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CHICAGO -- New York Knicks team president Phil Jackson reiterated his belief that Carmelo Anthony should waive his no-trade clause and accept a deal to a team in position to contend for an NBA title."We'd like him to have success,"Jackson said during a break in the action at the NBA draft combine. "The opportunity is narrowing. We'd just like him to have success somewhere. We're not going to be there. Hopefully, we'll be maybe a playoff team next year. It would be tough to consider us a possible champion."
Jackson said last month that he believed Anthony, 32, would be "better off somewhere else" to pursue a championship, noting that the Knicks haven't been winning with Anthony for the past three years.
"He has a no-trade contract," Jackson said Friday when asked if he wanted Anthony back with the Knicks next season. "I think I expressed what I felt. I can't express it any better. I thought it was well-said, even though a lot of you didn't feel quite that way."
Jackson said he sent some text messages to Anthony but hasn't spoken to him since the season ended.
"[General manager] Steve [Mills] has," Jackson said. "I know I've reached out to him in the text but not personally."
In light of recent news of marriage troubles between Anthony and his wife, Lala, Jackson wanted his team's star to know that the organization is thinking about him.
"Some personal things that came out in the paper, [that news] is difficult," Jackson said. "I just want him to know we're supportive of him. It's a tough time."
When asked about the strong statement NBPA director Michele Roberts made in defense of Anthony after Jackson's comments at season's end, the Hall of Fame coach had a succinct answer.
"She's working it," Jackson said.
Jackson did not want to get into specifics regarding Knicks big man Kristaps Porzingis and the young star's decision to skip his exit interview.
"I think rather than to bat this thing back and forth over the net between parties, [we] will just leave it alone," Jackson said when asked if he was disappointed with Porzingis' decision. "I think Jeff [Hornacek] said something yesterday, and he kind of expressed our feelings about it."
Is he hopeful that he'll be able to speak with Porzingis in the near future?
"I'd just as soon not talk about it," Jackson said.
Jackson remains optimistic about the Knicks' chances in Tuesday's NBA draft lottery.
"We want to get the first pick," Jackson said. "So we're rooting for those little balls."
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Once again, eloquently expressed.
As far as KP, he would love to be real with everyone but he can't. The media and the fans run with everything he says or doesn't say.
HofstraBBall wrote:Nothing wrong with what he said.
He has everybody doing the job he supposed to be doing, as if he's the one grooming Mills,allan, and gaines, when he's the one with no experience. Even if that is the case, which it certainly looks like it, Mills was more responsible for most (if not all) our FA signings, then he's ass should be fired.
Since Mills is a Dolan guy, there's no way phil can even fire MILLs or Allan. Phil is responsible for Kurt, JH and Gains and a couple of other no names on the coaching staff. Until that front office is all on the same page, and are not forced to be on the same page, we are going to be a team of utter confusion.
It's like dolan can hire anyone of us to run the franchise, but make sure you keep allan and mills happy, despite them doing stupid sht
knicks1248 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Nothing wrong with what he said.He has everybody doing the job he supposed to be doing, as if he's the one grooming Mills,allan, and gaines, when he's the one with no experience. Even if that is the case, which it certainly looks like it, Mills was more responsible for most (if not all) our FA signings, then he's ass should be fired.
Since Mills is a Dolan guy, there's no way phil can even fire MILLs or Allan. Phil is responsible for Kurt, JH and Gains and a couple of other no names on the coaching staff. Until that front office is all on the same page, and are not forced to be on the same page, we are going to be a team of utter confusion.
It's like dolan can hire anyone of us to run the franchise, but make sure you keep allan and mills happy, despite them doing stupid sht
You like to say things as if they are facts and they are just thoughts in your imagination.
I think he owes the Knicks to be reasonable and open up the process of a trade for him the Knicks and especially the fans.
He seems a bit hypocritical using "family" as excuse while he spent the season cheating on his wife while saying family is why he wanted to remain. It's time to allow the Knicks to move on and for you to find a new avenue in your life
BRIGGS wrote:We gave up a lot to trade for Carmelo and seemed to acquiese to his desires while here.
I think he owes the Knicks to be reasonable and open up the process of a trade for him the Knicks and especially the fans.
He seems a bit hypocritical using "family" as excuse while he spent the season cheating on his wife while saying family is why he wanted to remain. It's time to allow the Knicks to move on and for you to find a new avenue in your life
Melo cares only about melo- all that crap all year about wanting to do what's best for his family while he was having an affair and impregnating another woman (which meant he was cheating on his wife while having unprotected sex- great thing to do to your wife). He will never do us a favor by widening the list of teams he'd go to.
BRIGGS wrote:We gave up a lot to trade for Carmelo and seemed to acquiese to his desires while here.
I think he owes the Knicks to be reasonable and open up the process of a trade for him the Knicks and especially the fans.
He seems a bit hypocritical using "family" as excuse while he spent the season cheating on his wife while saying family is why he wanted to remain. It's time to allow the Knicks to move on and for you to find a new avenue in your life
Players don't owe the fans anything beyond what the contract says. This is an instance where I'll fully side with Melo. Players put their bodies on the line and experience pain and injury from work to an extent few Americans do. They also have a rare, unreplaceable set of skills. The compensation for that is a generous contract (usually in terms of money but in Melo's case it was the assurance that he could stay with the Knicks and stay in NYC for 5 years). I'd never leave the city I'd settled down in just because other people wanted me to. If he wants to be a selfless superhuman (or just wants to leave), fine, but he shouldn't be expected to be. When Phil gave Melo the contract in 2014, he was giving Melo the right to play here as long as he wants to (through 2019) regardless of anyone else's desires. The problem is the contract Phil and Dolan gave him. Melo has every right legally and ethically to accept the compensation for putting his body on the line (money and staying in the city) that Phil and Dolan guaranteed him.
mlby1215 wrote:And media is very soft and protective to Melo. I do not believe that they totally have no clue that Melo is a playboy in secret. But they were silent as Melo is always their sources.
If the media start opening up about players personal lives the entire league would have an image issue like almost ever other pro sport. How much did the national main stream media really talk about what Rose admitted to liking in his time off the court?
Media has exposed his personal life not because he cheats, but his wife legal separated from him. Something by all accounts has been going on for a while. Perhaps she has guarded his indiscretions as well for some time. Perhaps now she see's it as a ratings boom for her show. These people are messed up. It would be wrong for Phil to even breath this. We can, Media can, but Knicks should not.
Reasons Nalod thinks now time to trade him is purely on the court issues. Blame and fault until now and how much is on him or not does not matter. Melo is who he is and has played up to his ability and played well.
Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We gave up a lot to trade for Carmelo and seemed to acquiese to his desires while here.
I think he owes the Knicks to be reasonable and open up the process of a trade for him the Knicks and especially the fans.
He seems a bit hypocritical using "family" as excuse while he spent the season cheating on his wife while saying family is why he wanted to remain. It's time to allow the Knicks to move on and for you to find a new avenue in your life
Players don't owe the fans anything beyond what the contract says. This is an instance where I'll fully side with Melo. Players put their bodies on the line and experience pain and injury from work to an extent few Americans do. They also have a rare, unreplaceable set of skills. The compensation for that is a generous contract (usually in terms of money but in Melo's case it was the assurance that he could stay with the Knicks and stay in NYC for 5 years). I'd never leave the city I'd settled down in just because other people wanted me to. If he wants to be a selfless superhuman (or just wants to leave), fine, but he shouldn't be expected to be. When Phil gave Melo the contract in 2014, he was giving Melo the right to play here as long as he wants to (through 2019) regardless of anyone else's desires. The problem is the contract Phil and Dolan gave him. Melo has every right legally and ethically to accept the compensation for putting his body on the line (money and staying in the city) that Phil and Dolan guaranteed him.
Well said..
smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We gave up a lot to trade for Carmelo and seemed to acquiese to his desires while here.
I think he owes the Knicks to be reasonable and open up the process of a trade for him the Knicks and especially the fans.
He seems a bit hypocritical using "family" as excuse while he spent the season cheating on his wife while saying family is why he wanted to remain. It's time to allow the Knicks to move on and for you to find a new avenue in your lifeMelo cares only about melo- all that crap all year about wanting to do what's best for his family while he was having an affair and impregnating another woman (which meant he was cheating on his wife while having unprotected sex- great thing to do to your wife). He will never do us a favor by widening the list of teams he'd go to.
No one should/could agree with the choices he made in his personal life. But to bring that into a conversation about basketball is questionable and low grade. Imo.
As for what he should do.... He will do what everyone here, every other NBA player and the rest of the world would do, if in his position. They would do what's best for them. The idea that players owe fans anything is short sighted and popular only to selfish fanatics who think the world revolves around their need for affirmation.
As much as I feel Melo was not to blame for our incompetence. It is time to move on. And although it is no secret that I do not feel Phil is the answer, what he said was fair and concise. "He has a NTC" so it's up to him. Think Melo will see that it's best for him in a place he can win and that place is not here
HofstraBBall wrote:smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We gave up a lot to trade for Carmelo and seemed to acquiese to his desires while here.
I think he owes the Knicks to be reasonable and open up the process of a trade for him the Knicks and especially the fans.
He seems a bit hypocritical using "family" as excuse while he spent the season cheating on his wife while saying family is why he wanted to remain. It's time to allow the Knicks to move on and for you to find a new avenue in your lifeMelo cares only about melo- all that crap all year about wanting to do what's best for his family while he was having an affair and impregnating another woman (which meant he was cheating on his wife while having unprotected sex- great thing to do to your wife). He will never do us a favor by widening the list of teams he'd go to.
No one should/could agree with the choices he made in his personal life. But to bring that into a conversation about basketball is questionable and low grade. Imo.
As for what he should do.... He will do what everyone here, every other NBA player and the rest of the world would do, if in his position. They would do what's best for them. The idea that players owe fans anything is short sighted and popular only to selfish fanatics who think the world revolves around their need for affirmation.
As much as I feel Melo was not to blame for our incompetence. It is time to move on. Although it is no secret I do not feel Phil is the answer, what he said was fair and concise. "He has a NTC" so it's up to him. Think Melo will see that it's best for him in a place he can win and that place is not here
TO some extend Melo's agent and him need to figure out his value and what a trade would do to the new team. Perhaps he was willing to wait a few years in NY after his trade for team to restock. Time is a ticking!
But he needs Phil's consent as well so a value at some level must be established. Its why its important more than one team desire him as that raises the price.
A "win now" situation for him were we get back youthier assets would be best for both. He goes to a team that won't spend assets that will impact them now and we get to build on our base.
Thats Why I suggested Miami with Winslow being the centerpiece. Just an example.......We take Winslow and Bosh's contract for yoot. Miami saves money, we burn it anyway.
Nalod wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We gave up a lot to trade for Carmelo and seemed to acquiese to his desires while here.
I think he owes the Knicks to be reasonable and open up the process of a trade for him the Knicks and especially the fans.
He seems a bit hypocritical using "family" as excuse while he spent the season cheating on his wife while saying family is why he wanted to remain. It's time to allow the Knicks to move on and for you to find a new avenue in your lifeMelo cares only about melo- all that crap all year about wanting to do what's best for his family while he was having an affair and impregnating another woman (which meant he was cheating on his wife while having unprotected sex- great thing to do to your wife). He will never do us a favor by widening the list of teams he'd go to.
No one should/could agree with the choices he made in his personal life. But to bring that into a conversation about basketball is questionable and low grade. Imo.
As for what he should do.... He will do what everyone here, every other NBA player and the rest of the world would do, if in his position. They would do what's best for them. The idea that players owe fans anything is short sighted and popular only to selfish fanatics who think the world revolves around their need for affirmation.
As much as I feel Melo was not to blame for our incompetence. It is time to move on. Although it is no secret I do not feel Phil is the answer, what he said was fair and concise. "He has a NTC" so it's up to him. Think Melo will see that it's best for him in a place he can win and that place is not here
TO some extend Melo's agent and him need to figure out his value and what a trade would do to the new team. Perhaps he was willing to wait a few years in NY after his trade for team to restock. Time is a ticking!
But he needs Phil's consent as well so a value at some level must be established. Its why its important more than one team desire him as that raises the price.
A "win now" situation for him were we get back youthier assets would be best for both. He goes to a team that won't spend assets that will impact them now and we get to build on our base.Thats Why I suggested Miami with Winslow being the centerpiece. Just an example.......We take Winslow and Bosh's contract for yoot. Miami saves money, we burn it anyway.
Just think Melo really thought Phil would lure more players. Think Phil told him he would try to compete right away and he did try but made some mistakes and things did not turn out the way they both had hoped. Now Phil is clearly pointing to a rebuild. Don't think it's as contentious as everyone makes it to be. Melo has said he sees the writing on the wall and I think he will move on. But it will definitely be to a better situation. Think the only destination that makes sense is the Clips. Or a team on the cusp of winning a chip.
Agree that Winslow would be great. And Drag and Whitehead would be enticing team mates for Melo. But don't know if he would consider them instant contenders to win it all. Will be interesting to see what happens.
HofstraBBall wrote:Nalod wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We gave up a lot to trade for Carmelo and seemed to acquiese to his desires while here.
I think he owes the Knicks to be reasonable and open up the process of a trade for him the Knicks and especially the fans.
He seems a bit hypocritical using "family" as excuse while he spent the season cheating on his wife while saying family is why he wanted to remain. It's time to allow the Knicks to move on and for you to find a new avenue in your lifeMelo cares only about melo- all that crap all year about wanting to do what's best for his family while he was having an affair and impregnating another woman (which meant he was cheating on his wife while having unprotected sex- great thing to do to your wife). He will never do us a favor by widening the list of teams he'd go to.
No one should/could agree with the choices he made in his personal life. But to bring that into a conversation about basketball is questionable and low grade. Imo.
As for what he should do.... He will do what everyone here, every other NBA player and the rest of the world would do, if in his position. They would do what's best for them. The idea that players owe fans anything is short sighted and popular only to selfish fanatics who think the world revolves around their need for affirmation.
As much as I feel Melo was not to blame for our incompetence. It is time to move on. Although it is no secret I do not feel Phil is the answer, what he said was fair and concise. "He has a NTC" so it's up to him. Think Melo will see that it's best for him in a place he can win and that place is not here
TO some extend Melo's agent and him need to figure out his value and what a trade would do to the new team. Perhaps he was willing to wait a few years in NY after his trade for team to restock. Time is a ticking!
But he needs Phil's consent as well so a value at some level must be established. Its why its important more than one team desire him as that raises the price.
A "win now" situation for him were we get back youthier assets would be best for both. He goes to a team that won't spend assets that will impact them now and we get to build on our base.Thats Why I suggested Miami with Winslow being the centerpiece. Just an example.......We take Winslow and Bosh's contract for yoot. Miami saves money, we burn it anyway.
Just think Melo really thought Phil would lure more players. Think Phil told him he would try to compete right away and he did try but made some mistakes and things did not turn out the way they both had hoped. Now Phil is clearly pointing to a rebuild. Don't think it's as contentious as everyone makes it to be. Melo has said he sees the writing on the wall and I think he will move on. But it will definitely be to a better situation. Think the only destination that makes sense is the Clips. Or a team on the cusp of winning a chip.
Agree that Winslow would be great. And Drag and Whitehead would be enticing team mates for Melo. But don't know if he would consider them instant contenders to win it all. Will be interesting to see what happens.
I agree with all of this but I don't see Melo going to the Heat. In addition to their not being ready to win now, Melo's buddies all have issues with Riley. Also, while Melo might be ready to go, I think Phil's presser did complicate things. While the CBA in some cases allows a player to waive his trade kicker, I don't think there is anyway Melo gives up 9 mil to help Phil.