SupremeCommander wrote:D'Antoni may have been given a bad rap here, but he still played dribble, dribble, CHCUK! here when his best players were at SF and PF. HHis design relied on Chris Duhon. Then he went to LA and failed to the point where Jeanie Buss got to wrestle away ownership from her idiot brotherD'Antoni may do what he does extremely well, but he needs certain types of players - none of which were ever on our roster
This. I'm glad for him, but his stubbornness is part of the reason he failed to get max results. Every team isn't going to have a Nash or Harden to run your offense. I felt he never adjusted the way he needed to here. That said, the Lakers and Knicks have been two of the most dysfunctional teams in recent memory.The blame doesn't fall entirely on 
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Right after MDA shaves his mustache hmmmm.....
Even MDA's sideline interviews show a different approach. He took inventory of what he was and wasn't doing right, and upped his game. Good for him.
Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
Bad thing happen when players that are not elite get what they want.
The summary quote of the article which some like to block out:
"Eventually D’Antoni and Lin left, and the Knicks won 54 games with Anthony starring the following season." That and Dantoni's record with Knicks, Lin's fall back to earth. But yeah, Anthony was wrong. Yawn.
Over/under on this year's MVP calling for Dantoni's resignation?
Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
Bad thing happen when players that are not elite get what they want.
AnYtime there's a article that make melo look bad, the NY tabloids are the SPOT ON, but as soon as theY criticize Phil or KP..They dont know what the FCK their talking about...Smh..I actually believe every word of this article, but I also believe MDA and most coach's will always have issues with how their star players play until they can find common Ground, and mda ran out of patience
HofstraBBall wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
Bad thing happen when players that are not elite get what they want.
The summary quote of the article which some like to block out:
"Eventually D’Antoni and Lin left, and the Knicks won 54 games with Anthony starring the following season." That and Dantoni's record with Knicks, Lin's fall back to earth. But yeah, Anthony was wrong. Yawn.
Over/under on this year's MVP calling for Dantoni's resignation?
They gave Melo what he needed in Kidd, Sheed, KT as leaders. Good shooting early in the year. They didn't play ISO Melo from the very start that switch came later. They started the year playing MDA BALL! If they had given MDA what he needed they would've had success.
The problem was that both D'Antoni and Melo had huge egos and neither one did enough to make their relationship work.
yellowboy90 wrote:The problem was that both D'Antoni and Melo had huge egos and neither one did enough to make their relationship work.
It's really on Melo as the player to BUY INTO what the coach is trying to run! There's a certain line of command that has to be established or it doesn't work! If the coach chooses to listen to a player suggestion or not the player is obligated to carry out what the coach calls for.
knicks1248 wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
Bad thing happen when players that are not elite get what they want.
AnYtime there's a article that make melo look bad, the NY tabloids are the SPOT ON, but as soon as theY criticize Phil or KP..They dont know what the FCK their talking about...Smh..I actually believe every word of this article, but I also believe MDA and most coach's will always have issues with how their star players play until they can find common Ground, and mda ran out of patience
You're right about the tabloids but that came out MDA's mouth.
nixluva wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
Bad thing happen when players that are not elite get what they want.
The summary quote of the article which some like to block out:
"Eventually D’Antoni and Lin left, and the Knicks won 54 games with Anthony starring the following season." That and Dantoni's record with Knicks, Lin's fall back to earth. But yeah, Anthony was wrong. Yawn.
Over/under on this year's MVP calling for Dantoni's resignation?
They gave Melo what he needed in Kidd, Sheed, KT as leaders. Good shooting early in the year. They didn't play ISO Melo from the very start that switch came later. They started the year playing MDA BALL! If they had given MDA what he needed they would've had success.
Sorry,.. how many years did MDA have as coach here? And what was his record?
So a mediocre retiring Kidd and an Old Sheed that was hurt most of the latter part of the year were the difference? Wow
Fair question, if the Knicks should have given Dantoni more time after several horrible seasons, why was it okay when Dolan gave up on Woody just a half year after handing him a 54 win season?
HofstraBBall wrote:nixluva wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
Bad thing happen when players that are not elite get what they want.
The summary quote of the article which some like to block out:
"Eventually D’Antoni and Lin left, and the Knicks won 54 games with Anthony starring the following season." That and Dantoni's record with Knicks, Lin's fall back to earth. But yeah, Anthony was wrong. Yawn.
Over/under on this year's MVP calling for Dantoni's resignation?
They gave Melo what he needed in Kidd, Sheed, KT as leaders. Good shooting early in the year. They didn't play ISO Melo from the very start that switch came later. They started the year playing MDA BALL! If they had given MDA what he needed they would've had success.
Sorry,.. how many years did MDA have as coach here? And what was his record?
So a mediocre retiring Kidd and an Old Sheed that was hurt most of the latter part of the year were the difference? Wow
Fair question, if the Knicks should have given Dantoni more time after several horrible seasons, why was it okay when Dolan gave up on Woody just a half year after handing him a 54 win season?
We all know the record! You know damned well that it's not just the coach you have who is responsible for W/L's.
As for Kidd and the vets they played a KEY roll in the early success in that 54 win season don't try to twist the facts. Those vets broke down but the great start to the season was aided by those vets.
MDA quit! It's not about more time. They never truly supported MDA.
HofstraBBall wrote:nixluva wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
Bad thing happen when players that are not elite get what they want.
The summary quote of the article which some like to block out:
"Eventually D’Antoni and Lin left, and the Knicks won 54 games with Anthony starring the following season." That and Dantoni's record with Knicks, Lin's fall back to earth. But yeah, Anthony was wrong. Yawn.
Over/under on this year's MVP calling for Dantoni's resignation?
They gave Melo what he needed in Kidd, Sheed, KT as leaders. Good shooting early in the year. They didn't play ISO Melo from the very start that switch came later. They started the year playing MDA BALL! If they had given MDA what he needed they would've had success.
Sorry,.. how many years did MDA have as coach here? And what was his record?
So a mediocre retiring Kidd and an Old Sheed that was hurt most of the latter part of the year were the difference? Wow
Fair question, if the Knicks should have given Dantoni more time after several horrible seasons, why was it okay when Dolan gave up on Woody just a half year after handing him a 54 win season?
What happened after Kidd, KT, Wallace left? Did they win 50? Did they make the playoffs?
nixluva wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:nixluva wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
Bad thing happen when players that are not elite get what they want.
The summary quote of the article which some like to block out:
"Eventually D’Antoni and Lin left, and the Knicks won 54 games with Anthony starring the following season." That and Dantoni's record with Knicks, Lin's fall back to earth. But yeah, Anthony was wrong. Yawn.
Over/under on this year's MVP calling for Dantoni's resignation?
They gave Melo what he needed in Kidd, Sheed, KT as leaders. Good shooting early in the year. They didn't play ISO Melo from the very start that switch came later. They started the year playing MDA BALL! If they had given MDA what he needed they would've had success.
Sorry,.. how many years did MDA have as coach here? And what was his record?
So a mediocre retiring Kidd and an Old Sheed that was hurt most of the latter part of the year were the difference? Wow
Fair question, if the Knicks should have given Dantoni more time after several horrible seasons, why was it okay when Dolan gave up on Woody just a half year after handing him a 54 win season?
We all know the record! You know damned well that it's not just the coach you have who is responsible for W/L's.
As for Kidd and the vets they played a KEY roll in the early success in that 54 win season don't try to twist the facts. Those vets broke down but the great start to the season was aided by those vets.
MDA quit! It's not about more time. They never truly supported MDA.
Wait, so the Knicks did not support Dantoni but supported Melo all these years? Wow, guess Dantoni would have won at least 50 with the misfits we have put together the last few seasons.
And sorry, you might want to check most of the middle of the season. Kidd had a lot of trouble with his shot and shot 35% for the year from 3. And VETS? Sheed played 21 games, Camby 24, Martin 18. And yes we agree, Kidd dissapeared in the Playoffs. The reason we won 54 was because Melo had an MVP type year, Smith was the 6th man of the year, Tyson and Felton had a very good year and we had 3pt shooting.
Vmart wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:nixluva wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
Bad thing happen when players that are not elite get what they want.
The summary quote of the article which some like to block out:
"Eventually D’Antoni and Lin left, and the Knicks won 54 games with Anthony starring the following season." That and Dantoni's record with Knicks, Lin's fall back to earth. But yeah, Anthony was wrong. Yawn.
Over/under on this year's MVP calling for Dantoni's resignation?
They gave Melo what he needed in Kidd, Sheed, KT as leaders. Good shooting early in the year. They didn't play ISO Melo from the very start that switch came later. They started the year playing MDA BALL! If they had given MDA what he needed they would've had success.
Sorry,.. how many years did MDA have as coach here? And what was his record?
So a mediocre retiring Kidd and an Old Sheed that was hurt most of the latter part of the year were the difference? Wow
Fair question, if the Knicks should have given Dantoni more time after several horrible seasons, why was it okay when Dolan gave up on Woody just a half year after handing him a 54 win season?
What happened after Kidd, KT, Wallace left? Did they win 50? Did they make the playoffs?
Good question. I will answer. Even though you didnt answer my questions.
We added a fellow by the name of Bargnani. Enough said... Lmao. Fine, some more...Felton shot 39% for year and got caught with a gun fighting his wife. We lost Novak and Copeland, who were important bench pieces. (Unlike Wallace as he only played 21 games) JR Smith was suspended and went from sixth man to 12th man. Shump had off year and shot 37% for the year. And yes, we lost some "locker room" vets. All things that could have been adjusted and may have rebounded. But it made sense to take an off year and blow it up so that we could win a whole bunch more games.
KnicksFE wrote:smackeddog wrote:toodarkmark wrote:http://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/arti...Remember when he was driven out of NY, when he was considered a bad coach, and was destroyed on this forum? Like he didn't know what he was doing.
Weird that he wins coach of the year before the Knicks, and wins the coach of the year after he leaves the Knicks. So what was the factor that suddenly made him a bad coach?
How often does someone come to the James Dolan Show and get destroyed? How many more will? Keep pretending some draft pick, some coach, some trade is going to change this.
Remember his stint with the Lakers?
I wasn't a fan of D'Antoni, especially since he made a point of not hiring a defensive specialist as the media had got inside his head. He relented on that in Houston and it's one of the reasons they're doing well.
Agree with the point about how we trash people and make out they're bums- currently doing it with Phil.
Well there is a difference there, D’Antoni won coach of the year and created a brand new type of Basketball before coming to the Knicks so a lot of us knew what he could do. On the other hand, Phil the president (Not Phil the coach) has not done much at the executive level so we don’t really know if he can build a good team yet. Coaching and building teams are two different things, only time will tell if Phil is any good as a president of a basketball team.
No the point is whether you have stellar credentials or doing it for the first time if you dont do Melo's bidding you clearly can't do anything right in the eyes of certain fans.
HofstraBBall wrote:Vmart wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:nixluva wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
Bad thing happen when players that are not elite get what they want.
The summary quote of the article which some like to block out:
"Eventually D’Antoni and Lin left, and the Knicks won 54 games with Anthony starring the following season." That and Dantoni's record with Knicks, Lin's fall back to earth. But yeah, Anthony was wrong. Yawn.
Over/under on this year's MVP calling for Dantoni's resignation?
They gave Melo what he needed in Kidd, Sheed, KT as leaders. Good shooting early in the year. They didn't play ISO Melo from the very start that switch came later. They started the year playing MDA BALL! If they had given MDA what he needed they would've had success.
Sorry,.. how many years did MDA have as coach here? And what was his record?
So a mediocre retiring Kidd and an Old Sheed that was hurt most of the latter part of the year were the difference? Wow
Fair question, if the Knicks should have given Dantoni more time after several horrible seasons, why was it okay when Dolan gave up on Woody just a half year after handing him a 54 win season?
What happened after Kidd, KT, Wallace left? Did they win 50? Did they make the playoffs?
Good question. I will answer. Even though you didnt answer my questions.
We added a fellow by the name of Bargnani. Enough said... Lmao. Fine, some more...Felton shot 39% for year and got caught with a gun fighting his wife. We lost Novak and Copeland, who were important bench pieces. (Unlike Wallace as he only played 21 games) JR Smith was suspended and went from sixth man to 12th man. Shump had off year and shot 37% for the year. And yes, we lost some "locker room" vets. All things that could have been adjusted and may have rebounded. But it made sense to take an off year and blow it up so that we could win a whole bunch more games.
What I'm trying to say is Phil inherited all that. Those old vets kept this team focused they were the ones that kept these non leaders in line. Jason Kidd might as well been the coach of the team. The vets got the team off to a great start. The lack of leadership was lacking the year after the 54 win season. I do give Jason Kidd a lot of credit for the 54 win season. He was the calming influence and his knowledge of the game still made a difference.
Melo had a great season because of it. I often wonder why then I realized that Melo didn't have to be what he isn't a leader. He didn't have to be something he isn't and just be a basketball player.
Vmart wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Vmart wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:nixluva wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
Bad thing happen when players that are not elite get what they want.
The summary quote of the article which some like to block out:
"Eventually D’Antoni and Lin left, and the Knicks won 54 games with Anthony starring the following season." That and Dantoni's record with Knicks, Lin's fall back to earth. But yeah, Anthony was wrong. Yawn.
Over/under on this year's MVP calling for Dantoni's resignation?
They gave Melo what he needed in Kidd, Sheed, KT as leaders. Good shooting early in the year. They didn't play ISO Melo from the very start that switch came later. They started the year playing MDA BALL! If they had given MDA what he needed they would've had success.
Sorry,.. how many years did MDA have as coach here? And what was his record?
So a mediocre retiring Kidd and an Old Sheed that was hurt most of the latter part of the year were the difference? Wow
Fair question, if the Knicks should have given Dantoni more time after several horrible seasons, why was it okay when Dolan gave up on Woody just a half year after handing him a 54 win season?
What happened after Kidd, KT, Wallace left? Did they win 50? Did they make the playoffs?
Good question. I will answer. Even though you didnt answer my questions.
We added a fellow by the name of Bargnani. Enough said... Lmao. Fine, some more...Felton shot 39% for year and got caught with a gun fighting his wife. We lost Novak and Copeland, who were important bench pieces. (Unlike Wallace as he only played 21 games) JR Smith was suspended and went from sixth man to 12th man. Shump had off year and shot 37% for the year. And yes, we lost some "locker room" vets. All things that could have been adjusted and may have rebounded. But it made sense to take an off year and blow it up so that we could win a whole bunch more games.
What I'm trying to say is Phil inherited all that. Those old vets kept this team focused they were the ones that kept these non leaders in line. Jason Kidd might as well been the coach of the team. The vets got the team off to a great start. The lack of leadership was lacking the year after the 54 win season. I do give Jason Kidd a lot of credit for the 54 win season. He was the calming influence and his knowledge of the game still made a difference.
Melo had a great season because of it. I often wonder why then I realized that Melo didn't have to be what he isn't a leader. He didn't have to be something he isn't and just be a basketball player.
Cant argue with his influence in the locker room. And did not mean to put his contributions on the court down. Was just stating the other factors that contributed highly to that years success and his struggles with his shooting consistency throughout the year. Would have loved for Kidd to stay on as an assistant coach and to be groomed to be a Head coach. However, Dolan does not have that tyoe of insight. Unfortunately, the Nets(then the Bucks) beat us to it.
Im hoping MDA and Melo get inducted to HOF together!!!
We can keep this up for years.
