Knicks · Willing to flip a 2018 lotto restricted pick (page 1)

To Orlando at 5 to change positions if Tatum is there. Ninny won't pick a pg and Orlando needs one so we can pick a pg for them-- they pick Tatum for us

No Fuking way. Move from 7 to 5 and give up a #1 ..We need too many players on this roster to do this.

I don't know that it's necessary to make this kind of move but I wouldn't be upset if they felt that strongly about a player in this draft. Moving up in this draft only makes sense if you are convinced this is a transformational player that you can't pass on.

I can't see them doing that.

Throw in HERZONJA and I will be willing

Doubt if the Knicks see a big difference...and not sure we want Tatum. Any rumors about him? I think a few years from now Isaac will be the better player- more versatile...better defender. He might be a legit 4 position defender.

On principle, though, don't want to give up a chance for a #1 unless you are talking about getting a guy like Towns.

BRIGGS wrote:To Orlando at 5 to change positions if Tatum is there. Ninny won't pick a pg and Orlando needs one so we can pick a pg for them-- they pick Tatum for us

Well that would be a typical Knicks move and pretty stupid. This rebuild isn't gonna take one year and will more than likely take 3 years so we need our 1st round picks. One thing i love about Phil is that he's kept all of our draft picks and has even added some 2nd rounders.

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BRIGGS wrote:To Orlando at 5 to change positions if Tatum is there. Ninny won't pick a pg and Orlando needs one so we can pick a pg for them-- they pick Tatum for us

Well that would be a typical Knicks move and pretty stupid. This rebuild isn't gonna take one year and will more than likely take 3 years so we need our 1st round picks. One thing i love about Phil is that he's kept all of our draft picks and has even added some 2nd rounders.

rebuild? in new york???
someone tell briggs that every thought that enters his head isnt thread worthy

WaltLongmire wrote:Doubt if the Knicks see a big difference...and not sure we want Tatum. Any rumors about him? I think a few years from now Isaac will be the better player- more versatile...better defender. He might be a legit 4 position defender.

On principle, though, don't want to give up a chance for a #1 unless you are talking about getting a guy like Towns.

The nba has very few players that really make a difference . Tatum will be one of them

Horrible idea.

2018 lotto protection? You better put indefinite lotto protection. We're the Knicks after all.

meloshouldgo wrote:Horrible idea.

If you get the right player in the nba it could be a game changer for 15 years.is that worth a future 19 pick? I have some concern past 5-6. I think it gets sketchy

Bonn1997 wrote:2018 lotto protection? You better put indefinite lotto protection. We're the Knicks after all.

I want my pick next year that should've read 2019 past 14 until conveyed

While is commonplace to dis Briggs, I think highly of Tatum and think he'll be a two way, 20+ point scorer and well schooled. Yet we need the 2018 badly and I would take Fox at 5 over Tatum as Briggs repeatedly advises that it's a guard driven league. Let them have Smith at 7 and we'll give up next years 1st but not for last years first as folks say he has disappointed. Btw the Knicks even w Tatum or Fox or Isaac (with KP and Willy) are pretty much guaranteed lottery in 2018.

2019 makes it a bit different yet other than the switch of 7 to 5 we need a rotation player from Orlando or a 2019 for a 2020

Bonn1997 wrote:2018 lotto protection? You better put indefinite lotto protection. We're the Knicks after all.

I agree. I didn't hear anything on 4/14 that makes me think the next draft or three will see the Knicks in the lottery.

We simply can't trade away any 1st rounds draft picks ever again....

Now trading down is different. I would gladly take a player and a lower pick for our #7 if we didn't like anyone there. Maybe even 2 lower picks for #7... there's quite a few teams below us that might be interested. Utah has #24 & 30... Lakers have #28 and some youth to trade (Jordan clarckson?)... brooklyn has 22 &27.... Orlando has the 25th and Herzona.... portland has 3 picks they can't even sign cuz their roster is too capped out.

EnySpree wrote:We simply can't trade away any 1st rounds draft picks ever again....

Now trading down is different. I would gladly take a player and a lower pick for our #7 if we didn't like anyone there. Maybe even 2 lower picks for #7... there's quite a few teams below us that might be interested. Utah has #24 & 30... Lakers have #28 and some youth to trade (Jordan clarckson?)... brooklyn has 22 &27.... Orlando has the 25th and Herzona.... portland has 3 picks they can't even sign cuz their roster is too capped out.

trading down is much much better, Portland has like 3 first round picks #15,20 and 26 who on Portland's team would be nice ; is melo plus filler worth say 15 and 20 plus young player numbers 7 15 and 20 seems nice
don't it?

BRIGGS wrote:To Orlando at 5 to change positions if Tatum is there. Ninny won't pick a pg and Orlando needs one so we can pick a pg for them-- they pick Tatum for us

Historically, in the modern era, as the draft gets closer, the best big men prospects tend to rise up the boards.

It's difficult to say how exactly the draft board will shake out past Tier 1 (i.e. Ball and Fultz) It would be premature to make an assessment outside of Tier 1 of who would take whom and when quite yet.

I like Tatum, quite a bit actually, but the Knicks aren't in a good position to be trading up in any circumstance here. If Philly or Boston wanted to make that kind of move, they have the war chest of assets to take that risk.

Baseline test - How many Knicks on next years projected roster would be instant starters against every other team in the league?

How many Knicks projected to be on next years roster would even MAKE the rosters of every other team in the league?

How many players on other teams rosters, within their 2nd and 3rd units, would be INSTANT STARTERS on next years projected Knicks team?

How many players in the 12-15 range of every other team in the league would be INSTANT rotation players for next years projected Knicks?

Knicks need QUALITY, but also QUANTITY at this point.

Also to move from 7 to 5, would cost more than a single protected 1st round pick against current NBA marketplace values.

Use the MIRROR TEST, if the Magic and Knicks were reversed in every possible instance, would you, as a fan of the Magic, want them to trade the 5th pick for the 7th and a future lottery protected first?

Feasible trade scenarios will typically

1) Pass the mirror test barring some other circumstance ( owner going nuts or making demands or taking over the trade process from his front office)

2) Align with current league marketplace values

When Andy Reid got the boot from the Eagles, his first year with the Chiefs, fans clamored for him to trade back from the top overall pick in the draft. Then he was roasted locally in KC, despite helping them win and reach the playoffs, for not trading out of the first pick and taking Eric Fisher, a tackle, with the top selection. The same reason the Chiefs would want to trade back is the EXACT SAME REASON NO OTHER TEAM WANTED TO TRADE UP. Plenty of teams would give up their right up to move up in the Andrew Luck draft. But that is the same reason the Colts would have no desire to move the pick in the first place.

In most trade up/trade down scenarios, someone in some front office is usually having to buck marketplace conventions and values to some degree. There's the value of the player they want, but also the value of the specific drafting slot in an abstract sense. You can waver on the first, but it's bad business to waver on the 2nd.

The Knicks don't have the talent or asset base to shed future assets. And this is coming from a guy who likes Tatum a lot.

Let the draft come to you and see what happens. It's very possible, but unlikely, Tatum falls. Or the Knicks could get a much higher pick than 7th. It's best to just wait and see and BE PATIENT in this part of the process.

For the love of god
no more trading picks

Briggs didnt you say we were going to be in the lottery the next 3-5 seasons? We are going to be terrible staring down a season with zero picks just like the Nets