Knicks · Why is Ujiri throwing his whole team under the bus :0 (page 2)

Uptown wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Wait a second? The spurs play a spread offense? Holy shit you guys are good! Wow Pop is running the spread offense all these years coaching and we finally are calling what he does the spread offense. Awesome! Let's cup what Pop, Duncan and Tony Parker and Many did into the argument just to prove a point. Yeah they are running the spread. 4 guys out one guy in huh? 5 guys out? Oh wow. You gonna lie to that degree? Amazing job guys.

Spread/Spacing the floor is what the Spurs do and they have been doing since they beat the Heat in '14. I'm not talking about the Robinson/Duncan years....The spurs are not running a full-7 seconds or less D'Antoni offense. Shooting a bunch of 3's does not equate 7-seconds or less. Don Nelson's Warriors (RunTMC) and Rick Pitnio's Knicks where setting NBA records with 3 point attempts and makes when MDA was still playing ball overseas. The 7 seconds or less also involves dribble-drags, pass and chase, etc....

Clearly those terms are over your head being that you are confused by simple 4-out 1 in offensive set which is based on the Read and React motion offensive set and the Dribble Drive motion offense by Walberg. The combination of the two, along with some elements of MDA, is what most of the NBA is playing today. I coach junior high and high school ball and I study this stuff. I have MDA's entire offense on a flash drive and have actually used some aspects of it for my teams. i can break it down further if need be. I'm at the basketball camps in the summer and convo with a bunch of coaches.

Lie?! I recommend you read and check out the vids I posted...

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-5-...

Also...Here's a direct quote from Pop....
"I still hate it," Popovich said. "I'll never embrace it. I don't think it's basketball. I think it's kind of like a circus sort of thing. Why don't we have a 5-point shot? A 7-point shot? You know, where does it stop, that sort of thing. But that's just me, that's just old-school. To a certain degree, you better embrace it or you're going to lose. And every time we've won a championship, the 3-point shot was a big part of it. Because it is so powerful and you've gotta be able to do it. And nobody does it better than Golden State, and you know where they're at. So it's important. You can't ignore it."

Sigh whenever you can't properly explain yourself the first rule is to start name dropping to show you really know your stuff.... next rule is to flat out say "I actually do it and I study at the Shaolin Temple under Gordon Lui in a Shaw brothers movie"....

Give me a break. The spurs have been playing the same exact way for 20 years. I heard the quote before but it doesn't change the fact that the Spurs still play the same way they always played.

Vmart wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I see nothing wrong with this but if Phil said it the whole world would be crying. Sounds like Ujiri needs some triangle in his life.... oh no that's out dated. Maybe he should fire himself and get a Spurss exec in there to replace himself. Maybe they should play modern basketball. Shoot more threes and run pick and rolls like that spread offense that sounds so smart but it's really just 7 seconds or less Dantoni system that's been around for 20 years now.

According to some Ujiri is going to be the next Knicks coach. He is going to fit right in .

EnySpree wrote:

Uptown wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Wait a second? The spurs play a spread offense? Holy shit you guys are good! Wow Pop is running the spread offense all these years coaching and we finally are calling what he does the spread offense. Awesome! Let's cup what Pop, Duncan and Tony Parker and Many did into the argument just to prove a point. Yeah they are running the spread. 4 guys out one guy in huh? 5 guys out? Oh wow. You gonna lie to that degree? Amazing job guys.

Spread/Spacing the floor is what the Spurs do and they have been doing since they beat the Heat in '14. I'm not talking about the Robinson/Duncan years....The spurs are not running a full-7 seconds or less D'Antoni offense. Shooting a bunch of 3's does not equate 7-seconds or less. Don Nelson's Warriors (RunTMC) and Rick Pitnio's Knicks where setting NBA records with 3 point attempts and makes when MDA was still playing ball overseas. The 7 seconds or less also involves dribble-drags, pass and chase, etc....

Clearly those terms are over your head being that you are confused by simple 4-out 1 in offensive set which is based on the Read and React motion offensive set and the Dribble Drive motion offense by Walberg. The combination of the two, along with some elements of MDA, is what most of the NBA is playing today. I coach junior high and high school ball and I study this stuff. I have MDA's entire offense on a flash drive and have actually used some aspects of it for my teams. i can break it down further if need be. I'm at the basketball camps in the summer and convo with a bunch of coaches.

Lie?! I recommend you read and check out the vids I posted...

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-5-...

Also...Here's a direct quote from Pop....
"I still hate it," Popovich said. "I'll never embrace it. I don't think it's basketball. I think it's kind of like a circus sort of thing. Why don't we have a 5-point shot? A 7-point shot? You know, where does it stop, that sort of thing. But that's just me, that's just old-school. To a certain degree, you better embrace it or you're going to lose. And every time we've won a championship, the 3-point shot was a big part of it. Because it is so powerful and you've gotta be able to do it. And nobody does it better than Golden State, and you know where they're at. So it's important. You can't ignore it."

Sigh whenever you can't properly explain yourself the first rule is to start name dropping to show you really know your stuff.... next rule is to flat out say "I actually do it and I study at the Shaolin Temple under Gordon Lui in a Shaw brothers movie"....

Give me a break. The spurs have been playing the same exact way for 20 years. I heard the quote before but it doesn't change the fact that the Spurs still play the same way they always played.

I thoroughly explained myself, you just seem to have trouble comprehending...Obviously, on this forum we are all faceless and have colorful names so anybody could be whomever they want. Everything I stated is valid, but I can't prove it at this point so it is what is....And if you honestly think this years version of the Spurs or the Spurs of the last couple of years play the same exact way as they did in '99, then I don;t know what you are watching....The quote is telling you that he has adapted his style of play over the years...

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/06/21...

The only problem is that spread offense could be outdated in few years. Then he would pick players based on the fit of spread offense and he only want "spread offense-fit" players and he again doesn't know how to play to the strength of his future players.

I just want to be on the safe side. If one offense system winning 11 out of 20 does not count, then another system must win most than 3 (23 is better) to give me confidence.

mlby1215 wrote: It look like Phil should have taught spread offense. Why didn't he realize in modern era he should use spread offense instead of triangle?

The only problem is that spread offense could be outdated in few years. Then he would pick players based on the fit of spread offense and he only want "spread offense-fit" players and he again doesn't know how to play to the strength of his future players.

I just want to be on the safe side. If one offense system winning 11 out of 20 does not count, then another system must win most than 3 (23 is better) to give me confidence.

Uptown wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Uptown wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Wait a second? The spurs play a spread offense? Holy shit you guys are good! Wow Pop is running the spread offense all these years coaching and we finally are calling what he does the spread offense. Awesome! Let's cup what Pop, Duncan and Tony Parker and Many did into the argument just to prove a point. Yeah they are running the spread. 4 guys out one guy in huh? 5 guys out? Oh wow. You gonna lie to that degree? Amazing job guys.

Spread/Spacing the floor is what the Spurs do and they have been doing since they beat the Heat in '14. I'm not talking about the Robinson/Duncan years....The spurs are not running a full-7 seconds or less D'Antoni offense. Shooting a bunch of 3's does not equate 7-seconds or less. Don Nelson's Warriors (RunTMC) and Rick Pitnio's Knicks where setting NBA records with 3 point attempts and makes when MDA was still playing ball overseas. The 7 seconds or less also involves dribble-drags, pass and chase, etc....

Clearly those terms are over your head being that you are confused by simple 4-out 1 in offensive set which is based on the Read and React motion offensive set and the Dribble Drive motion offense by Walberg. The combination of the two, along with some elements of MDA, is what most of the NBA is playing today. I coach junior high and high school ball and I study this stuff. I have MDA's entire offense on a flash drive and have actually used some aspects of it for my teams. i can break it down further if need be. I'm at the basketball camps in the summer and convo with a bunch of coaches.

Lie?! I recommend you read and check out the vids I posted...

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-5-...

Also...Here's a direct quote from Pop....
"I still hate it," Popovich said. "I'll never embrace it. I don't think it's basketball. I think it's kind of like a circus sort of thing. Why don't we have a 5-point shot? A 7-point shot? You know, where does it stop, that sort of thing. But that's just me, that's just old-school. To a certain degree, you better embrace it or you're going to lose. And every time we've won a championship, the 3-point shot was a big part of it. Because it is so powerful and you've gotta be able to do it. And nobody does it better than Golden State, and you know where they're at. So it's important. You can't ignore it."

Sigh whenever you can't properly explain yourself the first rule is to start name dropping to show you really know your stuff.... next rule is to flat out say "I actually do it and I study at the Shaolin Temple under Gordon Lui in a Shaw brothers movie"....

Give me a break. The spurs have been playing the same exact way for 20 years. I heard the quote before but it doesn't change the fact that the Spurs still play the same way they always played.

I thoroughly explained myself, you just seem to have trouble comprehending...Obviously, on this forum we are all faceless and have colorful names so anybody could be whomever they want. Everything I stated is valid, but I can't prove it at this point so it is what is....And if you honestly think this years version of the Spurs or the Spurs of the last couple of years play the same exact way as they did in '99, then I don;t know what you are watching....The quote is telling you that he has adapted his style of play over the years...

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/06/21...

Obviously David Robinson and Avery Johnson are retired and Tony Parkers game is different than Avery. Duncan at center and 50 years old is also different than 20 something year old Duncan. Personnel tweaks things... but they are running the same things. The current spurs team is pretty much proto typical Spurs. 2 bugs, one defensive shooter at the 3, speedy point guard, dead eye shooter at the 2... then Manu and a host of shooters off the bench. That's what they have been doing for 20 years. They are usually pretty much middle of the pack in three points made every season. Nothing more to say.

EnySpree wrote:

Uptown wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Uptown wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Wait a second? The spurs play a spread offense? Holy shit you guys are good! Wow Pop is running the spread offense all these years coaching and we finally are calling what he does the spread offense. Awesome! Let's cup what Pop, Duncan and Tony Parker and Many did into the argument just to prove a point. Yeah they are running the spread. 4 guys out one guy in huh? 5 guys out? Oh wow. You gonna lie to that degree? Amazing job guys.

Spread/Spacing the floor is what the Spurs do and they have been doing since they beat the Heat in '14. I'm not talking about the Robinson/Duncan years....The spurs are not running a full-7 seconds or less D'Antoni offense. Shooting a bunch of 3's does not equate 7-seconds or less. Don Nelson's Warriors (RunTMC) and Rick Pitnio's Knicks where setting NBA records with 3 point attempts and makes when MDA was still playing ball overseas. The 7 seconds or less also involves dribble-drags, pass and chase, etc....

Clearly those terms are over your head being that you are confused by simple 4-out 1 in offensive set which is based on the Read and React motion offensive set and the Dribble Drive motion offense by Walberg. The combination of the two, along with some elements of MDA, is what most of the NBA is playing today. I coach junior high and high school ball and I study this stuff. I have MDA's entire offense on a flash drive and have actually used some aspects of it for my teams. i can break it down further if need be. I'm at the basketball camps in the summer and convo with a bunch of coaches.

Lie?! I recommend you read and check out the vids I posted...

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-5-...

Also...Here's a direct quote from Pop....
"I still hate it," Popovich said. "I'll never embrace it. I don't think it's basketball. I think it's kind of like a circus sort of thing. Why don't we have a 5-point shot? A 7-point shot? You know, where does it stop, that sort of thing. But that's just me, that's just old-school. To a certain degree, you better embrace it or you're going to lose. And every time we've won a championship, the 3-point shot was a big part of it. Because it is so powerful and you've gotta be able to do it. And nobody does it better than Golden State, and you know where they're at. So it's important. You can't ignore it."

Sigh whenever you can't properly explain yourself the first rule is to start name dropping to show you really know your stuff.... next rule is to flat out say "I actually do it and I study at the Shaolin Temple under Gordon Lui in a Shaw brothers movie"....

Give me a break. The spurs have been playing the same exact way for 20 years. I heard the quote before but it doesn't change the fact that the Spurs still play the same way they always played.

I thoroughly explained myself, you just seem to have trouble comprehending...Obviously, on this forum we are all faceless and have colorful names so anybody could be whomever they want. Everything I stated is valid, but I can't prove it at this point so it is what is....And if you honestly think this years version of the Spurs or the Spurs of the last couple of years play the same exact way as they did in '99, then I don;t know what you are watching....The quote is telling you that he has adapted his style of play over the years...

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/06/21...

Obviously David Robinson and Avery Johnson are retired and Tony Parkers game is different than Avery. Duncan at center and 50 years old is also different than 20 something year old Duncan. Personnel tweaks things... but they are running the same things. The current spurs team is pretty much proto typical Spurs. 2 bugs, one defensive shooter at the 3, speedy point guard, dead eye shooter at the 2... then Manu and a host of shooters off the bench. That's what they have been doing for 20 years. They are usually pretty much middle of the pack in three points made every season. Nothing more to say.

Yeah, we'll just ignore the articles and vid I posted that show how the Spurs adapted....

Nothing more to say.

Realest thing you've said thus far....

djsunyc wrote:martin - did you not see the videos i posted of his presser?

ujiri is one of the most respected execs in the nba. he was keeping it real and not insulting the fanbase and talked about his own expectations...and not giving some hustle talk based on his own previous comments on what kind of team he wanted to build in toronto. his comments carry alot of weight unlike other execs or coaches or players that don't have the respect of others or who is known to talk sh t with some subliminal nonsense. this guy is saving people in africa and giving them a way out of poverty. he's straight forward and to the point.

it was his talk that changed lowry's career trajectory. he stuck with casey for 6 full years - he could've easily dumped him after the wizards sweep but didn't. he uses casey's input alot - he involves him with all facets of the team.

he's telling all his players and coaches that he expects more. he has handsomely paid his coaches + players. he has supported them throughout this whole era. and what he said was convey his disappointments. the guy has built up some solid equity.

i actually find it refreshing especially after years of colangelo being a used car salesman in all his interviews.

ultimately, we need to see how everyone responds and what he does. but you have to see who is saying it and why he said it. ujiri is the last person to make folks look bad. all agents love dealing with him. you never heard one bad thing about him or his managing style.

What does Toronto do now? They have to sign Ibaka otherwise they get even weaker. Lowry has to be paid Conley money. Crazy.

As bad as things seem for the Knicks, rebuild wise we are not that bad. Better to have great young players than to be over the cap, fully invested to veteran stars who are not getting you past the first or second round.

What we need is to get some draft picks in the Melo trade and keep drafting well. We need KP to keep getting better. That's just the right way to go. When you feel the core you have is pretty damn talented, enough to contend in the future, then you go for veterans and more cap spending moves. As far as I can see, Knicks still have two more years before they have to worry about the cap, as KP's next big contract won't kick in till 2019-20. These next two years should be all about getting young, good, two way players and find a star young player to pair with KP.

CrushAlot wrote:

djsunyc wrote:martin - did you not see the videos i posted of his presser?

ujiri is one of the most respected execs in the nba. he was keeping it real and not insulting the fanbase and talked about his own expectations...and not giving some hustle talk based on his own previous comments on what kind of team he wanted to build in toronto. his comments carry alot of weight unlike other execs or coaches or players that don't have the respect of others or who is known to talk sh t with some subliminal nonsense. this guy is saving people in africa and giving them a way out of poverty. he's straight forward and to the point.

it was his talk that changed lowry's career trajectory. he stuck with casey for 6 full years - he could've easily dumped him after the wizards sweep but didn't. he uses casey's input alot - he involves him with all facets of the team.

he's telling all his players and coaches that he expects more. he has handsomely paid his coaches + players. he has supported them throughout this whole era. and what he said was convey his disappointments. the guy has built up some solid equity.

i actually find it refreshing especially after years of colangelo being a used car salesman in all his interviews.

ultimately, we need to see how everyone responds and what he does. but you have to see who is saying it and why he said it. ujiri is the last person to make folks look bad. all agents love dealing with him. you never heard one bad thing about him or his managing style.

Where did you post the videos? I would love to see his presser.

smackeddog wrote:Farewell DeRozan

he'll be the last person dealt. he's improved every year - i went from hating his game to appreciating it this year. he will be back next year even better. he's going to be more of a playmaker.

nyknickzingis wrote:It's far better to be where the Knicks are right now with a young player like KP, Willy, capspace, Melo to trade and a top 7 lottery pick than where some of these other teams are getting bounced in round 1 or 2 badly, and no where near the Cavs but fully capped on and very tough for them to improve.

What does Toronto do now? They have to sign Ibaka otherwise they get even weaker. Lowry has to be paid Conley money. Crazy.

As bad as things seem for the Knicks, rebuild wise we are not that bad. Better to have great young players than to be over the cap, fully invested to veteran stars who are not getting you past the first or second round.

What we need is to get some draft picks in the Melo trade and keep drafting well. We need KP to keep getting better. That's just the right way to go. When you feel the core you have is pretty damn talented, enough to contend in the future, then you go for veterans and more cap spending moves. As far as I can see, Knicks still have two more years before they have to worry about the cap, as KP's next big contract won't kick in till 2019-20. These next two years should be all about getting young, good, two way players and find a star young player to pair with KP.

when you look at it on paper, the raptors did what they were supposed to do the past 2 seasons.

beat indy, beat mia, lose to cavs.
beat mil, lose to cavs.

the optics is not kind though but the final results are still what was expected. this is as good a team as you can realistically assemble in the nba w/o a top 10 player.

if we re-sign everyone, we will advance again and if we avoid the cavs bracket, it will depend on how much other teams improve but a trip back to the ecf's is not far fetched. the only team i could see making a major leap to be better than us would be boston b/c of their assets. but that's only if ainge trades some of them for a player like butler or george. we would've beat boston in the 2nd round and probably the wizards. you guys may not believe me b/c of the optics but it would've been another 7 game slugfest but we would've won them b/c we beat those guys in the regular season. we just can't ever beat the cavs - regular season or playoffs.

there is zero guarantees to return to 50 win status especially considering it took the franchise almost 20 years to get there. so you try to keep it going. again, think miller's pacers (who finally made the finals 6-7 years into their run and after mj retired) or joe's atlanta hawks. can't expect to get to the finals with an all time great in the way. but that shouldn't stop you from trying.

50 win isn't bad status. to me, treadmill no man's land is that 37-47 win range. no homecourt if you make the playoffs so 1 and done's or bad enough to get a top pick.

djsunyc wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Farewell DeRozan

he'll be the last person dealt. he's improved every year - i went from hating his game to appreciating it this year. he will be back next year even better. he's going to be more of a playmaker.

BigDaddyG wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Farewell DeRozan

he'll be the last person dealt. he's improved every year - i went from hating his game to appreciating it this year. he will be back next year even better. he's going to be more of a playmaker.

Is that because someone needs to pick up the slack when Lowry leaves? If you guys had someone like Melo, it would make you tougher to defend in the playoffs. Sounds like something to consider?

lowry is the best overall player but demar is the franchise. drafted and wanted to stay in toronto. improved every year to the point he carried us to an awesome record without lowry down the stretch. having another scorer/playmaker will definitely help b/c team entire gameplan was to double dd all playoffs and nobody else stepped up.

melo though is a stopper chucker - would not fit with derozan at all. he doesn't space the floor enough and would clog us. we would still win but i think ujiri knows all about melo and knows he won't work here.

melo needs to go to a team where he can not be the alpha - and there's only a few teams he can go where that won't be the case. clippers, cavs and san antonio. every other team he will come in thinking it's his team. he also needs to become a pf. no shot if he's your sf.

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I see nothing wrong with this but if Phil said it the whole world would be crying. Sounds like Ujiri needs some triangle in his life.... oh no that's out dated. Maybe he should fire himself and get a Spurss exec in there to replace himself. Maybe they should play modern basketball. Shoot more threes and run pick and rolls like that spread offense that sounds so smart but it's really just 7 seconds or less Dantoni system that's been around for 20 years now.

According to some Ujiri is going to be the next Knicks coach. He is going to fit right in .

Didn't know he was a coach. But I have heard several guys that know the league talk about Dolan being fond of Ujiri and the time line of contracts working. I try to share anything I hear about the Knicks.

Take it easy man. You know what I meant.

Maybe Toronto goes after Bledsoe? Maybe Brandon Knight... thet need a retooling. Thet also need better production out of their small feds.

djsunyc wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

djsunyc wrote:martin - did you not see the videos i posted of his presser?

ujiri is one of the most respected execs in the nba. he was keeping it real and not insulting the fanbase and talked about his own expectations...and not giving some hustle talk based on his own previous comments on what kind of team he wanted to build in toronto. his comments carry alot of weight unlike other execs or coaches or players that don't have the respect of others or who is known to talk sh t with some subliminal nonsense. this guy is saving people in africa and giving them a way out of poverty. he's straight forward and to the point.

it was his talk that changed lowry's career trajectory. he stuck with casey for 6 full years - he could've easily dumped him after the wizards sweep but didn't. he uses casey's input alot - he involves him with all facets of the team.

he's telling all his players and coaches that he expects more. he has handsomely paid his coaches + players. he has supported them throughout this whole era. and what he said was convey his disappointments. the guy has built up some solid equity.

i actually find it refreshing especially after years of colangelo being a used car salesman in all his interviews.

ultimately, we need to see how everyone responds and what he does. but you have to see who is saying it and why he said it. ujiri is the last person to make folks look bad. all agents love dealing with him. you never heard one bad thing about him or his managing style.

Where did you post the videos? I would love to see his presser.