Knicks · Melo is at peace but still doesn't get it (page 5)
...coach Mike D'Antoni. He pulled Melo out of his prime position as a finisher to attempt a point forward style of play. Melo is not LeBron James, and the clash of styles again gave media fuel to paint Anthony as the stubborn malcontent—especially when 10-day contract reserve Jeremy Lin arrived and went on a month long tear through the league, saving the Knicks' season. While that too would fade away, the idea of trading Anthony to focus on Lin was entertained by many.http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/03/ca...
Last year we saw DadMelo and it was good. It was something to build on going forward. Melo decided not to continue playing that way which shows he learned NOTHING.
crzymdups wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:nyk4ever wrote:nyk4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:nyk4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...wow mentioning melo with all those guys is pure comedy. but it's really funny you should mention james harden... isn't it ironic that harden is averaging near a triple-double with the coach that melo was to stubborn to adapt to and decided to stop playing for? if that's not exhibitA of how melo has handled his whole entire career in the NBA, i'm not sure what is.
Yet another one of your silly post out of the rafters to drop on us..I would respond thoughtfully but you don't reciprocate so I won't waste my time...
actually, funny you say that. the last time you said that to me, and i forget which thread it was now, but it was like a week ago? i responded directly to your post and what a surprise, you never answered. so maybe you should heed your own advice and holier than thou attitude.
and to be honest, if you "responded thoughtfully" (which btw is something you never do) you would be saying something negative about melo. so instead of doing that, you just deflect, to cover your own melo-loving ass. it's cool, we all see it man.
still waiting for a response holfresh. thanks. although, i dont think this surprises anyone. you deflect and run, every.single.time. but yet, i'm the one who "drops in" please. the irony is real.
I deflect and run, really??? Me??...Jokes...You and Bonn play these games..here goes..
Harden plays the PG role which is the most important role in MDA's offense..But you know this...Melo is not a PG..But you know this..Melo was asked to stand in the corner and shoot threes while playing with MDA..But you know this...So you asked how does Harden thrive in an MDA offense because he accepted his role and Melo wasn't a fit in MDA offense..Do you now understand why I think it's a dumb question/statement and not worth a response??...Bonn does stuff like that as well...PG role and yet he even rebounds better than Melo! It's crazy to ever compare the two.
Ok...Do you think they will get beyond the second round of the playoffs???
Sorry I was making that comment half-jokingly. I'm not sure. I think Harden brings much more to the table than Melo and I think Houston got a steal when they traded for him. But I'm still not the biggest Harden fan. He has his weaknesses and I'd have a lot of reluctance giving him a supermax contract. That said, in the east, I think Houston would make it to the conference finals most years. Not sure about in the west though.I know many here don't care...Harden plays zero defense..ZERO...Melo and Harden are volume scorers..They put up the same stats in their primes but Harden is a better assist guy..Harden is playing a different role with MDA..They will lose in the second round..Just like Melo..
The only time Knick fans care about defense is with regards to Melo and Rose...Everyone else not playing defense is fine with them...
I wouldn't agree with any of the claims you made there, but what exactly is your point? Melo is comparable to Harden - a guy who you're not a fan of?Also, Melo's in his 14th season, 32 yrs old. Harden is in his 8th, 27yrs old. Is 27yr old Harden better than 32yr old Melo? Yes. Is this really shocking to you?
No, it's why I knew that giving him the then largest contract in the world and throwing in an NTC was ridiculous. (I'm still waiting for the point in the new CBA where Melo's contract becomes a bargain!) But I'd take 27 year old Harden over 27 year old Melo too.
nixluva wrote:MDA did in FACT try to put Melo in a Point Forward position and Melo reluctantly went thru the motions. Even still it was one of the best Assist seasons for Melo. If he had bought in fully it could have been even better....coach Mike D'Antoni. He pulled Melo out of his prime position as a finisher to attempt a point forward style of play. Melo is not LeBron James, and the clash of styles again gave media fuel to paint Anthony as the stubborn malcontent—especially when 10-day contract reserve Jeremy Lin arrived and went on a month long tear through the league, saving the Knicks' season. While that too would fade away, the idea of trading Anthony to focus on Lin was entertained by many.http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/03/ca...Last year we saw DadMelo and it was good. It was something to build on going forward. Melo decided not to continue playing that way which shows he learned NOTHING.
Man, the Knicks could've been great if only 32 yr old Melo decided to be a passing point forward.
One question - was it Melo's decision not to run the triangle starting the year or was that Hornacek? Because I seem to remember Hornacek saying he'd install his offense with "triangle aspects." But I guess I misheard and it was all Melo's fault.
Bonn1997 wrote:crzymdups wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:nyk4ever wrote:nyk4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:nyk4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...wow mentioning melo with all those guys is pure comedy. but it's really funny you should mention james harden... isn't it ironic that harden is averaging near a triple-double with the coach that melo was to stubborn to adapt to and decided to stop playing for? if that's not exhibitA of how melo has handled his whole entire career in the NBA, i'm not sure what is.
Yet another one of your silly post out of the rafters to drop on us..I would respond thoughtfully but you don't reciprocate so I won't waste my time...
actually, funny you say that. the last time you said that to me, and i forget which thread it was now, but it was like a week ago? i responded directly to your post and what a surprise, you never answered. so maybe you should heed your own advice and holier than thou attitude.
and to be honest, if you "responded thoughtfully" (which btw is something you never do) you would be saying something negative about melo. so instead of doing that, you just deflect, to cover your own melo-loving ass. it's cool, we all see it man.
still waiting for a response holfresh. thanks. although, i dont think this surprises anyone. you deflect and run, every.single.time. but yet, i'm the one who "drops in" please. the irony is real.
I deflect and run, really??? Me??...Jokes...You and Bonn play these games..here goes..
Harden plays the PG role which is the most important role in MDA's offense..But you know this...Melo is not a PG..But you know this..Melo was asked to stand in the corner and shoot threes while playing with MDA..But you know this...So you asked how does Harden thrive in an MDA offense because he accepted his role and Melo wasn't a fit in MDA offense..Do you now understand why I think it's a dumb question/statement and not worth a response??...Bonn does stuff like that as well...PG role and yet he even rebounds better than Melo! It's crazy to ever compare the two.
Ok...Do you think they will get beyond the second round of the playoffs???
Sorry I was making that comment half-jokingly. I'm not sure. I think Harden brings much more to the table than Melo and I think Houston got a steal when they traded for him. But I'm still not the biggest Harden fan. He has his weaknesses and I'd have a lot of reluctance giving him a supermax contract. That said, in the east, I think Houston would make it to the conference finals most years. Not sure about in the west though.I know many here don't care...Harden plays zero defense..ZERO...Melo and Harden are volume scorers..They put up the same stats in their primes but Harden is a better assist guy..Harden is playing a different role with MDA..They will lose in the second round..Just like Melo..
The only time Knick fans care about defense is with regards to Melo and Rose...Everyone else not playing defense is fine with them...
I wouldn't agree with any of the claims you made there, but what exactly is your point? Melo is comparable to Harden - a guy who you're not a fan of?Also, Melo's in his 14th season, 32 yrs old. Harden is in his 8th, 27yrs old. Is 27yr old Harden better than 32yr old Melo? Yes. Is this really shocking to you?
No, it's why I knew that giving him the then largest contract in the world and throwing in an NTC was ridiculous. (I'm still waiting for the point in the new CBA where Melo's contract becomes a bargain!) But I'd take 27 year old Harden over 27 year old Melo too.
I wonder who gave Melo that contract anyway? I bet it was Melo!
crzymdups wrote:nyk4ever wrote:crzymdups wrote:nyk4ever wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:holfresh wrote:You want to talk about Melo and playoffs? Sorry... this is all you need to know:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...
Those guys actually did it in a way that helped their teams win though (efficient scoring and/or a strong impact on both ends of the court). How many games these past years have we won where Melo scored 30 to 40? Those guys also could do this and pile up the assists - they weren't neglecting their teammates.
Harden gets 30 to 40 with remarkable efficiency due to his FT shooting. Westbrook and Kobe were able to get 30 to 40 with reasonably good efficiency and still save enough energy for outstanding defense and they were good at setting their teammates up. (And I shouldn't even need to explain MJ.)
The concern with Melo is that when he talks about a reduced role on offense, he's probably thinking taking 18 shots a game instead of 20. I've never seen him take a seriously reduced role. The best thing he could do would be take 12 or 13 high quality shots a game and then use his passing skills to improve his teammates, and save his energy for defense. He actually can be an excellent passer and good defender when he wants to be. The problem is not with his skills - it's his approach to the game. This hasn't changed in the past 14 years.Well we can compare rosters position for position, you really want o go there???
Melo has had enough all-stars, award-winning teammates (DPOY, MVP candidate) that he should have been able to do much better than he has. Of course teammates matter but no, I will not say this is 100% due to his teammates or even close to that. Teammates can never be an excuse for poor shot selection and poor defense. As long as you have guys who can make a layup you should not be chucking off-balance mid range shots with 15 left on the shot clock.
????..Who, name them!!!
Are you serious? Are you actually watching? Billups, Stoudemire, Tyson, Iverson. Most teams don't have two all-stars but he has had an all-star teammate many seasons. And he's had plenty of competent non-all-star teammates too. He's had enough support that if he actually used his skill set intelligently (on both ends of the court), his teams would have done much better than .300 or so in the playoffs and .500 in the regular season. (I'm just estimating the career winning percentages.) He's had a max contract skill set with a poor mindset his whole career.
Hahaha...You are joking Bonn...You spin everything you type...You are in a world of spin to suit your argument...You spin every stat you want to promote like +/-...When will you get serious...I'm not going to waste my time telling Amare was injured which you know and Iverson was old...If you want a serious discussion, don't act like I'm an idiot..
And Melo got to the WCF with Billups...http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
So I was on basketball-reference.com and went through all his playoff game logs. I kept my criteria simple. 40% Shooting.
Folks have always said Melo's had to play tough teams, the West was loaded, cant hold him accountable for not beating the Spurs and Lakers etc when nobody was... we have been through it ad nauseum
I knew this year would show it pretty clearly but other years paint the same picture when you combine them.
These last playoffs:
Melo shoots +40%: Knicks are 5-1
Melo shoots -40%: Knicks are 1-5
Wow. I certainly blame JR's abysmal shooting as well, and I especially kill Chandler for gettig mowed over by Hibbert but when you look at the best player on the team hard to ignore that.
His career?
Melo shoots +40%: his teams are 15-17
Melo shoots -40%: his teams are 7-24
What is uterly shocking is that in 66 playoff games Melo has failed to shoot over 40% in 34 of them.
Melo had a monster year last year and Im hoping he picks up where he left off in that regard. But come post season something needs to give if the Knicks wants to have any chance of competing.
To me the only saving grace is defense. If we build a defensive monster we can still win regardless of this. In 2009 when Melo was playing with KMart, Nene, Billups and Dante Jones they had the formula to make it work.
Can Chandler, MWP, Shump and Felton match the defense those Denver guys were able to grind out?
Hard to see this team ever sustain a playoff run without an elite caliber defense...Been there, done that... holfesh is still hanging onto an Isiah comeback.
Sorry... Melo's abysmal playoff record is directly related to his poor play.
What about Chris Paul's? He's never even made the conference finals and he's had much better teammates than Melo and some consider him the best point guard of all time.
Melo is what he is. Anyone expecting him to magically turn into a point forward with great court vision and passing skills is delusional. His best season here? Woodson accepted what he was. Melo had a career low assist percentage. Knicks won 54 games. They "needed him to score 30 or 40" every night and he did and led the league in scoring.
These hissy fits you guys throw where you can't accept that Melo is a scorer are just getting sad. You know why he's not as good as he used to be? He's 33! He's been in the league 14 years! He's old. Jesus, you guys are a bunch of cry babies. Sure, it's all Melo's fault. Phil has valiantly been the best gm in the league and would've done great if it weren't for Melo. Gimme a fuckin break.
You wanna compare Melo to Lebron or Harden? How about we compare Phil's gm record to Pat Riley's? Crickets, right?
i'm kinda jumping in on this, so sorry for doing that. but.... how come when we talk about melo and his faults, you bring up phil? melo's track record (here and elsewhere) dates long before phil entered the equation.
Because Melo was doing pretty well before Phil showed up. And the thread is called partially "Melo doesn't get it" with the "it" being the implied resistance to the holy triangle.
Okay - if you want to compare careers - how about we compare Melo's to Chris Paul's? When was the last time Chris Paul led his team out of the second round? Never. Melo is what he is - which is a Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins, Tracy McGrady type scorer. Anyone expecting him to be anything different or suddenly transform into a playmaking point forward has some misunderstanding about basketball.
And I'm sorry, the Riley comparison is valid. You know what Riley did when he wasn't happy with how the Heat were being coached? He coached them the way he wanted them to be coached and won a championship doing so. Then he installed his top assistant and let him figure it out through some dark seasons. Heat won 15 games one year and mistakenly drafted Michael Beaseley. And Riley stuck with his coach. What's Spoelstra now? The second longest tenured coach in the NBA behind Pop?
bro, i have no issue with phil-bashing if that's what you want to do - it's warranted because he hasn't done a good job here. yeah he's brought us kp/willy but overall he's done a shit job.
this is a discussion about melo though and in the middle of the conversation you're asking to compare phils gm record to riley's. i don't get what that has to do with melo. the rest of your post was relative to the discussion about cp3 and point-forward and this and that. but i will say, it's not completely unrealistic to ask melo to play a different way than he has his whole career since the way he's played his whole career, hasn't really gotten him anywhere, so it might have behooved him to change his stripes a bit. i hate jeremy linn, but let's be honest, the way melo handled the linn situation was not good. he was upset someone else was garnering the spotlight and i think that's a microcosm of melo's career. i like melo and i always have, but i wish that he did a little more here. he could have adapted better to both d'antoni and his current situation in the triangle, whether he/us/the team/media/whoever likes the offense. i don't think that's asking too much.
There's an MDA interview with Woj where MDA admits he should've benched Amar'e and put Melo at Pf. But he chickened out. Melo gets blamed for all sorts of crap that wasn't really his fault. The Lin situation, I blamed Melo for that at the time and the same people who are now blaming Melo were blaming Lin at the time! It's just an absurd circus of blame. I'm sick of it. I wish things had gone better while Melo was here, too. The Bargnani trade was a disaster. Was that Melo's fault? I don't know. That trade led to Glen Grunwald quitting or getting fired and the team has been a mess ever since. I don't know whose fault it is. I suspect Dolan was involved since Grunwald clearly didn't want to make that trade. Grunwald also literally tried to hide from the Rockets so he couldn't receive the offer sheet on Lin because he was trying to stall for time because he knew Dolan would be pissed and vindictive. Dolan is the one who didn't match the contract. So again, Dolan. And again Melo gets the blame.
Melo is not a perfect player. But he is a very good one. He's at the tail end of his career. But he gets blamed for a lot of the crap around here that is not on him. Was it Melo's fault that Rose went AWOL? Did Melo make Phil fire Fisher? Melo's supposed to be a point forward passing to... who exactly this season? Courtney Lee sulking on the perimeter? Noah in street clothes? He's passed to KP and KP's second season is right in line with Dirk's second season. Was Melo supposed to will KP to have Dirk's fourth season this year?
Melo is not Lebron. They were the same draft class, so I get the comparison. But he's just never been that guy and he never was going to be that guy. Maybe he should've stood up for Lin a little better? I liked Lin. But Lin also looked out for himself and didn't want to get embarrassed by Miami in the playoffs like they did when the heat single handedly ended Linsanity. And again, the Lin decision was Dolan throwing a hissy fit.
i agree with pretty much all of your post. i for one am NOT blaming everything on melo, but i do think it's time for him to go. we can't rebuild around him and he has to leave for the rebuild to happen. i don't see that many people on here saying that melo is the root of all the teams problems, but i do see alot of people saying that his run here is over, because he's aging and for us to move on he has to go. it's better for both parties. that is no way a damning remark about his ability or anything, it's just the life of an aging superstar.
where i do disagree with you though, is again, that melo handeled the lin situation awfully. i dont think lin had one iota to do with lin not being resigned, that was all dolan. but what melo did have to do with was, his treatment of lin while he was here. look at this article where amar'e (i wanted to type AMEAR so badly but not sure who would remember that joke on here, thanks papabear)
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/2/29/11...
It's been a strange few years for the Knicks. They've seen multiple saviors come and go and tallied nearly as many head coaches over the last five years (four) as playoff wins (seven).On Sunday, one of those former saviors, Amar'e Stoudemire, shared his thoughts on the downfall of another former savior, Jeremy Lin. Stoudemire suggested that Carmelo Anthony's poor leadership skills were part of the problem.
"Everyone wasn't a fan of [Lin] being the new star," Stoudemire told the media Sunday prior to the Heat's 98-81 road win over the Knicks, via ESPN. "So he didn't stay long. But Jeremy was a great, great guy. Great teammate. He worked hard. He put the work in and we're proud of him to have his moment. A lot of times you gotta enjoy someone's success. And that wasn't the case for us during that stretch.
"You got to enjoy that. You got to let that player enjoy himself and cherish those moments. He was becoming a star and I don't think everybody was pleased with that."
Stoudemire did not mention Anthony by name, but his comments point squarely to the Knicks' star. They also thrust much of the reporting done on the Anthony-Lin relationship in 2012 back into the public sphere. This 2012 ESPN The Magazine story is full of anonymous quotes from Knicks players and sources close to the team claiming that Anthony had an issue with Mike D'Antoni's decision to run the offense through Lin. Anthony was also reportedly jealous of all the attention Lin got in New York.
"Carmelo's dream was to go to New York and be the man," a source reportedly close to several Knicks players told ESPN's Tim Keown. "That's why he fought to get out of Denver, and all of a sudden this little guy nobody's ever heard of is living his dream."
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Anthony's frustration spilled into the public realm when he called the three-year, $25.1 million deal the Rockets offered Lin the summer after Linsanity a "ridiculous contract." While Anthony later clarified his comments, the damage was done. The Knicks never matched that contract and signed Raymond Felton to replace Lin.And yet, despite all this history, Anthony was taken aback by Stoudemire's comments and denied ever having a problem with Lin.
"That was [four] years ago? I don't know. I don't have no comment about that," Anthony said. "If [Lin] was becoming a star, we should embrace that. I don't know. We didn't embrace it? Was that the word?
"S---, if that was the case then I'd be upset right now with KP [Kristaps Porzingis], if he's talking about me. I doubt if [Stoudemire is] talking about me. I doubt that. I highly doubt that."
On the one hand, you could say that Anthony was proven right. Lin is clearly not the player many thought he could be during the height of Linsanity. He had no business taking the franchise player baton from Anthony.
That said, Stoudemire was in the locker room with Anthony and saw how he handled his role as team leader, especially during Linsanity. Anthony's Porzingis-centered rebuttal is true. He's been an excellent big brother this season and is playing the most unselfish basketball of his career. The problem is that it took a long time for Anthony to change.
Stoudemire's comments don't come as much of a surprise. That Anthony wasn't a huge fan of Lin is common knowledge at this point. But these quotes do shed light on issues that previously held the Knicks back and lend credence to the idea that an Anthony-led team can never be a championship contender.
now just forget that it's amare saying it and we all can say whatever we want about amar'e but when you have a player who played with melo telling you that he was jealous of lin and that he showed poor leadership, i think that's a damning remark. and i do think it shows that melo never really wanted to succeed here, unless he was the focal-point of it. he played great for us, he scored a ton of points, he played hurt, but it was never enough. he never adapted to the direction the team was going and he never adapted to sharing the spotlight with anyone. it was his, or no one-elses and i think amar'e pretty much confirms that.
Andrew wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19035...Yes! Great job accepting your role!
"I see the writing on the wall. I see what it is," Anthony said late Wednesday night. "I see what they're trying to do, and it's just me accepting that. That's what puts me at peace. Just knowing and understanding how things work. I'm at peace with that."Nooooo! The Knicks never wanted you to go out there and try to score 30 or 40 a night!
"I don't think me going out there, trying to score 30 and 40 every night and playing that way, is going to help them out at this point."
Melo is such a fool. A talented player who is a complete dummy and a plague on this franchise.
Hoping beyond hope that he waives the no-trade and we take back a few turds in exchange for his absence ---- he is a player I can't stand to watch.
nixluva wrote:MDA did in FACT try to put Melo in a Point Forward position and Melo reluctantly went thru the motions. Even still it was one of the best Assist seasons for Melo. If he had bought in fully it could have been even better....coach Mike D'Antoni. He pulled Melo out of his prime position as a finisher to attempt a point forward style of play. Melo is not LeBron James, and the clash of styles again gave media fuel to paint Anthony as the stubborn malcontent—especially when 10-day contract reserve Jeremy Lin arrived and went on a month long tear through the league, saving the Knicks' season. While that too would fade away, the idea of trading Anthony to focus on Lin was entertained by many.http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/03/ca...Last year we saw DadMelo and it was good. It was something to build on going forward. Melo decided not to continue playing that way which shows he learned NOTHING.
BS...I used to watch every game sometimes twice..Complete BS...Linsanity was two weeks not a month..More BS..Why do people read otgher who don't watch the games is beyond me...I see it all the times when out of towners give comments about what the Knicks are doing...
Knicks won 32 games last year and missed the playoffs..What wa good about that???
crzymdups wrote:nixluva wrote:MDA did in FACT try to put Melo in a Point Forward position and Melo reluctantly went thru the motions. Even still it was one of the best Assist seasons for Melo. If he had bought in fully it could have been even better....coach Mike D'Antoni. He pulled Melo out of his prime position as a finisher to attempt a point forward style of play. Melo is not LeBron James, and the clash of styles again gave media fuel to paint Anthony as the stubborn malcontent—especially when 10-day contract reserve Jeremy Lin arrived and went on a month long tear through the league, saving the Knicks' season. While that too would fade away, the idea of trading Anthony to focus on Lin was entertained by many.http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/03/ca...Last year we saw DadMelo and it was good. It was something to build on going forward. Melo decided not to continue playing that way which shows he learned NOTHING.
Man, the Knicks could've been great if only 32 yr old Melo decided to be a passing point forward.
One question - was it Melo's decision not to run the triangle starting the year or was that Hornacek? Because I seem to remember Hornacek saying he'd install his offense with "triangle aspects." But I guess I misheard and it was all Melo's fault.
WTF are you talking about??? You post is all over the place! Melo WAS F'n passing the ball more JUST LAST SEASON!!! Why the F didn't he do that more this year even after being called out for NOT PASSING???
This has NOTHING TO DO WITH JEFF! That's all on Melo who should know by now how important it is for him to help his teammates and move the ball. Stop F'n making excuses for Melo! STOP!!!
Bonn1997 wrote:crzymdups wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:nyk4ever wrote:nyk4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:nyk4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...wow mentioning melo with all those guys is pure comedy. but it's really funny you should mention james harden... isn't it ironic that harden is averaging near a triple-double with the coach that melo was to stubborn to adapt to and decided to stop playing for? if that's not exhibitA of how melo has handled his whole entire career in the NBA, i'm not sure what is.
Yet another one of your silly post out of the rafters to drop on us..I would respond thoughtfully but you don't reciprocate so I won't waste my time...
actually, funny you say that. the last time you said that to me, and i forget which thread it was now, but it was like a week ago? i responded directly to your post and what a surprise, you never answered. so maybe you should heed your own advice and holier than thou attitude.
and to be honest, if you "responded thoughtfully" (which btw is something you never do) you would be saying something negative about melo. so instead of doing that, you just deflect, to cover your own melo-loving ass. it's cool, we all see it man.
still waiting for a response holfresh. thanks. although, i dont think this surprises anyone. you deflect and run, every.single.time. but yet, i'm the one who "drops in" please. the irony is real.
I deflect and run, really??? Me??...Jokes...You and Bonn play these games..here goes..
Harden plays the PG role which is the most important role in MDA's offense..But you know this...Melo is not a PG..But you know this..Melo was asked to stand in the corner and shoot threes while playing with MDA..But you know this...So you asked how does Harden thrive in an MDA offense because he accepted his role and Melo wasn't a fit in MDA offense..Do you now understand why I think it's a dumb question/statement and not worth a response??...Bonn does stuff like that as well...PG role and yet he even rebounds better than Melo! It's crazy to ever compare the two.
Ok...Do you think they will get beyond the second round of the playoffs???
Sorry I was making that comment half-jokingly. I'm not sure. I think Harden brings much more to the table than Melo and I think Houston got a steal when they traded for him. But I'm still not the biggest Harden fan. He has his weaknesses and I'd have a lot of reluctance giving him a supermax contract. That said, in the east, I think Houston would make it to the conference finals most years. Not sure about in the west though.I know many here don't care...Harden plays zero defense..ZERO...Melo and Harden are volume scorers..They put up the same stats in their primes but Harden is a better assist guy..Harden is playing a different role with MDA..They will lose in the second round..Just like Melo..
The only time Knick fans care about defense is with regards to Melo and Rose...Everyone else not playing defense is fine with them...
I wouldn't agree with any of the claims you made there, but what exactly is your point? Melo is comparable to Harden - a guy who you're not a fan of?Also, Melo's in his 14th season, 32 yrs old. Harden is in his 8th, 27yrs old. Is 27yr old Harden better than 32yr old Melo? Yes. Is this really shocking to you?
No, it's why I knew that giving him the then largest contract in the world and throwing in an NTC was ridiculous. (I'm still waiting for the point in the new CBA where Melo's contract becomes a bargain!) But I'd take 27 year old Harden over 27 year old Melo too.
Who would you have given the money to instead Bonn???
holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:MDA did in FACT try to put Melo in a Point Forward position and Melo reluctantly went thru the motions. Even still it was one of the best Assist seasons for Melo. If he had bought in fully it could have been even better....coach Mike D'Antoni. He pulled Melo out of his prime position as a finisher to attempt a point forward style of play. Melo is not LeBron James, and the clash of styles again gave media fuel to paint Anthony as the stubborn malcontent—especially when 10-day contract reserve Jeremy Lin arrived and went on a month long tear through the league, saving the Knicks' season. While that too would fade away, the idea of trading Anthony to focus on Lin was entertained by many.http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/03/ca...Last year we saw DadMelo and it was good. It was something to build on going forward. Melo decided not to continue playing that way which shows he learned NOTHING.
BS...I used to watch every game sometimes twice..Complete BS...Linsanity was two weeks not a month..More BS..Why do people read otgher who don't watch the games is beyond me...I see it all the times when out of towners give comments about what the Knicks are doing...
Knicks won 32 games last year and missed the playoffs..What wa good about that???
WOW! Way to miss the point! This isn't about Lin!!! This is about Melo and him not recognizing what he needed to do in order to help his team win! You just can't get it thru your head that Melo could be more than just a scorer and Phil tried as did MDA and Karl to get Melo to understand what he needed to do.
You just go ahead and bury your head in the sand on this tho!
crzymdups wrote:holfresh wrote:Funny thing is that you guys don't think KP on on deck for the onslaught...Knick fans...Yeah, I can see this happening as soon as next year if Melo is traded. We know it won't be the Triangle's fault.
KP is going to absolutely get crucified if melo is gone and he's the go to guy playing soft and losing . You think they booed him during the draft, between the media and fans..
He can't handle top gun status. Too much losing basketball to be the man.
crzymdups wrote:We know Melo is nothing but a scorer. He will never be anything but a scorer. There are certain situations where a player one dimensional can win, but they are not the norm.fishmike wrote:holfresh wrote:You want to talk about Melo and playoffs? Sorry... this is all you need to know:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...
Those guys actually did it in a way that helped their teams win though (efficient scoring and/or a strong impact on both ends of the court). How many games these past years have we won where Melo scored 30 to 40? Those guys also could do this and pile up the assists - they weren't neglecting their teammates.
Harden gets 30 to 40 with remarkable efficiency due to his FT shooting. Westbrook and Kobe were able to get 30 to 40 with reasonably good efficiency and still save enough energy for outstanding defense and they were good at setting their teammates up. (And I shouldn't even need to explain MJ.)
The concern with Melo is that when he talks about a reduced role on offense, he's probably thinking taking 18 shots a game instead of 20. I've never seen him take a seriously reduced role. The best thing he could do would be take 12 or 13 high quality shots a game and then use his passing skills to improve his teammates, and save his energy for defense. He actually can be an excellent passer and good defender when he wants to be. The problem is not with his skills - it's his approach to the game. This hasn't changed in the past 14 years.Well we can compare rosters position for position, you really want o go there???
Melo has had enough all-stars, award-winning teammates (DPOY, MVP candidate) that he should have been able to do much better than he has. Of course teammates matter but no, I will not say this is 100% due to his teammates or even close to that. Teammates can never be an excuse for poor shot selection and poor defense. As long as you have guys who can make a layup you should not be chucking off-balance mid range shots with 15 left on the shot clock.
????..Who, name them!!!
Are you serious? Are you actually watching? Billups, Stoudemire, Tyson, Iverson. Most teams don't have two all-stars but he has had an all-star teammate many seasons. And he's had plenty of competent non-all-star teammates too. He's had enough support that if he actually used his skill set intelligently (on both ends of the court), his teams would have done much better than .300 or so in the playoffs and .500 in the regular season. (I'm just estimating the career winning percentages.) He's had a max contract skill set with a poor mindset his whole career.
Hahaha...You are joking Bonn...You spin everything you type...You are in a world of spin to suit your argument...You spin every stat you want to promote like +/-...When will you get serious...I'm not going to waste my time telling Amare was injured which you know and Iverson was old...If you want a serious discussion, don't act like I'm an idiot..
And Melo got to the WCF with Billups...http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
So I was on basketball-reference.com and went through all his playoff game logs. I kept my criteria simple. 40% Shooting.
Folks have always said Melo's had to play tough teams, the West was loaded, cant hold him accountable for not beating the Spurs and Lakers etc when nobody was... we have been through it ad nauseum
I knew this year would show it pretty clearly but other years paint the same picture when you combine them.
These last playoffs:
Melo shoots +40%: Knicks are 5-1
Melo shoots -40%: Knicks are 1-5
Wow. I certainly blame JR's abysmal shooting as well, and I especially kill Chandler for gettig mowed over by Hibbert but when you look at the best player on the team hard to ignore that.
His career?
Melo shoots +40%: his teams are 15-17
Melo shoots -40%: his teams are 7-24
What is uterly shocking is that in 66 playoff games Melo has failed to shoot over 40% in 34 of them.
Melo had a monster year last year and Im hoping he picks up where he left off in that regard. But come post season something needs to give if the Knicks wants to have any chance of competing.
To me the only saving grace is defense. If we build a defensive monster we can still win regardless of this. In 2009 when Melo was playing with KMart, Nene, Billups and Dante Jones they had the formula to make it work.
Can Chandler, MWP, Shump and Felton match the defense those Denver guys were able to grind out?
Hard to see this team ever sustain a playoff run without an elite caliber defense...Been there, done that... holfesh is still hanging onto an Isiah comeback.
Sorry... Melo's abysmal playoff record is directly related to his poor play.
What about Chris Paul's? He's never even made the conference finals and he's had much better teammates than Melo and some consider him the best point guard of all time.
Melo is what he is. Anyone expecting him to magically turn into a point forward with great court vision and passing skills is delusional. His best season here? Woodson accepted what he was. Melo had a career low assist percentage. Knicks won 54 games. They "needed him to score 30 or 40" every night and he did and led the league in scoring.
These hissy fits you guys throw where you can't accept that Melo is a scorer are just getting sad. You know why he's not as good as he used to be? He's 33! He's been in the league 14 years! He's old. Jesus, you guys are a bunch of cry babies. Sure, it's all Melo's fault. Phil has valiantly been the best gm in the league and would've done great if it weren't for Melo. Gimme a fuckin break.
You wanna compare Melo to Lebron or Harden? How about we compare Phil's gm record to Pat Riley's? Crickets, right?
Do you want to know Chris Paul "gets a pass?" Because he performs well in the playoffs.
Paul's FG%
Regular season .472
69 playoff games .483
MElo's FG%
Regular season .452
66 playoff games .417
See that? Did you look at the #s I posted? When MElo shoots over 40% he's about .500 in the playoffs. However in MORE THAN HALF Melo's post season games he's failed to shoot 40% from the field, and in those games his team is an abysmal 7-24
I understand you are desperate at every corner to ensure Phil get every ounce of blame he can. However nobody cares. Know why? The players are underperforming. We are build around a "franchise player" who doesnt share the ball or play defense. He's got career lows almost across the board. When you watch him you can tell he is what he is.
Sorry dude. Im not defending Melo over Phil Jackson. Melo can suck it. He stinks. He had a chance here and stuck with doing things his way. Blame Phil for him not making the playoffs last 4 years. I dont care. You can lead the Melo stat line crusade every time he has a good game with the Clippers. I would rather stink with Lance Thomas than have to hear about how none of this is Melo's fault. I gave him his due when he earned it. Its another Amare contract at this point.
crzymdups wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:crzymdups wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:nyk4ever wrote:nyk4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:nyk4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...wow mentioning melo with all those guys is pure comedy. but it's really funny you should mention james harden... isn't it ironic that harden is averaging near a triple-double with the coach that melo was to stubborn to adapt to and decided to stop playing for? if that's not exhibitA of how melo has handled his whole entire career in the NBA, i'm not sure what is.
Yet another one of your silly post out of the rafters to drop on us..I would respond thoughtfully but you don't reciprocate so I won't waste my time...
actually, funny you say that. the last time you said that to me, and i forget which thread it was now, but it was like a week ago? i responded directly to your post and what a surprise, you never answered. so maybe you should heed your own advice and holier than thou attitude.
and to be honest, if you "responded thoughtfully" (which btw is something you never do) you would be saying something negative about melo. so instead of doing that, you just deflect, to cover your own melo-loving ass. it's cool, we all see it man.
still waiting for a response holfresh. thanks. although, i dont think this surprises anyone. you deflect and run, every.single.time. but yet, i'm the one who "drops in" please. the irony is real.
I deflect and run, really??? Me??...Jokes...You and Bonn play these games..here goes..
Harden plays the PG role which is the most important role in MDA's offense..But you know this...Melo is not a PG..But you know this..Melo was asked to stand in the corner and shoot threes while playing with MDA..But you know this...So you asked how does Harden thrive in an MDA offense because he accepted his role and Melo wasn't a fit in MDA offense..Do you now understand why I think it's a dumb question/statement and not worth a response??...Bonn does stuff like that as well...PG role and yet he even rebounds better than Melo! It's crazy to ever compare the two.
Ok...Do you think they will get beyond the second round of the playoffs???
Sorry I was making that comment half-jokingly. I'm not sure. I think Harden brings much more to the table than Melo and I think Houston got a steal when they traded for him. But I'm still not the biggest Harden fan. He has his weaknesses and I'd have a lot of reluctance giving him a supermax contract. That said, in the east, I think Houston would make it to the conference finals most years. Not sure about in the west though.I know many here don't care...Harden plays zero defense..ZERO...Melo and Harden are volume scorers..They put up the same stats in their primes but Harden is a better assist guy..Harden is playing a different role with MDA..They will lose in the second round..Just like Melo..
The only time Knick fans care about defense is with regards to Melo and Rose...Everyone else not playing defense is fine with them...
I wouldn't agree with any of the claims you made there, but what exactly is your point? Melo is comparable to Harden - a guy who you're not a fan of?Also, Melo's in his 14th season, 32 yrs old. Harden is in his 8th, 27yrs old. Is 27yr old Harden better than 32yr old Melo? Yes. Is this really shocking to you?
No, it's why I knew that giving him the then largest contract in the world and throwing in an NTC was ridiculous. (I'm still waiting for the point in the new CBA where Melo's contract becomes a bargain!) But I'd take 27 year old Harden over 27 year old Melo too.I wonder who gave Melo that contract anyway? I bet it was Melo!
What? When did I blame Melo for taking the contract? Melo's not even "the problem" so much as a big symptom of many problems with the franchise that long predated him.
nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:MDA did in FACT try to put Melo in a Point Forward position and Melo reluctantly went thru the motions. Even still it was one of the best Assist seasons for Melo. If he had bought in fully it could have been even better....coach Mike D'Antoni. He pulled Melo out of his prime position as a finisher to attempt a point forward style of play. Melo is not LeBron James, and the clash of styles again gave media fuel to paint Anthony as the stubborn malcontent—especially when 10-day contract reserve Jeremy Lin arrived and went on a month long tear through the league, saving the Knicks' season. While that too would fade away, the idea of trading Anthony to focus on Lin was entertained by many.http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/03/ca...Last year we saw DadMelo and it was good. It was something to build on going forward. Melo decided not to continue playing that way which shows he learned NOTHING.
BS...I used to watch every game sometimes twice..Complete BS...Linsanity was two weeks not a month..More BS..Why do people read otgher who don't watch the games is beyond me...I see it all the times when out of towners give comments about what the Knicks are doing...
Knicks won 32 games last year and missed the playoffs..What wa good about that???WOW! Way to miss the point! This isn't about Lin!!! This is about Melo and him not recognizing what he needed to do in order to help his team win! You just can't get it thru your head that Melo could be more than just a scorer and Phil tried as did MDA and Karl to get Melo to understand what he needed to do.
You just go ahead and bury your head in the sand on this tho!
Way for you to miss the point...Linsanity was two weeks...The author didn't know that, therefore he doesn't know shet about the Knicks...But you gulp up any anti-Melo rhetoric posted...
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:crzymdups wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:nyk4ever wrote:nyk4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:nyk4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...wow mentioning melo with all those guys is pure comedy. but it's really funny you should mention james harden... isn't it ironic that harden is averaging near a triple-double with the coach that melo was to stubborn to adapt to and decided to stop playing for? if that's not exhibitA of how melo has handled his whole entire career in the NBA, i'm not sure what is.
Yet another one of your silly post out of the rafters to drop on us..I would respond thoughtfully but you don't reciprocate so I won't waste my time...
actually, funny you say that. the last time you said that to me, and i forget which thread it was now, but it was like a week ago? i responded directly to your post and what a surprise, you never answered. so maybe you should heed your own advice and holier than thou attitude.
and to be honest, if you "responded thoughtfully" (which btw is something you never do) you would be saying something negative about melo. so instead of doing that, you just deflect, to cover your own melo-loving ass. it's cool, we all see it man.
still waiting for a response holfresh. thanks. although, i dont think this surprises anyone. you deflect and run, every.single.time. but yet, i'm the one who "drops in" please. the irony is real.
I deflect and run, really??? Me??...Jokes...You and Bonn play these games..here goes..
Harden plays the PG role which is the most important role in MDA's offense..But you know this...Melo is not a PG..But you know this..Melo was asked to stand in the corner and shoot threes while playing with MDA..But you know this...So you asked how does Harden thrive in an MDA offense because he accepted his role and Melo wasn't a fit in MDA offense..Do you now understand why I think it's a dumb question/statement and not worth a response??...Bonn does stuff like that as well...PG role and yet he even rebounds better than Melo! It's crazy to ever compare the two.
Ok...Do you think they will get beyond the second round of the playoffs???
Sorry I was making that comment half-jokingly. I'm not sure. I think Harden brings much more to the table than Melo and I think Houston got a steal when they traded for him. But I'm still not the biggest Harden fan. He has his weaknesses and I'd have a lot of reluctance giving him a supermax contract. That said, in the east, I think Houston would make it to the conference finals most years. Not sure about in the west though.I know many here don't care...Harden plays zero defense..ZERO...Melo and Harden are volume scorers..They put up the same stats in their primes but Harden is a better assist guy..Harden is playing a different role with MDA..They will lose in the second round..Just like Melo..
The only time Knick fans care about defense is with regards to Melo and Rose...Everyone else not playing defense is fine with them...
I wouldn't agree with any of the claims you made there, but what exactly is your point? Melo is comparable to Harden - a guy who you're not a fan of?Also, Melo's in his 14th season, 32 yrs old. Harden is in his 8th, 27yrs old. Is 27yr old Harden better than 32yr old Melo? Yes. Is this really shocking to you?
No, it's why I knew that giving him the then largest contract in the world and throwing in an NTC was ridiculous. (I'm still waiting for the point in the new CBA where Melo's contract becomes a bargain!) But I'd take 27 year old Harden over 27 year old Melo too.Who would you have given the money to instead Bonn???
We've been through this many times. I've answered how I would have spent the money but you're obviously not satisfied with my answers and won't be. The thread is about evaluating Melo, not whether Bonn1997 would be an awesome GM anyway. I'll gladly admit that anyone who wants to give Melo a supermax NTC contract and a large contract to Derrick Rose would not like the decisions I'd make.
Bonn1997 wrote:crzymdups wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:crzymdups wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:nyk4ever wrote:nyk4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:nyk4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:Harden needs to go out and score 30/40 a night..Westbrook needed to go out and score 30/40 a night..MJ needed to go out and score 30/40 a night...Kobe needed to go out an core 30/40 a night..Silly commentary and you just want to take a shot at Melo...Have at it, you can find plenty of help here...wow mentioning melo with all those guys is pure comedy. but it's really funny you should mention james harden... isn't it ironic that harden is averaging near a triple-double with the coach that melo was to stubborn to adapt to and decided to stop playing for? if that's not exhibitA of how melo has handled his whole entire career in the NBA, i'm not sure what is.
Yet another one of your silly post out of the rafters to drop on us..I would respond thoughtfully but you don't reciprocate so I won't waste my time...
actually, funny you say that. the last time you said that to me, and i forget which thread it was now, but it was like a week ago? i responded directly to your post and what a surprise, you never answered. so maybe you should heed your own advice and holier than thou attitude.
and to be honest, if you "responded thoughtfully" (which btw is something you never do) you would be saying something negative about melo. so instead of doing that, you just deflect, to cover your own melo-loving ass. it's cool, we all see it man.
still waiting for a response holfresh. thanks. although, i dont think this surprises anyone. you deflect and run, every.single.time. but yet, i'm the one who "drops in" please. the irony is real.
I deflect and run, really??? Me??...Jokes...You and Bonn play these games..here goes..
Harden plays the PG role which is the most important role in MDA's offense..But you know this...Melo is not a PG..But you know this..Melo was asked to stand in the corner and shoot threes while playing with MDA..But you know this...So you asked how does Harden thrive in an MDA offense because he accepted his role and Melo wasn't a fit in MDA offense..Do you now understand why I think it's a dumb question/statement and not worth a response??...Bonn does stuff like that as well...PG role and yet he even rebounds better than Melo! It's crazy to ever compare the two.
Ok...Do you think they will get beyond the second round of the playoffs???
Sorry I was making that comment half-jokingly. I'm not sure. I think Harden brings much more to the table than Melo and I think Houston got a steal when they traded for him. But I'm still not the biggest Harden fan. He has his weaknesses and I'd have a lot of reluctance giving him a supermax contract. That said, in the east, I think Houston would make it to the conference finals most years. Not sure about in the west though.I know many here don't care...Harden plays zero defense..ZERO...Melo and Harden are volume scorers..They put up the same stats in their primes but Harden is a better assist guy..Harden is playing a different role with MDA..They will lose in the second round..Just like Melo..
The only time Knick fans care about defense is with regards to Melo and Rose...Everyone else not playing defense is fine with them...
I wouldn't agree with any of the claims you made there, but what exactly is your point? Melo is comparable to Harden - a guy who you're not a fan of?Also, Melo's in his 14th season, 32 yrs old. Harden is in his 8th, 27yrs old. Is 27yr old Harden better than 32yr old Melo? Yes. Is this really shocking to you?
No, it's why I knew that giving him the then largest contract in the world and throwing in an NTC was ridiculous. (I'm still waiting for the point in the new CBA where Melo's contract becomes a bargain!) But I'd take 27 year old Harden over 27 year old Melo too.I wonder who gave Melo that contract anyway? I bet it was Melo!
What? When did I blame Melo for taking the contract? Melo's not even "the problem" so much as a big symptom of many problems with the franchise that long predated him.
Harden still plays zero defense, but you mass murder melo for his lack of defensive effort, unbelievable..
fishmike wrote:holfresh wrote:that going out and scoring 30-40 a night was never what the Knicks needed in the first place. Chuckers gonna chuck. Some can see that. Others are only allowed to post points that directly indicate some mistake on Phil's part so I can see why this is a struggle for you.Andrew wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19035...Yes! Great job accepting your role!
"I see the writing on the wall. I see what it is," Anthony said late Wednesday night. "I see what they're trying to do, and it's just me accepting that. That's what puts me at peace. Just knowing and understanding how things work. I'm at peace with that."Nooooo! The Knicks never wanted you to go out there and try to score 30 or 40 a night!
"I don't think me going out there, trying to score 30 and 40 every night and playing that way, is going to help them out at this point."
I don't understand the thread??..What doesn't he get??..The dude can't say he has accepted a reduced role and that just be that???
Another Yawn post by a guy trying to defend his "Phil is doing a great job" agenda. No brains to blame one guy for TEAM failure. Specially when it has been a team of guys who would probably get little run on most other NBA teams. But you keep going excusing the moves Phil has done. Noah, Rose, dumping former draft picks for nothing. Fact is, we both know Phil is gone in 2 years and his Knicks legacy will be no more than any other GM who tanked. Real genius ability. As are the sheep thinking this senile old man will be taking them to the promise land. 5 years and all will be left is Noah cap hold, mediocre 2 Guard, an out of place unicorn and a team that needs to reset with a new direction and new system....once again!!
knicks1248 wrote:crzymdups wrote:holfresh wrote:Funny thing is that you guys don't think KP on on deck for the onslaught...Knick fans...Yeah, I can see this happening as soon as next year if Melo is traded. We know it won't be the Triangle's fault.
KP is going to absolutely get crucified if melo is gone and he's the go to guy playing soft and losing . You think they booed him during the draft, between the media and fans..
How about waiting to see how KP develops and who we bring in before assuming fans will turn on KP?
When we drafted KP it was assumed it would take YEARS before he'd be able to contribute and he's ahead of schedule.