Know Melo wants to go to a winner - but the pickings are slim... if we can't get a reasonable deal with the Clippers, Cavs or Celts - what about trying to send Melo to the Nets or Sixers? He may accept it if it gets him away from Phil and still allows him to be close to his kid. For the record I'd prefer getting Crowder back in a Celts deal but not sure it can happen. I hate the idea of waiving him as he can still play - just seems it won't be for us... Assuming Melo would agree - would anybody do either of these deals if the only alternative was waive him or just sit him? I would consider the Nets deal purely for irony and future draft potential
Melo to Nets for Lin, Booker, KJ McDaniels, 22 pick and future #1 (protected most likely)
Melo to Sixers for G.Henderson, Bayless, resigned Sergio Rodriguez (reasonable/backup deal) and swap for #3 pick (they take 8)
i think facilitating a bigger trade involving melo would be better cause we wont get much straight up for him
I think waiving him is a good option. Or taking back more tradeable contacts. Being married to the idea that we can get "value" for Melo will lead to disappointment. No team is going to trade anything of value for him, because he isn't very valuable.
jskinny35 wrote:Know Melo wants to go to a winner - but the pickings are slim... if we can't get a reasonable deal with the Clippers, Cavs or Celts - what about trying to send Melo to the Nets or Sixers? He may accept it if it gets him away from Phil and still allows him to be close to his kid. For the record I'd prefer getting Crowder back in a Celts deal but not sure it can happen. I hate the idea of waiving him as he can still play - just seems it won't be for us... Assuming Melo would agree - would anybody do either of these deals if the only alternative was waive him or just sit him? I would consider the Nets deal purely for irony and future draft potentialMelo to Nets for Lin, Booker, KJ McDaniels, 22 pick and future #1 (protected most likely)
Melo to Sixers for G.Henderson, Bayless, resigned Sergio Rodriguez (reasonable/backup deal) and swap for #3 pick (they take 8)
The major problem besides the NTC is Melo simply does not appear to actually care about winning basketball games. He seems content to lose as long as he gets all his money and gets to play how he wants to play ( shotjacker/ballstopper/no defense/coach killer, etc)
The Nets is pretty interesting in that they want to move Brook Lopez and have some late 1st round draft picks. Do the Knicks need another high paid center?
The seeming plus is that Kenny Atkinson has history with the Knicks.
The seeming negative is that Jeremy Lin is on that team.
The other issue is the young GM in place for the Nets seems to want to move older heavy contracts out, not take them in to his team.
The Nets makes some actual sense, then they make no sense at the same time for a trade.
Hate to say it, Melo seems to content to dog it on this roster until he's waived with full salary. And I just don't see the Knicks doing that. This could be a LONG two years ahead.
meloshouldgo wrote:I think waiving him is a good option. Or taking back more tradeable contacts. Being married to the idea that we can get "value" for Melo will lead to disappointment. No team is going to trade anything of value for him, because he isn't very valuable.
dude do you really think anybody is going to take you serious with a name like meloshouldgo"on a topic of melo..Everyone knows where you stand, you couldn't give 2 shts about what they do to get him out of here, you would take on the worst contract in the nba as long as melo is off the knicks
Not sure why Knicks should even spend time on moving him.
If Melo wants to get somewhere his agent should work on some acceptable trade for the Knicks.
If he wants to stay let him play.
Knicks need some attraction to get Garden loaded while rebuilding and losing for another 2 years.
meloshouldgo wrote:I think waiving him is a good option. Or taking back more tradeable contacts. Being married to the idea that we can get "value" for Melo will lead to disappointment. No team is going to trade anything of value for him, because he isn't very valuable.
A 54 million dollar cap hit over the next two yearsbecause Phil gave out an untradeable contract. And the money is spent so Phil can make things work with his next roster reset? Sounds like a sold plan.
Surprised nobody's proposing Lin for Melo straight up. Or is it because Brooklyn would need at least 4 1st rounders as compensation?
Yeah, and i'm sure CampMelo is dying to move to Philly, to spend the last few years of his window as part of the "process"...
jskinny35 wrote:Know Melo wants to go to a winner - but the pickings are slim... if we can't get a reasonable deal with the Clippers, Cavs or Celts - what about trying to send Melo to the Nets or Sixers? He may accept it if it gets him away from Phil and still allows him to be close to his kid. For the record I'd prefer getting Crowder back in a Celts deal but not sure it can happen. I hate the idea of waiving him as he can still play - just seems it won't be for us... Assuming Melo would agree - would anybody do either of these deals if the only alternative was waive him or just sit him? I would consider the Nets deal purely for irony and future draft potentialMelo to Nets for Lin, Booker, KJ McDaniels, 22 pick and future #1 (protected most likely)
Melo to Sixers for G.Henderson, Bayless, resigned Sergio Rodriguez (reasonable/backup deal) and swap for #3 pick (they take 8)
Melo will not waive his NTC ro go to either of those teams or any teams that isn't ready to win right away. He'll just stay with the Knicks if he can't get to a team he wants to go to. He doesn't have to deal with Phil really besides when he's sitting around at practice and i'm sure he'll find ways to deal with him at those times. I can absolutely see Melo in a Knicks uniform next season but for the record....i'd take either one of those deals and be very happy with either but i don't see either team doing those deals besides maybe Philly but definitely not the Nets.
knicks1248 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I think waiving him is a good option. Or taking back more tradeable contacts. Being married to the idea that we can get "value" for Melo will lead to disappointment. No team is going to trade anything of value for him, because he isn't very valuable.
dude do you really think anybody is going to take you serious with a name like meloshouldgo"on a topic of melo..Everyone knows where you stand, you couldn't give 2 shts about what they do to get him out of here, you would take on the worst contract in the nba as long as melo is off the knicks
When I read this impersonating Trump voice, it starts to make sense.
CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:I think waiving him is a good option. Or taking back more tradeable contacts. Being married to the idea that we can get "value" for Melo will lead to disappointment. No team is going to trade anything of value for him, because he isn't very valuable.
A 54 million dollar cap hit over the next two yearsbecause Phil gave out an untradeable contract. And the money is spent so Phil can make things work with his next roster reset? Sounds like a sold plan.
So basically your in the camp that
1. Layden is responsible for McDyess
2. Grunfeld for Houstans contract
3. ISiah for 2008 market cap of $119million
4. Walsh for Amare's contract
5. Walsh for Melo trade
6. Phil for Melo's NTC and contract........
And you don't see a pattern here beyond blame? What makes you think that PHil being gone would be an end to the maddness?
I don't think Noah's contract is a franchise killer. I believe Melo's deal was inherited by phil.
what is different now is we are keeping our picks. That is very big. Even bigger than Phils mistakes. Of course, there are some that think the Spurs assitant GM wunderkid would never do wrong.
17-32-31 wins over three years is not Nalod being happy.
The problem with the Clippers is that outside of Griffin, Jordan and CP3, they don't have anything anybody else wants.
Saw this story about how Russell liked a comment about not drafting Lonzo Ball, then unliked it. Wouldnt be surprised if he wants to bail if Ball is drafted.
http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumor...
I would offer Melo, the 8th pick, for Russell and filler, with hopefully some cap relief. Russell and KP would make a great tandem, eventually.
I don't think this trade will even be considered but if Anthony wanted to emulate the pattern that LeBron established with Cleveland which is to say go to a team with great young talent that is ready to blossom and that emphasizes defense in a way that will complement his shortcomings then Minnesota would be a great destination.
Thibodeau coaches and they're loaded with young talent that can play.
Melo and Plumlee for Rubio, Aldrich, and 7 could more or less work with a tweak or two. Melo would land on a great team, Knicks finally get Rubio and Aldrich already knows the system.
Win-Win assuming Minny would have interest.
fwk00 wrote:I don't think this trade will even be considered but if Anthony wanted to emulate the pattern that LeBron established with Cleveland which is to say go to a team with great young talent that is ready to blossom and that emphasizes defense in a way that will complement his shortcomings then Minnesota would be a great destination.Thibodeau coaches and they're loaded with young talent that can play.
Melo and Plumlee for Rubio, Aldrich, and 7 could more or less work with a tweak or two. Melo would land on a great team, Knicks finally get Rubio and Aldrich already knows the system.
Win-Win assuming Minny would have interest.
Melo has the coat and hat all ready!!
fwk00 wrote:I don't think this trade will even be considered but if Anthony wanted to emulate the pattern that LeBron established with Cleveland which is to say go to a team with great young talent that is ready to blossom and that emphasizes defense in a way that will complement his shortcomings then Minnesota would be a great destination.Thibodeau coaches and they're loaded with young talent that can play.
Melo and Plumlee for Rubio, Aldrich, and 7 could more or less work with a tweak or two. Melo would land on a great team, Knicks finally get Rubio and Aldrich already knows the system.
Win-Win assuming Minny would have interest.
Minny is not really loaded with young talent. If you take away Rubio they are left with one great offensive player and one player that showed great improvement but injured himself, and one vastly overrated young player who plays zero defense. They will look a little better if they can draft Isaac and he pans out though. Unless Minny can go out and get paul/Lowry to sign with them then that would be a silly move to go somewhere void of talent in the western conference.
yellowboy90 wrote:fwk00 wrote:I don't think this trade will even be considered but if Anthony wanted to emulate the pattern that LeBron established with Cleveland which is to say go to a team with great young talent that is ready to blossom and that emphasizes defense in a way that will complement his shortcomings then Minnesota would be a great destination.Thibodeau coaches and they're loaded with young talent that can play.
Melo and Plumlee for Rubio, Aldrich, and 7 could more or less work with a tweak or two. Melo would land on a great team, Knicks finally get Rubio and Aldrich already knows the system.
Win-Win assuming Minny would have interest.
Minny is not really loaded with young talent. If you take away Rubio they are left with one great offensive player and one player that showed great improvement but injured himself, and one vastly overrated young player who plays zero defense. They will look a little better if they can draft Isaac and he pans out though. Unless Minny can go out and get paul/Lowry to sign with them then that would be a silly move to go somewhere void of talent in the western conference.
Title of the thread is "unlikely". I happen to think its a practical deal for both teams. Minny loses nothing except a draft pick and gains an aging but useful star player.
Towns, Dunn, LaVine, Payne, Wiggins, and Dieng aren't chopped liver. If Towns is a keeper the rest are movable pieces just as Cleveland moved some bodies.
Not sure pick 7 moves the needle for them as much as adding a Melo would.
GustavBahler wrote:Saw this story about how Russell liked a comment about not drafting Lonzo Ball, then unliked it. Wouldnt be surprised if he wants to bail if Ball is drafted. http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumor...
I would offer Melo, the 8th pick, for Russell and filler, with hopefully some cap relief. Russell and KP would make a great tandem, eventually.
I think this is the best bet. We probably take a toxic contract like Deng back packaged with Russell for Melo. I think Knicks have to pull the trigger on that. Agree... I have not lost faith that Russell will be a top flight player.
