, the pace was faster and I think I play better in that style.
So basically he is also done with Melo.
Franchise needs to hand him the keys quickly and get rid of the cancers on this team.
Rose n Melo suck the life out of the ball. I don't know why Melo has reverted back to being more of a me player. Rose never really bought in emotionally or tried to create a bond with KP. I don't know why but Rose plays like he was Body Snatched. No emotion or fire 🔥 and no team spirit or bonding.
holfresh wrote:0-6, 5-14...His opponent scoring at will and he will pull from the game and yelled at by the coach..Did we miss that ?...Later the coach broke him clipboard slamming it to the ground after a KP defensive play..Did you go to bed by then??
That was both KP and Melo misplaying a give and go. Melo was between the ballhandler and the hoop, he recovered to his man. It was bad D by both.
holfresh wrote:0-6, 5-14...His opponent scoring at will and he will pull from the game and yelled at by the coach..Did we miss that ?...Later the coach broke him clipboard slamming it to the ground after a KP defensive play..Did you go to bed by then??
Why are you dissing KP so much when he's not the multi time All Star or league MVP on this team? KP is just getting started and is 21. He's also 7-3 and still filling out his frame. No one is saying KP is perfect of a finished product. My point has been that THE VETS should be helping to make the game easier for KP. He's got talent and much of it goes to waste on this team playing with Rose and Melo. They should have much better chemistry on both ends by now. If i'm gonna blame anyone it's gonna be the longtime vets that should be LEADING and TEACHING KP and the young guys. WTF do they do at practice every day???
If I was with KP i'd have been working on all kinds of plays with KP to enhance our games together. Working on timing and spacing. Working on signals and tendencies. There's literally nothing stopping these guys from spending extra time working on stuff so they can go into games confident and on the same damn page. They look like strangers and that should never be. It just makes me wonder what really goes on cuz I see ZERO real chemistry among the starters and that's scary at this point in the season. Should we blame KP the youngest for a lack of chemistry??? Isn't that what your starting PG is supposed to be doing? Shouldn't DadMelo have been even better this year than last in terms of setting up his teammates and leading the young players on this team?
By now the ball should be moving freely and at high speed with these players. Where is the growth as a unit together? BJ is the only PG that actually looks to pick up the pace and move the ball. WHY IS THAT THE CASE???
Knixkik wrote:KP doesn't enjoy playing with rose. You can tell. There's front office personnel throughout the league following the knicks and thinking that the knicks are going to destroy KP's development. The guy has talent like few others yet they treat him like another Ryan Anderson when playing alongside melo and rose. KP is absolutely right and changes need to be made to take advantage of his talent. It's terrible watching him get no easy shots at the rim. Every basket he gets he has to work hard for. We need ball movement to get rhythm. There's coaches in the league that would run an offense thru him correctly and he would look like a superstar already.
It seemed like Rose froze KP out of the offense early on in the season. I would like to see Rose traded ASAP but on the other hand he could be this seasons Bargs- draining the teams will to live, destroying chemistry, atrocious defense- he could help us tank the way Bargs did when we got KP.
But this losing is a blessing.
Knicks will trade Melo for young starter and cap space, they will rebuild around KP and Rose will be shown the door. Both Rose n Melo play like they know this even. It's why they even try to play with an extra individual goal, to showcase their skill for other teams.
But long term this is all a blessing in disguise. Worst case for this team would have been Rose/Melo taking over this team and getting them two rounds deep as a 45 win team. So you then see Dolan give Rose 125/5. You'd see Phil have to go out and get more veteran talent. No youth movement or long term planning. KP is number 3 so long as Rose/Melo are in NY.
What's transpired will test our resilience as fans but we are in a greater spot by this chaos season (long term) than had we had a solid season. Instead of investing in Rose long term we will look at a real point guard. Melo is on the trade block and Phil wants to build around KP. We will be drafting 8-10 instead of 16-20.
In 6 months time (July 2017) people will look back at this and say thank god we didn't make the playoff goal. It was a short term short sighted move to help Melo get a run in. It would have been very tough to convince Dolan to let Rose walk and Melo dealt after a playoff season. Right now even Dolan has to see the benefits of rebuilding.
nixluva wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Not feeling involved, not feeling in rythm.In the end I was more involved and the ball was going thru me. The ball was moving, the pace was faster and I think I play better in that style.
So basically he is also done with Melo.
Franchise needs to hand him the keys quickly and get rid of the cancers on this team.
Rose n Melo suck the life out of the ball. I don't know why Melo has reverted back to being more of a me player. Rose never really bought in emotionally or tried to create a bond with KP. I don't know why but Rose plays like he was Body Snatched. No emotion or fire 🔥 and no team spirit or bonding.
kp is brutal when melo is not on the floor. If Kp was aggressive, hitting shots and playing hard with energy, the ball will find you. When your bricking open shot after open shot, no one going to force feed you.
One minute it's "KP is not ready he's only 21" and in the same sentencing im hearing melo and rose is holding him back.
Once again the coaching staff is doing a piss poor job of preparing the team and having them ready.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Not feeling involved, not feeling in rythm.In the end I was more involved and the ball was going thru me. The ball was moving, the pace was faster and I think I play better in that style.
So basically he is also done with Melo.
Franchise needs to hand him the keys quickly and get rid of the cancers on this team.
Rose n Melo suck the life out of the ball. I don't know why Melo has reverted back to being more of a me player. Rose never really bought in emotionally or tried to create a bond with KP. I don't know why but Rose plays like he was Body Snatched. No emotion or fire 🔥 and no team spirit or bonding.
kp is brutal when melo is not on the floor. If Kp was aggressive, hitting shots and playing hard with energy, the ball will find you. When your bricking open shot after open shot, no one going to force feed you.
One minute it's "KP is not ready he's only 21" and in the same sentencing im hearing melo and rose is holding him back.
Once again the coaching staff is doing a piss poor job of preparing the team and having them ready.
Is this true? I don't have the stats but KP seems to play much better w the second unit where what you say is true. You play hard, you cut and the ball finds you and coincidentally (or not) team plays more inspired defense. W first unit there's a lot of standing around watching 1 of 2 guys dribble and then they have to play 4 on 5 or 3 on 5 for defense at other end.
Look, Melo & Rose have warts, but I'm not going to blame them for KP not being able to hit open shots.
franco12 wrote:I'm not slamming KP - but he's missed a lot of open shots of late - and they're not misses really when you can talk about offensive flow. He's missed FTs. He has, perhaps, hit his sophomore wall. Maybe he's hurt or banged up.Look, Melo & Rose have warts, but I'm not going to blame them for KP not being able to hit open shots.
The only open shots he gets are behind the 3pt line. Everything else he has to work for in isolation. That's not the way things should be. A good pg and some ball movement gets him easy shots around the basket. He gets no easy shots now.
Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:I'm not slamming KP - but he's missed a lot of open shots of late - and they're not misses really when you can talk about offensive flow. He's missed FTs. He has, perhaps, hit his sophomore wall. Maybe he's hurt or banged up.Look, Melo & Rose have warts, but I'm not going to blame them for KP not being able to hit open shots.
The only open shots he gets are behind the 3pt line. Everything else he has to work for in isolation. That's not the way things should be. A good pg and some ball movement gets him easy shots around the basket. He gets no easy shots now.
Yes, but when he is wide open, he is bricking the 3pt shots. He is a good shooter. How is he missing FTs? What, Rose didn't set him up?
I'm not disagreeing with you that they should do a better job of getting him open looks and better shots. But, I think its a bigger problem and KP is not making shots that he seemed to make earlier in the year.
In November, he shot .491 from the floor and .400 from 3
December .402 and .400 from 3
January .454 but .293 from 3
And so far in February - just 3 games:
.385 from the floor and .250 from 3.
Maybe KP needs to get stronger? I don't know that you can build a trend and say he's fading, but it sure seems he is.
Knixkik wrote:KP doesn't enjoy playing with rose. You can tell. There's front office personnel throughout the league following the knicks and thinking that the knicks are going to destroy KP's development. The guy has talent like few others yet they treat him like another Ryan Anderson when playing alongside melo and rose. KP is absolutely right and changes need to be made to take advantage of his talent. It's terrible watching him get no easy shots at the rim. Every basket he gets he has to work hard for. We need ball movement to get rhythm. There's coaches in the league that would run an offense thru him correctly and he would look like a superstar already.
This.
I am very concerned that he has regressed this year. Hornacek is a good coach, imo but Rose and Melo are running the show on the floor. Jennings runs the offense that is why you see KP do better with him in the game.
franco12 wrote:Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:I'm not slamming KP - but he's missed a lot of open shots of late - and they're not misses really when you can talk about offensive flow. He's missed FTs. He has, perhaps, hit his sophomore wall. Maybe he's hurt or banged up.Look, Melo & Rose have warts, but I'm not going to blame them for KP not being able to hit open shots.
The only open shots he gets are behind the 3pt line. Everything else he has to work for in isolation. That's not the way things should be. A good pg and some ball movement gets him easy shots around the basket. He gets no easy shots now.
Yes, but when he is wide open, he is bricking the 3pt shots. He is a good shooter. How is he missing FTs? What, Rose didn't set him up?
I'm not disagreeing with you that they should do a better job of getting him open looks and better shots. But, I think its a bigger problem and KP is not making shots that he seemed to make earlier in the year.In November, he shot .491 from the floor and .400 from 3
December .402 and .400 from 3
January .454 but .293 from 3
And so far in February - just 3 games:
.385 from the floor and .250 from 3.
Maybe KP needs to get stronger? I don't know that you can build a trend and say he's fading, but it sure seems he is.
The development of the big man is a process and it is silly to expect KP to get to elite level before age 24-25
The expectations NY fan base and media are creating is mind bugging and counterproductive.
It affects players and the team in very wrong way.
Everyone just should accept they suck (which is true) and will suck for a couple of years from now and let them be and wok on the individual and team game.
LivingLegend wrote:Not feeling involved, not feeling in rythm.In the end I was more involved and the ball was going thru me. The ball was moving, the pace was faster and I think I play better in that style.
So basically he is also done with Melo.
Franchise needs to hand him the keys quickly and get rid of the cancers on this team.
Nothing he said was against Melo and he's clearly not done with Melo so that's just ridiculous and he's far from ready to take over any team especially a New York team. He's playing bad and it's been that way for a while now and when he does get any chances to do anything with the ball ion any big situations he usually misses the shot.
nixluva wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Not feeling involved, not feeling in rythm.In the end I was more involved and the ball was going thru me. The ball was moving, the pace was faster and I think I play better in that style.
So basically he is also done with Melo.
Franchise needs to hand him the keys quickly and get rid of the cancers on this team.
Rose n Melo suck the life out of the ball. I don't know why Melo has reverted back to being more of a me player. Rose never really bought in emotionally or tried to create a bond with KP. I don't know why but Rose plays like he was Body Snatched. No emotion or fire 🔥 and no team spirit or bonding.
Melo takes over because nobody else is doing anything or making any shots so the only choice for him when the team is playing bad and down in points is to do what he knows which is making shots. You can see that nobody wants to take the shot when they are passing the ball around and all anyone does when they get the ball is do what they can to pass it to someone else or get the ball back in Melo's hands. These guys won't even look at anyone else sometimes and they'll just be looking at Melo and waiting for Melo to get a good position on his man so they can get the ball to him. What do you want Melo to do when nobody else wants to take the shot and all they want to do is get the ball back to Melo when there's 7/8 seconds left on the shot clock??
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Knixkik wrote:KP doesn't enjoy playing with rose. You can tell. There's front office personnel throughout the league following the knicks and thinking that the knicks are going to destroy KP's development. The guy has talent like few others yet they treat him like another Ryan Anderson when playing alongside melo and rose. KP is absolutely right and changes need to be made to take advantage of his talent. It's terrible watching him get no easy shots at the rim. Every basket he gets he has to work hard for. We need ball movement to get rhythm. There's coaches in the league that would run an offense thru him correctly and he would look like a superstar already.
This.I am very concerned that he has regressed this year. Hornacek is a good coach, imo but Rose and Melo are running the show on the floor. Jennings runs the offense that is why you see KP do better with him in the game.
I don't think he's regressed. If the season ended today, he's still had a very solid 2nd season. His recent slump coincides with his injury. The problem is, the team has made no effort to get him back involved and get him back into his early season rhythm. We all saw what he is capable of in Nov and Dec. He was averaging 21 ppg on close to 50% shooting and completely taking over games. We know what he is capable of, yet not running an offense that tries to get him back to that. It's like the team is trying to keep him as a spot up shooter until he finds his rhythm again on his own, and that's not how it should work.
However how many good looks do we get him? A player needs to get looks especially a big. Helps confidence and rhythm. Look at Golden State they are elite players on that team and they all get each other great looks.
It was on Melo and Rose to get teammates good looks as stars that's what you are supposed to do. Instead a player like BJ can do it. BJ once scored 50 points in a game. He didn't come into the season looking for his next contract or to get his stats up. He came to play for the team. That's why he passed the ball on instinct.
The whole advantage of having talents like KP, Melo and Rose in one lineup is you are supposed to get easy looks and be hard to defend. If you instead see players like Rose n Melo go one on one, it makes it easy to defend your team. All Rose and Melo had to do is look for teammates who were open when in attacking situation. Instead Rose will almost always look to make a great play over 2-3 defenders in the paint. Melo will try to shoot a tough jumper/ It's just how they operate. Fine for them individually but for the rest of the team it sucks. If Rose were MVP Rose and Melo were 2009 Melo, you could get away with playing that way. The 2017 versions of these players can not justify playing this way.
They are definitely part of the problem. Not the only problem. Not like removing Rose and Melo means this team starts to win championships and dominates the East. But we'd play the right way, we'd play harder and like a cohesive unit. We'd develop our young players better. We may become role player heavy without Rose/Melo, but that's ok. I rather be a 35 win team that uses it's young talent to the most, and plays hard on both ends, draft in the lottery and build a good culture slowly than play one on one, no D ball like we have this season and hold back young talent as well as have a bad culture.
Chandler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Not feeling involved, not feeling in rythm.In the end I was more involved and the ball was going thru me. The ball was moving, the pace was faster and I think I play better in that style.
So basically he is also done with Melo.
Franchise needs to hand him the keys quickly and get rid of the cancers on this team.
Rose n Melo suck the life out of the ball. I don't know why Melo has reverted back to being more of a me player. Rose never really bought in emotionally or tried to create a bond with KP. I don't know why but Rose plays like he was Body Snatched. No emotion or fire 🔥 and no team spirit or bonding.
kp is brutal when melo is not on the floor. If Kp was aggressive, hitting shots and playing hard with energy, the ball will find you. When your bricking open shot after open shot, no one going to force feed you.
One minute it's "KP is not ready he's only 21" and in the same sentencing im hearing melo and rose is holding him back.
Once again the coaching staff is doing a piss poor job of preparing the team and having them ready.
Is this true? I don't have the stats but KP seems to play much better w the second unit where what you say is true. You play hard, you cut and the ball finds you and coincidentally (or not) team plays more inspired defense. W first unit there's a lot of standing around watching 1 of 2 guys dribble and then they have to play 4 on 5 or 3 on 5 for defense at other end.
I doubt it's true. The whole team is playing worse with Melo on the floor. You can search different two man combos on basketball reference and see how the team has done with them on the floor. I'm not sure if this link will work or if you have to do the search in basketball reference but here's the link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Our best 2 man combo this year is Holiday and KP (+87) points. Kuz & KP are +39. KP is in the +20s with many teammates. When Melo and KP are on the court the team is -100. Almost all possible combinations involving Melo are in negative territory.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Not feeling involved, not feeling in rythm.In the end I was more involved and the ball was going thru me. The ball was moving, the pace was faster and I think I play better in that style.
So basically he is also done with Melo.
Franchise needs to hand him the keys quickly and get rid of the cancers on this team.
Rose n Melo suck the life out of the ball. I don't know why Melo has reverted back to being more of a me player. Rose never really bought in emotionally or tried to create a bond with KP. I don't know why but Rose plays like he was Body Snatched. No emotion or fire 🔥 and no team spirit or bonding.
kp is brutal when melo is not on the floor. If Kp was aggressive, hitting shots and playing hard with energy, the ball will find you. When your bricking open shot after open shot, no one going to force feed you.
One minute it's "KP is not ready he's only 21" and in the same sentencing im hearing melo and rose is holding him back.
Once again the coaching staff is doing a piss poor job of preparing the team and having them ready.
It's not on the coaches when the team just isn't listening to them. JH talks about what he wants them to do after every game but they just don't do it so what else can the coaches do? You bench them and it just makes things even worse in the locker room. I'm done with the KP is only 21 talk cause he's playing bad on both ends of the floor. He can't shoot right now, he's horrible on defense, he makes the absolute dumbest fouls ever but just keeps on making them pretty much every game so lets not try to say this stuff is because he's 21. I love KP and was one of the few that wanted the Knicks to draft him and thought he'd be a good player year one but he's playing bad and that's on him.
We need to get rid of D.Rose asap. This team needs a vocal leader which will hopefully come in a new PG. Melo is a star player but he's not a leader of men and that's what he and this team needs.