Knicks · Is Internal Continuity (patience)Our Worst Enemy? (page 6)
misterearl wrote:The March For Science Is RealCrushAlot wrote:You have to click the link to see the charts.How does roster continuity affect win percentage?An analysis of the correlation between roster noise and win percentage over NBA seasons for active franchises.
In the below charts, we show a team's win percentage and 'roster noise' (the amount of fluctuation in the team's roster) for every NBA regular season. Roster noise is represented by the amplitude of the curve at a certain data point. For example, the amplitude of the curve for 1987-88 season for the Atlanta Hawks is miniscule since they hardly changed their roster from the previous season. Roster noise is calculated as 100% minus continuity, where continuity is the % of a team's regular season minutes that were filled by players from the previous season's roster.
Roster continuity raw data can be found at Basketball Reference
https://vishaalagartha.github.io/roster-...Nice catch CrushALot.
Teams that achieve a chemistry/talent balance stay together and attract key players. Teams searching for that chemistry/talent balance need to keep trying. Are you claiming teams with mediocre talent will win if they just stick together? This kind of stuff is statistical BullSh@t. The arithmetic of absurdity.
fwk00 wrote:misterearl wrote:The March For Science Is RealCrushAlot wrote:You have to click the link to see the charts.How does roster continuity affect win percentage?An analysis of the correlation between roster noise and win percentage over NBA seasons for active franchises.
In the below charts, we show a team's win percentage and 'roster noise' (the amount of fluctuation in the team's roster) for every NBA regular season. Roster noise is represented by the amplitude of the curve at a certain data point. For example, the amplitude of the curve for 1987-88 season for the Atlanta Hawks is miniscule since they hardly changed their roster from the previous season. Roster noise is calculated as 100% minus continuity, where continuity is the % of a team's regular season minutes that were filled by players from the previous season's roster.
Roster continuity raw data can be found at Basketball Reference
https://vishaalagartha.github.io/roster-...Nice catch CrushALot.
Teams that achieve a chemistry/talent balance stay together and attract key players. Teams searching for that chemistry/talent balance need to keep trying. Are you claiming teams with mediocre talent will win if they just stick together? This kind of stuff is statistical BullSh@t. The arithmetic of absurdity.
When you discredit Reality, that's call living in Denial. Do you realize that every yr phil has been here, we are playing for next yr by january. So every 3 months we go in a different direction.
knicks1248 wrote:fwk00 wrote:misterearl wrote:The March For Science Is RealCrushAlot wrote:You have to click the link to see the charts.How does roster continuity affect win percentage?An analysis of the correlation between roster noise and win percentage over NBA seasons for active franchises.
In the below charts, we show a team's win percentage and 'roster noise' (the amount of fluctuation in the team's roster) for every NBA regular season. Roster noise is represented by the amplitude of the curve at a certain data point. For example, the amplitude of the curve for 1987-88 season for the Atlanta Hawks is miniscule since they hardly changed their roster from the previous season. Roster noise is calculated as 100% minus continuity, where continuity is the % of a team's regular season minutes that were filled by players from the previous season's roster.
Roster continuity raw data can be found at Basketball Reference
https://vishaalagartha.github.io/roster-...Nice catch CrushALot.
Teams that achieve a chemistry/talent balance stay together and attract key players. Teams searching for that chemistry/talent balance need to keep trying. Are you claiming teams with mediocre talent will win if they just stick together? This kind of stuff is statistical BullSh@t. The arithmetic of absurdity.
When you discredit Reality, that's call living in Denial. Do you realize that every yr phil has been here, we are playing for next yr by january. So every 3 months we go in a different direction.
No. The direction has been to surround Melo with the talent he needed to win until it became obvious that the year was a lost cause. Cutting bait [melo] is Phil's first course correction - one that honored his promise to melo until it is obvious to everyone in the world that melo will NEVER, EVER win here unless Phil can sign 4 Hall of Fame candidates to play along side him. Even then there's a chance they all get hurt and melo is left to his own devices.
fwk00 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fwk00 wrote:misterearl wrote:The March For Science Is RealCrushAlot wrote:You have to click the link to see the charts.How does roster continuity affect win percentage?An analysis of the correlation between roster noise and win percentage over NBA seasons for active franchises.
In the below charts, we show a team's win percentage and 'roster noise' (the amount of fluctuation in the team's roster) for every NBA regular season. Roster noise is represented by the amplitude of the curve at a certain data point. For example, the amplitude of the curve for 1987-88 season for the Atlanta Hawks is miniscule since they hardly changed their roster from the previous season. Roster noise is calculated as 100% minus continuity, where continuity is the % of a team's regular season minutes that were filled by players from the previous season's roster.
Roster continuity raw data can be found at Basketball Reference
https://vishaalagartha.github.io/roster-...Nice catch CrushALot.
Teams that achieve a chemistry/talent balance stay together and attract key players. Teams searching for that chemistry/talent balance need to keep trying. Are you claiming teams with mediocre talent will win if they just stick together? This kind of stuff is statistical BullSh@t. The arithmetic of absurdity.
When you discredit Reality, that's call living in Denial. Do you realize that every yr phil has been here, we are playing for next yr by january. So every 3 months we go in a different direction.
No. The direction has been to surround Melo with the talent he needed to win until it became obvious that the year was a lost cause. Cutting bait [melo] is Phil's first course correction - one that honored his promise to melo until it is obvious to everyone in the world that melo will NEVER, EVER win here unless Phil can sign 4 Hall of Fame candidates to play along side him. Even then there's a chance they all get hurt and melo is left to his own devices.
How about just signing two guys that could start on a border line playoff team. That would have been a nice start.
CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fwk00 wrote:misterearl wrote:The March For Science Is RealCrushAlot wrote:You have to click the link to see the charts.How does roster continuity affect win percentage?An analysis of the correlation between roster noise and win percentage over NBA seasons for active franchises.
In the below charts, we show a team's win percentage and 'roster noise' (the amount of fluctuation in the team's roster) for every NBA regular season. Roster noise is represented by the amplitude of the curve at a certain data point. For example, the amplitude of the curve for 1987-88 season for the Atlanta Hawks is miniscule since they hardly changed their roster from the previous season. Roster noise is calculated as 100% minus continuity, where continuity is the % of a team's regular season minutes that were filled by players from the previous season's roster.
Roster continuity raw data can be found at Basketball Reference
https://vishaalagartha.github.io/roster-...Nice catch CrushALot.
Teams that achieve a chemistry/talent balance stay together and attract key players. Teams searching for that chemistry/talent balance need to keep trying. Are you claiming teams with mediocre talent will win if they just stick together? This kind of stuff is statistical BullSh@t. The arithmetic of absurdity.
When you discredit Reality, that's call living in Denial. Do you realize that every yr phil has been here, we are playing for next yr by january. So every 3 months we go in a different direction.
No. The direction has been to surround Melo with the talent he needed to win until it became obvious that the year was a lost cause. Cutting bait [melo] is Phil's first course correction - one that honored his promise to melo until it is obvious to everyone in the world that melo will NEVER, EVER win here unless Phil can sign 4 Hall of Fame candidates to play along side him. Even then there's a chance they all get hurt and melo is left to his own devices.
How about just signing two guys that could start on a border line playoff team. That would have been a nice start.
Who did he signed to help melo, Noah, dwill, AA, ndour, baker, early, randle, those dudes can barely crack a rotation, don't make laugh.
You act like he signed CJ, or Drummond, maybe kemba or hayward, in other words another ALL STAR, not some broken down 2nd tier player that can't even make it out of training camp healthy, and the other half of the roster are D leaguers
knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fwk00 wrote:misterearl wrote:The March For Science Is RealCrushAlot wrote:You have to click the link to see the charts.How does roster continuity affect win percentage?An analysis of the correlation between roster noise and win percentage over NBA seasons for active franchises.
In the below charts, we show a team's win percentage and 'roster noise' (the amount of fluctuation in the team's roster) for every NBA regular season. Roster noise is represented by the amplitude of the curve at a certain data point. For example, the amplitude of the curve for 1987-88 season for the Atlanta Hawks is miniscule since they hardly changed their roster from the previous season. Roster noise is calculated as 100% minus continuity, where continuity is the % of a team's regular season minutes that were filled by players from the previous season's roster.
Roster continuity raw data can be found at Basketball Reference
https://vishaalagartha.github.io/roster-...Nice catch CrushALot.
Teams that achieve a chemistry/talent balance stay together and attract key players. Teams searching for that chemistry/talent balance need to keep trying. Are you claiming teams with mediocre talent will win if they just stick together? This kind of stuff is statistical BullSh@t. The arithmetic of absurdity.
When you discredit Reality, that's call living in Denial. Do you realize that every yr phil has been here, we are playing for next yr by january. So every 3 months we go in a different direction.
No. The direction has been to surround Melo with the talent he needed to win until it became obvious that the year was a lost cause. Cutting bait [melo] is Phil's first course correction - one that honored his promise to melo until it is obvious to everyone in the world that melo will NEVER, EVER win here unless Phil can sign 4 Hall of Fame candidates to play along side him. Even then there's a chance they all get hurt and melo is left to his own devices.
How about just signing two guys that could start on a border line playoff team. That would have been a nice start.Who did he signed to help melo, Noah, dwill, AA, ndour, baker, early, randle, those dudes can barely crack a rotation, don't make laugh.
You act like he signed CJ, or Drummond, maybe kemba or hayward, in other words another ALL STAR, not some broken down 2nd tier player that can't even make it out of training camp healthy, and the other half of the roster are D leaguers
Hey, he signed and traded for who he could. You all keep acting like he had a lot of assets to deal. What he did do is keep his cool and not deal away draft picks like everyone before him. And thankfully so, maybe those draft picks would have netted a starter or two but given what we now know about Melo, we would not even have a paddle to win with this year.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that Phil is bull-headed about a competitive rebuild. There was plenty of talent on the court this year to have a winning record - don't lay that nonsense at Phil's shoes.
fwk00 wrote:Getting who he could in free agency and in trades has not been his strong suit. He certainly didn't set up a roster that could win with each of his resets. But for two out of his first three roster constructions the Knicks have benefited from his accidentally tanking.knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fwk00 wrote:misterearl wrote:The March For Science Is RealCrushAlot wrote:You have to click the link to see the charts.How does roster continuity affect win percentage?An analysis of the correlation between roster noise and win percentage over NBA seasons for active franchises.
In the below charts, we show a team's win percentage and 'roster noise' (the amount of fluctuation in the team's roster) for every NBA regular season. Roster noise is represented by the amplitude of the curve at a certain data point. For example, the amplitude of the curve for 1987-88 season for the Atlanta Hawks is miniscule since they hardly changed their roster from the previous season. Roster noise is calculated as 100% minus continuity, where continuity is the % of a team's regular season minutes that were filled by players from the previous season's roster.
Roster continuity raw data can be found at Basketball Reference
https://vishaalagartha.github.io/roster-...Nice catch CrushALot.
Teams that achieve a chemistry/talent balance stay together and attract key players. Teams searching for that chemistry/talent balance need to keep trying. Are you claiming teams with mediocre talent will win if they just stick together? This kind of stuff is statistical BullSh@t. The arithmetic of absurdity.
When you discredit Reality, that's call living in Denial. Do you realize that every yr phil has been here, we are playing for next yr by january. So every 3 months we go in a different direction.
No. The direction has been to surround Melo with the talent he needed to win until it became obvious that the year was a lost cause. Cutting bait [melo] is Phil's first course correction - one that honored his promise to melo until it is obvious to everyone in the world that melo will NEVER, EVER win here unless Phil can sign 4 Hall of Fame candidates to play along side him. Even then there's a chance they all get hurt and melo is left to his own devices.
How about just signing two guys that could start on a border line playoff team. That would have been a nice start.Who did he signed to help melo, Noah, dwill, AA, ndour, baker, early, randle, those dudes can barely crack a rotation, don't make laugh.
You act like he signed CJ, or Drummond, maybe kemba or hayward, in other words another ALL STAR, not some broken down 2nd tier player that can't even make it out of training camp healthy, and the other half of the roster are D leaguers
Hey, he signed and traded for who he could. You all keep acting like he had a lot of assets to deal. What he did do is keep his cool and not deal away draft picks like everyone before him. And thankfully so, maybe those draft picks would have netted a starter or two but given what we now know about Melo, we would not even have a paddle to win with this year.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that Phil is bull-headed about a competitive rebuild. There was plenty of talent on the court this year to have a winning record - don't lay that nonsense at Phil's shoes.
fwk00 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fwk00 wrote:misterearl wrote:The March For Science Is RealCrushAlot wrote:You have to click the link to see the charts.How does roster continuity affect win percentage?An analysis of the correlation between roster noise and win percentage over NBA seasons for active franchises.
In the below charts, we show a team's win percentage and 'roster noise' (the amount of fluctuation in the team's roster) for every NBA regular season. Roster noise is represented by the amplitude of the curve at a certain data point. For example, the amplitude of the curve for 1987-88 season for the Atlanta Hawks is miniscule since they hardly changed their roster from the previous season. Roster noise is calculated as 100% minus continuity, where continuity is the % of a team's regular season minutes that were filled by players from the previous season's roster.
Roster continuity raw data can be found at Basketball Reference
https://vishaalagartha.github.io/roster-...Nice catch CrushALot.
Teams that achieve a chemistry/talent balance stay together and attract key players. Teams searching for that chemistry/talent balance need to keep trying. Are you claiming teams with mediocre talent will win if they just stick together? This kind of stuff is statistical BullSh@t. The arithmetic of absurdity.
When you discredit Reality, that's call living in Denial. Do you realize that every yr phil has been here, we are playing for next yr by january. So every 3 months we go in a different direction.
No. The direction has been to surround Melo with the talent he needed to win until it became obvious that the year was a lost cause. Cutting bait [melo] is Phil's first course correction - one that honored his promise to melo until it is obvious to everyone in the world that melo will NEVER, EVER win here unless Phil can sign 4 Hall of Fame candidates to play along side him. Even then there's a chance they all get hurt and melo is left to his own devices.
How about just signing two guys that could start on a border line playoff team. That would have been a nice start.Who did he signed to help melo, Noah, dwill, AA, ndour, baker, early, randle, those dudes can barely crack a rotation, don't make laugh.
You act like he signed CJ, or Drummond, maybe kemba or hayward, in other words another ALL STAR, not some broken down 2nd tier player that can't even make it out of training camp healthy, and the other half of the roster are D leaguers
Hey, he signed and traded for who he could. You all keep acting like he had a lot of assets to deal. What he did do is keep his cool and not deal away draft picks like everyone before him. And thankfully so, maybe those draft picks would have netted a starter or two but given what we now know about Melo, we would not even have a paddle to win with this year.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that Phil is bull-headed about a competitive rebuild. There was plenty of talent on the court this year to have a winning record - don't lay that nonsense at Phil's shoes.
There has been some decent talent on the roster the last 2 yrs(obviously they are all in the playoffs on new teams) but talent with no direction is like a blind man driving a nice car.
The World Champion Cavs have four former Knicks on their roster.
Think about that.
Especially in the East the Knicks should of made the playoffs
fwk00 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fwk00 wrote:misterearl wrote:The March For Science Is RealCrushAlot wrote:You have to click the link to see the charts.How does roster continuity affect win percentage?An analysis of the correlation between roster noise and win percentage over NBA seasons for active franchises.
In the below charts, we show a team's win percentage and 'roster noise' (the amount of fluctuation in the team's roster) for every NBA regular season. Roster noise is represented by the amplitude of the curve at a certain data point. For example, the amplitude of the curve for 1987-88 season for the Atlanta Hawks is miniscule since they hardly changed their roster from the previous season. Roster noise is calculated as 100% minus continuity, where continuity is the % of a team's regular season minutes that were filled by players from the previous season's roster.
Roster continuity raw data can be found at Basketball Reference
https://vishaalagartha.github.io/roster-...Nice catch CrushALot.
Teams that achieve a chemistry/talent balance stay together and attract key players. Teams searching for that chemistry/talent balance need to keep trying. Are you claiming teams with mediocre talent will win if they just stick together? This kind of stuff is statistical BullSh@t. The arithmetic of absurdity.
When you discredit Reality, that's call living in Denial. Do you realize that every yr phil has been here, we are playing for next yr by january. So every 3 months we go in a different direction.
No. The direction has been to surround Melo with the talent he needed to win until it became obvious that the year was a lost cause. Cutting bait [melo] is Phil's first course correction - one that honored his promise to melo until it is obvious to everyone in the world that melo will NEVER, EVER win here unless Phil can sign 4 Hall of Fame candidates to play along side him. Even then there's a chance they all get hurt and melo is left to his own devices.
How about just signing two guys that could start on a border line playoff team. That would have been a nice start.Who did he signed to help melo, Noah, dwill, AA, ndour, baker, early, randle, those dudes can barely crack a rotation, don't make laugh.
You act like he signed CJ, or Drummond, maybe kemba or hayward, in other words another ALL STAR, not some broken down 2nd tier player that can't even make it out of training camp healthy, and the other half of the roster are D leaguers
Hey, he signed and traded for who he could. You all keep acting like he had a lot of assets to deal. What he did do is keep his cool and not deal away draft picks like everyone before him. And thankfully so, maybe those draft picks would have netted a starter or two but given what we now know about Melo, we would not even have a paddle to win with this year.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that Phil is bull-headed about a competitive rebuild. There was plenty of talent on the court this year to have a winning record - don't lay that nonsense at Phil's shoes.
misterearl wrote:Nene was a Knicks draft pick.The World Champion Cavs have four former Knicks on their roster.
Think about that.
Jmpasq wrote:
Especially in the East the Knicks should of made the playoffsfwk00 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:fwk00 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fwk00 wrote:misterearl wrote:The March For Science Is RealCrushAlot wrote:You have to click the link to see the charts.How does roster continuity affect win percentage?An analysis of the correlation between roster noise and win percentage over NBA seasons for active franchises.
In the below charts, we show a team's win percentage and 'roster noise' (the amount of fluctuation in the team's roster) for every NBA regular season. Roster noise is represented by the amplitude of the curve at a certain data point. For example, the amplitude of the curve for 1987-88 season for the Atlanta Hawks is miniscule since they hardly changed their roster from the previous season. Roster noise is calculated as 100% minus continuity, where continuity is the % of a team's regular season minutes that were filled by players from the previous season's roster.
Roster continuity raw data can be found at Basketball Reference
https://vishaalagartha.github.io/roster-...Nice catch CrushALot.
Teams that achieve a chemistry/talent balance stay together and attract key players. Teams searching for that chemistry/talent balance need to keep trying. Are you claiming teams with mediocre talent will win if they just stick together? This kind of stuff is statistical BullSh@t. The arithmetic of absurdity.
When you discredit Reality, that's call living in Denial. Do you realize that every yr phil has been here, we are playing for next yr by january. So every 3 months we go in a different direction.
No. The direction has been to surround Melo with the talent he needed to win until it became obvious that the year was a lost cause. Cutting bait [melo] is Phil's first course correction - one that honored his promise to melo until it is obvious to everyone in the world that melo will NEVER, EVER win here unless Phil can sign 4 Hall of Fame candidates to play along side him. Even then there's a chance they all get hurt and melo is left to his own devices.
How about just signing two guys that could start on a border line playoff team. That would have been a nice start.Who did he signed to help melo, Noah, dwill, AA, ndour, baker, early, randle, those dudes can barely crack a rotation, don't make laugh.
You act like he signed CJ, or Drummond, maybe kemba or hayward, in other words another ALL STAR, not some broken down 2nd tier player that can't even make it out of training camp healthy, and the other half of the roster are D leaguers
Hey, he signed and traded for who he could. You all keep acting like he had a lot of assets to deal. What he did do is keep his cool and not deal away draft picks like everyone before him. And thankfully so, maybe those draft picks would have netted a starter or two but given what we now know about Melo, we would not even have a paddle to win with this year.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that Phil is bull-headed about a competitive rebuild. There was plenty of talent on the court this year to have a winning record - don't lay that nonsense at Phil's shoes.
Not if the system matters, more than winning
misterearl wrote:Everyone Wants To Be A Winner, But Everyone Is NOT a Winnernixluva wrote:New core?Dolan always wants a show but Phil does want to build a winner. Phil is wired that way. He trashed the team and started over to try to establish a team that can win long term. It may seem counterintuitive but it's been necessary.
A new core has to be established and Phil has the BEST chance to accomplish that from here on. There's no guarantee of success because luck plays a part in this with the Draft. Still it's the closest we've been to actually having a young up and coming team that can one day become a contender.
Phil has done nothing but made the treadmill acceptable with his equity earned elsewhere. Being young is no guarantee of anything. Want proof? Travel a hundred miles down 95 to Philadelphia to visit the ETERNALLY young Sixers.
At some point, great expectations must be critiqued with an unflinching eye. Fandom has its limits.
While a large slice of the league (playoff teams) develops talent with a purpose, by comparison - losing 51 games is a danger signal.
Am I the only one here a little shocked by Misterearl's new tone? Gone is the homer, pie-in-the-sky, staunch Defender of the Knicks Iniverse. Paging the real misterearl! Please pick up the nearest courtesy phone!
J/k, I'm glad to see you bleed like the rest of us and you're not just some Russian bot hired by Dolan. (hand extended)
One Pollyanna to go... Is it possible that nix ever comes to the dark (realist) side?
Panos wrote:misterearl wrote:Everyone Wants To Be A Winner, But Everyone Is NOT a Winnernixluva wrote:New core?
Dolan always wants a show but Phil does want to build a winner. Phil is wired that way. He trashed the team and started over to try to establish a team that can win long term. It may seem counterintuitive but it's been necessary.A new core has to be established and Phil has the BEST chance to accomplish that from here on. There's no guarantee of success because luck plays a part in this with the Draft. Still it's the closest we've been to actually having a young up and coming team that can one day become a contender.
Phil has done nothing but made the treadmill acceptable with his equity earned elsewhere. Being young is no guarantee of anything. Want proof? Travel a hundred miles down 95 to Philadelphia to visit the ETERNALLY young Sixers.
At some point, great expectations must be critiqued with an unflinching eye. Fandom has its limits.
While a large slice of the league (playoff teams) develops talent with a purpose, by comparison - losing 51 games is a danger signal.
Am I the only one here a little shocked by Misterearl's new tone? Gone is the homer, pie-in-the-sky, staunch Defender of the Knicks Iniverse. Paging the real misterearl! Please pick up the nearest courtesy phone!
J/k, I'm glad to see you bleed like the rest of us and you're not just some Russian bot hired by Dolan. (hand extended)One Pollyanna to go... Is it possible that nix ever comes to the dark (realist) side?
Panos - when your "franchise player" blows off an exit interview with the President/ GM who drafted him, there is something wrong with us, (channeling Bill Murray in Stripes) "there is something very WRONG with us..."
For whatever reason, Kristaps has decided to take his talents to Latvia and double dare anyone in the front office to call him on it. Hell, by comparison, Spree and Camby were labelled villains and exiled for being late for media training. KP is playing for his national team because he wants to. That is a choice which sends a clear message that his basketball world does not begin and end in New York, no matter how much he smiles and says he enjoys the big city.
When a designated "future core" player decides to go for a long walk elsewhere it is a sign that what happens on the basketball court is tainted by a level of dissatisfaction with manangement. Like any professional, professional athletes want to enjoy their work. They understand they are at their best when the work environment is as drama-free as possible. When it is not, something gotta change.
That is about as real as it gets.
dacash wrote:so doing a service for your country is wrong?
Don't get it twisted dacash. National pride is always a good thing, unless you have intentions of inciting a war... It is not KPs decision to represent Latvia which is the issue.
It is that fact he did not feel any need to ask permission from his employers in New York to do so. In corporate-speak, THAT is a bold (middle finger) statement.
misterearl wrote:The National Anthemdacash wrote:so doing a service for your country is wrong?Don't get it twisted dacash. National pride is always a good thing, unless you have intentions of inciting a war... It is not KPs decision to represent Latvia which is the issue.
It is that fact he did not feel any need to ask permission from his employers in New York to do so. In corporate-speak, THAT is a bold (middle finger) statement.
now that i can understand but, and just being devils advocate ,does he really have to ask for permission?
the season is over, he is technically on vacation, does he have to report in on vacation?
think he has a clause that states he cant do it like melo's ntc?
if it were the olympics,would the players have to get permission to play?( i honestly dont know the answer im asking)
the only think i see wrong is his age and status; he still a young player still developing after all, but does he really have to concern the knicks brass if he is in his own country doing something patriotic.
skipping the exit meeting is one thing but playing ball against competition that might sharpen your skills is something else.
dacash wrote:misterearl wrote:The National Anthemdacash wrote:so doing a service for your country is wrong?Don't get it twisted dacash. National pride is always a good thing, unless you have intentions of inciting a war... It is not KPs decision to represent Latvia which is the issue.
It is that fact he did not feel any need to ask permission from his employers in New York to do so. In corporate-speak, THAT is a bold (middle finger) statement.
now that i can understand but, and just being devils advocate ,does he really have to ask for permission?
the season is over, he is technically on vacation, does he have to report in on vacation?
think he has a clause that states he cant do it like melo's ntc?
if it were the olympics,would the players have to get permission to play?( i honestly dont know the answer im asking)
the only think i see wrong is his age and status; he still a young player still developing after all, but does he really have to concern the knicks brass if he is in his own country doing something patriotic.
skipping the exit meeting is one thing but playing ball against competition that might sharpen your skills is something else.
There is always room for good communication whether you think KP NEEDS to tell employer about decision.
Paul George loses a season for non-Olympic games and Indiana is beholden to pay out $20M for him to sit on the sidelines.
There should be a balance.
misterearl wrote:The National Anthemthere should be clarification here. Why does he need to ask? Is it in his contract?dacash wrote:so doing a service for your country is wrong?Don't get it twisted dacash. National pride is always a good thing, unless you have intentions of inciting a war... It is not KPs decision to represent Latvia which is the issue.
It is that fact he did not feel any need to ask permission from his employers in New York to do so. In corporate-speak, THAT is a bold (middle finger) statement.
This is very simple. If by contract he is allowed to play than he doesnt need to discuss it. Why would he? The Knicks have ZERO interest in him playing for anyone but the Knicks. Thats business. KNICK business. KP doesnt need the Knick's blessing, and the Knicks dont need him to ask for it. Its KP's choice, end of story.
Big middle finger? KP freezing out MSG? Amazing with all the coverage this team gets these geniuses cant see that 1+1=2. KP blew off his exit meeting because it made sense to. It made sense to avoid fielding questions and having his "feelings" leaked about the Melo situation (his mentor) and end of season toxic mess. It made sense to not appear as a corporate yes man to the players in the league and the guys he's got to play with next year. It makes sense as a message to his current employer that he is not a yes man and his own man and that he holds his own desitiny.. this is basic corporate/work tactics and politics. There is about 4% of the drama here that is actually being suggested. Big middle finger? More like a slide out the door and see ya next year. This is offseason fodder at this point. This is like an overdue library book.
fishmike wrote:misterearl wrote:The National Anthemthere should be clarification here. Why does he need to ask? Is it in his contract?dacash wrote:so doing a service for your country is wrong?Don't get it twisted dacash. National pride is always a good thing, unless you have intentions of inciting a war... It is not KPs decision to represent Latvia which is the issue.
It is that fact he did not feel any need to ask permission from his employers in New York to do so. In corporate-speak, THAT is a bold (middle finger) statement.
This is very simple. If by contract he is allowed to play than he doesnt need to discuss it. Why would he? The Knicks have ZERO interest in him playing for anyone but the Knicks. Thats business. KNICK business. KP doesnt need the Knick's blessing, and the Knicks dont need him to ask for it. Its KP's choice, end of story.
Big middle finger? KP freezing out MSG? Amazing with all the coverage this team gets these geniuses cant see that 1+1=2. KP blew off his exit meeting because it made sense to. It made sense to avoid fielding questions and having his "feelings" leaked about the Melo situation (his mentor) and end of season toxic mess. It made sense to not appear as a corporate yes man to the players in the league and the guys he's got to play with next year. It makes sense as a message to his current employer that he is not a yes man and his own man and that he holds his own desitiny.. this is basic corporate/work tactics and politics. There is about 4% of the drama here that is actually being suggested. Big middle finger? More like a slide out the door and see ya next year. This is offseason fodder at this point. This is like an overdue library book.
Nah fishmike - in the immortal words of the musicians above, "I Can't Go For That."
The Knicks are not paying KP millions of dollars to have his offseason out of their control. You conveniently forget we are talking about the corporate suits at MSG who monitor number of minutes media can speak directly to players or coaches. Once that player is close to the limit, a media monitor steps in to declare the session over. Do you REAAAAALY think they are happy about a prized possession (yes, they think of players as property) going his own way in the offseason without so much as a courtesy call?
Think again about the context and what you know about the personna of the Dolan regime. Think carefully with an objective mindset.
misterearl wrote:Hall and Oates Sayfishmike wrote:misterearl wrote:The National Anthemthere should be clarification here. Why does he need to ask? Is it in his contract?dacash wrote:so doing a service for your country is wrong?Don't get it twisted dacash. National pride is always a good thing, unless you have intentions of inciting a war... It is not KPs decision to represent Latvia which is the issue.
It is that fact he did not feel any need to ask permission from his employers in New York to do so. In corporate-speak, THAT is a bold (middle finger) statement.
This is very simple. If by contract he is allowed to play than he doesnt need to discuss it. Why would he? The Knicks have ZERO interest in him playing for anyone but the Knicks. Thats business. KNICK business. KP doesnt need the Knick's blessing, and the Knicks dont need him to ask for it. Its KP's choice, end of story.
Big middle finger? KP freezing out MSG? Amazing with all the coverage this team gets these geniuses cant see that 1+1=2. KP blew off his exit meeting because it made sense to. It made sense to avoid fielding questions and having his "feelings" leaked about the Melo situation (his mentor) and end of season toxic mess. It made sense to not appear as a corporate yes man to the players in the league and the guys he's got to play with next year. It makes sense as a message to his current employer that he is not a yes man and his own man and that he holds his own desitiny.. this is basic corporate/work tactics and politics. There is about 4% of the drama here that is actually being suggested. Big middle finger? More like a slide out the door and see ya next year. This is offseason fodder at this point. This is like an overdue library book.
Nah fishmike - in the immortal words of the musicians above, "I Can't Go For That."
The Knicks are not paying KP millions of dollars to have his offseason out of their control. You conveniently forget we are talking about the corporate suits at MSG who monitor number of minutes media can speak directly to players or coaches. Once that player is close to the limit, a media monitor steps in to declare the session over. Do you REAAAAALY think they are happy about a prized possession (yes, they think of players as property) going his own way in the offseason without so much as a courtesy call?
Think again about the context and what you know about the personna of the Dolan regime. Think carefully with an objective mindset.
The assumption s that Porzingis is "out of control" but I'm not so sure of that at all. The heavy-handed MSG media handling may be getting replaced by a smarter methodology.
First example is that Phil was advised to stop tweeting and he did and is self-referential about it like "yeah, I shouldn't be doing that".
Second Phil speaks to the media on his own terms and not as a scared, reactionary executive worried about being called politically incorrect.
Third, and here's where it gets interesting, is that Porzingis is largely saying not much directly to the media either. Instaed he points to his brother as a proxy spokesperson with the team and media. If you look at this systematically, maybe the Knicks and Porzingis are being deliberate and are testing a new strategy of detoxifying the media. This would be a perfect example of that Zen kind of thing to do.
By claiming to not speak to the Knicks, all the media can do is speculate. By looking like a rebel, Porzingis looks like the good guy in a "good cop/bad cop" game. By using his brother as a proxy spokesperson both he and the Knicks have plausible deniability - "Sorry the brother must have misunderstood." No harm/no foul AND the media has been chasing its own tail in the interim keeping them happily rumor mongering with nothing to show for it.
This is very interesting for its lack of urgent reactionary response from the team. So much so that I think the organization is working back channels exclusively - a very smart thing to do AND, btw, wholly contradictory to the notion that the Knicks are in chaos.