He was utterly destroyed two games in a row.
He is not balanced and undisciplined offensively and slow footed and weak defensively.
I'm not sure what position he plays right now
He tries to play like a 3 from either the 4-5 and is not a willing passer. He needs a lot of work.
BRIGGS wrote:He was utterly destroyed two games in a row.
He is not balanced and undid plumed offensively and slow footer and weak defensively.
I'm not sure what position he plays he tries to play like a 3 from either the 4-5 and is but a willing passer. He needs a lot of work.
Gobert worked his way into this after 4 years of NBA seasoning. I had him on my fantasy team 2 years ago when he was a 2nd year player and he played like a bitch and was frustrating to own.
Even with KP trying to find his way and getting owned by Gobert tonight he still dropped 24-7. When KP is in his 4th year like Gobert I expect that same climb in strength, understanding and comfort.
Deandre Jordan didn't bring his game together until his 6th year in the league.
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:He was utterly destroyed two games in a row.
He is not balanced and undid plumed offensively and slow footer and weak defensively.
I'm not sure what position he plays he tries to play like a 3 from either the 4-5 and is but a willing passer. He needs a lot of work.
Gobert worked his way into this after 4 years of NBA seasoning. I had him on my fantasy team 2 years ago when he was a 2nd year player and he played like a bitch and was frustrating to own.
Even with KP trying to find his way and getting owned by Gobert tonight he still dropped 24-7. When KP is in his 4th year like Gobert I expect that same climb in strength, understanding and comfort.
Deandre Jordan didn't bring his game together until his 6th year in the league.
WELL SAID!!! I was gonna say pretty much the same. Just imagine where KP and Willy will be when they get stronger???
What? You act like this was a KP vs Gobert the entire time...
KP just gave Gobert 24, so much for being a top defensive player. He needs a lot of work too.
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:He was utterly destroyed two games in a row.
He is not balanced and undid plumed offensively and slow footer and weak defensively.
I'm not sure what position he plays he tries to play like a 3 from either the 4-5 and is but a willing passer. He needs a lot of work.
Gobert worked his way into this after 4 years of NBA seasoning. I had him on my fantasy team 2 years ago when he was a 2nd year player and he played like a bitch and was frustrating to own.
Even with KP trying to find his way and getting owned by Gobert tonight he still dropped 24-7. When KP is in his 4th year like Gobert I expect that same climb in strength, understanding and comfort.
Deandre Jordan didn't bring his game together until his 6th year in the league.
Kp needs a lot of work.
He wasn't even supposed to be able to CONTRIBUTE for years when we drafted him. You F'n know this so CUT IT OUT!!! KP has exceeded early expectations. He wasn't even supposed to be playing center for years because he was so skinny. Give him a chance to fill out for goodness sakes!
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:He was utterly destroyed two games in a row.
He is not balanced and undid plumed offensively and slow footer and weak defensively.
I'm not sure what position he plays he tries to play like a 3 from either the 4-5 and is but a willing passer. He needs a lot of work.
Gobert worked his way into this after 4 years of NBA seasoning. I had him on my fantasy team 2 years ago when he was a 2nd year player and he played like a bitch and was frustrating to own.
Even with KP trying to find his way and getting owned by Gobert tonight he still dropped 24-7. When KP is in his 4th year like Gobert I expect that same climb in strength, understanding and comfort.
Deandre Jordan didn't bring his game together until his 6th year in the league.
Kp needs a lot of work.
So did Gobert and many many others that grew into studs. With that said even though KP needs a lot of work and has been getting beat up in the paint. He still has produced 24-7 and 18-11 vs these more experienced and physically mature players. So if he is dropping that while needing a lot of work, imagine KP 2 years from now.
nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:He was utterly destroyed two games in a row.
He is not balanced and undid plumed offensively and slow footer and weak defensively.
I'm not sure what position he plays he tries to play like a 3 from either the 4-5 and is but a willing passer. He needs a lot of work.
Gobert worked his way into this after 4 years of NBA seasoning. I had him on my fantasy team 2 years ago when he was a 2nd year player and he played like a bitch and was frustrating to own.
Even with KP trying to find his way and getting owned by Gobert tonight he still dropped 24-7. When KP is in his 4th year like Gobert I expect that same climb in strength, understanding and comfort.
Deandre Jordan didn't bring his game together until his 6th year in the league.
Kp needs a lot of work.
He wasn't even supposed to be able to CONTRIBUTE for years when we drafted him. You F'n know this so CUT IT OUT!!! KP has exceeded early expectations. He wasn't even supposed to be playing center for years because he was so skinny. Give him a chance to fill out for goodness sakes!
He needs multi years of physical work
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:He was utterly destroyed two games in a row.
He is not balanced and undid plumed offensively and slow footer and weak defensively.
I'm not sure what position he plays he tries to play like a 3 from either the 4-5 and is but a willing passer. He needs a lot of work.
Gobert worked his way into this after 4 years of NBA seasoning. I had him on my fantasy team 2 years ago when he was a 2nd year player and he played like a bitch and was frustrating to own.
Even with KP trying to find his way and getting owned by Gobert tonight he still dropped 24-7. When KP is in his 4th year like Gobert I expect that same climb in strength, understanding and comfort.
Deandre Jordan didn't bring his game together until his 6th year in the league.
Kp needs a lot of work.
So did Gobert and many many others that grew into studs. With that said even though KP needs a lot of work and has been getting beat up in the paint. He still has produced 24-7 and 18-11 vs these more experienced and physically mature players. So if he is dropping that while needing a lot of work, imagine KP 2 years from now.
Kp stats the last 2 games are "air" stats -- like you look at the boxscores and think what? You watched the game-- he was mauled
KP is overrated, it's just that simple. He's a competent young player, but he gets outplayed every game. Certainly can't be the centerpiece of a rebuilding effort - good third or fourth option. Because he's so overrated right now, we could probably trade him for an elite point guard.
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:He was utterly destroyed two games in a row.
He is not balanced and undid plumed offensively and slow footer and weak defensively.
I'm not sure what position he plays he tries to play like a 3 from either the 4-5 and is but a willing passer. He needs a lot of work.
Gobert worked his way into this after 4 years of NBA seasoning. I had him on my fantasy team 2 years ago when he was a 2nd year player and he played like a bitch and was frustrating to own.
Even with KP trying to find his way and getting owned by Gobert tonight he still dropped 24-7. When KP is in his 4th year like Gobert I expect that same climb in strength, understanding and comfort.
Deandre Jordan didn't bring his game together until his 6th year in the league.
Kp needs a lot of work.
So did Gobert and many many others that grew into studs. With that said even though KP needs a lot of work and has been getting beat up in the paint. He still has produced 24-7 and 18-11 vs these more experienced and physically mature players. So if he is dropping that while needing a lot of work, imagine KP 2 years from now.
Kp stats the last 2 games are "air" stats -- like you look at the boxscores and think what? You watched the game-- he was mauled
Yea I watched Gobert physically dominate the Knicks. I saw him grab rebounds and tip ins over KP like he wasn't even there. But again Gobert is in his 4th year in the league don't know how this is hard to comprehend. I have followed Gobert since owning him on my fantasy teams over the last 2 years. And he grew into this stud player after yrs of physical development and experience.
KP is still being productive while being physically over matched. Hassan Whiteside was also physically overmatched and lacked seasoning and was out of the league for 2 years at the age of 23-24 and yet has grown into the player he is. So imagine what he(KP) can do when he develops physically. At least KP has air stats to at least fall back on. I don't know if I can simplify it even more for you.
I know being Knicks fans that we aren't used to watching the tedious development of young players as they go through there growing pains.
But this is what it looks like.
So Knicks fans are not patient again.
newyorknewyork wrote:I know being Knicks fans that we aren't used to watching the tedious development of young players as they go through there growing pains. But this is what it looks like.
Yeah we've sucked for 15 years. Actually I'm old enough to have seen Patrick Ewing as a rookie and the development of the Knicks into a nice team for ten years. But we don't have the same management nor do we have Pat Riley
I said this year's ago when I first signed on, and everybody jumped on me. But this is why we can't build a youth movement on NY....Because of impatient and high expectation emotional fans like this.
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:I know being Knicks fans that we aren't used to watching the tedious development of young players as they go through there growing pains. But this is what it looks like.
Yeah we've sucked for 15 years. Actually I'm old enough to have seen Patrick Ewing as a rookie and the development of the Knicks into a nice team for ten years. But we don't have the same management nor do we have Pat Riley
Ewing was a 23 yr old rookie with 4 years of college experience and a polished game coming into the league. They don't come to the league like that anymore. Knicks still didn't become a winning team until his 4 season.
BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:He was utterly destroyed two games in a row.
He is not balanced and undid plumed offensively and slow footer and weak defensively.
I'm not sure what position he plays he tries to play like a 3 from either the 4-5 and is but a willing passer. He needs a lot of work.
Gobert worked his way into this after 4 years of NBA seasoning. I had him on my fantasy team 2 years ago when he was a 2nd year player and he played like a bitch and was frustrating to own.
Even with KP trying to find his way and getting owned by Gobert tonight he still dropped 24-7. When KP is in his 4th year like Gobert I expect that same climb in strength, understanding and comfort.
Deandre Jordan didn't bring his game together until his 6th year in the league.
Kp needs a lot of work.
He wasn't even supposed to be able to CONTRIBUTE for years when we drafted him. You F'n know this so CUT IT OUT!!! KP has exceeded early expectations. He wasn't even supposed to be playing center for years because he was so skinny. Give him a chance to fill out for goodness sakes!
He needs multi years of physical work
Of course, what 2nd year player doesn't? How do you think Dirk in his second year would have fared vs Gobert? You have zero patience for players we draft.
MaulingandAppalling wrote:KP is overrated, it's just that simple. He's a competent young player, but he gets outplayed every game. Certainly can't be the centerpiece of a rebuilding effort - good third or fourth option. Because he's so overrated right now, we could probably trade him for an elite point guard.
Some Knick fans are great! He is way ahead of where we thought he'd be at this point when we drafted him, but as is typical for 2nd year Knick players, some fans have decided he's a bum because they think we should just magic up instantly perfect players without putting in the time and support
BRIGGS wrote:He was utterly destroyed two games in a row.
He is not balanced and undisciplined offensively and slow footed and weak defensively.
I'm not sure what position he plays right now
He tries to play like a 3 from either the 4-5 and is not a willing passer. He needs a lot of work.
I disagree about the passing bit, but I think this is KPs problem right now - he is a '3' trapped in the body of a '5' that hasn't matured yet.
I see Durant being what we're hoping for from KP - and yes, no guarantees he matures and develops to that greatness. I'll take a poor man's Durant!
But I think it's fair to question- as a 7'3" player, will he be able to take players off the dribble like he tries?
Will be bulk up enough to be able to develop a post/interior game?
He could end up a tweener that puts up great numbers, but not a great player.
KP scoress team high points, knocks down 3 three pointers, 1 steal, 1 block with a final line of 24 points and yet KP is not "ready".
I'd like to see all the great players who are "ready" at 21 then.
He's been our best scoring and offensive player in March and in the Triangle. I don't know what Briggs expects of him, but he has been showing more willingness and ability to create shots and make things happen. He's takem every match up on, and is't shying away from creating on offense anymore. I like that. Last season KP was too passive. This year he's become more confident in creating and it's showing.
24 points on 17 shots is always a good finish. Only 31 minutes. The Knicks are moving him from position to position, to see where he can do more. He's had some games at 5, others at 4 this last month. There's no consistency with our game planning and it's hard for any player to become defensively great when you're moved position to position.
Gobert and DeAndre, Blake as well, these are all players who thrive when an opposing PG gets into the paint or moving off the ball. They are not scoring these points on KP all one on one in defense. Many of their points are when they get to move off the ball. You have to help the helper. The Knicks rarely help the helper.
That said, KP's man defense is weak this year. No arguments he has to still work and improve. But I love what he's doing on offense right now. He's not shy, he's taking it to the basket and taking shots that last year he was passing up. He's becoming more and more like a player that can be the primary scorer on a team.
