Knicks · Who would you rather have right now: Melo or Gallinari? (page 2)
TripleThreat wrote:Who would you rather have right now: Melo or Gallinari?****
I'd rather have ANYONE who would play team basketball and do their best at MAX EFFORT to play the game the RIGHT WAY
I'd rather have Rick Brunson or Brian Scalabrine on this roster instead of Melo.
Win or lose, play the game the right way.
blkexec says, well that's just the way Melo is, everyone should just know better. It's everyone elses fault, blame the fans. Way to set expectations low. ( Who the flying f**k says to blame the fans, I mean what kind of senseless happy horsesh*t is that? I'm usually of the vein to "let everyone have their opinion" but WTF? Why not just take a big fat piss on the faces of all the fans here....)
I accept players have deficiencies in their game.
It is UNACCEPTABLE for anyone wearing a beloved Knicks jersey to give anything less than max effort.
It is UNACCEPTABLE for anyone wearing a beloved Knicks jersey to do anything other than everything possible to win basketball games, up to and including sacrificing one's personal game.
It is UNACCEPTABLE for anyone wearing a beloved Knicks jersey to not work on their game relentless to correct those deficiencies as much as humanly possibly.
This should be the BASELINE behavior of a player on this roster.
Chris Rock said it best, never congratulate someone or make them out to be a hero for THINGS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO ANYWAY.
If someone applauds because Melo once in a while gives some kind of effort on defense, to me, that's repugnant. It's insulting to every Knicks fan. Its insulting to the game itself. It's insulting period.
There was a Twilight Zone episode, an old one, where a couple has a car break down in a small town, and everyone is terrified of one kid. Because he has supernatural powers, to make people disappear and he's basically a spoiled out of control child throwing temper tantrums and killing people left and right. This is Melo. Basically an out of control child who no one can drag into any kind of discipline because he has a guaranteed contract, a NTC, a trade kicker and basically no desire to help this team win.
Yes, yes, blame the fans. How completely out of touch do you have to be with any kind of reality to blame the fans? Without the fans, Melo would be driving a truck for a living ( not that there is anything wrong with honest work) Without the fans, Alonzo Mourning and his fried kidneys would be DEAD. Only NBA players are that stupid as to have Patrick Ewing say, "We make a lot of money, but we spend a lot of money too" when there are people out there losing their homes and struggle to pay for their basic medicine and food.
Here's something once you get past the most vocal minority of fans, I'd wager most of the fanbase would UNDERSTAND a team losing and losing a lot if that team was giving max effort and playing the right way. Because if you do that, if you stay the course, you won't lose forever. Things can change for the better. It won't happen overnight, but it's the nature of the game itself. If you give everything you have into the game, the game gives everything it has back into you.
I truly think many people fail to understand Jeremy Lin and Linsanity in New York. It's not because he was Asian. It's not because he was an underdog story. He represented such a contrast to the selfish BS me first diva player typical of the NBA, he was like a breath of fresh air. Or course he got criticism, he showed more as basically a rookie player, the poise, the relentlessness, the leadership, the sacrifice, than many decade long veterans. In a game marketed to sell the most shoes and see who can dunk over a car, it still came down to playing the game the right way, for the right reasons, for the greater good of winning.
It's not just the losing this season, it's that so many of the player, esp the veterans, played in a way no reasonable fan could be proud of in any way. Melo wants to come to NY but carries none of the grit that defines New York.
It's insulting how Melo plays the game.
It's pathetic that he apparently has no shame for his disgraceful play.
It's mind boggling to try to negotiate with a child to do the THINGS HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO ANYWAYEvery single time Melo puts on a Knicks jersey and doesn't play in a manner to befit the HONOR that should mean, he's saying F**K YOU to all of you. To every single last fan here. He's saying EAT MY SH*T AND DIE. And some of you are cool with it, want to defend that behavior, and the question has to be asked, because Melo has no dignity, does that mean you have to have no dignity as well?
There's nothing wrong with expecting someone to act like a professional.
There's nothing wrong with expecting someone to act like they belong in New York.
I have seen you praise David Lee's efforts here, knowing he was only concerned about one thing, his double doubles, and couldn't give two shits about defense or his man on the perimeter...Yet you kill Melo who gives far more effort on defense than Mr. Lee...
I have seen you glow over Steve Novak, who must have been the biggest defensive disaster ever to don a Knick uniform...I remember one game where he allow 5 consecutive layups from his man and people complained he wasn't getting enough playing time in that very game...He never really played after the Knicks..Only Knick fans..
You though we should have built around Jeremy Lin, another Knick defensive disaster..I must admit he did improve over the years on defense but the day Calderon scorched him for 25 early before Shump had to shut him down was just about enough for me...
So, really, what gives because you didn't find all these things UNACCEPTABLE???
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.
Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.
I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..Hitting 5-5, 2 pt. field goals(100%) ts% is less than 9-10(90%) free throws...Makes zero sense..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...He has missed seasons, so why would that mean a better record??
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...
We're talking about FG%, right? That's the topic you raised. So almost half of Gallo's official shots (the shots that are counted for FG%) are 3s. I don't know what you mean about FT% weighting. Are you talking about the fact that it weighs each attempted free throw as 0.44 FGs? It has to do that since the average free throw corresponds to 0.44 possessions. There is no other logical weight you could possibly give it. And certainly giving free throws zero weight (and 3 pointers zero extra weight) by just looking at FG% is not more logical.
Regarding your last point, I've posted a lot of stats. If you have ones that contradict what I've said feel free to post. When I said having Gallo and the picks would likely lead to a better record than having Melo, I should have also mentioned the extra $10 mil a year in cap space. That would make it an even more clear cut comparison IMO. Then again, if you want a team full of guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Melo, and Rose, we're obviously going to disagree anyway.
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...
We're talking about FG%, right? That's the topic you raised. So almost half of Gallo's official shots (the shots that are counted for FG%) are 3s. I don't know what you mean about FT% weighting. Are you talking about the fact that it weighs each attempted free throw as 0.44 FGs? It has to do that since the average free throw corresponds to 0.44 possessions. There is no other logical weight you could possibly give it. And certainly giving free throws zero weight (and 3 pointers zero extra weight) by just looking at FG% is not more logical.
Regarding your last point, I've posted a lot of stats. If you have ones that contradict what I've said feel free to post. When I said having Gallo and the picks would likely lead to a better record than having Melo, I should have also mentioned the extra $10 mil a year in cap space. That would make it an even more clear cut comparison IMO. Then again, if you want a team full of guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Melo, and Rose, we're obviously going to disagree anyway.
Well 41% of Gallo's "official" shots since he left the Knicks were three point fg%, not close to 50%...Regardless of what the free throw corresponds to .44% possession or whatever, the unequal weighing of that value as compared to a fg doesn't accurately convey what points really mean on the court...9 points via one method can never be better than 10 points by another method by any measure whatsoever, and be called a reliable way to assess value or contribution...It means you lost the game...Are we still using wins as wins???
You can't arbitrarily throw out scenario that will create more victories when so many variables goes into winning...I'm convinced the hiring Phil negatively affected wins..The record proves it...How is that on Melo or any one player???
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...
We're talking about FG%, right? That's the topic you raised. So almost half of Gallo's official shots (the shots that are counted for FG%) are 3s. I don't know what you mean about FT% weighting. Are you talking about the fact that it weighs each attempted free throw as 0.44 FGs? It has to do that since the average free throw corresponds to 0.44 possessions. There is no other logical weight you could possibly give it. And certainly giving free throws zero weight (and 3 pointers zero extra weight) by just looking at FG% is not more logical.
Regarding your last point, I've posted a lot of stats. If you have ones that contradict what I've said feel free to post. When I said having Gallo and the picks would likely lead to a better record than having Melo, I should have also mentioned the extra $10 mil a year in cap space. That would make it an even more clear cut comparison IMO. Then again, if you want a team full of guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Melo, and Rose, we're obviously going to disagree anyway.Well 41% of Gallo's "official" shots since he left the Knicks were three point fg%, not close to 50%...Regardless of what the free throw corresponds to .44% possession or whatever, the unequal weighing of that value as compared to a fg doesn't accurately convey what points really mean on the court...9 points via one method can never be better than 10 points by another method by any measure whatsoever, and be called a reliable way to assess value or contribution...
This shouldn't happen though unless a player gets all his FT attempts from only one method - not over the course of a full season's data anyway. You haven't given any reason to think it would be the case with Gallo. And you definitely haven't given any reason to think the solution is to give zero weight to FTs (by looking at FG%). In an imperfect world where they don't record in the box score the scenario for each FT, the current TS% weighting is the best solution. Either that or you could separately compare two players' EFG% and FT%s. However, Gallo comes out ahead of Melo in both comparisons.
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...
We're talking about FG%, right? That's the topic you raised. So almost half of Gallo's official shots (the shots that are counted for FG%) are 3s. I don't know what you mean about FT% weighting. Are you talking about the fact that it weighs each attempted free throw as 0.44 FGs? It has to do that since the average free throw corresponds to 0.44 possessions. There is no other logical weight you could possibly give it. And certainly giving free throws zero weight (and 3 pointers zero extra weight) by just looking at FG% is not more logical.
Regarding your last point, I've posted a lot of stats. If you have ones that contradict what I've said feel free to post. When I said having Gallo and the picks would likely lead to a better record than having Melo, I should have also mentioned the extra $10 mil a year in cap space. That would make it an even more clear cut comparison IMO. Then again, if you want a team full of guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Melo, and Rose, we're obviously going to disagree anyway.Well 41% of Gallo's "official" shots since he left the Knicks were three point fg%, not close to 50%...Regardless of what the free throw corresponds to .44% possession or whatever, the unequal weighing of that value as compared to a fg doesn't accurately convey what points really mean on the court...9 points via one method can never be better than 10 points by another method by any measure whatsoever, and be called a reliable way to assess value or contribution...
This shouldn't happen though unless a player gets all his FT attempts from only one method - not over the course of a full season's data anyway. You haven't given any reason to think it would be the case with Gallo. And you definitely haven't given any reason to think the solution is to give zero weight to FTs (by looking at FG%). In an imperfect world where they don't record in the box score the scenario for each FT, the current TS% weighting is the best solution. Either that or you could separately compare two players' EFG% and FT%s. However, Gallo comes out ahead of Melo in both comparisons.
This is only a small piece of the equation though. You've gotta look at win shares, on/off #s, player tracking data, and more. Or join the Nets and Lakers by ignoring all the metrics.
Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...
We're talking about FG%, right? That's the topic you raised. So almost half of Gallo's official shots (the shots that are counted for FG%) are 3s. I don't know what you mean about FT% weighting. Are you talking about the fact that it weighs each attempted free throw as 0.44 FGs? It has to do that since the average free throw corresponds to 0.44 possessions. There is no other logical weight you could possibly give it. And certainly giving free throws zero weight (and 3 pointers zero extra weight) by just looking at FG% is not more logical.
Regarding your last point, I've posted a lot of stats. If you have ones that contradict what I've said feel free to post. When I said having Gallo and the picks would likely lead to a better record than having Melo, I should have also mentioned the extra $10 mil a year in cap space. That would make it an even more clear cut comparison IMO. Then again, if you want a team full of guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Melo, and Rose, we're obviously going to disagree anyway.Well 41% of Gallo's "official" shots since he left the Knicks were three point fg%, not close to 50%...Regardless of what the free throw corresponds to .44% possession or whatever, the unequal weighing of that value as compared to a fg doesn't accurately convey what points really mean on the court...9 points via one method can never be better than 10 points by another method by any measure whatsoever, and be called a reliable way to assess value or contribution...
This shouldn't happen though unless a player gets all his FT attempts from only one method - not over the course of a full season's data anyway. You haven't given any reason to think it would be the case with Gallo. And you definitely haven't given any reason to think the solution is to give zero weight to FTs (by looking at FG%). In an imperfect world where they don't record in the box score the scenario for each FT, the current TS% weighting is the best solution. Either that or you could separately compare two players' EFG% and FT%s. However, Gallo comes out ahead of Melo in both comparisons.This is only a small piece of the equation though. You've gotta look at win shares, on/off #s, player tracking data, and more. Or join the Nets and Lakers by ignoring all the metrics.
It's not a small piece of the equation because free throws are an important part of the game and stats..Gallo took 8 ft per this past year..90% shooter will certainly skew the value of the ts% significantly...Win shares have team wins as a skew...i look at different players in their rookie season some time ago and saw that team wins significantly affected win share values..So, I'm not sure how you put your trust in such means to assess individual players...
Metrics does have value, I do however think it's well overstated...
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...
We're talking about FG%, right? That's the topic you raised. So almost half of Gallo's official shots (the shots that are counted for FG%) are 3s. I don't know what you mean about FT% weighting. Are you talking about the fact that it weighs each attempted free throw as 0.44 FGs? It has to do that since the average free throw corresponds to 0.44 possessions. There is no other logical weight you could possibly give it. And certainly giving free throws zero weight (and 3 pointers zero extra weight) by just looking at FG% is not more logical.
Regarding your last point, I've posted a lot of stats. If you have ones that contradict what I've said feel free to post. When I said having Gallo and the picks would likely lead to a better record than having Melo, I should have also mentioned the extra $10 mil a year in cap space. That would make it an even more clear cut comparison IMO. Then again, if you want a team full of guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Melo, and Rose, we're obviously going to disagree anyway.Well 41% of Gallo's "official" shots since he left the Knicks were three point fg%, not close to 50%...Regardless of what the free throw corresponds to .44% possession or whatever, the unequal weighing of that value as compared to a fg doesn't accurately convey what points really mean on the court...9 points via one method can never be better than 10 points by another method by any measure whatsoever, and be called a reliable way to assess value or contribution...
This shouldn't happen though unless a player gets all his FT attempts from only one method - not over the course of a full season's data anyway. You haven't given any reason to think it would be the case with Gallo. And you definitely haven't given any reason to think the solution is to give zero weight to FTs (by looking at FG%). In an imperfect world where they don't record in the box score the scenario for each FT, the current TS% weighting is the best solution. Either that or you could separately compare two players' EFG% and FT%s. However, Gallo comes out ahead of Melo in both comparisons.This is only a small piece of the equation though. You've gotta look at win shares, on/off #s, player tracking data, and more. Or join the Nets and Lakers by ignoring all the metrics.
It's not a small piece of the equation because free throws are an important part of the game and stats..Gallo took 8 ft per this past year..90% shooter will certainly skew the value of the ts% significantly...Win shares have team wins as a skew...i look at different players in their rookie season some time ago and saw that team wins significantly affected win share values..So, I'm not sure how you put your trust in such means to assess individual players...
Metrics does have value, I do however think it's well overstated...
You've got it reversed. TS% is the best possible (least flawed) method to accurately account for the value of free throws. A stat that ignores free throws like FG% is skewed against players who get to the line. I don't mind if a person wants to look separately at efg% and ft% though. Yeah, win shares is definitely imperfect and just one part of the equation. The defensive win share stat is more flawed than offensive win shares. The tracking data are important too but there is no one perfect stat.
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...
We're talking about FG%, right? That's the topic you raised. So almost half of Gallo's official shots (the shots that are counted for FG%) are 3s. I don't know what you mean about FT% weighting. Are you talking about the fact that it weighs each attempted free throw as 0.44 FGs? It has to do that since the average free throw corresponds to 0.44 possessions. There is no other logical weight you could possibly give it. And certainly giving free throws zero weight (and 3 pointers zero extra weight) by just looking at FG% is not more logical.
Regarding your last point, I've posted a lot of stats. If you have ones that contradict what I've said feel free to post. When I said having Gallo and the picks would likely lead to a better record than having Melo, I should have also mentioned the extra $10 mil a year in cap space. That would make it an even more clear cut comparison IMO. Then again, if you want a team full of guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Melo, and Rose, we're obviously going to disagree anyway.Well 41% of Gallo's "official" shots since he left the Knicks were three point fg%, not close to 50%...Regardless of what the free throw corresponds to .44% possession or whatever, the unequal weighing of that value as compared to a fg doesn't accurately convey what points really mean on the court...9 points via one method can never be better than 10 points by another method by any measure whatsoever, and be called a reliable way to assess value or contribution...
This shouldn't happen though unless a player gets all his FT attempts from only one method - not over the course of a full season's data anyway. You haven't given any reason to think it would be the case with Gallo. And you definitely haven't given any reason to think the solution is to give zero weight to FTs (by looking at FG%). In an imperfect world where they don't record in the box score the scenario for each FT, the current TS% weighting is the best solution. Either that or you could separately compare two players' EFG% and FT%s. However, Gallo comes out ahead of Melo in both comparisons.This is only a small piece of the equation though. You've gotta look at win shares, on/off #s, player tracking data, and more. Or join the Nets and Lakers by ignoring all the metrics.
It's not a small piece of the equation because free throws are an important part of the game and stats..Gallo took 8 ft per this past year..90% shooter will certainly skew the value of the ts% significantly...Win shares have team wins as a skew...i look at different players in their rookie season some time ago and saw that team wins significantly affected win share values..So, I'm not sure how you put your trust in such means to assess individual players...
Metrics does have value, I do however think it's well overstated...
You've got it reversed. TS% is the best possible method to accurately account for the value of free throws. A stat that ignores free throws like FG% is skewed against players who get to the line. Yeah, win shares is definitely imperfect and just one part of the equation. The defensive win share stat is more flawed than offensive win shares. The tracking data are important too but there is no one perfect stat.
My argument has always been why would you want to look at an offensive player stat as a singular statistical number..I doesn't tell you how and where he scores his points when building a team..If Gallo is skilled at getting to the free throw line then that is valuable information that needs to be broken down into its components...But that's just me, old school I guess...
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...
We're talking about FG%, right? That's the topic you raised. So almost half of Gallo's official shots (the shots that are counted for FG%) are 3s. I don't know what you mean about FT% weighting. Are you talking about the fact that it weighs each attempted free throw as 0.44 FGs? It has to do that since the average free throw corresponds to 0.44 possessions. There is no other logical weight you could possibly give it. And certainly giving free throws zero weight (and 3 pointers zero extra weight) by just looking at FG% is not more logical.
Regarding your last point, I've posted a lot of stats. If you have ones that contradict what I've said feel free to post. When I said having Gallo and the picks would likely lead to a better record than having Melo, I should have also mentioned the extra $10 mil a year in cap space. That would make it an even more clear cut comparison IMO. Then again, if you want a team full of guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Melo, and Rose, we're obviously going to disagree anyway.Well 41% of Gallo's "official" shots since he left the Knicks were three point fg%, not close to 50%...Regardless of what the free throw corresponds to .44% possession or whatever, the unequal weighing of that value as compared to a fg doesn't accurately convey what points really mean on the court...9 points via one method can never be better than 10 points by another method by any measure whatsoever, and be called a reliable way to assess value or contribution...
This shouldn't happen though unless a player gets all his FT attempts from only one method - not over the course of a full season's data anyway. You haven't given any reason to think it would be the case with Gallo. And you definitely haven't given any reason to think the solution is to give zero weight to FTs (by looking at FG%). In an imperfect world where they don't record in the box score the scenario for each FT, the current TS% weighting is the best solution. Either that or you could separately compare two players' EFG% and FT%s. However, Gallo comes out ahead of Melo in both comparisons.This is only a small piece of the equation though. You've gotta look at win shares, on/off #s, player tracking data, and more. Or join the Nets and Lakers by ignoring all the metrics.
It's not a small piece of the equation because free throws are an important part of the game and stats..Gallo took 8 ft per this past year..90% shooter will certainly skew the value of the ts% significantly...Win shares have team wins as a skew...i look at different players in their rookie season some time ago and saw that team wins significantly affected win share values..So, I'm not sure how you put your trust in such means to assess individual players...
Metrics does have value, I do however think it's well overstated...
You've got it reversed. TS% is the best possible method to accurately account for the value of free throws. A stat that ignores free throws like FG% is skewed against players who get to the line. Yeah, win shares is definitely imperfect and just one part of the equation. The defensive win share stat is more flawed than offensive win shares. The tracking data are important too but there is no one perfect stat.My argument has always been why would you want to look at an offensive player stat as a singular statistical number..I doesn't tell you how and where he scores his points when building a team..If Gallo is skilled at getting to the free throw line then that is valuable information that needs to be broken down into its components...But that's just me, old school I guess...
But the thing is FG% is a singular stat that ignores FTs and gives equal weight to 2s and 3s. Based on what you're saying the most logical thing to do would be to look at the 2 point FG%, 3 point FG%, and FT% each separately for each player. The problem is that if you're a GM you have to have some way to get an overall judgment of the player. You have to figure out who you'd rather have on offense when you're comparing players even if one is better in one category and another is better in another category. So you could either used the statistically least flawed method to combine the numbers, or just look at all 3 categories separately and then go with your gut I guess.
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...
We're talking about FG%, right? That's the topic you raised. So almost half of Gallo's official shots (the shots that are counted for FG%) are 3s. I don't know what you mean about FT% weighting. Are you talking about the fact that it weighs each attempted free throw as 0.44 FGs? It has to do that since the average free throw corresponds to 0.44 possessions. There is no other logical weight you could possibly give it. And certainly giving free throws zero weight (and 3 pointers zero extra weight) by just looking at FG% is not more logical.
Regarding your last point, I've posted a lot of stats. If you have ones that contradict what I've said feel free to post. When I said having Gallo and the picks would likely lead to a better record than having Melo, I should have also mentioned the extra $10 mil a year in cap space. That would make it an even more clear cut comparison IMO. Then again, if you want a team full of guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Melo, and Rose, we're obviously going to disagree anyway.Well 41% of Gallo's "official" shots since he left the Knicks were three point fg%, not close to 50%...Regardless of what the free throw corresponds to .44% possession or whatever, the unequal weighing of that value as compared to a fg doesn't accurately convey what points really mean on the court...9 points via one method can never be better than 10 points by another method by any measure whatsoever, and be called a reliable way to assess value or contribution...
This shouldn't happen though unless a player gets all his FT attempts from only one method - not over the course of a full season's data anyway. You haven't given any reason to think it would be the case with Gallo. And you definitely haven't given any reason to think the solution is to give zero weight to FTs (by looking at FG%). In an imperfect world where they don't record in the box score the scenario for each FT, the current TS% weighting is the best solution. Either that or you could separately compare two players' EFG% and FT%s. However, Gallo comes out ahead of Melo in both comparisons.This is only a small piece of the equation though. You've gotta look at win shares, on/off #s, player tracking data, and more. Or join the Nets and Lakers by ignoring all the metrics.
It's not a small piece of the equation because free throws are an important part of the game and stats..Gallo took 8 ft per this past year..90% shooter will certainly skew the value of the ts% significantly...Win shares have team wins as a skew...i look at different players in their rookie season some time ago and saw that team wins significantly affected win share values..So, I'm not sure how you put your trust in such means to assess individual players...
Metrics does have value, I do however think it's well overstated...
You've got it reversed. TS% is the best possible method to accurately account for the value of free throws. A stat that ignores free throws like FG% is skewed against players who get to the line. Yeah, win shares is definitely imperfect and just one part of the equation. The defensive win share stat is more flawed than offensive win shares. The tracking data are important too but there is no one perfect stat.My argument has always been why would you want to look at an offensive player stat as a singular statistical number..I doesn't tell you how and where he scores his points when building a team..If Gallo is skilled at getting to the free throw line then that is valuable information that needs to be broken down into its components...But that's just me, old school I guess...
But the thing is FG% is a singular stat that ignores FTs and gives equal weight to 2s and 3s. Based on what you're saying the most logical thing to do would be to look at the 2 point FG%, 3 point FG%, and FT% each separately for each player. The problem is that if you're a GM you have to have some way to get an overall judgment of the player. You have to figure out who you'd rather have on offense when you're comparing players even if one is better in one category and another is better in another category. So you could either used the statistically least flawed method to combine the numbers, or just look at all 3 categories separately and then go with your gut I guess.
That's why you look at all components which is what I said in the previous post...You act like fg,ft,3pts etc are hidden and cant be accessed ..It take a second..You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill..
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...
We're talking about FG%, right? That's the topic you raised. So almost half of Gallo's official shots (the shots that are counted for FG%) are 3s. I don't know what you mean about FT% weighting. Are you talking about the fact that it weighs each attempted free throw as 0.44 FGs? It has to do that since the average free throw corresponds to 0.44 possessions. There is no other logical weight you could possibly give it. And certainly giving free throws zero weight (and 3 pointers zero extra weight) by just looking at FG% is not more logical.
Regarding your last point, I've posted a lot of stats. If you have ones that contradict what I've said feel free to post. When I said having Gallo and the picks would likely lead to a better record than having Melo, I should have also mentioned the extra $10 mil a year in cap space. That would make it an even more clear cut comparison IMO. Then again, if you want a team full of guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Melo, and Rose, we're obviously going to disagree anyway.Well 41% of Gallo's "official" shots since he left the Knicks were three point fg%, not close to 50%...Regardless of what the free throw corresponds to .44% possession or whatever, the unequal weighing of that value as compared to a fg doesn't accurately convey what points really mean on the court...9 points via one method can never be better than 10 points by another method by any measure whatsoever, and be called a reliable way to assess value or contribution...
This shouldn't happen though unless a player gets all his FT attempts from only one method - not over the course of a full season's data anyway. You haven't given any reason to think it would be the case with Gallo. And you definitely haven't given any reason to think the solution is to give zero weight to FTs (by looking at FG%). In an imperfect world where they don't record in the box score the scenario for each FT, the current TS% weighting is the best solution. Either that or you could separately compare two players' EFG% and FT%s. However, Gallo comes out ahead of Melo in both comparisons.This is only a small piece of the equation though. You've gotta look at win shares, on/off #s, player tracking data, and more. Or join the Nets and Lakers by ignoring all the metrics.
It's not a small piece of the equation because free throws are an important part of the game and stats..Gallo took 8 ft per this past year..90% shooter will certainly skew the value of the ts% significantly...Win shares have team wins as a skew...i look at different players in their rookie season some time ago and saw that team wins significantly affected win share values..So, I'm not sure how you put your trust in such means to assess individual players...
Metrics does have value, I do however think it's well overstated...
You've got it reversed. TS% is the best possible method to accurately account for the value of free throws. A stat that ignores free throws like FG% is skewed against players who get to the line. Yeah, win shares is definitely imperfect and just one part of the equation. The defensive win share stat is more flawed than offensive win shares. The tracking data are important too but there is no one perfect stat.My argument has always been why would you want to look at an offensive player stat as a singular statistical number..I doesn't tell you how and where he scores his points when building a team..If Gallo is skilled at getting to the free throw line then that is valuable information that needs to be broken down into its components...But that's just me, old school I guess...
But the thing is FG% is a singular stat that ignores FTs and gives equal weight to 2s and 3s. Based on what you're saying the most logical thing to do would be to look at the 2 point FG%, 3 point FG%, and FT% each separately for each player. The problem is that if you're a GM you have to have some way to get an overall judgment of the player. You have to figure out who you'd rather have on offense when you're comparing players even if one is better in one category and another is better in another category. So you could either used the statistically least flawed method to combine the numbers, or just look at all 3 categories separately and then go with your gut I guess.That's why you look at all components which is what I said in the previous post...You act like fg,ft,3pts etc are hidden and cant be accessed ..
I'm not sure if you read my post too quickly. Based on what you're saying, you should be rejecting FG% because it's a singular stat that combines two very different things (2 pointers and 3 pointers). And it combines them in a totally illogical way (where 2s equal 3s). It's not slightly off like TS% might in theory be in small samples. It's totally illogical. You should be looking at 2 point FG% and 3 point FG% separately if you object to singular stats, and I'd have no problem if someone wanted to do that.
That said, how are you going to compare two players when one is better in one category and another is better in another category? You have to either have the least flawed statistical way to combine the categories (TS%) or just go with your gut.
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...
We're talking about FG%, right? That's the topic you raised. So almost half of Gallo's official shots (the shots that are counted for FG%) are 3s. I don't know what you mean about FT% weighting. Are you talking about the fact that it weighs each attempted free throw as 0.44 FGs? It has to do that since the average free throw corresponds to 0.44 possessions. There is no other logical weight you could possibly give it. And certainly giving free throws zero weight (and 3 pointers zero extra weight) by just looking at FG% is not more logical.
Regarding your last point, I've posted a lot of stats. If you have ones that contradict what I've said feel free to post. When I said having Gallo and the picks would likely lead to a better record than having Melo, I should have also mentioned the extra $10 mil a year in cap space. That would make it an even more clear cut comparison IMO. Then again, if you want a team full of guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Melo, and Rose, we're obviously going to disagree anyway.Well 41% of Gallo's "official" shots since he left the Knicks were three point fg%, not close to 50%...Regardless of what the free throw corresponds to .44% possession or whatever, the unequal weighing of that value as compared to a fg doesn't accurately convey what points really mean on the court...9 points via one method can never be better than 10 points by another method by any measure whatsoever, and be called a reliable way to assess value or contribution...
This shouldn't happen though unless a player gets all his FT attempts from only one method - not over the course of a full season's data anyway. You haven't given any reason to think it would be the case with Gallo. And you definitely haven't given any reason to think the solution is to give zero weight to FTs (by looking at FG%). In an imperfect world where they don't record in the box score the scenario for each FT, the current TS% weighting is the best solution. Either that or you could separately compare two players' EFG% and FT%s. However, Gallo comes out ahead of Melo in both comparisons.This is only a small piece of the equation though. You've gotta look at win shares, on/off #s, player tracking data, and more. Or join the Nets and Lakers by ignoring all the metrics.
It's not a small piece of the equation because free throws are an important part of the game and stats..Gallo took 8 ft per this past year..90% shooter will certainly skew the value of the ts% significantly...Win shares have team wins as a skew...i look at different players in their rookie season some time ago and saw that team wins significantly affected win share values..So, I'm not sure how you put your trust in such means to assess individual players...
Metrics does have value, I do however think it's well overstated...
You've got it reversed. TS% is the best possible method to accurately account for the value of free throws. A stat that ignores free throws like FG% is skewed against players who get to the line. Yeah, win shares is definitely imperfect and just one part of the equation. The defensive win share stat is more flawed than offensive win shares. The tracking data are important too but there is no one perfect stat.My argument has always been why would you want to look at an offensive player stat as a singular statistical number..I doesn't tell you how and where he scores his points when building a team..If Gallo is skilled at getting to the free throw line then that is valuable information that needs to be broken down into its components...But that's just me, old school I guess...
But the thing is FG% is a singular stat that ignores FTs and gives equal weight to 2s and 3s. Based on what you're saying the most logical thing to do would be to look at the 2 point FG%, 3 point FG%, and FT% each separately for each player. The problem is that if you're a GM you have to have some way to get an overall judgment of the player. You have to figure out who you'd rather have on offense when you're comparing players even if one is better in one category and another is better in another category. So you could either used the statistically least flawed method to combine the numbers, or just look at all 3 categories separately and then go with your gut I guess.That's why you look at all components which is what I said in the previous post...You act like fg,ft,3pts etc are hidden and cant be accessed ..
I'm not sure if you read my post too quickly. Based on what you're saying, you should be rejecting FG% because it's a singular stat that combines two very different things (2 pointers and 3 pointers). And it combines them in a totally illogical way (where 2s equal 3s). It's not slightly off like TS% might in theory be in small samples. It's totally illogical. You should be looking at 2 point FG% and 3 point FG% separately if you object to singular stats, and I'd have no problem if someone wanted to do that.
That said, how are you going to compare two players when one is better in one category and another is better in another category? You have to either have the least flawed statistical way to combine the categories (TS%) or just go with your gut.
Or I'll put it another way. If another team's GM wants to trade his player for your player, you can't reach *one* judgment (yes or no to doing the trade) from *three* categories (2s, 3s, and FTs). You have to either statistically combine the categories or just go with your gut. Or even if you're trying to decide which of your two players at the same position is helping the team more on offense and should get more playing time, you have to have a way to combine all of the available offensive numbers.
There is value in also looking at all the numbers separately if you want to work on improving weak areas for a player, though.
Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...
We're talking about FG%, right? That's the topic you raised. So almost half of Gallo's official shots (the shots that are counted for FG%) are 3s. I don't know what you mean about FT% weighting. Are you talking about the fact that it weighs each attempted free throw as 0.44 FGs? It has to do that since the average free throw corresponds to 0.44 possessions. There is no other logical weight you could possibly give it. And certainly giving free throws zero weight (and 3 pointers zero extra weight) by just looking at FG% is not more logical.
Regarding your last point, I've posted a lot of stats. If you have ones that contradict what I've said feel free to post. When I said having Gallo and the picks would likely lead to a better record than having Melo, I should have also mentioned the extra $10 mil a year in cap space. That would make it an even more clear cut comparison IMO. Then again, if you want a team full of guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Melo, and Rose, we're obviously going to disagree anyway.Well 41% of Gallo's "official" shots since he left the Knicks were three point fg%, not close to 50%...Regardless of what the free throw corresponds to .44% possession or whatever, the unequal weighing of that value as compared to a fg doesn't accurately convey what points really mean on the court...9 points via one method can never be better than 10 points by another method by any measure whatsoever, and be called a reliable way to assess value or contribution...
This shouldn't happen though unless a player gets all his FT attempts from only one method - not over the course of a full season's data anyway. You haven't given any reason to think it would be the case with Gallo. And you definitely haven't given any reason to think the solution is to give zero weight to FTs (by looking at FG%). In an imperfect world where they don't record in the box score the scenario for each FT, the current TS% weighting is the best solution. Either that or you could separately compare two players' EFG% and FT%s. However, Gallo comes out ahead of Melo in both comparisons.This is only a small piece of the equation though. You've gotta look at win shares, on/off #s, player tracking data, and more. Or join the Nets and Lakers by ignoring all the metrics.
It's not a small piece of the equation because free throws are an important part of the game and stats..Gallo took 8 ft per this past year..90% shooter will certainly skew the value of the ts% significantly...Win shares have team wins as a skew...i look at different players in their rookie season some time ago and saw that team wins significantly affected win share values..So, I'm not sure how you put your trust in such means to assess individual players...
Metrics does have value, I do however think it's well overstated...
You've got it reversed. TS% is the best possible method to accurately account for the value of free throws. A stat that ignores free throws like FG% is skewed against players who get to the line. Yeah, win shares is definitely imperfect and just one part of the equation. The defensive win share stat is more flawed than offensive win shares. The tracking data are important too but there is no one perfect stat.My argument has always been why would you want to look at an offensive player stat as a singular statistical number..I doesn't tell you how and where he scores his points when building a team..If Gallo is skilled at getting to the free throw line then that is valuable information that needs to be broken down into its components...But that's just me, old school I guess...
But the thing is FG% is a singular stat that ignores FTs and gives equal weight to 2s and 3s. Based on what you're saying the most logical thing to do would be to look at the 2 point FG%, 3 point FG%, and FT% each separately for each player. The problem is that if you're a GM you have to have some way to get an overall judgment of the player. You have to figure out who you'd rather have on offense when you're comparing players even if one is better in one category and another is better in another category. So you could either used the statistically least flawed method to combine the numbers, or just look at all 3 categories separately and then go with your gut I guess.That's why you look at all components which is what I said in the previous post...You act like fg,ft,3pts etc are hidden and cant be accessed ..
I'm not sure if you read my post too quickly. Based on what you're saying, you should be rejecting FG% because it's a singular stat that combines two very different things (2 pointers and 3 pointers). And it combines them in a totally illogical way (where 2s equal 3s). It's not slightly off like TS% might in theory be in small samples. It's totally illogical. You should be looking at 2 point FG% and 3 point FG% separately if you object to singular stats, and I'd have no problem if someone wanted to do that.
That said, how are you going to compare two players when one is better in one category and another is better in another category? You have to either have the least flawed statistical way to combine the categories (TS%) or just go with your gut.
Or I'll put it another way. If another team's GM wants to trade his player for your player, you can't reach *one* judgment (yes or no to doing the trade) from *three* categories (2s, 3s, and FTs). You have to either statistically combine the categories or just go with your gut. Or even if you're trying to decide which of your two players at the same position is helping the team more on offense and should get more playing time, you have to have a way to combine all of the available offensive numbers.
There is value in also looking at all the numbers separately, especially if you want to work on improving weak areas for a player, though.
I can never ever imagine a scenario where an GM won't look at a player twenty ways til sunday determine whether or not to trade for this player...What lazy GM would want to look at one stat...FG is not flawed..I look at FG and 3pt % in one breath and figure out 2 pt%..It's not that complicated, it one glance...
You got me in the weeds again..You are amazing....hahahahahahah...
Bonn1997 wrote:I'm looking at the poll results. Did you vote 5 times, Holfresh?
I smell Andrew and Martin might be up to this...Gallo just got a sudden surge...
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...
We're talking about FG%, right? That's the topic you raised. So almost half of Gallo's official shots (the shots that are counted for FG%) are 3s. I don't know what you mean about FT% weighting. Are you talking about the fact that it weighs each attempted free throw as 0.44 FGs? It has to do that since the average free throw corresponds to 0.44 possessions. There is no other logical weight you could possibly give it. And certainly giving free throws zero weight (and 3 pointers zero extra weight) by just looking at FG% is not more logical.
Regarding your last point, I've posted a lot of stats. If you have ones that contradict what I've said feel free to post. When I said having Gallo and the picks would likely lead to a better record than having Melo, I should have also mentioned the extra $10 mil a year in cap space. That would make it an even more clear cut comparison IMO. Then again, if you want a team full of guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Melo, and Rose, we're obviously going to disagree anyway.Well 41% of Gallo's "official" shots since he left the Knicks were three point fg%, not close to 50%...Regardless of what the free throw corresponds to .44% possession or whatever, the unequal weighing of that value as compared to a fg doesn't accurately convey what points really mean on the court...9 points via one method can never be better than 10 points by another method by any measure whatsoever, and be called a reliable way to assess value or contribution...
This shouldn't happen though unless a player gets all his FT attempts from only one method - not over the course of a full season's data anyway. You haven't given any reason to think it would be the case with Gallo. And you definitely haven't given any reason to think the solution is to give zero weight to FTs (by looking at FG%). In an imperfect world where they don't record in the box score the scenario for each FT, the current TS% weighting is the best solution. Either that or you could separately compare two players' EFG% and FT%s. However, Gallo comes out ahead of Melo in both comparisons.This is only a small piece of the equation though. You've gotta look at win shares, on/off #s, player tracking data, and more. Or join the Nets and Lakers by ignoring all the metrics.
It's not a small piece of the equation because free throws are an important part of the game and stats..Gallo took 8 ft per this past year..90% shooter will certainly skew the value of the ts% significantly...Win shares have team wins as a skew...i look at different players in their rookie season some time ago and saw that team wins significantly affected win share values..So, I'm not sure how you put your trust in such means to assess individual players...
Metrics does have value, I do however think it's well overstated...
You've got it reversed. TS% is the best possible method to accurately account for the value of free throws. A stat that ignores free throws like FG% is skewed against players who get to the line. Yeah, win shares is definitely imperfect and just one part of the equation. The defensive win share stat is more flawed than offensive win shares. The tracking data are important too but there is no one perfect stat.My argument has always been why would you want to look at an offensive player stat as a singular statistical number..I doesn't tell you how and where he scores his points when building a team..If Gallo is skilled at getting to the free throw line then that is valuable information that needs to be broken down into its components...But that's just me, old school I guess...
But the thing is FG% is a singular stat that ignores FTs and gives equal weight to 2s and 3s. Based on what you're saying the most logical thing to do would be to look at the 2 point FG%, 3 point FG%, and FT% each separately for each player. The problem is that if you're a GM you have to have some way to get an overall judgment of the player. You have to figure out who you'd rather have on offense when you're comparing players even if one is better in one category and another is better in another category. So you could either used the statistically least flawed method to combine the numbers, or just look at all 3 categories separately and then go with your gut I guess.That's why you look at all components which is what I said in the previous post...You act like fg,ft,3pts etc are hidden and cant be accessed ..
I'm not sure if you read my post too quickly. Based on what you're saying, you should be rejecting FG% because it's a singular stat that combines two very different things (2 pointers and 3 pointers). And it combines them in a totally illogical way (where 2s equal 3s). It's not slightly off like TS% might in theory be in small samples. It's totally illogical. You should be looking at 2 point FG% and 3 point FG% separately if you object to singular stats, and I'd have no problem if someone wanted to do that.
That said, how are you going to compare two players when one is better in one category and another is better in another category? You have to either have the least flawed statistical way to combine the categories (TS%) or just go with your gut.
Or I'll put it another way. If another team's GM wants to trade his player for your player, you can't reach *one* judgment (yes or no to doing the trade) from *three* categories (2s, 3s, and FTs). You have to either statistically combine the categories or just go with your gut. Or even if you're trying to decide which of your two players at the same position is helping the team more on offense and should get more playing time, you have to have a way to combine all of the available offensive numbers.
There is value in also looking at all the numbers separately, especially if you want to work on improving weak areas for a player, though.I can never ever imagine a scenario where an GM won't look at a player twenty ways til sunday determine whether or not to trade for this player...What lazy GM would want to look at one stat...FG is not flawed..I look at FG and 3pt % in one breath and figure out 2 pt%..It's not that complicated, it one glance...
You got me in the weeds again..You are amazing....hahahahahahah...
How do you reach one judgment, then? (Like who is better Gallo or Melo)? You're either statistically combining the info or just going with your gut. If you're a GM, you eventually do have to reach one judgment.
If you're looking at 3 point % and 2 point %, that's fine but then there's no need to look at overall FG% (that's the totally illogical, lazy man's singular stat).
There is value in looking at all of these stats individually actually. In most years, Melo and Gallo are both very good at 3s and FTs and very poor at 2 point shooting. Since a lower proportion of Gallo's offense comes from his weak area (2s) than for Melo, he comes out ahead in measures of efficiency.
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Gallinari is a FA if he opts out so give him 20m+
Yeah, that's an issue. I find it ironic though that he's playing really well now but we gave him and other players and picks up just to get a guy we wish we could get rid of. Gallo at $20 mil a year would be less bad than most of Phil's signings but it still would be bad (only because of the health issues). But his contract right now is much more movable than Melo's if you don't want to keep either one.Gallo and Will Chan, the two best pieces going to Denver, each missed like 3 years of playing time out of 6 since the trade...Is this a joke or a Briggs spoof??? Are you channeling Briggs now after Gallo dropped 34 on a team on the second of last game of the year??? Do you realize it's his contract year and they feed players the ball to score during these times to help their negotiations???
Gallo shot like 41% from the field for about 5 years of his 7 year career...MDA said he was the greatest shooter he has ever seen...
Obviously we're going to disagree here and it looks like 60% of the Knicks fans who voted would prefer Gallo. But I'd rather have Gallo for 300 games and the picks we gave up than Melo for 400 games.
Half of Gallo's shots are 3s. Of course his FG% is going to be lower. His effective field goal percentage and TS% are both typically higher than Melo's. That said, having Gallo and the picks probably means better records and no KP or top 6 pick this year.I don't want to get lost in the weeds but it's not true and you don't know that half of his shots are three point shots...free throws aren't counted as field goals attempts and ts% awards free throws as a higher value than 2 point field goals for no apparent reason...NONE..
And better record based on your polls?? Certainly not facts or stats...
We're talking about FG%, right? That's the topic you raised. So almost half of Gallo's official shots (the shots that are counted for FG%) are 3s. I don't know what you mean about FT% weighting. Are you talking about the fact that it weighs each attempted free throw as 0.44 FGs? It has to do that since the average free throw corresponds to 0.44 possessions. There is no other logical weight you could possibly give it. And certainly giving free throws zero weight (and 3 pointers zero extra weight) by just looking at FG% is not more logical.
Regarding your last point, I've posted a lot of stats. If you have ones that contradict what I've said feel free to post. When I said having Gallo and the picks would likely lead to a better record than having Melo, I should have also mentioned the extra $10 mil a year in cap space. That would make it an even more clear cut comparison IMO. Then again, if you want a team full of guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Melo, and Rose, we're obviously going to disagree anyway.Well 41% of Gallo's "official" shots since he left the Knicks were three point fg%, not close to 50%...Regardless of what the free throw corresponds to .44% possession or whatever, the unequal weighing of that value as compared to a fg doesn't accurately convey what points really mean on the court...9 points via one method can never be better than 10 points by another method by any measure whatsoever, and be called a reliable way to assess value or contribution...
This shouldn't happen though unless a player gets all his FT attempts from only one method - not over the course of a full season's data anyway. You haven't given any reason to think it would be the case with Gallo. And you definitely haven't given any reason to think the solution is to give zero weight to FTs (by looking at FG%). In an imperfect world where they don't record in the box score the scenario for each FT, the current TS% weighting is the best solution. Either that or you could separately compare two players' EFG% and FT%s. However, Gallo comes out ahead of Melo in both comparisons.This is only a small piece of the equation though. You've gotta look at win shares, on/off #s, player tracking data, and more. Or join the Nets and Lakers by ignoring all the metrics.
It's not a small piece of the equation because free throws are an important part of the game and stats..Gallo took 8 ft per this past year..90% shooter will certainly skew the value of the ts% significantly...Win shares have team wins as a skew...i look at different players in their rookie season some time ago and saw that team wins significantly affected win share values..So, I'm not sure how you put your trust in such means to assess individual players...
Metrics does have value, I do however think it's well overstated...
You've got it reversed. TS% is the best possible method to accurately account for the value of free throws. A stat that ignores free throws like FG% is skewed against players who get to the line. Yeah, win shares is definitely imperfect and just one part of the equation. The defensive win share stat is more flawed than offensive win shares. The tracking data are important too but there is no one perfect stat.My argument has always been why would you want to look at an offensive player stat as a singular statistical number..I doesn't tell you how and where he scores his points when building a team..If Gallo is skilled at getting to the free throw line then that is valuable information that needs to be broken down into its components...But that's just me, old school I guess...
But the thing is FG% is a singular stat that ignores FTs and gives equal weight to 2s and 3s. Based on what you're saying the most logical thing to do would be to look at the 2 point FG%, 3 point FG%, and FT% each separately for each player. The problem is that if you're a GM you have to have some way to get an overall judgment of the player. You have to figure out who you'd rather have on offense when you're comparing players even if one is better in one category and another is better in another category. So you could either used the statistically least flawed method to combine the numbers, or just look at all 3 categories separately and then go with your gut I guess.That's why you look at all components which is what I said in the previous post...You act like fg,ft,3pts etc are hidden and cant be accessed ..
I'm not sure if you read my post too quickly. Based on what you're saying, you should be rejecting FG% because it's a singular stat that combines two very different things (2 pointers and 3 pointers). And it combines them in a totally illogical way (where 2s equal 3s). It's not slightly off like TS% might in theory be in small samples. It's totally illogical. You should be looking at 2 point FG% and 3 point FG% separately if you object to singular stats, and I'd have no problem if someone wanted to do that.
That said, how are you going to compare two players when one is better in one category and another is better in another category? You have to either have the least flawed statistical way to combine the categories (TS%) or just go with your gut.
Or I'll put it another way. If another team's GM wants to trade his player for your player, you can't reach *one* judgment (yes or no to doing the trade) from *three* categories (2s, 3s, and FTs). You have to either statistically combine the categories or just go with your gut. Or even if you're trying to decide which of your two players at the same position is helping the team more on offense and should get more playing time, you have to have a way to combine all of the available offensive numbers.
There is value in also looking at all the numbers separately, especially if you want to work on improving weak areas for a player, though.I can never ever imagine a scenario where an GM won't look at a player twenty ways til sunday determine whether or not to trade for this player...What lazy GM would want to look at one stat...FG is not flawed..I look at FG and 3pt % in one breath and figure out 2 pt%..It's not that complicated, it one glance...
You got me in the weeds again..You are amazing....hahahahahahah...How do you reach one judgment, then? (Like who is better Gallo or Melo)? You're either statistically combining the info or just going with your gut. If you're a GM, you eventually do have to reach one judgment.
If you're looking at 3 point % and 2 point %, that's fine but then there's no need to look at overall FG% (that's the totally illogical, lazy man's singular stat).
There is value in looking at all of these stats individually actually. In most years, Melo and Gallo are both very good at 3s and FTs and very poor at 2 point shooting. Since a lower proportion of Gallo's offense comes from his weak area (2s) than for Melo, he comes out ahead in measures of efficiency.
Well if you are a GM and you are asking who had the better career since the trade and you can't figure it out then this line of work isn't for you...