Knicks · Phil only drafts 4 years of college (page 1)

100% consistent pattern

then lists 4 guys who didn't even goto college

nyk4ever wrote:*phil only drafts 4 years of college*

then lists 4 guys who didn't even goto college

And 3 guys that the knicks didnt even draft. Oy

Andrew wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:*phil only drafts 4 years of college*

then lists 4 guys who didn't even goto college

And 3 guys that the knicks didnt even draft. Oy

Andrew wrote:So out of each of the players listed, early was the only 4 yr college player that the knicks drafted. This could be the worst formed thread ever.

LOL

knicks1248 wrote:Ndour 4 yrs
bakers 4yr
Early 4 yrs
grant 4 yrs
galloway 4 yrs
willy playing professional for 4 yrs
Kp playing professional 4 yrs
kuz 7yrs
thansis 4 yrs professional

100% consistent pattern

Guys who are 2nd round level talents and/or undrafted free agents, will, on the average, be older players. If they had the production and pedigree to be "One And Done" type players, they would be. However based on their limited draft/NBA potential as underclassmen, they stay either overseas or in college longer to develop their skills.

Key to note - Older players are EXPECTED to dominate players who are younger or at lower levels of development. A 22 year old should, in theory, dominate a /18/19 year old, he's had more experience and is more physically developed, but we all understand this is not always the case. This is why the NBA 2nd round is littered with guys with good senior college seasons or international guys used as stashes.

Knicks have had limited draft assets the past three years, of course they will have more players on the roster from the 2nd round and/or UDFA to fill out the roster, these players as stated, will naturally and likely be older than most of their 1st round "One And Done" 19 year old counterparts.

Is Phil Jackson seeking out players he actually "wants", or making the most, within his skill set as team runner, of what he can "get"

Your post illustrates the base problem of a lot of argument and back and forth jabbing on this forum, a lot of guys here fundamentally do not understand the NBA marketplace nor the basic CBA nor the methodology on why franchises make most of the personnel decisions that they do. There really isn't a greater example of this disconnect than Sam Hinkie and the 76ers. He gave some really candid interviews when he was GM of the 76ers about what he was doing and WHY he was doing it. He was a top lieutenant under Daryl Morey in Houston and he REALLY upset a lot of people, he challenged convention because he openly exposed the flaws inherent in the NBA marketplace environment, so typical of any situation like this, the rest of the league kept leaning on him until he got clipped. A lot of people see his decision making as flawed because it had a ton of inherent risk, but he never promised a winner, what he did discuss was the difference between a slim opportunity versus what the NBA design has for most teams - being stuck in the middle and having no opportunity.

To me, the litmus test of anyone understanding the basic NBA marketplace, the Sam Hinkie/76ers situation is a good test case. It's not whether someone agrees or disagrees with his methodology of who he picked and why, but whether they can draw the distinctions on why he made the choices he did given the changes in the game, the changes in the CBA at the time, the scarcity of elite NBA level talent around the world and what operates as team building/rebuilding convention.

knicks1248 wrote:Ndour 4 yrs
bakers 4yr
Early 4 yrs
grant 4 yrs
galloway 4 yrs
willy playing professional for 4 yrs
Kp playing professional 4 yrs
kuz 7yrs
thansis 4 yrs professional

100% consistent pattern

This is your worst post yet- right up there with the "you can't rebuild via the draft" one!

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Ndour 4 yrs
bakers 4yr
Early 4 yrs
grant 4 yrs
galloway 4 yrs
willy playing professional for 4 yrs
Kp playing professional 4 yrs
kuz 7yrs
thansis 4 yrs professional

100% consistent pattern

This is your worst post yet- right up there with the "you can't rebuild via the draft" one!

I think it's a fair concern to wonder how Phil will do evaluating a set of 19 year old american basketball players. Will poor fundamentals cloud his vision of potential talent?

I mean, he thought Rose would be a good fit here, and we saw how that turned out.

franco12 wrote:I'm reading this a bit tongue in cheek - but there is a common thread, though, and that is Phil has brought in players that have perhaps more developed fundamentals of basketball - hence his desire for euros.

I think it's a fair concern to wonder how Phil will do evaluating a set of 19 year old american basketball players. Will poor fundamentals cloud his vision of potential talent?

I mean, he thought Rose would be a good fit here, and we saw how that turned out.

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'm reading this a bit tongue in cheek - but there is a common thread, though, and that is Phil has brought in players that have perhaps more developed fundamentals of basketball - hence his desire for euros.

I think it's a fair concern to wonder how Phil will do evaluating a set of 19 year old american basketball players. Will poor fundamentals cloud his vision of potential talent?

I mean, he thought Rose would be a good fit here, and we saw how that turned out.

Right and when people were clamoring for MOO-DEE-AAA or Winslow he took a 19 year old unknown and we see how that worked out.

I never stated it was wrong for Phil to look for more fundamental players, that was the one thing I completely agreed with in regards to his thinking... I distinctively heard him say this in his press conference the day he was hired, he likes more establish players. If KP was not avail, Frank Kaminsky(4 yrs) was High on Phils radar, that was well documented.

You already know he wants fundamental players, and a fundamental style of play, that's no secrete.

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'm reading this a bit tongue in cheek - but there is a common thread, though, and that is Phil has brought in players that have perhaps more developed fundamentals of basketball - hence his desire for euros.

I think it's a fair concern to wonder how Phil will do evaluating a set of 19 year old american basketball players. Will poor fundamentals cloud his vision of potential talent?

I mean, he thought Rose would be a good fit here, and we saw how that turned out.

Right and when people were clamoring for MOO-DEE-AAA or Winslow he took a 19 year old unknown and we see how that worked out.

I never stated it was wrong for Phil to look for more fundamental players, that was the one thing I completely agreed with in regards to his thinking... I distinctively heard him say this in his press conference the day he was hired, he likes more establish players. If KP was not avail, Frank Kaminsky(4 yrs) was High on Phils radar, that was well documented.

You already know he wants fundamental players, and a fundamental style of play, that's no secrete.

We dont know Phil was high on Kaminsky. Briggs just posted it every day. Same with Cauley Stein.

knicks1248 wrote:The Title of the thread could have been a little different, but the point is, phils looks more establish young players..He is not high on the AAU circuit

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The Title of the thread could have been a little different, but the point is, phils looks more establish young players..He is not high on the AAU circuit

Good. The AAU circuit is whats wrong with US hoops. That being said your point was Phil follows a pattern. He doesnt.

so you think the fact that all the guys he's brought in have all be establish is a coincidence?

He's going to go after the kid with the most experience, and a higher IQ..whats wrong with that?

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The Title of the thread could have been a little different, but the point is, phils looks more establish young players..He is not high on the AAU circuit

Good. The AAU circuit is whats wrong with US hoops. That being said your point was Phil follows a pattern. He doesnt.

so you think the fact that all the guys he's brought in have all be establish is a coincidence?

He's going to go after the kid with the most experience, and a higher IQ..whats wrong with that?

When its come to drafting Phil took kids with upside over "established" players.

Wait......
Wait for it........
4th!!!!!!

You know what that means, right?
Yep, 4 quarters to a dollar!
4 quarters in an NBA Game!
4 divided into a 12 minute quarter is 3!!!! x 2 is 6!!! Thats KP's number!!!!
Im seeing a pattern!!!
N'dour with 2 pro teams and 2 DLeague is.....4! Shazaam!!!!
Phil drives a car with, yep, 4 tires!!!! Pattern solved! New world order stuff here!!!

Nalod wrote:KP was picked..................

Wait......
Wait for it........
4th!!!!!!

You know what that means, right?
Yep, 4 quarters to a dollar!
4 quarters in an NBA Game!
4 divided into a 12 minute quarter is 3!!!! x 2 is 6!!! Thats KP's number!!!!
Im seeing a pattern!!!
N'dour with 2 pro teams and 2 DLeague is.....4! Shazaam!!!!
Phil drives a car with, yep, 4 tires!!!! Pattern solved! New world order stuff here!!!

OMG!!!! ITS ALL SO CLEAR NOW; thank you thank you

Check this out!!!

That noise you hear? "Ming blown!!!" I know, right?
Go ahead, connect the dots and then it hits you!!! All this time its been right there, right under our noses!!!!