Gudris wrote:http://instagram.com/p/BTFh60Vh-tv/This pic is worth a million words: NBPA director blasts @philjackson11, @kporzee stops by smiling with a thumbs-up photo op before leaving the city🤔😅😅 It seems to me like KP is getting Phil outta here himself😂😅 Thoughts?
Thoughts?
NBPA has nothing. Phil hurt Melo's feelings is not a break with the CPA. KP said what said. Actions speak louder than pictures too.
Lets see how the summer goes. He blew of Phil. Hell, PHil wanted Kobe traded. Phil blasted Kobe in a book. Kobe wanted Phil to coach him again after.
Sometimes things just happen. KP don't have to like Phil, its business. Same For Melo, its just business. Phil is an Ass. He was one before he came to knicks.
Pop is an ass. Riles is an ass.
nixluva wrote:Woj and the rest of the Media tried to say this was about Phil forcing the Triangle but since day one I've felt this had more to do with Phil wanting to trade Melo. There could also be some issues with Rambis but that's a side issue. KP isn't looking for a move from NY like is said. This will eventually be settled but KP is a Knick and he's going to have to get used to life without Melo! This is gonna be his team along with our future picks. Time to man up!!!
Did melo waive is NTC, because I'm noticing your saying without MElO in Evey post
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:Woj and the rest of the Media tried to say this was about Phil forcing the Triangle but since day one I've felt this had more to do with Phil wanting to trade Melo. There could also be some issues with Rambis but that's a side issue. KP isn't looking for a move from NY like is said. This will eventually be settled but KP is a Knick and he's going to have to get used to life without Melo! This is gonna be his team along with our future picks. Time to man up!!!
Did melo waive is NTC, because I'm noticing your saying without MElO in Evey post
I believe KP's reaction was based largely on the idea that Phil wants to trade Melo and KP is upset about that. There is no other logical explanation for KP's out of the blue subordination. It wasn't based on basketball since we saw him and the kids actually start playing better.
I'm assuming that Melo will move on. This is not going to be a situation where he fits next year. He could stay but that would not be in his best interests for his remaining career. I don't think it's too outlandish to assume Melo is going to want to move on given Phil's statements to him.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:Phil said there was a game KP played where he didn't take any threes Andre called to tell KP it was a good thing..The following games KP launched 5,7,6,6 threes...
Wow you are F'n LOST if you think Phil was saying don't shoot 3's at all. He was just letting KP know that he doesn't have to play lazy and just launch 3's. KP should get some early shots in closer and use all of his skills. KP did that and there was good balance to his offense.
Phil is not a fan of todays NBA and majority of players dont like the triangle, especially guards.
This is shaping up to be the worst era in Knicks history
"Majority"?
"worst era in history"
Used to be "You sound like the President of the united states" and it would be a compliment.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:Phil said there was a game KP played where he didn't take any threes Andre called to tell KP it was a good thing..The following games KP launched 5,7,6,6 threes...
Wow you are F'n LOST if you think Phil was saying don't shoot 3's at all. He was just letting KP know that he doesn't have to play lazy and just launch 3's. KP should get some early shots in closer and use all of his skills. KP did that and there was good balance to his offense.
Phil is not a fan of todays NBA and majority of players dont like the triangle, especially guards.
This is shaping up to be the worst era in Knicks history
WOW! You couldn't be more wrong. You clearly have NO IDEA WTF is actually happening with the Knicks! You're too blinded by your bias that you haven't even paid attention to what is going on. I made a thread just for you cuz there needs to be some clarity and FACTS given to counter this Media Narrative about the Knicks.
Since KP didnt trash Phil and the triangle nobody really cares
It's inteResting to me
On one side I don't like KP as such a young player showing this side so early in his career. He's not even an all star yet and he's making some moves that you label as Diva like. Ok KP is worth high maintenance but doesn't this mean in the future when Phil is gone he will continue to do this sort of thing. Kobe was the same way he would pout and put pressure on the teams coaching staff and management but Kobe was also a superstar HOF level player.
On the other side from the players POV this earns KP major points. He is seen as a leader someone willing to step up and put his butt on the line for his teammates. He clearly thinks they have not done things right and is backing his teammates. I think this is great for KPs future leadership qualities as he will be seen as a guy who stands up for his teammates.
I also believe that KP wants the Melo trade to either happen or be shut down for good. Seems since KPs rookie year around mid season plenty of things have gone down. For one Fisher was fired and I think KP liked Fish. Second they were Melo trade rumours in his rookie year. Now a year and few months later, same stuff. Still not sure if the team should run Triangle as primary offense or not, and then Melo trade talks still a major issue.
He is right from his perspective to rebel but not this way. Attending an exit interview is professional responsibility. His people need to get him to see that.
nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:Phil said there was a game KP played where he didn't take any threes Andre called to tell KP it was a good thing..The following games KP launched 5,7,6,6 threes...
Wow you are F'n LOST if you think Phil was saying don't shoot 3's at all. He was just letting KP know that he doesn't have to play lazy and just launch 3's. KP should get some early shots in closer and use all of his skills. KP did that and there was good balance to his offense.
Phil is not a fan of todays NBA and majority of players dont like the triangle, especially guards.
This is shaping up to be the worst era in Knicks history
WOW! You couldn't be more wrong. You clearly have NO IDEA WTF is actually happening with the Knicks! You're too blinded by your bias that you haven't even paid attention to what is going on. I made a thread just for you cuz there needs to be some clarity and FACTS given to counter this Media Narrative about the Knicks.
your in denial, that's your problem, 95% of fans want phil gone, that's really the bottom line.
nixluva wrote:Woj and the rest of the Media tried to say this was about Phil forcing the Triangle but since day one I've felt this had more to do with Phil wanting to trade Melo. There could also be some issues with Rambis but that's a side issue. KP isn't looking for a move from NY like is said. This will eventually be settled but KP is a Knick and he's going to have to get used to life without Melo! This is gonna be his team along with our future picks. Time to man up!!!
He had his mentor for the first two years. Now it's time to "man up", strap on his big boy sack and emerge from the shadow of his mentor. He's the man now, and this is his first step to asserting that.
It's a VERY positive sign imo.
How is this a positive sign? If KP had a cause or an issue, he should have gone to Phil and spoken his mind. Instead, he acted out as an immature delinquent, skipping school.
Don't recall Dirk pulling off such antics, even though his early days in Dallas were not easy either.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:Phil said there was a game KP played where he didn't take any threes Andre called to tell KP it was a good thing..The following games KP launched 5,7,6,6 threes...
Wow you are F'n LOST if you think Phil was saying don't shoot 3's at all. He was just letting KP know that he doesn't have to play lazy and just launch 3's. KP should get some early shots in closer and use all of his skills. KP did that and there was good balance to his offense.
Phil is not a fan of todays NBA and majority of players dont like the triangle, especially guards.
This is shaping up to be the worst era in Knicks history
WOW! You couldn't be more wrong. You clearly have NO IDEA WTF is actually happening with the Knicks! You're too blinded by your bias that you haven't even paid attention to what is going on. I made a thread just for you cuz there needs to be some clarity and FACTS given to counter this Media Narrative about the Knicks.
your in denial, that's your problem, 95% of fans want phil gone, that's really the bottom line.
apparently here they do not
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:Woj and the rest of the Media tried to say this was about Phil forcing the Triangle but since day one I've felt this had more to do with Phil wanting to trade Melo. There could also be some issues with Rambis but that's a side issue. KP isn't looking for a move from NY like is said. This will eventually be settled but KP is a Knick and he's going to have to get used to life without Melo! This is gonna be his team along with our future picks. Time to man up!!!
Did melo waive is NTC, because I'm noticing your saying without MElO in Evey post
I believe KP's reaction was based largely on the idea that Phil wants to trade Melo and KP is upset about that. There is no other logical explanation for KP's out of the blue subordination. It wasn't based on basketball since we saw him and the kids actually start playing better.I'm assuming that Melo will move on. This is not going to be a situation where he fits next year. He could stay but that would not be in his best interests for his remaining career. I don't think it's too outlandish to assume Melo is going to want to move on given Phil's statements to him.
Im assuming Melo sticks it to phil and tells him he isn't going anywhere near a non contending team, which limits phils options..So what then, take whatever trash that's out there.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:Woj and the rest of the Media tried to say this was about Phil forcing the Triangle but since day one I've felt this had more to do with Phil wanting to trade Melo. There could also be some issues with Rambis but that's a side issue. KP isn't looking for a move from NY like is said. This will eventually be settled but KP is a Knick and he's going to have to get used to life without Melo! This is gonna be his team along with our future picks. Time to man up!!!
Did melo waive is NTC, because I'm noticing your saying without MElO in Evey post
I believe KP's reaction was based largely on the idea that Phil wants to trade Melo and KP is upset about that. There is no other logical explanation for KP's out of the blue subordination. It wasn't based on basketball since we saw him and the kids actually start playing better.I'm assuming that Melo will move on. This is not going to be a situation where he fits next year. He could stay but that would not be in his best interests for his remaining career. I don't think it's too outlandish to assume Melo is going to want to move on given Phil's statements to him.
Im assuming Melo sticks it to phil and tells him he isn't going anywhere near a non contending team, which limits phils options..So what then, take whatever trash that's out there.
Phil doesn't HAVE to trade Melo in order to move the team in the right direction but it would be in Melo's best interests to move on. Phil is NOT planning on sticking Melo on some losing team! He hasn't been like that with his players.
You have a very nasty tone to everything involving Phil. It strikes me that your take is unnecessarily negative. What is the point of Melo staying when there is going to be more of a youth movement going forward? This isn't going to be a good situation for Melo. He won't fit with the new core or approach to the game this team wants to have.
nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:Woj and the rest of the Media tried to say this was about Phil forcing the Triangle but since day one I've felt this had more to do with Phil wanting to trade Melo. There could also be some issues with Rambis but that's a side issue. KP isn't looking for a move from NY like is said. This will eventually be settled but KP is a Knick and he's going to have to get used to life without Melo! This is gonna be his team along with our future picks. Time to man up!!!
Did melo waive is NTC, because I'm noticing your saying without MElO in Evey post
I believe KP's reaction was based largely on the idea that Phil wants to trade Melo and KP is upset about that. There is no other logical explanation for KP's out of the blue subordination. It wasn't based on basketball since we saw him and the kids actually start playing better.I'm assuming that Melo will move on. This is not going to be a situation where he fits next year. He could stay but that would not be in his best interests for his remaining career. I don't think it's too outlandish to assume Melo is going to want to move on given Phil's statements to him.
Im assuming Melo sticks it to phil and tells him he isn't going anywhere near a non contending team, which limits phils options..So what then, take whatever trash that's out there.
Phil doesn't HAVE to trade Melo in order to move the team in the right direction but it would be in Melo's best interests to move on. Phil is NOT planning on sticking Melo on some losing team! He hasn't been like that with his players.
You have a very nasty tone to everything involving Phil. It strikes me that your take is unnecessarily negative. What is the point of Melo staying when there is going to be more of a youth movement going forward? This isn't going to be a good situation for Melo. He won't fit with the new core or approach to the game this team wants to have.
If Melo wants to stay in NY, be near his kid, I'm OK with that. Be a good soldier and play hard and do what team asks. Nothing wrong with that.
martin wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:Woj and the rest of the Media tried to say this was about Phil forcing the Triangle but since day one I've felt this had more to do with Phil wanting to trade Melo. There could also be some issues with Rambis but that's a side issue. KP isn't looking for a move from NY like is said. This will eventually be settled but KP is a Knick and he's going to have to get used to life without Melo! This is gonna be his team along with our future picks. Time to man up!!!
Did melo waive is NTC, because I'm noticing your saying without MElO in Evey post
I believe KP's reaction was based largely on the idea that Phil wants to trade Melo and KP is upset about that. There is no other logical explanation for KP's out of the blue subordination. It wasn't based on basketball since we saw him and the kids actually start playing better.
I'm assuming that Melo will move on. This is not going to be a situation where he fits next year. He could stay but that would not be in his best interests for his remaining career. I don't think it's too outlandish to assume Melo is going to want to move on given Phil's statements to him.
Im assuming Melo sticks it to phil and tells him he isn't going anywhere near a non contending team, which limits phils options..So what then, take whatever trash that's out there.
Phil doesn't HAVE to trade Melo in order to move the team in the right direction but it would be in Melo's best interests to move on. Phil is NOT planning on sticking Melo on some losing team! He hasn't been like that with his players. You have a very nasty tone to everything involving Phil. It strikes me that your take is unnecessarily negative. What is the point of Melo staying when there is going to be more of a youth movement going forward? This isn't going to be a good situation for Melo. He won't fit with the new core or approach to the game this team wants to have.
If Melo wants to stay in NY, be near his kid, I'm OK with that. Be a good soldier and play hard and do what team asks. Nothing wrong with that.
I think Melo staying would not be the worst thing to happen. We need to get lucky in the draft and get Jonathan Isaac. Start KP at the 5 spot. Melo at the 4. Isaac at the 3. Then rotate Willy in with KP and Melo. Then hope that Baker, Randle, CLee and Holiday can man the backcourt.
ESOMKnicks wrote:How is this a positive sign? If KP had a cause or an issue, he should have gone to Phil and spoken his mind. Instead, he acted out as an immature delinquent, skipping school.Don't recall Dirk pulling off such antics, even though his early days in Dallas were not easy either.
How do you/we know he didn't already talk to Phil or anyone else in the organization.
martin wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:Woj and the rest of the Media tried to say this was about Phil forcing the Triangle but since day one I've felt this had more to do with Phil wanting to trade Melo. There could also be some issues with Rambis but that's a side issue. KP isn't looking for a move from NY like is said. This will eventually be settled but KP is a Knick and he's going to have to get used to life without Melo! This is gonna be his team along with our future picks. Time to man up!!!
Did melo waive is NTC, because I'm noticing your saying without MElO in Evey post
I believe KP's reaction was based largely on the idea that Phil wants to trade Melo and KP is upset about that. There is no other logical explanation for KP's out of the blue subordination. It wasn't based on basketball since we saw him and the kids actually start playing better.I'm assuming that Melo will move on. This is not going to be a situation where he fits next year. He could stay but that would not be in his best interests for his remaining career. I don't think it's too outlandish to assume Melo is going to want to move on given Phil's statements to him.
Im assuming Melo sticks it to phil and tells him he isn't going anywhere near a non contending team, which limits phils options..So what then, take whatever trash that's out there.
Phil doesn't HAVE to trade Melo in order to move the team in the right direction but it would be in Melo's best interests to move on. Phil is NOT planning on sticking Melo on some losing team! He hasn't been like that with his players.
You have a very nasty tone to everything involving Phil. It strikes me that your take is unnecessarily negative. What is the point of Melo staying when there is going to be more of a youth movement going forward? This isn't going to be a good situation for Melo. He won't fit with the new core or approach to the game this team wants to have.
If Melo wants to stay in NY, be near his kid, I'm OK with that. Be a good soldier and play hard and do what team asks. Nothing wrong with that.
Could Melo make it work in Brooklyn, Boston, Philly or Washington? If he expands his acceptable destinations he could stay closer.
yellowboy90 wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:How is this a positive sign? If KP had a cause or an issue, he should have gone to Phil and spoken his mind. Instead, he acted out as an immature delinquent, skipping school.Don't recall Dirk pulling off such antics, even though his early days in Dallas were not easy either.
How do you/we know he didn't already talk to Phil or anyone else in the organization.
Cause he did not go to the exit interview
KP has been speaking about many things all season.
First he called out his own team. Saying they play 1 on 1 too much and don't play together.
Then he called for a system to be inserted said he loved the Triangle, that they ran it more under Fisher.
Now he's upset at all the schematic changes and confusion.
Meanwhile Melo who is paid and is seen as the leader of the team is chilling, laughing, and talking about nothing important in his media interviews. Only time he talks is if he's feeling threatened or insecure about the way Phil talks about him.
It's really dysfunctional, but it's also Melo/KP. They don't work together. They are acting opposite sides of what they should be. With Melo's career winding down, he should be one putting pressure on the team for less confusion, more focus on winning and hating the losing. KP's only been here 2 years and he's so pissed off at the losing. KP's acting like the one who has a career winding down and needs to win ASAP. He's acting like a seasoned veteran who sees the losing continuing and wants it to stop ASAP. Then on the court, defensively they don't mesh. On offense, KP is slowly starting to adapt and when Melo is out he gets the Melo opportunities more.
I just don't see why KP is the one who is doing this, when it should be coming from Melo or Rose. Guys who are on the end of their primes and need to win.
