Knicks · Instead of taking ANY bad deal for C Anthony (page 2)
BRIGGS wrote:Its pretty easy. Great players like Kevin Mchale Manu Ginobli --who were easily just as good or better than Melo were more than welcome to taking on the important 6th man role. First we should give Carmelo a chance to digest the idea before bashing him. If he comes back and says no then we kindly ask him to forward more landing spots for a trade. WE(the Knicks) tried to work with him to make sure he can have a significant contribution the way the Knicks want it and he declined(which in other jobs would get you fired). But lets give him the benefit of the doubt and see is he would embrace the role first--maybe he will. Its much better keeping him in a role like this THAN trading him in a deal like we did for Patrick Ewing. That was scattered and poor. If he fails to comply with either the premise of being a 6th man or adding more trading spots we inform him that we'd like him to stay home until the point we can achieve a trade that will be sufficient for the Knicks with NO timetable set on it. NO buyout is coming.
so your telling me you start kuz or lance over melo..phil would be ripped to threads..
when melo is 35/36 yrs old, then I can see a 6th man role, 32 is still prime time.
what 32 yr old all star is coming off the bench in the nba, unless there's flat out better player in front of him like leonard, george, labron, or kd..
franco12 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Phil gave more authority to the player option crusher Rambis in February and has stated that this is going to continue in the near future. I think Melo would have considered waiving part of his trade kicker if the cba allowed it and it was the right situation for him after it was clear that the Knicks were not going to win for the next two years. I also think he would have allowed his agent to work with the Knicks to get another contract to relieve them of some of the financial burden the deal Phil gave him will cost them for the next three years. But Phil's presser took it too far. Also, if Paul leaves the Clips no deal is happening.CrushAlot wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Yeah. I think the Knicks are lacking too much in talent for him to embrace the role of coming off the bench. But a rested Melo going against second unit guys would be very effective. With limited trade partners it might be the best option. Melo is owed over 54 mil for 2 years. I don't see the Knicks waiving him and I don't think he goes out of his way to help Phil get a deal done or relief from the financial obligation owed him after Phil's press conference.BRIGGS wrote:Why don't we restructure his contributions as a sixth man? Many good players develop into solid 6th men as they get older. What exactly would be wrong with 25 minutes of Carmelo off the bench? Most 6th men are brought into score--that would be putting Melo against 2nd unit players--limiting his minutes should enhance his efficiency levels and take the pressure of carrying the team off his back. Why trade Anthony for a bad deal? Unless it makes sense--make him our 6th man.That'd work fine so long as the team was thriving.
If the team is struggling, particularly offensively, it'd become an all-consuming distraction that despite the struggles you're leaving one of the top NBA scorers on the bench for long stretches.
Good in theory, unlikely in application.
PLEASE! Melo wouldn't ease the financial burden if he and Phil were blowing kisses to each other all year. Don't try to paint this as Melo only being difficult because of Phil's Presser. Melo knew we needed as much cap space as possible to build and he took only the very smallest off the top of his new deal.
We should not expect much of anything from Melo in the way of helping the team. I no longer care what Melo does. Stay, get traded or bought out! It doesn't matter to me. We know what Melo brings scoring wise so him being here is simply more of the same. If they trade Melo it's more important who is brought in cuz we don't want to get stuck with a guy taking up huge cap but not providing good value in production. A buyout may be the only logical route to take.
If Chris Paul goes to SAS to win a chip, why can't Chris Paul come here? Granted, he's not likely to win a chip with us - but it is NYC, he would be with his bestie, Melo. And add Paul, #8 pick this year and honest, with some luck on the health front with Noah & LT, we're right there in the play offs in the east.
Some people just can't see the forest for the trees. SMH
BRIGGS wrote:Its pretty easy. Great players like Kevin Mchale Manu Ginobli --who were easily just as good or better than Melo were more than welcome to taking on the important 6th man role. First we should give Carmelo a chance to digest the idea before bashing him. If he comes back and says no then we kindly ask him to forward more landing spots for a trade. WE(the Knicks) tried to work with him to make sure he can have a significant contribution the way the Knicks want it and he declined(which in other jobs would get you fired). But lets give him the benefit of the doubt and see is he would embrace the role first--maybe he will. Its much better keeping him in a role like this THAN trading him in a deal like we did for Patrick Ewing. That was scattered and poor. If he fails to comply with either the premise of being a 6th man or adding more trading spots we inform him that we'd like him to stay home until the point we can achieve a trade that will be sufficient for the Knicks with NO timetable set on it. NO buyout is coming.
BULLSHIT. We the Knicks have tried to get him to embrace various roles over the years since D'Antoni was here. And he has refused all of them from playing the 4, to bringing the ball up, to making passes, to playing in the flow of the offense. This shit needs to stop. We need to bench his ass or cut home lose. Preferably the latter. I don't want this selfish me first diva anywhere near our players.
meloshouldgo wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Its pretty easy. Great players like Kevin Mchale Manu Ginobli --who were easily just as good or better than Melo were more than welcome to taking on the important 6th man role. First we should give Carmelo a chance to digest the idea before bashing him. If he comes back and says no then we kindly ask him to forward more landing spots for a trade. WE(the Knicks) tried to work with him to make sure he can have a significant contribution the way the Knicks want it and he declined(which in other jobs would get you fired). But lets give him the benefit of the doubt and see is he would embrace the role first--maybe he will. Its much better keeping him in a role like this THAN trading him in a deal like we did for Patrick Ewing. That was scattered and poor. If he fails to comply with either the premise of being a 6th man or adding more trading spots we inform him that we'd like him to stay home until the point we can achieve a trade that will be sufficient for the Knicks with NO timetable set on it. NO buyout is coming.BULLSHIT. We the Knicks have tried to get him to embrace various roles over the years since D'Antoni was here. And he has refused all of them from playing the 4, to bringing the ball up, to making passes, to playing in the flow of the offense. This shit needs to stop. We need to bench his ass or cut home lose. Preferably the latter. I don't want this selfish me first diva anywhere near our players.
when melo leaves what are you going to change your name to?
meloshouldgo wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Its pretty easy. Great players like Kevin Mchale Manu Ginobli --who were easily just as good or better than Melo were more than welcome to taking on the important 6th man role. First we should give Carmelo a chance to digest the idea before bashing him. If he comes back and says no then we kindly ask him to forward more landing spots for a trade. WE(the Knicks) tried to work with him to make sure he can have a significant contribution the way the Knicks want it and he declined(which in other jobs would get you fired). But lets give him the benefit of the doubt and see is he would embrace the role first--maybe he will. Its much better keeping him in a role like this THAN trading him in a deal like we did for Patrick Ewing. That was scattered and poor. If he fails to comply with either the premise of being a 6th man or adding more trading spots we inform him that we'd like him to stay home until the point we can achieve a trade that will be sufficient for the Knicks with NO timetable set on it. NO buyout is coming.BULLSHIT. We the Knicks have tried to get him to embrace various roles over the years since D'Antoni was here. And he has refused all of them from playing the 4, to bringing the ball up, to making passes, to playing in the flow of the offense. This shit needs to stop. We need to bench his ass or cut home lose. Preferably the latter. I don't want this selfish me first diva anywhere near our players.
DUDE, all of his teammates have nothing but love, good things to say about him, from young to old, the only person that has a problem with him is you, phil, and a few fans. He is not a cancer in the locker room by any stretch of the imagination, in fact it's the very opposite. you already know how lance, KP, Rose, Jennings, baker, KOQ, Noah, lee, feel about him because it's all on record.
Is it melos fault that all his teammate defer to him because he has a uncanny ability to score at will
BRIGGS wrote:Why don't we restructure his contributions as a sixth man? Many good players develop into solid 6th men as they get older. What exactly would be wrong with 25 minutes of Carmelo off the bench? Most 6th men are brought into score--that would be putting Melo against 2nd unit players--limiting his minutes should enhance his efficiency levels and take the pressure of carrying the team off his back. Why trade Anthony for a bad deal? Unless it makes sense--make him our 6th man.
PhilinLA wrote:We have to get rid of him. Half moves, non-moves and bad moves have crippled us for decades. We acquired him to win and win we have not. He's not getting better at this point, and had Phil not given him the NTC, he'd have been gone at the deadline.There is some speculation on twitter that the Clips might be more desperate to trade for him to keep Paul from going to the Spurs.
PhilinLA wrote:Clippers have nothing they can give us. The Lakers do. Boston does. I think Washington does.I don't know if the Lakers are on the list but there is a lot of talk about the work Randle is putting in this offseason on twitter. Saw this:
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CrushAlot wrote:PhilinLA wrote:Clippers have nothing they can give us. The Lakers do. Boston does. I think Washington does.I don't know if the Lakers are on the list but there is a lot of talk about the work Randle is putting in this offseason on twitter. Saw this:Javascript is not enabled or there was problem with the URL: https://twitter.com/Carrastealth/status/867463000042512384
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That's just a regular workout.... just saying. Diet is everything
Also a part of the problem is that Melo is still the best player player on this team and thus will command influence.
Best thing for everyone is a trade.
Sinix wrote:The problem is Melo's attitude. Would he accept a 6th man role? He's got a huge ego.Also a part of the problem is that Melo is still the best player player on this team and thus will command influence.
Best thing for everyone is a trade.
Is melo better than Kevin Mchale? No in fact he isnt close. So if a better player would accept that role--why wouldnt he? If not he can be suspended for insubordination--at the end of the day hes an employee.
knicks1248 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Its pretty easy. Great players like Kevin Mchale Manu Ginobli --who were easily just as good or better than Melo were more than welcome to taking on the important 6th man role. First we should give Carmelo a chance to digest the idea before bashing him. If he comes back and says no then we kindly ask him to forward more landing spots for a trade. WE(the Knicks) tried to work with him to make sure he can have a significant contribution the way the Knicks want it and he declined(which in other jobs would get you fired). But lets give him the benefit of the doubt and see is he would embrace the role first--maybe he will. Its much better keeping him in a role like this THAN trading him in a deal like we did for Patrick Ewing. That was scattered and poor. If he fails to comply with either the premise of being a 6th man or adding more trading spots we inform him that we'd like him to stay home until the point we can achieve a trade that will be sufficient for the Knicks with NO timetable set on it. NO buyout is coming.BULLSHIT. We the Knicks have tried to get him to embrace various roles over the years since D'Antoni was here. And he has refused all of them from playing the 4, to bringing the ball up, to making passes, to playing in the flow of the offense. This shit needs to stop. We need to bench his ass or cut home lose. Preferably the latter. I don't want this selfish me first diva anywhere near our players.
DUDE, all of his teammates have nothing but love, good things to say about him, from young to old, the only person that has a problem with him is you, phil, and a few fans. He is not a cancer in the locker room by any stretch of the imagination, in fact it's the very opposite. you already know how lance, KP, Rose, Jennings, baker, KOQ, Noah, lee, feel about him because it's all on record.
Is it melos fault that all his teammate defer to him because he has a uncanny ability to score at will
Well DUDE, first off try reading what was written before going off on someone. I didn't say anything about locker room cancer. I said he is selfish me first player. He holds the ball, takes bad shots and is a volume scorer. He doesn't play defense and had never done anything to change his game on the many times the Knicks and before that Denver asked him to. This has nothing to do with how his teammates feel about him.
Its Melo's fault that he went off and sulked for two weeks the last time a teammate didn't defer to him. In fact some of you still bitch about it.
BRIGGS wrote:I think Melo accepts that role on a good team. The Knicks are far from good. Does it give the team a better chance at winning? Is winning the goal or is it rebuilding? Who would play ahead of Melo? It has to make sense in terms of team goals.Sinix wrote:The problem is Melo's attitude. Would he accept a 6th man role? He's got a huge ego.Also a part of the problem is that Melo is still the best player player on this team and thus will command influence.
Best thing for everyone is a trade.
Is melo better than Kevin Mchale? No in fact he isnt close. So if a better player would accept that role--why wouldnt he? If not he can be suspended for insubordination--at the end of the day hes an employee.
The team was better when Lance started but Melo started with him if I remember correctly. The roster was clumsily constructed. Hopefully next year that won't be the case.
meloshouldgo wrote:knicks1248 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Its pretty easy. Great players like Kevin Mchale Manu Ginobli --who were easily just as good or better than Melo were more than welcome to taking on the important 6th man role. First we should give Carmelo a chance to digest the idea before bashing him. If he comes back and says no then we kindly ask him to forward more landing spots for a trade. WE(the Knicks) tried to work with him to make sure he can have a significant contribution the way the Knicks want it and he declined(which in other jobs would get you fired). But lets give him the benefit of the doubt and see is he would embrace the role first--maybe he will. Its much better keeping him in a role like this THAN trading him in a deal like we did for Patrick Ewing. That was scattered and poor. If he fails to comply with either the premise of being a 6th man or adding more trading spots we inform him that we'd like him to stay home until the point we can achieve a trade that will be sufficient for the Knicks with NO timetable set on it. NO buyout is coming.BULLSHIT. We the Knicks have tried to get him to embrace various roles over the years since D'Antoni was here. And he has refused all of them from playing the 4, to bringing the ball up, to making passes, to playing in the flow of the offense. This shit needs to stop. We need to bench his ass or cut home lose. Preferably the latter. I don't want this selfish me first diva anywhere near our players.
DUDE, all of his teammates have nothing but love, good things to say about him, from young to old, the only person that has a problem with him is you, phil, and a few fans. He is not a cancer in the locker room by any stretch of the imagination, in fact it's the very opposite. you already know how lance, KP, Rose, Jennings, baker, KOQ, Noah, lee, feel about him because it's all on record.
Is it melos fault that all his teammate defer to him because he has a uncanny ability to score at will
Well DUDE, first off try reading what was written before going off on someone. I didn't say anything about locker room cancer. I said he is selfish me first player. He holds the ball, takes bad shots and is a volume scorer. He doesn't play defense and had never done anything to change his game on the many times the Knicks and before that Denver asked him to. This has nothing to do with how his teammates feel about him.
Its Melo's fault that he went off and sulked for two weeks the last time a teammate didn't defer to him. In fact some of you still bitch about it.
He has he flaws no doubt, but he is he is, sometimes you gotta take the nice body with very little brains, or the brains with the flat ass and flat chest, but once you commit you have to adjust.
I know how to use melo, and i know the type of players to put around him, and I wouldn't let my EGO getting in the way i see fit. If you think phils EGO isn't larger than life(melo's is up there too), you haven't been paying close attn.
knicks1248 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:knicks1248 wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Its pretty easy. Great players like Kevin Mchale Manu Ginobli --who were easily just as good or better than Melo were more than welcome to taking on the important 6th man role. First we should give Carmelo a chance to digest the idea before bashing him. If he comes back and says no then we kindly ask him to forward more landing spots for a trade. WE(the Knicks) tried to work with him to make sure he can have a significant contribution the way the Knicks want it and he declined(which in other jobs would get you fired). But lets give him the benefit of the doubt and see is he would embrace the role first--maybe he will. Its much better keeping him in a role like this THAN trading him in a deal like we did for Patrick Ewing. That was scattered and poor. If he fails to comply with either the premise of being a 6th man or adding more trading spots we inform him that we'd like him to stay home until the point we can achieve a trade that will be sufficient for the Knicks with NO timetable set on it. NO buyout is coming.BULLSHIT. We the Knicks have tried to get him to embrace various roles over the years since D'Antoni was here. And he has refused all of them from playing the 4, to bringing the ball up, to making passes, to playing in the flow of the offense. This shit needs to stop. We need to bench his ass or cut home lose. Preferably the latter. I don't want this selfish me first diva anywhere near our players.
DUDE, all of his teammates have nothing but love, good things to say about him, from young to old, the only person that has a problem with him is you, phil, and a few fans. He is not a cancer in the locker room by any stretch of the imagination, in fact it's the very opposite. you already know how lance, KP, Rose, Jennings, baker, KOQ, Noah, lee, feel about him because it's all on record.
Is it melos fault that all his teammate defer to him because he has a uncanny ability to score at will
Well DUDE, first off try reading what was written before going off on someone. I didn't say anything about locker room cancer. I said he is selfish me first player. He holds the ball, takes bad shots and is a volume scorer. He doesn't play defense and had never done anything to change his game on the many times the Knicks and before that Denver asked him to. This has nothing to do with how his teammates feel about him.
Its Melo's fault that he went off and sulked for two weeks the last time a teammate didn't defer to him. In fact some of you still bitch about it.
He has he flaws no doubt, but he is he is, sometimes you gotta take the nice body with very little brains, or the brains with the flat ass and flat chest, but once you commit you have to adjust.
I know how to use melo, and i know the type of players to put around him, and I wouldn't let my EGO getting in the way i see fit. If you think phils EGO isn't larger than life(melo's is up there too), you haven't been paying close attn.
A guy with 11 rings hs earned the luxury of a ego. A "superstar" who cant get to the playoffs in the East with two 18 pt scorers on his team clearly has not. That's all there is to it.
dacash wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Its pretty easy. Great players like Kevin Mchale Manu Ginobli --who were easily just as good or better than Melo were more than welcome to taking on the important 6th man role. First we should give Carmelo a chance to digest the idea before bashing him. If he comes back and says no then we kindly ask him to forward more landing spots for a trade. WE(the Knicks) tried to work with him to make sure he can have a significant contribution the way the Knicks want it and he declined(which in other jobs would get you fired). But lets give him the benefit of the doubt and see is he would embrace the role first--maybe he will. Its much better keeping him in a role like this THAN trading him in a deal like we did for Patrick Ewing. That was scattered and poor. If he fails to comply with either the premise of being a 6th man or adding more trading spots we inform him that we'd like him to stay home until the point we can achieve a trade that will be sufficient for the Knicks with NO timetable set on it. NO buyout is coming.BULLSHIT. We the Knicks have tried to get him to embrace various roles over the years since D'Antoni was here. And he has refused all of them from playing the 4, to bringing the ball up, to making passes, to playing in the flow of the offense. This shit needs to stop. We need to bench his ass or cut home lose. Preferably the latter. I don't want this selfish me first diva anywhere near our players.
when melo leaves what are you going to change your name to?
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