EnySpree wrote:holfresh wrote:EnySpree wrote:holfresh wrote:smackeddog wrote:crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
Yep. Phil and Dolan have done more damage to the Knicks in one week than a million Melo Isos.
How so? Iso melo ensures no coach can ever implement their system- the only coach melo liked was Woody and that's because he just ran iso-melo on offense in close games.
Keeping Melo means, more of the same for the next two years, it hinders KPs development, He'll keep getting frozen out of the offense and won't get a lot of experience in close games because Melo will almost always take the last shot. Keeping Melo means your franchise player doesn't play defense. Keeping Melo means you've tied your ship to a player who would rather beat Phil in a p-ing contest than win a championship. Phil was trying to pressure Melo to go- that was noble intent because it needs to happen, keeping Melo does nothing at this point for us or him.
I remember JVG used to call players out in the press all the time, now one tweet (which was 100% the truth) is treated like genocide, it's pathetic.
That's false about Woody only ran ISO Melo..Woody mostly ran a hybrid of MDA PnR with Felton ..He did run ISO Melo as well..Nic was giving credit to MDA for Woody's success if I remembered correctly..
What's false is you thinking Woodson Ran an offense.... they gave Melo the ball every time down. Melo led the league in scoring. Hybrid MDA offense? That's what the media said. Truth is he took over what MDA wanted to do and forced fed Melo. He had super vets like Kidd, Sheed, and the rest keeping everyone in check. Kidd ran that team best believe.
So why was everyone so fond of giving Jason Kidd credit for the ball movemen and why did Doc Rivers claim that Ray Felton was the MVP if the opening playoffs after the way he ran the offense?..No so easy to pitch the hate without facts is it?
You lost me....
My point was that other guys on the team were getting credit for things helping the offense that didn't involve ISO Melo..So your claim that Woodson's offense was only ISO Melo was off based...
holfresh wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:holfresh wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:^
And what happened to Woodson the next year? Lottery.
Same old same old.It won't ever change so long as the team relies that heavily on an inefficient isolation ball dominat player.
You have to transform the way the team plays. High intensity on defense. Ball and player movement on offense.
And who are these high intensity defensive players you are referring to?
The ones you scout, draft and develop.
Or if you see à Jae Crowder or someone like that available you get him in a Melo deal.There's 3 ways you can get these kinds of players.
1- Melo trade. Get the best assets available and turn them into that.
2- Draft. Not hard to draft athletic young players. Easiest way.
3- Free Agency. Hardest way because most players available are coming off their 2nd long term deal and are 27/28 or older. They may not have the most gas left in the tank.
I think all we have to do is value athleticism and defense. Hornachek's system is very fast paced and there's no way older declining players have enough gas in their tank to play high pace (lots of running) and then run back and play hard on D.
First of all, your plan is to build around Porzingus and Willy who cannot defend any frontline position...So please stop pulling the wool over others, certainly not my, eyes talking that you care about defense all of a sudden...
They defended great against the Nets.
They have shown flashes
Biggest mistake with some on this board is they think old school on defense. They think defense starts inside to out. It's opposite. The league is all about guard penetration 3 point shots and quick transition chances. If your perimeter unit is quick athletic and defensive you can win.
The Grizzlies were one of the best defensive teams in the league with 2 slow bigs in Randolph and Gasol. Their perimeter unit was outstanding. Tony Allen, Mike Conley.
And who says at 22 and 21 Willy and KP can not improve ??? KP has all the tools to be a great defender
nyknickzingis wrote:holfresh wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:holfresh wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:^
And what happened to Woodson the next year? Lottery.
Same old same old.It won't ever change so long as the team relies that heavily on an inefficient isolation ball dominat player.
You have to transform the way the team plays. High intensity on defense. Ball and player movement on offense.
And who are these high intensity defensive players you are referring to?
The ones you scout, draft and develop.
Or if you see à Jae Crowder or someone like that available you get him in a Melo deal.There's 3 ways you can get these kinds of players.
1- Melo trade. Get the best assets available and turn them into that.
2- Draft. Not hard to draft athletic young players. Easiest way.
3- Free Agency. Hardest way because most players available are coming off their 2nd long term deal and are 27/28 or older. They may not have the most gas left in the tank.
I think all we have to do is value athleticism and defense. Hornachek's system is very fast paced and there's no way older declining players have enough gas in their tank to play high pace (lots of running) and then run back and play hard on D.
First of all, your plan is to build around Porzingus and Willy who cannot defend any frontline position...So please stop pulling the wool over others, certainly not my, eyes talking that you care about defense all of a sudden...
They defended great against the Nets.
They have shown flashesBiggest mistake with some on this board is they think old school on defense. They think defense starts inside to out. It's opposite. The league is all about guard penetration 3 point shots and quick transition chances. If your perimeter unit is quick athletic and defensive you can win.
The Grizzlies were one of the best defensive teams in the league with 2 slow bigs in Randolph and Gasol. Their perimeter unit was outstanding. Tony Allen, Mike Conley.
And who says at 22 and 21 Willy and KP can not improve ??? KP has all the tools to be a great defender
So they defended the 9-44 Nets, Lin and Scola back ups and possibly the slowest big man on earth in Bropez??
So we are pace to be the second worst team in the league if the Nets stand pat..
So didn't Melo and co. also defend those Nets and get their ass handed to them?
And what about the Lakers game?
Pelicans game?
We can lose to anyone.
But with KP and Willy talent is there to be long term starters for this team.
Well, Dolan said he intends to honour the full five years of phil's contract and not interfere. So either Melo goes or we have a very awkward situation
Wow..71-146..Bring 'em on I guess..
smackeddog wrote:Well, Dolan said he intends to honour the full five years of phil's contract and not interfere. So either Melo goes or we have a very awkward situation
It is supposedly a mutual opt out. Phil can still opt out on his end, though I doubt he will.
Nice of Dolan to support Melo though. Lol what a fricking coward.
One crazy thing is that Dolan was asked if he would comment on the job Phil is doing and he says that is something he would do privately with Phil and not something done in the media..Completely opposite of Phil's actions...
CrushAlot wrote:
I'm DONE with Melo in NY. Melo doesn't want to leave and that's his right but I think we need to focus on building this team with younger and hungrier players. Melo as much as he scores is a BIG part of the problem with this team's defense, lack of effort and lack of ball movement at times. Along with Rose and Lee who also can't defend anymore. Melo should WANT to go to a team that is able to make a playoff run.
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
I'm DONE with Melo in NY. Melo doesn't want to leave and that's his right but I think we need to focus on building this team with younger and hungrier players. Melo as much as he scores is a BIG part of the problem with this team's defense, lack of effort and lack of ball movement at times. Along with Rose and Lee who also can't defend anymore. Melo should WANT to go to a team that is able to make a playoff run.
The way Phil has handled it has been awful. For all of the people that suggest the Knicks should treat Melo wrong (i.e. bench him etc.) it is important to remember that Melo is a member of a union. If things get worse with Phil I wonder if the players association would try to take action against Phil.
CrushAlot wrote:
Crush, you take it all in like "see, another person.......They think Melo is a victim!!!!!!"
So all Michelle Roberst is saying they wish they would sitdown and talk.
Thats so amazing right?
Phil is not happy with melons play. Thats the issue.
Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
Crush, you take it all in like "see, another person.......They think Melo is a victim!!!!!!"
So all Michelle Roberst is saying they wish they would sitdown and talk.
Thats so amazing right?
Phil is not happy with melons play. Thats the issue.
I didn't take it like that. I agree with her that they should sit down and talk. From a distance it appears there is a communication problem. I do like the'ask Phil' response that both Dolan and Melo used.
CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
Crush, you take it all in like "see, another person.......They think Melo is a victim!!!!!!"
So all Michelle Roberst is saying they wish they would sitdown and talk.
Thats so amazing right?
Phil is not happy with melons play. Thats the issue.
I didn't take it like that. I agree with her that they should sit down and talk. From a distance it appears there is a communication problem. I do like the'ask Phil' response that both Dolan and Melo used.
We all want it plays out in the open. You don't think Melo's agent is not in touch with the team? You don't think there has been any discussion other than what is in the media? We are not privy to everything.
Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
Crush, you take it all in like "see, another person.......They think Melo is a victim!!!!!!"
So all Michelle Roberst is saying they wish they would sitdown and talk.
Thats so amazing right?
Phil is not happy with melons play. Thats the issue.
I didn't take it like that. I agree with her that they should sit down and talk. From a distance it appears there is a communication problem. I do like the'ask Phil' response that both Dolan and Melo used.
We all want it plays out in the open. You don't think Melo's agent is not in touch with the team? You don't think there has been any discussion other than what is in the media? We are not privy to everything.
Yep. We are only privy to Phil's tweets. But I agree with Michelle Roberts. It would be nice if this wasn't litigated in social media.
