It's really amazing how some people here don't get that Phil and Dolan are straight up reviled around the league.
Right..Harvey Araton who hates Melo said earlier that all the Knick players hate Phil..But many here like to pretend it's just a Melo/Phil thing...And Melo is the only guy resistant to the triangle..I believe Melo was the spokeman during the infamous meeting where they told Phil they wanted to move away from the triangle..So Phil is probably lying in the presser saying the guys at the top(Melo) was resistant..But it was the entire team...Phil want to make an example of Melo I think...
Lying like that is how you lose KP's loyalty....
PLEASE! KP said he likes the Triangle and thinks the team should've focused on it from day one. THe Kids all seemed to love playing Team Ball in the Motion Offense. I just don't think the narrative you want to be true is supported by the facts.
“We’re starting to learn it now the way we should [and] we should have been playing from the beginning of the season,” Porzingis said “So we’re a little behind. But every game we’re getting a little better. Hopefully, I don’t know when, we can start using it properly and making some impact playing it.”
“I like the triangle,” Porzingis said. “My first season, the whole first season we played nothing but the triangle so I know it pretty well. I like the offense. It can only work if everybody believes in it and everybody executes it the right way.”
I admire your unwavering loyalty to Knicks management, but KP just skipped the exit interview. That's not a sign that he loves anything about playing here.
This is the toxic Melo influence on Porzingis. He's beginning to act like a prima donna [like melo].
Earlier in the season, Porzingis looked like he sprained an ankle in a game and the crowd reacted like all Knicks fans are conditioned to and gasped expecting the worst. Later, Porzingis could be seen on the bench joking about the fan reaction saying something to the effect of "Did you see them all holding their breath".
Nothing wrong with it per se but to me it signals a self-awareness of his own value to the team. If that's channeled into growing into a mature leader that will be great. but if it is channeled into becoming another self-centered, self-serving Melo character - trade him now. The Knicks need a Tim Duncan and not an ego-centric attention sink.
Porzingis has to be careful not to devolve into a NY train wreck by surrounding himself with a bad crowd. Whoever advised him to skip the exit interview is a bad crowd.
CrushAlot@ 4/14/2017 11:27 PM
fwk00 wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/853005181809811456
It's really amazing how some people here don't get that Phil and Dolan are straight up reviled around the league.
Right..Harvey Araton who hates Melo said earlier that all the Knick players hate Phil..But many here like to pretend it's just a Melo/Phil thing...And Melo is the only guy resistant to the triangle..I believe Melo was the spokeman during the infamous meeting where they told Phil they wanted to move away from the triangle..So Phil is probably lying in the presser saying the guys at the top(Melo) was resistant..But it was the entire team...Phil want to make an example of Melo I think...
Lying like that is how you lose KP's loyalty....
PLEASE! KP said he likes the Triangle and thinks the team should've focused on it from day one. THe Kids all seemed to love playing Team Ball in the Motion Offense. I just don't think the narrative you want to be true is supported by the facts.
“We’re starting to learn it now the way we should [and] we should have been playing from the beginning of the season,” Porzingis said “So we’re a little behind. But every game we’re getting a little better. Hopefully, I don’t know when, we can start using it properly and making some impact playing it.”
“I like the triangle,” Porzingis said. “My first season, the whole first season we played nothing but the triangle so I know it pretty well. I like the offense. It can only work if everybody believes in it and everybody executes it the right way.”
I admire your unwavering loyalty to Knicks management, but KP just skipped the exit interview. That's not a sign that he loves anything about playing here.
This is the toxic Melo influence on Porzingis. He's beginning to act like a prima donna [like melo].
Earlier in the season, Porzingis looked like he sprained an ankle in a game and the crowd reacted like all Knicks fans are conditioned to and gasped expecting the worst. Later, Porzingis could be seen on the bench joking about the fan reaction saying something to the effect of "Did you see them all holding their breath".
Nothing wrong with it per se but to me it signals a self-awareness of his own value to the team. If that's channeled into growing into a mature leader that will be great. but if it is channeled into becoming another self-centered, self-serving Melo character - trade him now. The Knicks need a Tim Duncan and not an ego-centric attention sink.
Porzingis has to be careful not to devolve into a NY train wreck by surrounding himself with a bad crowd. Whoever advised him to skip the exit interview is a bad crowd.
The bad crowd must have told him to make the top down comment as well. Do you see him as someone who isn't an independent thinker?
Zebo13@ 4/14/2017 11:29 PM
fwk00 wrote:
buddapaw wrote:Even with cap space, top tier stars will never come here. If Phil didn't like the packages he was offered before, wait until he sees the offers he will get next time. He has to sell low because the world knows he wants to get rid of Melo. That's why I am pissed about his antics because he is undercutting the value of Melo, which is fucking stupid. Sales 101. He put the Knicks in a even lower position of weakness in trading melo. I would lowball him all day. Jeff never ran the triangle, how the holy hell he is supposed to coach a system that he has no experience with? That's why they were a little better under Fisher
If you watched the press conference Phil talked about Red Holzman always saying, "It's not rocket science." It's about doing the right thing on the court. Movement, passing, taking the correct shot. When that stuff is formalized it becomes a system, call it what you want.
Hornacek, in his presser, said the Knicks didn't play defense and the team could use one or two who know how so that it becomes contagious. Is that hard to understand? Is there an excuse that Phil doesn't talk to the press that changes that?
But, but, but - MELO "WANTS TO WIN!!!!!!!"
I'm not a basketball coach but I think if you score more points and hold the opposition to fewer - you, well WIN. How does refusing to play for a coach and undermining what he's trying to accomplish qualify Melo to say, "I WANT TO WIN, THAT'S ALL."
It seems pretty obvious doesn't it? Others just don't get it eh?
nixluva@ 4/14/2017 11:31 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/853005181809811456
It's really amazing how some people here don't get that Phil and Dolan are straight up reviled around the league.
Right..Harvey Araton who hates Melo said earlier that all the Knick players hate Phil..But many here like to pretend it's just a Melo/Phil thing...And Melo is the only guy resistant to the triangle..I believe Melo was the spokeman during the infamous meeting where they told Phil they wanted to move away from the triangle..So Phil is probably lying in the presser saying the guys at the top(Melo) was resistant..But it was the entire team...Phil want to make an example of Melo I think...
Lying like that is how you lose KP's loyalty....
PLEASE! KP said he likes the Triangle and thinks the team should've focused on it from day one. THe Kids all seemed to love playing Team Ball in the Motion Offense. I just don't think the narrative you want to be true is supported by the facts.
“We’re starting to learn it now the way we should [and] we should have been playing from the beginning of the season,” Porzingis said “So we’re a little behind. But every game we’re getting a little better. Hopefully, I don’t know when, we can start using it properly and making some impact playing it.”
“I like the triangle,” Porzingis said. “My first season, the whole first season we played nothing but the triangle so I know it pretty well. I like the offense. It can only work if everybody believes in it and everybody executes it the right way.”
I admire your unwavering loyalty to Knicks management, but KP just skipped the exit interview. That's not a sign that he loves anything about playing here.
This is the toxic Melo influence on Porzingis. He's beginning to act like a prima donna [like melo].
Earlier in the season, Porzingis looked like he sprained an ankle in a game and the crowd reacted like all Knicks fans are conditioned to and gasped expecting the worst. Later, Porzingis could be seen on the bench joking about the fan reaction saying something to the effect of "Did you see them all holding their breath".
Nothing wrong with it per se but to me it signals a self-awareness of his own value to the team. If that's channeled into growing into a mature leader that will be great. but if it is channeled into becoming another self-centered, self-serving Melo character - trade him now. The Knicks need a Tim Duncan and not an ego-centric attention sink.
Porzingis has to be careful not to devolve into a NY train wreck by surrounding himself with a bad crowd. Whoever advised him to skip the exit interview is a bad crowd.
The bad crowd must have told him to make the top down comment as well. Do you see him as someone who isn't an independent thinker?
Players talk all the time and he may be influenced by Melo's thinking on things. This isn't far fetched at all. Melo is an idol for KP and who knows what Melo has been saying to KP all year. I doubt it's positive and constructive stuff about Phil.
fwk00@ 4/14/2017 11:44 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/853005181809811456
It's really amazing how some people here don't get that Phil and Dolan are straight up reviled around the league.
Right..Harvey Araton who hates Melo said earlier that all the Knick players hate Phil..But many here like to pretend it's just a Melo/Phil thing...And Melo is the only guy resistant to the triangle..I believe Melo was the spokeman during the infamous meeting where they told Phil they wanted to move away from the triangle..So Phil is probably lying in the presser saying the guys at the top(Melo) was resistant..But it was the entire team...Phil want to make an example of Melo I think...
Lying like that is how you lose KP's loyalty....
PLEASE! KP said he likes the Triangle and thinks the team should've focused on it from day one. THe Kids all seemed to love playing Team Ball in the Motion Offense. I just don't think the narrative you want to be true is supported by the facts.
“We’re starting to learn it now the way we should [and] we should have been playing from the beginning of the season,” Porzingis said “So we’re a little behind. But every game we’re getting a little better. Hopefully, I don’t know when, we can start using it properly and making some impact playing it.”
“I like the triangle,” Porzingis said. “My first season, the whole first season we played nothing but the triangle so I know it pretty well. I like the offense. It can only work if everybody believes in it and everybody executes it the right way.”
I admire your unwavering loyalty to Knicks management, but KP just skipped the exit interview. That's not a sign that he loves anything about playing here.
This is the toxic Melo influence on Porzingis. He's beginning to act like a prima donna [like melo].
Earlier in the season, Porzingis looked like he sprained an ankle in a game and the crowd reacted like all Knicks fans are conditioned to and gasped expecting the worst. Later, Porzingis could be seen on the bench joking about the fan reaction saying something to the effect of "Did you see them all holding their breath".
Nothing wrong with it per se but to me it signals a self-awareness of his own value to the team. If that's channeled into growing into a mature leader that will be great. but if it is channeled into becoming another self-centered, self-serving Melo character - trade him now. The Knicks need a Tim Duncan and not an ego-centric attention sink.
Porzingis has to be careful not to devolve into a NY train wreck by surrounding himself with a bad crowd. Whoever advised him to skip the exit interview is a bad crowd.
The bad crowd must have told him to make the top down comment as well. Do you see him as someone who isn't an independent thinker?
Players talk all the time and he may be influenced by Melo's thinking on things. This isn't far fetched at all. Melo is an idol for KP and who knows what Melo has been saying to KP all year. I doubt it's positive and constructive stuff about Phil.
This is a real concern. Porzingis follows Melo around like a puppy dog and seems to mimic the pseudo-street behavior he sees. This is the usual juvenile stuff but Porzingis has become psychologically dependent on melo in a disturbing way.
A summer with Dirk would be a very good thing.
wargames@ 4/14/2017 11:47 PM
fwk00 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/853005181809811456
It's really amazing how some people here don't get that Phil and Dolan are straight up reviled around the league.
Right..Harvey Araton who hates Melo said earlier that all the Knick players hate Phil..But many here like to pretend it's just a Melo/Phil thing...And Melo is the only guy resistant to the triangle..I believe Melo was the spokeman during the infamous meeting where they told Phil they wanted to move away from the triangle..So Phil is probably lying in the presser saying the guys at the top(Melo) was resistant..But it was the entire team...Phil want to make an example of Melo I think...
Lying like that is how you lose KP's loyalty....
PLEASE! KP said he likes the Triangle and thinks the team should've focused on it from day one. THe Kids all seemed to love playing Team Ball in the Motion Offense. I just don't think the narrative you want to be true is supported by the facts.
“We’re starting to learn it now the way we should [and] we should have been playing from the beginning of the season,” Porzingis said “So we’re a little behind. But every game we’re getting a little better. Hopefully, I don’t know when, we can start using it properly and making some impact playing it.”
“I like the triangle,” Porzingis said. “My first season, the whole first season we played nothing but the triangle so I know it pretty well. I like the offense. It can only work if everybody believes in it and everybody executes it the right way.”
I admire your unwavering loyalty to Knicks management, but KP just skipped the exit interview. That's not a sign that he loves anything about playing here.
This is the toxic Melo influence on Porzingis. He's beginning to act like a prima donna [like melo].
Earlier in the season, Porzingis looked like he sprained an ankle in a game and the crowd reacted like all Knicks fans are conditioned to and gasped expecting the worst. Later, Porzingis could be seen on the bench joking about the fan reaction saying something to the effect of "Did you see them all holding their breath".
Nothing wrong with it per se but to me it signals a self-awareness of his own value to the team. If that's channeled into growing into a mature leader that will be great. but if it is channeled into becoming another self-centered, self-serving Melo character - trade him now. The Knicks need a Tim Duncan and not an ego-centric attention sink.
Porzingis has to be careful not to devolve into a NY train wreck by surrounding himself with a bad crowd. Whoever advised him to skip the exit interview is a bad crowd.
The bad crowd must have told him to make the top down comment as well. Do you see him as someone who isn't an independent thinker?
Players talk all the time and he may be influenced by Melo's thinking on things. This isn't far fetched at all. Melo is an idol for KP and who knows what Melo has been saying to KP all year. I doubt it's positive and constructive stuff about Phil.
This is a real concern. Porzingis follows Melo around like a puppy dog and seems to mimic the pseudo-street behavior he sees. This is the usual juvenile stuff but Porzingis has become psychologically dependent on melo in a disturbing way.
It is tough to realize for many fans that we should get behind the team which is just starting the rebuilding process. After many years of going nowhere, dreadful drama, and endless losing Knicks fans think they deserve better. And this is fair thinking. But life is not fair, in fact life is a bitch. It is very convenient to place the blame on the messenger who happens to be Phil. This is the main thing he was paid for - to have moral authority and guts to step up and make a point that this team sucks. And that it is time to start from the ground up and for once do it right. So if you want continue to be a fans of Knicks team it is time to get used to new reality, reality of rebuilding, players development, many new young faces and groving pains. Otherwise it is time to start looking for new team together with Melo. And it is nothing wrong with it.
dwiley20@ 4/15/2017 3:15 AM
Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him
wargames@ 4/15/2017 3:19 AM
arkrud wrote:It is tough to realize for many fans that we should get behind the team which is just starting the rebuilding process. After many years of going nowhere, dreadful drama, and endless losing Knicks fans think they deserve better. And this is fair thinking. But life is not fair, in fact life is a bitch. It is very convenient to place the blame on the messenger who happens to be Phil. This is the main thing he was paid for - to have moral authority and guts to step up and make a point that this team sucks. And that it is time to start from the ground up and for once do it right. So if you want continue to be a fans of Knicks team it is time to get used to new reality, reality of rebuilding, players development, many new young faces and groving pains. Otherwise it is time to start looking for new team together with Melo. And it is nothing wrong with it.
I agree with this. ALao he doesn't need to trade Melo but it would make the rebuild easier. It's about time
smackeddog@ 4/15/2017 3:39 AM
dwiley20 wrote:Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him
Exactly- I don't get what those blasting Phil disagree with
Melo holds the ball Melo has aged We haven't won with Melo We can't build a winner in melo's time frame Melo needs to be traded We want team ball We want players who are skilled and play defense all game We want unselfish players who play a team game We need to rebuild
How is he wrong? Didn't like his comments on Rose at all, but the general thrust of what he was saying is what we've all been saying.
smackeddog@ 4/15/2017 3:45 AM
Loved Phil's response to media asking why he criticized Melo- said he didn't criticizes him, he said melo holding the ball- thats not a criticism, thats a FACT, and (this is the bit the media hasn't tweeted, "The person better be able to take that if they're going to be coached, or else they can't be part of this organization... if you're a basketball player, you've got to be able to be coached"
+100000000000000000000000000000000000
smackeddog@ 4/15/2017 3:58 AM
holfresh wrote:
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I think thats particularly directed at the BS Phil was saying about how he immediately approached Melo after all that heat about the Ding article, and that things were very cordial between them and that he never criticized him
callmened@ 4/15/2017 9:32 AM
these are basically my thoughts exactly
Uptown@ 4/15/2017 10:38 AM
callmened wrote:these are basically my thoughts exactly
I know its a a lot of pages on this thread...but I posted this on page 8, I believe...
callmened@ 4/15/2017 10:40 AM
Uptown wrote: I know its a a lot of pages on this thread...but I posted this on page 8, I believe...
oh geez sorry man!
Uptown@ 4/15/2017 10:42 AM
callmened wrote:
Uptown wrote: I know its a a lot of pages on this thread...but I posted this on page 8, I believe...
oh geez sorry man!
No problem...Francesa's comments reflect my own and have for some time...
Bonn1997@ 4/15/2017 10:43 AM
smackeddog wrote:
dwiley20 wrote:Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him
Exactly- I don't get what those blasting Phil disagree with
Melo holds the ball Melo has aged We haven't won with Melo We can't build a winner in melo's time frame Melo needs to be traded We want team ball We want players who are skilled and play defense all game We want unselfish players who play a team game We need to rebuild
How is he wrong? Didn't like his comments on Rose at all, but the general thrust of what he was saying is what we've all been saying.
Phil should really sit down and have a talk with the guy who gave Melo the largest contract in the league at the time and threw in the trade kicker and NTC.
CrushAlot@ 4/15/2017 10:48 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
dwiley20 wrote:Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him
Exactly- I don't get what those blasting Phil disagree with
Melo holds the ball Melo has aged We haven't won with Melo We can't build a winner in melo's time frame Melo needs to be traded We want team ball We want players who are skilled and play defense all game We want unselfish players who play a team game We need to rebuild
How is he wrong? Didn't like his comments on Rose at all, but the general thrust of what he was saying is what we've all been saying.
Phil should really sit down and have a talk with the guy who gave Melo the largest contract in the league at the time and threw in the trade kicker and NTC.
yellowboy90@ 4/15/2017 10:49 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
dwiley20 wrote:Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him
Exactly- I don't get what those blasting Phil disagree with
Melo holds the ball Melo has aged We haven't won with Melo We can't build a winner in melo's time frame Melo needs to be traded We want team ball We want players who are skilled and play defense all game We want unselfish players who play a team game We need to rebuild
How is he wrong? Didn't like his comments on Rose at all, but the general thrust of what he was saying is what we've all been saying.
Phil should really sit down and have a talk with the guy who gave Melo the largest contract in the league at the time and threw in the trade kicker and NTC.
I recently heard that that guy had a talk with Melo to reassure him that he went be dumped anywhere and that they would work together to find a contending team to help better his career. Now that's a good G.M. Who wouldn't want a guy like that to talk to a player who he gave a ntc like he doesn't have a ntc.
nixluva@ 4/15/2017 10:53 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
dwiley20 wrote:Thank you Phil for keeping in real " we can't win with Carmelo". Finally let's move on from him
Exactly- I don't get what those blasting Phil disagree with
Melo holds the ball Melo has aged We haven't won with Melo We can't build a winner in melo's time frame Melo needs to be traded We want team ball We want players who are skilled and play defense all game We want unselfish players who play a team game We need to rebuild
How is he wrong? Didn't like his comments on Rose at all, but the general thrust of what he was saying is what we've all been saying.
Phil should really sit down and have a talk with the guy who gave Melo the largest contract in the league at the time and threw in the trade kicker and NTC.
How about Melo actually stepping up and being a leader commensurate with the kind of money he's making. There's a certain responsibility a player should have when he reaches a certain level and that includes helping to bring his team to a higher level and supporting the head coach. If Melo is insubordinate then the rest of the team will feel it's ok to do the same!!!
IMO Melo was not a positive influence this season and it appears he didn't make things easier for the team to come together or support his coach. We don't need that and Phil is right to want him gone!!!
