Knicks · To keep perspective on our talent level (page 2)
TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Jusus Nurkic just had a 28 point 20 rebound 8 assist 2 steal 6 block game. Our boy KP could not to that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZFrOii_IuY
Counting stats can't just be seen in a vacuum.Likelihood to be injured, competition, contract length, age, ability to overcome tradeoffs in one's individual game, roster fit, usage, stage of the season, opportunity based on injuries, etc, etc.
Byron Mullens could score 50 a game if you gave him enough shots.
Antwawn Jamison is the king of empty stats.
If you can't help a team win actual team basketball, who cares how much those individual stats pop out.
Totally agree, and the thing I'm worried about KP is he's putting up nice numbers on a sucky team.
A 7'3 guy doing a classic MJ move.
KP has all the talent in the world. I don't know if he'll put it all together, but I'd give him 4 full years to let him evolve, develop his body. Ewing came to the Knicks at 23. KP is 21. I'm interested to see where KP will be at 23. Until then, I am patient.
I do think Knicks look better defensively when KP plays 5, with Lance Thomas in for Willy. The Willy/KP/Melo lineup sucks defensively.
I don't get the reason to question his talent. He has all the talent, the issue I see are two fold. For one, I think he can not defend small athletic 4's and the Knicks keep matching him up with those. The other thing is his post game needs to improve because teams get away with murder playing smalls against him.
However for what it's worth KP has had a solid year - 18 points a game as a 3rd option, top 5 in protecting the rim, youngest ever in breaking the 100blk/100 3 point club (13th ever). Not a great year, still not a superstar, has alot work left to do, but I'm happy he's a Knick and he's on the right path.
smackeddog wrote:Jusuf Nurkic just had a 7 points (2 of 8 shooting) 7 rebounds 2 assists 5 turnovers game. Our boy KP could not to that.
Don't get me wrong, there is a ton to like about Nurkic. He moves extremely well for a big man of his size, and even with injuries, he still can get around. For a classic "Big Monster" type big man, his court awareness and situational awareness are very very good. He is not afraid to bang it out, and in fact, he appears to want to bang it out. If he played in an earlier era, we'd see him rip Danny Fortson's throat out ala Patrick Swayze in Road House and piss on Fortson's dead corpse. If he faced the Bad Boys, he'd chew up Mahorn and Salley for lunch. He is a pretty good passer for a big man and he does force other teams to alter their shots. In the post, his fundamentals are solid and he operates well in traffic and in close contact and he can hoover them off the glass.
He can't shoot from long range, he is a foul machine who, on top of that, doesn't get any close calls from the refs, and he will likely profile out as a player always fighting injuries to stay in the lineup.
Can he help an NBA team? Yes, but he needs a strong fit
How does he profile out? As a 3rd or 4th rotational big, to shade his ability to stay on the court and keep him as healthy as possible
He's a matchup weapon, and in the right matchup, he will light someone up. But he's not going to offer the kind of consistency and provide the kind of usage the Knicks would likely need from where they stand now.
He would be a good light pickup if the Knicks could get him cheap ( they wouldn't), if they could use him to his maximize effectiveness ( sadly, they wouldn't) , could shade his usage ( they probably can't or would not) and accept his injury profile ( just not enough talent on the roster to hide both him and Noah)
Comparing Nurkic to KP is both unfair to KP and Nurkic.
The prevailing point remains the same, you can't just look at a small sample size and just the counting stats without any kind of actual context to evaluate a player. Melo can't help the Knicks because he just doesn't care. Nurkic would not help the Knicks because his fit and limitations create trade offs the current franchise and roster can't resolve.
Sadly, Nurkic does possess many elements that would make him very effective in a "Triangle" offense, but his skill set simply runs counter to the kind of big man that Hornacek needs and operates best with ( i.e. a Stretch 5) In the end, players don't matter and won't matter until the Knicks fix their front office problems first. Get a young GM with a background in a front office, a winning one, and let him pick his coach, one with the same vision and viewpoint on building a team and style of play, and then let them do their jobs without owner interference. Is it that hard? The Knicks make it so much damn harder than it has to be.
TripleThreat wrote:Dolan probably goes with a name brand of some sort when Phil leaves but I generally agree with your point about getting a young gm and a coach that have the same vision. I remember reading that Dolan has expressed an interest in Masai and I googled it and found this from last summer. I think Masai and Phil have contracts that end at the same time. If Dolan is interested I think he would throw a ton of money at Masai.smackeddog wrote:Jusuf Nurkic just had a 7 points (2 of 8 shooting) 7 rebounds 2 assists 5 turnovers game. Our boy KP could not to that.
Don't get me wrong, there is a ton to like about Nurkic. He moves extremely well for a big man of his size, and even with injuries, he still can get around. For a classic "Big Monster" type big man, his court awareness and situational awareness are very very good. He is not afraid to bang it out, and in fact, he appears to want to bang it out. If he played in an earlier era, we'd see him rip Danny Fortson's throat out ala Patrick Swayze in Road House and piss on Fortson's dead corpse. If he faced the Bad Boys, he'd chew up Mahorn and Salley for lunch. He is a pretty good passer for a big man and he does force other teams to alter their shots. In the post, his fundamentals are solid and he operates well in traffic and in close contact and he can hoover them off the glass.He can't shoot from long range, he is a foul machine who, on top of that, doesn't get any close calls from the refs, and he will likely profile out as a player always fighting injuries to stay in the lineup.
Can he help an NBA team? Yes, but he needs a strong fit
How does he profile out? As a 3rd or 4th rotational big, to shade his ability to stay on the court and keep him as healthy as possible
He's a matchup weapon, and in the right matchup, he will light someone up. But he's not going to offer the kind of consistency and provide the kind of usage the Knicks would likely need from where they stand now.
He would be a good light pickup if the Knicks could get him cheap ( they wouldn't), if they could use him to his maximize effectiveness ( sadly, they wouldn't) , could shade his usage ( they probably can't or would not) and accept his injury profile ( just not enough talent on the roster to hide both him and Noah)
Comparing Nurkic to KP is both unfair to KP and Nurkic.
The prevailing point remains the same, you can't just look at a small sample size and just the counting stats without any kind of actual context to evaluate a player. Melo can't help the Knicks because he just doesn't care. Nurkic would not help the Knicks because his fit and limitations create trade offs the current franchise and roster can't resolve.
Sadly, Nurkic does possess many elements that would make him very effective in a "Triangle" offense, but his skill set simply runs counter to the kind of big man that Hornacek needs and operates best with ( i.e. a Stretch 5) In the end, players don't matter and won't matter until the Knicks fix their front office problems first. Get a young GM with a background in a front office, a winning one, and let him pick his coach, one with the same vision and viewpoint on building a team and style of play, and then let them do their jobs without owner interference. Is it that hard? The Knicks make it so much damn harder than it has to be.
To Dolan’s credit, he is giving himself a safety net for when Jackson’s contract expires in two seasons or if Jackson decides to step away or is fired before his deal runs out.http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/new-y...
Among the list of potential successors is believed to be Toronto Raptors GM Masai Ujiri, the highly regarded Africa-born executive who has an interesting history with Dolan…So clearly, this falls under the category, “if you can’t beat him, hire him.”
It’s also worth noting that Ujiri was originally brought to Toronto by Tim Leiweke, former CEO of Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG) and Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment (MLSE). Leiweke has since left Toronto and has started a business with Azoff. There’s that man again