It's like doubly demoralizing when the opposing team hits a three on us, because you know Phil is up sitting in the stands thinking "That's not championship basketball."
Lance with absolutely fantastic D on Blake there.
Breen and Clyde are now talking about how parking is different for Clippers vs Lakers games.
crzymdups wrote:Breen and Clyde are now talking about how parking is different for Clippers vs Lakers games.
Fisher and Shaquille doing a great job explaining what to expect from the triangle..
holfresh wrote:crzymdups wrote:Breen and Clyde are now talking about how parking is different for Clippers vs Lakers games.
Fisher and Shaquille doing a great job explaining what to expect from the triangle..
That's what I get for watching MSG
Love it when TNT spends over 1 minute of play minimizing the game screen and splitting it in half it while the 3 announcers talk.
Idiotic.
crzymdups wrote:holfresh wrote:crzymdups wrote:Breen and Clyde are now talking about how parking is different for Clippers vs Lakers games.
Fisher and Shaquille doing a great job explaining what to expect from the triangle..
That's what I get for watching MSG
its important that they start building around KP and really hit on their draft pick. If they do that good things will happen here for the first time in years
Knicks are jeopardizing the 10 point spread in this one. Refs immediately call a foul.
Perfect metaphor for the Knicks season...
Just to get back to the question of Melo and PnR under Hornacek versus last year under Fish/Rambis. He's doing it more this year than last year. I couldn't do a split by month, which would've been more informative. At any rate Melo doesn't use PnR enough given his ability as a PnR Ball Handler.
Playtype Pick & Roll Ball Handler
FT TO SF AND ONE SCORE
PLAYER TEAM GP POSS FREQ PPP PTS FGM FGA FG% EFG% FREQ FREQ FREQ FREQ FREQ PERCENTILE
2016-17 Carmelo Anthony NYK 56 3.8 16.3% 0.85 3.3 1.3 3.1 42.5 45.1 8.9% 12.6% 7.9% 2.8% 40.2% 61.6
2015-16 Carmelo Anthony NYK 72 3.0 13.1% 0.80 2.4 0.9 2.4 39.2 43.6 7.3% 14.7% 6.4% 0.9% 37.2% 57.2
http://stats.nba.com/players/ball-handle...
nixluva wrote:Just to get back to the question of Melo and PnR under Hornacek versus last year under Fish/Rambis. He's doing it more this year than last year. I couldn't do a split by month, which would've been more informative. At any rate Melo doesn't use PnR enough given his ability as a PnR Ball Handler.Playtype Pick & Roll Ball Handler
FT TO SF AND ONE SCORE
PLAYER TEAM GP POSS FREQ PPP PTS FGM FGA FG% EFG% FREQ FREQ FREQ FREQ FREQ PERCENTILE
2016-17 Carmelo Anthony NYK 56 3.8 16.3% 0.85 3.3 1.3 3.1 42.5 45.1 8.9% 12.6% 7.9% 2.8% 40.2% 61.6
2015-16 Carmelo Anthony NYK 72 3.0 13.1% 0.80 2.4 0.9 2.4 39.2 43.6 7.3% 14.7% 6.4% 0.9% 37.2% 57.2
http://stats.nba.com/players/ball-handle...
Unless you can separate out the games just Fisher coached, I'm not really interested in the Fisher/Rambis combo numbers.
Anyone who watched the games can tell you Melo ran the pick and roll a lot more under Fisher than he has even under Hornacek and that the play became non-existent under Rambis, just as it has become non-existent since they re-focused on the Triangle at the all-star break.
crzymdups wrote:
I think Phil via Rosen was right- Melo is a willing passer if he thinks it will directly lead to an assist, otherwise forget it.
Was it a rest game for Scorebot or has he been benched?
smackeddog wrote:Was it a rest game for Scorebot or has he been benched?
Scorebot was upset with the tanking. lol
I liked KP's game. Played really well. I think the Triangle suits him alot. His 3 point shot is off, but he needs to keep shooting those. He needs to work on adding more arc. His 3 ball is too flat.
Fisher's quote on KP sums up what I've always liked about him. He is the opposite of many young stars in the league.
At this point in the season, a loss is better than a win, and I personally want young players to get their chances and play well in losses. Tonight Willy struggled, but KP played really well. Hopefully Willy can play better next game. The losses sit much better with me if Willy and KP play well and we lose, than if KP/Willy are non-factors and we lose.
Hornachek was tanking hard in this game. The second quarter lineup he rolled out for a long stretch had 4 D leaguers in it. That early to go a Plumlee, Kuz, Randle, Baker .... with no Rose/Melo/KP with them. Definitely think he's in on the tank now.
We may win 2 or 3 more games rest of the season. Can top 5 (5th) actually be possible?
One thing about KP, he needs to take and operate more like a tradiotional big. He's better closer to the basket, than far away. His main strength is free throw line, mid-range and around that. His long 2's and 3's are killing his shooting percentages and his impact on the offense. For spacing reasons, I get why he hangs outside so much, but I really wnat him focusing more on getting shots closer to the basket. He did that after a slow start yesterday (1-5) and finished making 8 of his next 11 shots (8 of his next 10 that were inside the arc). He's very very hard to defend from those looks as it's like a free throw line for him.
smackeddog wrote:Was it a rest game for Scorebot or has he been benched?
Scorebot is pulling a DRose on us. There will be no sanctions or further comments from management.
nyknickzingis wrote:smackeddog wrote:Was it a rest game for Scorebot or has he been benched?
Scorebot was upset with the tanking. lolI liked KP's game. Played really well. I think the Triangle suits him alot. His 3 point shot is off, but he needs to keep shooting those. He needs to work on adding more arc. His 3 ball is too flat.
Fisher's quote on KP sums up what I've always liked about him. He is the opposite of many young stars in the league.
At this point in the season, a loss is better than a win, and I personally want young players to get their chances and play well in losses. Tonight Willy struggled, but KP played really well. Hopefully Willy can play better next game. The losses sit much better with me if Willy and KP play well and we lose, than if KP/Willy are non-factors and we lose.
Hornachek was tanking hard in this game. The second quarter lineup he rolled out for a long stretch had 4 D leaguers in it. That early to go a Plumlee, Kuz, Randle, Baker .... with no Rose/Melo/KP with them. Definitely think he's in on the tank now.
We may win 2 or 3 more games rest of the season. Can top 5 (5th) actually be possible?
I'm sure we will win a game we don't expect to somewhere along the way, but every game we play for the rest of the year is against a team that needs the game for playoffs positioning until the last game against the Sixers. I could see a scenario where we lose out. A game back of the Sixers and Magic in the all important tank standings. Hopefully we can at least tie those two teams
crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:Just to get back to the question of Melo and PnR under Hornacek versus last year under Fish/Rambis. He's doing it more this year than last year. I couldn't do a split by month, which would've been more informative. At any rate Melo doesn't use PnR enough given his ability as a PnR Ball Handler.Playtype Pick & Roll Ball Handler
FT TO SF AND ONE SCORE
PLAYER TEAM GP POSS FREQ PPP PTS FGM FGA FG% EFG% FREQ FREQ FREQ FREQ FREQ PERCENTILE
2016-17 Carmelo Anthony NYK 56 3.8 16.3% 0.85 3.3 1.3 3.1 42.5 45.1 8.9% 12.6% 7.9% 2.8% 40.2% 61.6
2015-16 Carmelo Anthony NYK 72 3.0 13.1% 0.80 2.4 0.9 2.4 39.2 43.6 7.3% 14.7% 6.4% 0.9% 37.2% 57.2
http://stats.nba.com/players/ball-handle...
Unless you can separate out the games just Fisher coached, I'm not really interested in the Fisher/Rambis combo numbers.
Anyone who watched the games can tell you Melo ran the pick and roll a lot more under Fisher than he has even under Hornacek and that the play became non-existent under Rambis, just as it has become non-existent since they re-focused on the Triangle at the all-star break.
I think perhaps perception is clouding your memory a bit. Melo under Rambis still passed the ball about the same amount as before. He did peak at 5.2 assists in January and Rambis took over in February where he averaged 4.9 assists. The rest of the way he was still at about 4 assists. The style may have shifted but Melo still gets the ball in a lot of the same spots regardless and pretty much the same opportunities exist for him to be a playmaker if he chooses to be. This year he's mostly chosen not to be. Melo's Assist % this year is 14.2% and last year it was 20.9%.
crzymdups wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Derrick Rose is a jackass. He pounded the ball until 7 seconds left on the shot clock and then kicks to a contested jumper. That is not winning basketball and a dickhead move. If you're going to produce a last second, low percentafe shot at least go ahead and take it yourself. Don't let your teammate get stuck with the hot potato.
I think he just honestly doesn't understand how to pass the ball to create better shots for people. He just has no court vision. Which is insane for a guy who's played the point guard as a pro for nine years... but that's what it seems like.
Because he and certain others are so confused about the system, he is trying to invent his own version of SSOL.
Can't fix Stoopid
crzymdups wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:smackeddog wrote:Was it a rest game for Scorebot or has he been benched?
Scorebot was upset with the tanking. lolI liked KP's game. Played really well. I think the Triangle suits him alot. His 3 point shot is off, but he needs to keep shooting those. He needs to work on adding more arc. His 3 ball is too flat.
Fisher's quote on KP sums up what I've always liked about him. He is the opposite of many young stars in the league.
At this point in the season, a loss is better than a win, and I personally want young players to get their chances and play well in losses. Tonight Willy struggled, but KP played really well. Hopefully Willy can play better next game. The losses sit much better with me if Willy and KP play well and we lose, than if KP/Willy are non-factors and we lose.
Hornachek was tanking hard in this game. The second quarter lineup he rolled out for a long stretch had 4 D leaguers in it. That early to go a Plumlee, Kuz, Randle, Baker .... with no Rose/Melo/KP with them. Definitely think he's in on the tank now.
We may win 2 or 3 more games rest of the season. Can top 5 (5th) actually be possible?
I'm sure we will win a game we don't expect to somewhere along the way, but every game we play for the rest of the year is against a team that needs the game for playoffs positioning until the last game against the Sixers. I could see a scenario where we lose out. A game back of the Sixers and Magic in the all important tank standings. Hopefully we can at least tie those two teams
when Melo/Rose sit the 2nd unit plays very hard and moves the ball. That squad is going to keep us in games. Melo and Rose will have their shooting nights and we will win a couple. Its tough to avoid. Knicks could finish as high as 4 which would be amazing. They could be as low as 8 which would be really bad. Knicks are neck and neck with Phil/Sac/Minn/Orl. Those are the 4 teams that if we beat gets us to 4. If they out tank us we end up 8th
Its important. The Chi/Phili games coming up are the only ones vs. tanking teams. That being said I think we are looking at 2-10 which ends us at 29-53. We should be picking pretty high
nixluva wrote:crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:Just to get back to the question of Melo and PnR under Hornacek versus last year under Fish/Rambis. He's doing it more this year than last year. I couldn't do a split by month, which would've been more informative. At any rate Melo doesn't use PnR enough given his ability as a PnR Ball Handler.Playtype Pick & Roll Ball Handler
FT TO SF AND ONE SCORE
PLAYER TEAM GP POSS FREQ PPP PTS FGM FGA FG% EFG% FREQ FREQ FREQ FREQ FREQ PERCENTILE
2016-17 Carmelo Anthony NYK 56 3.8 16.3% 0.85 3.3 1.3 3.1 42.5 45.1 8.9% 12.6% 7.9% 2.8% 40.2% 61.6
2015-16 Carmelo Anthony NYK 72 3.0 13.1% 0.80 2.4 0.9 2.4 39.2 43.6 7.3% 14.7% 6.4% 0.9% 37.2% 57.2
http://stats.nba.com/players/ball-handle...
Unless you can separate out the games just Fisher coached, I'm not really interested in the Fisher/Rambis combo numbers.
Anyone who watched the games can tell you Melo ran the pick and roll a lot more under Fisher than he has even under Hornacek and that the play became non-existent under Rambis, just as it has become non-existent since they re-focused on the Triangle at the all-star break.
I think perhaps perception is clouding your memory a bit. Melo under Rambis still passed the ball about the same amount as before. He did peak at 5.2 assists in January and Rambis took over in February where he averaged 4.9 assists. The rest of the way he was still at about 4 assists. The style may have shifted but Melo still gets the ball in a lot of the same spots regardless and pretty much the same opportunities exist for him to be a playmaker if he chooses to be. This year he's mostly chosen not to be. Melo's Assist % this year is 14.2% and last year it was 20.9%.
The idea that Melo chooses how the offense is set up and calls his own number on pick and rolls is completely ridiculous. What are there coaches for anyway?
Unless you have the splits about pick and roll percentage, I think you are just making stuff up from your own perception. Assists do not equal pick and rolls. But Melo's drop in assists from January and February through the rest of the season is definitely evidence something changed - Fisher coached over half the games in February - unless you have the pick and roll percentage by month, you're wasting my time.
The bottom line - Fisher had Melo placed at the point forward position in the Triangle, where Melo was actually becoming a very solid playmaker. This included pick and rolls. It led to some of the highest assist numbers of Melo's career for a few months. The assist percentage means Fisher was doing a damn good job as coach, not that Melo CHOSE to run pick and rolls. That's really one of the most absurd statements you've ever made, man.
