Knicks · I really like De'Aaron Fox for this team (page 1)

Watched Kentucky play and i'm always left impressed with De'Aaron Fox. He looks like he's going to be really good. His speed, playmaking, and defense translate to the league right away. He's a big PG who is so fast, but doesn't only rely on his speed. He changing speeds a lot and picks his spots. His pick and roll game with KP and Willy could be incredible. If he improves his shooting, he can become an all-star. If he doesn't, he should still end up like a Rubio level PG. If he falls someplace in between, i see a 15 pt/8 ast PG with top 10 defense. He has a high-floor, i don't think he will fail to become a quality starting PG. He has the poise to do well in NY.

If we land 6-10, which is most likely, i hope he is still there and grab him. Resign Jennings and split the time between them his rookie season 24 min each. Jennings can finish games until Fox is ready. They can play together a little too with Fox having the size to defend some 2s at 6'4. We would be set at PG for a long time. Then focus on getting more athletic and better shooting at the wings. Lee and Holiday are a start. Go from there. Perimeter defense will be greatly improved. Offense will be faster and more dynamic. And the offense can run thru KP and Willy. This group can be fun to watch as they grow together and can get to the playoffs sooner rather than later with a core of KP, Willy, and Fox, and the right role players surrounding them.

Same here. I like his game a lot.

And I agree about keeping Jennings as an affordable backup or platoon guy.

He strikes me as a leader. He always seems in control of what Kentucky is doing. Pushes pace and moves the ball well. I was looking at the mock drafts and he definitely stands out to me.

EnySpree wrote:He strikes me as a leader. He always seems in control of what Kentucky is doing. Pushes pace and moves the ball well. I was looking at the mock drafts and he definitely stands out to me.

Absolutely. Seems to have that x-factor and maturity already. He can get into the lane effortlessly like Rose, but is looking to pass first. KP would look like a superstar once again with Fox running the show.

Where is he projected in the draft.

Paris907 wrote:Where is he projected in the draft.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-dra...

#8, just ahead of where we're currently slated to pick.

Is this going to be another year when we look back and regret winning meaningless games down the stretch and miss out on a future HOFer like we did with Steph Curry? Hope not.

For one, I don't see us winning games down the stretch.

Paris907 wrote:Where is he projected in the draft.

Anywhere from 5-11. It's still a tough drsft because outside of Fultz and Ball, you have about 10 other players who all fit in the same Tier and are closely ranked. The depth of the drsft is as strong as you will see from 1 to 12. Then there's a drop off. It will settle a little as the drsft gets closer though.

Knixkik wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Where is he projected in the draft.

Anywhere from 5-11. It's still a tough drsft because outside of Fultz and Ball, you have about 10 other players who all fit in the same Tier and are closely ranked. The depth of the drsft is as strong as you will see from 1 to 12. Then there's a drop off. It will settle a little as the drsft gets closer though.

There's about 15-20 really good players in this draft. Then there's a ton of upperclassmen that could be available in the 2nd.

The Knicks players gave up. I expect them to basically stay where there are. I want them to lose but they have the talent to win still. They will win certain games just because. I just have a good feeling about this draft. It will work out

EnySpree wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Where is he projected in the draft.

Anywhere from 5-11. It's still a tough drsft because outside of Fultz and Ball, you have about 10 other players who all fit in the same Tier and are closely ranked. The depth of the drsft is as strong as you will see from 1 to 12. Then there's a drop off. It will settle a little as the drsft gets closer though.

There's about 15-20 really good players in this draft. Then there's a ton of upperclassmen that could be available in the 2nd.

The Knicks players gave up. I expect them to basically stay where there are. I want them to lose but they have the talent to win still. They will win certain games just because. I just have a good feeling about this draft. It will work out

Phil and Gaines are probably SALIVATING over this crop of prospects!!! This is a bonanza of talent and they have 3 picks. Can't blame Phil for wanting to move Melo and try to get higher in this draft. Imagine if they can add another 1st rd pick!!!

One mock has us taking Fox another has Ntilikina. I would be ecstatic about any of the top guards in this draft.

Knickkik I don't follow college hoops but watched a little of last nights game

Not a big sample size but fox looked a little like elfrid payton

Is that a fair comparison. He seemed more heady than dynamic. Not a knock on him

Chandler wrote:Knickkik I don't follow college hoops but watched a little of last nights game

Not a big sample size but fox looked a little like elfrid payton

Is that a fair comparison. He seemed more heady than dynamic. Not a knock on him

Payton is probably his floor, so i don't think that comparison is too far off. Payton was a late bloomer at a mid-major school, and Fox is already a pretty dominate PG as a freshman at Kentucky. So i don't you can really compare them overall, because Fox is probably as good or better as a freshman than Payton was as a junior. Payton is probably the player we are looking at if he never develops beyond this point, but he has significantly more upside than Payton for sure, and should get better. So at worst he is a Payton-level player, and at best he's a poor man's Wall. He will likely fall someplace in between.

Knixkik wrote:

Chandler wrote:Knickkik I don't follow college hoops but watched a little of last nights game

Not a big sample size but fox looked a little like elfrid payton

Is that a fair comparison. He seemed more heady than dynamic. Not a knock on him

Payton is probably his floor, so i don't think that comparison is too far off. Payton was a late bloomer at a mid-major school, and Fox is already a pretty dominate PG as a freshman at Kentucky. So i don't you can really compare them overall, because Fox is probably as good or better as a freshman than Payton was as a junior. Payton is probably the player we are looking at if he never develops beyond this point, but he has significantly more upside than Payton for sure, and should get better. So at worst he is a Payton-level player, and at best he's a poor man's Wall. He will likely fall someplace in between.

Wall? The thing I noticed a fox is he always has his head up which I like.

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Chandler wrote:Knickkik I don't follow college hoops but watched a little of last nights game

Not a big sample size but fox looked a little like elfrid payton

Is that a fair comparison. He seemed more heady than dynamic. Not a knock on him

Payton is probably his floor, so i don't think that comparison is too far off. Payton was a late bloomer at a mid-major school, and Fox is already a pretty dominate PG as a freshman at Kentucky. So i don't you can really compare them overall, because Fox is probably as good or better as a freshman than Payton was as a junior. Payton is probably the player we are looking at if he never develops beyond this point, but he has significantly more upside than Payton for sure, and should get better. So at worst he is a Payton-level player, and at best he's a poor man's Wall. He will likely fall someplace in between.

Wall? The thing I noticed a fox is he always has his head up which I like.

He's big and fast like Wall is. And statistically he's almost identical to Wall's freshman year at Kentucky. In most drafts Fox would be a top 5 pick. Odds are he's not Wall, but a lesser version is realistic.

Also, this is from an ESPN article a few days back. Chad Ford discusses the best fits among the top PGs and says Fox for the Knicks.
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New York Knicks

Odds of a top-5 pick: 6.0 percent

Chances of drafting a PG: No offense to Derrick Rose or Brandon Jennings, but point guard would be New York's biggest need even if both weren't free agents this summer. The Knicks need an elite playmaker to pair with Kristaps Porzingis. The problem is, they are too good to land a top-5 pick and might not even crack the top 10.

Best PG fit: It's tough to say with so much in flux in New York. Is Phil Jackson going to keep his job? What about Jeff Hornacek? Realistically, the Knicks' two best options might be Fox and Ntilikina.

While I have concerns about Fox's shooting, he adds a sizzle that I think would be a great fit in New York. He's the fastest point guard in the draft, and he has the potential to be the best defensive point guard as well. His playmaking skills are top-notch. I think he would be the guy for the Knicks. -- Ford

Knixkik wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Chandler wrote:Knickkik I don't follow college hoops but watched a little of last nights game

Not a big sample size but fox looked a little like elfrid payton

Is that a fair comparison. He seemed more heady than dynamic. Not a knock on him

Payton is probably his floor, so i don't think that comparison is too far off. Payton was a late bloomer at a mid-major school, and Fox is already a pretty dominate PG as a freshman at Kentucky. So i don't you can really compare them overall, because Fox is probably as good or better as a freshman than Payton was as a junior. Payton is probably the player we are looking at if he never develops beyond this point, but he has significantly more upside than Payton for sure, and should get better. So at worst he is a Payton-level player, and at best he's a poor man's Wall. He will likely fall someplace in between.

Wall? The thing I noticed a fox is he always has his head up which I like.

He's big and fast like Wall is. And statistically he's almost identical to Wall's freshman year at Kentucky. In most drafts Fox would be a top 5 pick. Odds are he's not Wall, but a lesser version is realistic.

Also, this is from an ESPN article a few days back. Chad Ford discusses the best fits among the top PGs and says Fox for the Knicks.
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New York Knicks

Odds of a top-5 pick: 6.0 percent

Chances of drafting a PG: No offense to Derrick Rose or Brandon Jennings, but point guard would be New York's biggest need even if both weren't free agents this summer. The Knicks need an elite playmaker to pair with Kristaps Porzingis. The problem is, they are too good to land a top-5 pick and might not even crack the top 10.

Best PG fit: It's tough to say with so much in flux in New York. Is Phil Jackson going to keep his job? What about Jeff Hornacek? Realistically, the Knicks' two best options might be Fox and Ntilikina.

While I have concerns about Fox's shooting, he adds a sizzle that I think would be a great fit in New York. He's the fastest point guard in the draft, and he has the potential to be the best defensive point guard as well. His playmaking skills are top-notch. I think he would be the guy for the Knicks. -- Ford

Thanks Knickkik. If I were drafting for need it would a pg with his top priorities being defense and passing (tied), and keeping teams honest with his shot. We don't need a shoot first point guard.

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Chandler wrote:Knickkik I don't follow college hoops but watched a little of last nights game

Not a big sample size but fox looked a little like elfrid payton

Is that a fair comparison. He seemed more heady than dynamic. Not a knock on him

Payton is probably his floor, so i don't think that comparison is too far off. Payton was a late bloomer at a mid-major school, and Fox is already a pretty dominate PG as a freshman at Kentucky. So i don't you can really compare them overall, because Fox is probably as good or better as a freshman than Payton was as a junior. Payton is probably the player we are looking at if he never develops beyond this point, but he has significantly more upside than Payton for sure, and should get better. So at worst he is a Payton-level player, and at best he's a poor man's Wall. He will likely fall someplace in between.

Wall? The thing I noticed a fox is he always has his head up which I like.

He's big and fast like Wall is. And statistically he's almost identical to Wall's freshman year at Kentucky. In most drafts Fox would be a top 5 pick. Odds are he's not Wall, but a lesser version is realistic.

Also, this is from an ESPN article a few days back. Chad Ford discusses the best fits among the top PGs and says Fox for the Knicks.
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New York Knicks

Odds of a top-5 pick: 6.0 percent

Chances of drafting a PG: No offense to Derrick Rose or Brandon Jennings, but point guard would be New York's biggest need even if both weren't free agents this summer. The Knicks need an elite playmaker to pair with Kristaps Porzingis. The problem is, they are too good to land a top-5 pick and might not even crack the top 10.

Best PG fit: It's tough to say with so much in flux in New York. Is Phil Jackson going to keep his job? What about Jeff Hornacek? Realistically, the Knicks' two best options might be Fox and Ntilikina.

While I have concerns about Fox's shooting, he adds a sizzle that I think would be a great fit in New York. He's the fastest point guard in the draft, and he has the potential to be the best defensive point guard as well. His playmaking skills are top-notch. I think he would be the guy for the Knicks. -- Ford

Thanks Knickkik. If I were drafting for need it would a pg with his top priorities being defense and passing (tied), and keeping teams honest with his shot. We don't need a shoot first point guard.

His shot doesn't look broken so I have some hope he should be able to improve his shot. I get excited thinking about his DEFENSE tho!!! Man IMO you really increase your chances of winning with a strong defense right up the middle starting with your PG and rim protector.

nixluva wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Chandler wrote:Knickkik I don't follow college hoops but watched a little of last nights game

Not a big sample size but fox looked a little like elfrid payton

Is that a fair comparison. He seemed more heady than dynamic. Not a knock on him

Payton is probably his floor, so i don't think that comparison is too far off. Payton was a late bloomer at a mid-major school, and Fox is already a pretty dominate PG as a freshman at Kentucky. So i don't you can really compare them overall, because Fox is probably as good or better as a freshman than Payton was as a junior. Payton is probably the player we are looking at if he never develops beyond this point, but he has significantly more upside than Payton for sure, and should get better. So at worst he is a Payton-level player, and at best he's a poor man's Wall. He will likely fall someplace in between.

Wall? The thing I noticed a fox is he always has his head up which I like.

He's big and fast like Wall is. And statistically he's almost identical to Wall's freshman year at Kentucky. In most drafts Fox would be a top 5 pick. Odds are he's not Wall, but a lesser version is realistic.

Also, this is from an ESPN article a few days back. Chad Ford discusses the best fits among the top PGs and says Fox for the Knicks.
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New York Knicks

Odds of a top-5 pick: 6.0 percent

Chances of drafting a PG: No offense to Derrick Rose or Brandon Jennings, but point guard would be New York's biggest need even if both weren't free agents this summer. The Knicks need an elite playmaker to pair with Kristaps Porzingis. The problem is, they are too good to land a top-5 pick and might not even crack the top 10.

Best PG fit: It's tough to say with so much in flux in New York. Is Phil Jackson going to keep his job? What about Jeff Hornacek? Realistically, the Knicks' two best options might be Fox and Ntilikina.

While I have concerns about Fox's shooting, he adds a sizzle that I think would be a great fit in New York. He's the fastest point guard in the draft, and he has the potential to be the best defensive point guard as well. His playmaking skills are top-notch. I think he would be the guy for the Knicks. -- Ford

Thanks Knickkik. If I were drafting for need it would a pg with his top priorities being defense and passing (tied), and keeping teams honest with his shot. We don't need a shoot first point guard.

His shot doesn't look broken so I have some hope he should be able to improve his shot. I get excited thinking about his DEFENSE tho!!! Man IMO you really increase your chances of winning with a strong defense right up the middle starting with your PG and rim protector.

agreed. I would love a gary payton clone