He had a decent game against SA but other than that his game all season has regressed.
He really looks like a lower IQ selfish player right now. He takes quick bad shots--he doesnt pass-he could play well inside but he doesnt. What ws that half hearted hook shot he took tonight?
They need to counsel him and define his game. Stop witrh the stupid crossover dribble and learn the 12 foot bank shot or some good K Mchale type of interior footwork. Hes got to turn his game around find out what the word pass means stop playing NBA 2K and use his size to his advantage.
He looked totally gassed. This year they got to work on his stamina Phil needs to get him to Tim Grover or get him on what LeBron is taking.
We're really bad at developing players here. Last year, KP started well ahead of Jokic... then by the end of the season Jokic was playing better than KP... now Jokic looks like the far superior player and KP looks to have not improved shot selection, not worked on his body the right way, not improved his defense, still making bad fouls, etc.
Also, Rose is the total wrong PG for him. Jennings should start the rest of the year and Rose should come off the bench as a scoring 6th man.
He has been hurt and recently sick. He has improved over last year with his offense and seems stronger. Another offseason is needed. He needs to be able to post up the smaller defenders some teams have learned to use to defend him. It negates being 7'3 is you can't post up and score over a 6'7 guy every damn time. He needs the strength to do that and an offseason to practice those post moves. Willy should help him friend out. Imagine KP with Wily's moves?
He hasn't looked bad all season- he looked great at the start, then injuries and drama. All part of player development. He takes bad shots because he so rarely gets the ball, he tries to take whatever opportunities he can.
Also KP was sick, he said he had that stomach ailment again and threw up in the third quarter
When your role models are people who have never made a pass their entire lives, this is what you learn.
His points
2 point field goal
3 point field goal
True shooting percentage
All bettter than last year.
Guess we can go by the eye test or look at his statistics which show improvement
Rose makes no one better
Rose was a very bad choice for this team
When Rose plays one on one no one gets rhythm.
KP has regressed from the start of the season. That I agree. He looks tired and as if he has lost some of his touch on his moves. Since the Achilles injury he has never had the same touch scoring wise on a consistent basis.
That said right now he's at 18p/7r/2 blk a game on a team with Rose n Melo.
He is still on his way to becoming a very good player.
We need him to work on his post game.
We need to replace Rose with a real point guard.
We need to move on from Melo to get young and more athletic.
Maybe he is not that good
I don't want to hear about he's been sick. I posted this in another thread - look at his shooting break down month by month - November was outstanding, and then he had another decent month in December and then it was essentially downhill - especially from 3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
He's rushing shots - partly that's mental.
My thought was this team came out of training camp knowing how to play, and then they've gotten sloppy/lazy and developed bad habits.
We've got a mix of a young team and an old team with bad habits. We need a coach like Hubie Brown to sit on guys every day.
He will be fine. He's a better player this year than last. Different pg will make a huge difference. These types of threads really show why ny is such a hard place to build a team and develop players.
players cant struggle? Take lumps? Go through slumps? Wow
fishmike wrote:players cant struggle? Take lumps? Go through slumps? Wow
Not in NY they can't. You are only as good as your last game with this fan base.
fishmike wrote:players cant struggle? Take lumps? Go through slumps? Wow
Worst is in an awful game he had the best +/- of all the starters with a -1. Rose and Melo had worse +/- rating. KP was a clear factor with rim protection in the first half.
In a real bad game he had 11 points 7 boards 2 blocks 1 steal 1 three pointer and was a net -1 while suffering from a stomach virus. His main problem is his post game. Teams switch on us and put smalls and the team does not go to him enough. When they do go he has not dominated or looked great.
We have to rebuild. We have to trust young player development. When a small is on KP, we must keep going to him. He won't develop if we keep him staying out there as a 3 point shooter all game. However with Rose n Melo, his highest value to them and the starters is as a 3 point shooter.
I can't wait for a real rebuild. I know Phil knows this. It's all about a few more months. Next season, people knocking KP and applauding the older, no defense playing, low energy vets will look like fools. In the 4th Q there was a possesion where the team had a loose ball and KP threw his body to the floor and dove for the ball saving it. Many fans don't see these little things. Meanwhile our vets like Lee were laughing when we were down 12 with 2 min to go. There's a really really bad culture with the vets, Horny and the team this year. If there's one thing I agree with Fisher on, he brought a better culture to the team. The vets last year bonded with Fisher. This year's vets have no competitive spirit.
As for KP, it's frustrating watching him let smalls get away with defending him. He has to go to work. He is hanging out at the 3 point line when he should be going towards the basket and posting up more. However again, I also think he plays that way knowing what Melo and Rose do best. He is playing off them or trying to play off them. The one thing he could do way better next to Rose is set hard screens and roll. However he's not Jokic. He's modeled his game after Dirk. Softer screens and to get back at the top of the key or to get a small in an isolation. That was Dirk's game. Don't ask a guy who modeled his game after Dirk to mow play like a legit modern day Center. Never going to happen. What KP must do is get more aggressive in posting up, to be more comfortable taking the ball to the basket off drives. His teammates also have to look for him. The team has no trust in KP when he's matched up against smalls.
nyknickzingis wrote:His points
2 point field goal
3 point field goal
True shooting percentage All bettter than last year.
Guess we can go by the eye test or look at his statistics which show improvement
Rose makes no one better
Rose was a very bad choice for this team
When Rose plays one on one no one gets rhythm.
KP has regressed from the start of the season. That I agree. He looks tired and as if he has lost some of his touch on his moves. Since the Achilles injury he has never had the same touch scoring wise on a consistent basis.
That said right now he's at 18p/7r/2 blk a game on a team with Rose n Melo.
He is still on his way to becoming a very good player.
We need him to work on his post game.
We need to replace Rose with a real point guard.
We need to move on from Melo to get young and more athletic.
Replacing Rose will make a huge difference. A player like him needs playmaking help. The offense is sort of taking turns playing isoball, and KP is being forced into that. I am fully confident that 29 teams would be using him differently and are scratching their heads at the way the Knicks are using KP. There is a serious player development concern with this team in general, and the win at all cost mentality and the knee-jerk fan base is really hurting things. Late in this season, the focus needs to change on developing him as the star talent that he is, and stop trying to force him to play in a Melo-driven, iso-offense. We saw what happened to Jokic the minute Denver figured out how to use him, i think we will see the same with KP.
The way KP plays when Jennings is out there with the 2nd unit, if only we could bottle that aggression and style up for an entire game. Again though I think KP recognizes those moments as his time to step up with Rose/Melo on the bench. When he starts next to Rose/Melo he thinks his value is of shooting jumpers, playing off them. Which is in theory is true, but the problem is that KP's skills and Melo/Rose's skills do not complement one another. Melo/Rose would do better with a more modern day 5 who had a power game, powerful hard screens, strong rolls to the basket, good passing up high ala Jokic. I know why fans like Jokic, but the way Jokic plays is and is built is different. Similarly, Melo/Rose skills do not complement KP's. We need a point guard more like how Jennings tries to play like, and we need a 3 that defends, spots up and moves the ball quickly. This allows KP to be in the role he usually has with the 2nd unit.
It is what it is, and it won't change until the team makes a decision on Melo/Rose. If they decide to keep Melo/Rose longterm (god forbid they do this) they definitely have to either move KP to the bench or move KP for a player who plays more like Jokic. In my opinion, KP's 21 years old and you do your best to maximize his talent vs vets who are on their way down and in Rose's case only playing for themselves and their next contract. So long as Phil is here, I feel good about us valuing KP, Willy and young players development. If Phil leaves this summer, I sincerely worry that we would do what we have always done and that is devalue young players and their development in favor of veterans with established star power and fancy moves. Rebuilding is the only way out of this mess. No easy short cuts. We tried this year, it's time to move on.
nyknickzingis wrote:The way KP plays when Jennings is out there with the 2nd unit, if only we could bottle that aggression and style up for an entire game. Again though I think KP recognizes those moments as his time to step up with Rose/Melo on the bench. When he starts next to Rose/Melo he thinks his value is of shooting jumpers, playing off them. Which is in theory is true, but the problem is that KP's skills and Melo/Rose's skills do not complement one another. Melo/Rose would do better with a more modern day 5 who had a power game, powerful hard screens, strong rolls to the basket, good passing up high ala Jokic. I know why fans like Jokic, but the way Jokic plays is and is built is different. Similarly, Melo/Rose skills do not complement KP's. We need a point guard more like how Jennings tries to play like, and we need a 3 that defends, spots up and moves the ball quickly. This allows KP to be in the role he usually has with the 2nd unit. It is what it is, and it won't change until the team makes a decision on Melo/Rose. If they decide to keep Melo/Rose longterm (god forbid they do this) they definitely have to either move KP to the bench or move KP for a player who plays more like Jokic. In my opinion, KP's 21 years old and you do your best to maximize his talent vs vets who are on their way down and in Rose's case only playing for themselves and their next contract. So long as Phil is here, I feel good about us valuing KP, Willy and young players development. If Phil leaves this summer, I sincerely worry that we would do what we have always done and that is devalue young players and their development in favor of veterans with established star power and fancy moves. Rebuilding is the only way out of this mess. No easy short cuts. We tried this year, it's time to move on.
If we keep Jennings as a long-term backup, and add one of the good PGs in the draft, i think it will make all the difference. You can just see how playing next to Rose has negatively affected KP. He has a lot to work on himself, but a change in the offense and with the PG will eliminate the need for him to have to play iso and take tough shots to get his points.
Not trying to make excuses for KP but I think the Achilles injury and this longterm stomach ailment he has had has affected him. I never dealt with a achilees injury(THANKFULLY) but I did play through numerous stomach issues and it completely gasses you out quickly especially as a point guard
Waay too much ISO play from KP. It has taken the league long to figure out 7'3" guy doing a crossover is gonna have the ball exposed. How many times has he done that move and the defender swats the ball away. What is frustrating that is that this positioning of him at the top of the key is by design. Teams just put a small man on him.
fishmike wrote:players cant struggle? Take lumps? Go through slumps? Wow
You can. But when there is a trend line heading down, I think it's fair to ask the question has he regressed?
If you look at his monthly averages, they're getting worse as the season goes on. He needs to figure this out.
Is this all on him? Of course not. Coach needs to do something and if Phil trades Jennings, then that is a bad move as far as helping KP out.
franco12 wrote:fishmike wrote:players cant struggle? Take lumps? Go through slumps? Wow
You can. But when there is a trend line heading down, I think it's fair to ask the question has he regressed? If you look at his monthly averages, they're getting worse as the season goes on. He needs to figure this out.
Is this all on him? Of course not. Coach needs to do something and if Phil trades Jennings, then that is a bad move as far as helping KP out.
But ins't the trend going up for Feb? Jan was bad but also was the time of his achilles injury.
Nov: very good (21.8 and 7.3 - 33.8 min)
Dec: slightly down but still decent (18.5 and 8.8 - 35.9 min)
Jan: down (13.9 and 4.3 - 29.0 min)
Feb: trending up (16.4 and 7.6 - 31.1 min)
Knixkik wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:His points
2 point field goal
3 point field goal
True shooting percentage All bettter than last year.
Guess we can go by the eye test or look at his statistics which show improvement
Rose makes no one better
Rose was a very bad choice for this team
When Rose plays one on one no one gets rhythm.
KP has regressed from the start of the season. That I agree. He looks tired and as if he has lost some of his touch on his moves. Since the Achilles injury he has never had the same touch scoring wise on a consistent basis.
That said right now he's at 18p/7r/2 blk a game on a team with Rose n Melo.
He is still on his way to becoming a very good player.
We need him to work on his post game.
We need to replace Rose with a real point guard.
We need to move on from Melo to get young and more athletic.
Replacing Rose will make a huge difference. A player like him needs playmaking help. The offense is sort of taking turns playing isoball, and KP is being forced into that. I am fully confident that 29 teams would be using him differently and are scratching their heads at the way the Knicks are using KP. There is a serious player development concern with this team in general, and the win at all cost mentality and the knee-jerk fan base is really hurting things. Late in this season, the focus needs to change on developing him as the star talent that he is, and stop trying to force him to play in a Melo-driven, iso-offense. We saw what happened to Jokic the minute Denver figured out how to use him, i think we will see the same with KP.
I disagree, Yesterday I watched kp on the floor with the 2nd unit, (no melo or rose) and every player ignored him, Even JVG, and the other 2 guys stated they didn't even realize he was still on the floor.
I saw baker and lee look him off on 2 occasions. He tries to play like he's 6 5", which is probably why phil once said he's too tall for his own good (in a nut shell).
