Knicks · Some Nice Possibilities for the Draft and Free Agency (page 1)
jskinny35@ 6/5/2017 1:15 PM
Liking the talk with Portland and possibly acquiring Harkless and a draft pick. He's long and defensive minded - could be a versatile 3 that could play with KP.
If Rubio is in play for C.Lee or some trade - would definitely go with Monk as our #8 pick
What would you guys think of this potential lineup - to me if would be a great start to rebuilding this team...
Assuming Lee used for trade Don't resign Rose (unless used for trading purposes) Melo trades still allow for us to obtain future picks If money's available and can resign J.Holiday - do it!
We would be better and play better defense - more balance and spacing. What do you guys think of this potential direction?
Knixkik@ 6/5/2017 1:24 PM
jskinny35 wrote:Liking the talk with Portland and possibly acquiring Harkless and a draft pick. He's long and defensive minded - could be a versatile 3 that could play with KP.
If Rubio is in play for C.Lee or some trade - would definitely go with Monk as our #8 pick
What would you guys think of this potential lineup - to me if would be a great start to rebuilding this team...
Assuming Lee used for trade Don't resign Rose (unless used for trading purposes) Melo trades still allow for us to obtain future picks If money's available and can resign J.Holiday - do it!
We would be better and play better defense - more balance and spacing. What do you guys think of this potential direction?
Completely agree. This would be my ideal realistic lineup for a rebuild.
dacash@ 6/5/2017 1:45 PM
Knixkik wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:Liking the talk with Portland and possibly acquiring Harkless and a draft pick. He's long and defensive minded - could be a versatile 3 that could play with KP.
If Rubio is in play for C.Lee or some trade - would definitely go with Monk as our #8 pick
What would you guys think of this potential lineup - to me if would be a great start to rebuilding this team...
Assuming Lee used for trade Don't resign Rose (unless used for trading purposes) Melo trades still allow for us to obtain future picks If money's available and can resign J.Holiday - do it!
We would be better and play better defense - more balance and spacing. What do you guys think of this potential direction?
Completely agree. This would be my ideal realistic lineup for a rebuild.
dont know how harkless plays, dont really know about him but that is an ok line up i could it happening
NYKBocker@ 6/5/2017 2:07 PM
I like it. the big IF is still Melo.
newyorknewyork@ 6/5/2017 2:18 PM
I wouldn't be mad at adding Rubio, Harkless & Aminu as veteran pieces.
colorfl1@ 6/5/2017 5:49 PM
I would like to see the Knicks sign Jrue 🎉 and Justin✔️ Holiday Im hoping O'Quinn or Lee can secure another top 15 first round pick. (I would like the Knicks to draft hybrid-defensive players -- players with rare fierceness and range that can play many positions <1 guard and 1 forward>.) If O'Quinn can pry away a young talent along with a pick -- Im all for it.
I would also like to see the Knicks secure an additional 2nd round pick -- whereby they pick one of the 3 to have a role this year, and stash the other 2 for gems down the road with young and promising Euros.
I'm hoping the Knicks secure a Mello trade that brings them back a selfless SF/pf who plays intimidating D. The Mello trade should also grant the Knicks a present, past or future mid-round or higher first round pick --- to secure a scoring shooting guard.
I'll be happy if the Knicks can help DROSE get paid by the Timberwolves -- with a sign and trade arrangement that helps them peel away a young asset from the Wolves and somehow come away with a trade exemption.
meloshouldgo@ 6/5/2017 6:50 PM
Two things. Rose and Melo. Unless we dump both nothing else is happening. Well technically we don't have to dump Rose thanks to Phil. And it will be very hard to dump Melo also thanks to Phil
newyorker4ever@ 6/6/2017 12:06 PM
jskinny35 wrote:Liking the talk with Portland and possibly acquiring Harkless and a draft pick. He's long and defensive minded - could be a versatile 3 that could play with KP.
If Rubio is in play for C.Lee or some trade - would definitely go with Monk as our #8 pick
What would you guys think of this potential lineup - to me if would be a great start to rebuilding this team...
Assuming Lee used for trade Don't resign Rose (unless used for trading purposes) Melo trades still allow for us to obtain future picks If money's available and can resign J.Holiday - do it!
We would be better and play better defense - more balance and spacing. What do you guys think of this potential direction?
Not enough defense in that lineup. Monk and Willy aren't very good at all on defense, KP is only good at shot blocking but his man defense isn't that good right now cause the PF's are too quick for him and the Centers are too big for him, at least most of them are anyway, not sure how Harkless is on defense but definitely better than Melo, Rubio is good with steals and pretty good on man but not great and he turns the ball over a good amount. Not saying it won't be a good team to start with and fun to watch but i'm all about defense with this rebuild.
BigRedDog@ 6/6/2017 12:29 PM
jskinny35 wrote:Liking the talk with Portland and possibly acquiring Harkless and a draft pick. He's long and defensive minded - could be a versatile 3 that could play with KP.
If Rubio is in play for C.Lee or some trade - would definitely go with Monk as our #8 pick
What would you guys think of this potential lineup - to me if would be a great start to rebuilding this team...
Assuming Lee used for trade Don't resign Rose (unless used for trading purposes) Melo trades still allow for us to obtain future picks If money's available and can resign J.Holiday - do it!
We would be better and play better defense - more balance and spacing. What do you guys think of this potential direction?
Great start to rebuilding as in the #1 pick next year?? This team wins 20-30 games
Cartman718@ 6/6/2017 12:32 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:Liking the talk with Portland and possibly acquiring Harkless and a draft pick. He's long and defensive minded - could be a versatile 3 that could play with KP.
If Rubio is in play for C.Lee or some trade - would definitely go with Monk as our #8 pick
What would you guys think of this potential lineup - to me if would be a great start to rebuilding this team...
Assuming Lee used for trade Don't resign Rose (unless used for trading purposes) Melo trades still allow for us to obtain future picks If money's available and can resign J.Holiday - do it!
We would be better and play better defense - more balance and spacing. What do you guys think of this potential direction?
Great start to rebuilding as in the #1 pick next year?? This team wins 20-30 games
30 is a stretch lol
jskinny35@ 6/6/2017 1:01 PM
Well, I did say a good start to rebuilding - that usually means the team won't be playoff ready. I do think the defense will be much improved,as Harkless is pretty good (replaces Melo) and the chemistry and ball movement should improve if Melo and Rose are both gone. The defense toward the end with Baker was better, so adding Rubio and allowing Baker to be the 3rd guard should only help. If you watch Harkless plays below (yes the context is a highlight video), his defense reminds me of Wilson Chandlers as he can guard 2-4 and he's very active. Offensively he seems raw, but he doesn't hold the ball, plays hard and would probably do well with increased minutes here.
- Harkless
PhilinLA@ 6/6/2017 2:32 PM
I wouldn't take Monk #8. He's one dimensional and that dimension disappears for big chunks of games.
fishmike@ 6/6/2017 2:44 PM
PhilinLA wrote:I wouldn't take Monk #8. He's one dimensional and that dimension disappears for big chunks of games.
based on?
I mean how you do quantify that? He's 19 and played a role at KY. I am not even saying you are wrong, it may be that way but how many guys with elite athleticism AND elite shooting have been taking in the lottery and failed in the NBA? Lots of great shooters, lots of great athletes.. how many were both and busted?
Thing with Monk is you are pretty much guaranteed to get a good NBA player. What his role/position is is TBD, but he's got almost no bust potential barring an injury which would be unforeseen
PhilinLA@ 6/6/2017 2:47 PM
I watched a lot of Kentucky. I think he's an undersized 2, and playing D will be a challenge for him, as will getting to mid range or to the rack, because he'll be defended by bigger stronger guys. He's a streaky 6th man type.
nixluva@ 6/6/2017 3:10 PM
PhilinLA wrote:I watched a lot of Kentucky. I think he's an undersized 2, and playing D will be a challenge for him, as will getting to mid range or to the rack, because he'll be defended by bigger stronger guys. He's a streaky 6th man type.
Monk will be guarding PG's. He's not going to be undersized at PG. Monk's ability Off the Ball will work well in the Triangle.
fishmike@ 6/6/2017 3:11 PM
PhilinLA wrote:I watched a lot of Kentucky. I think he's an undersized 2, and playing D will be a challenge for him, as will getting to mid range or to the rack, because he'll be defended by bigger stronger guys. He's a streaky 6th man type.
bigger and stronger guys puts him at a strength. This guy would be one of the quickest, most athletic players in the NBA. Monk is not just another short SG, most drafts he would be a top 5 lock. He probably goes ahead of the Russell in the KP draft. Also in this version of the NBA quickness has far more impact on defense that size and power. Length is still key for sure.
Wasnt Steph Curry a SG in a PG body? Their #s are almost identical at the same age, and Monk's combine scores blow Curry's away
yellowboy90@ 6/6/2017 3:44 PM
nixluva wrote:
PhilinLA wrote:I watched a lot of Kentucky. I think he's an undersized 2, and playing D will be a challenge for him, as will getting to mid range or to the rack, because he'll be defended by bigger stronger guys. He's a streaky 6th man type.
Monk will be guarding PG's. He's not going to be undersized at PG. Monk's ability Off the Ball will work well in the Triangle.
Are you saying what he will do if he is drafted by NY or in general?
yellowboy90@ 6/6/2017 3:52 PM
fishmike wrote:
PhilinLA wrote:I watched a lot of Kentucky. I think he's an undersized 2, and playing D will be a challenge for him, as will getting to mid range or to the rack, because he'll be defended by bigger stronger guys. He's a streaky 6th man type.
bigger and stronger guys puts him at a strength. This guy would be one of the quickest, most athletic players in the NBA. Monk is not just another short SG, most drafts he would be a top 5 lock. He probably goes ahead of the Russell in the KP draft. Also in this version of the NBA quickness has far more impact on defense that size and power. Length is still key for sure.
Wasnt Steph Curry a SG in a PG body? Their #s are almost identical at the same age, and Monk's combine scores blow Curry's away
The problem I have is that if he has so much elite athleticism why didn't it result in a better 2pt%, rebs, or stls? A short Klay Thompson is cool but a Klay Thompson without the defense is hard to build around.
Also, I do not see Monk combine numbers listed but I do see his UK team numbers on DraftExpress. Looking at some of his past measurements(USA) I am a little skeptical of his vert numbers. I think his wingspan is around 6'6 and his standing reach is higher than listed which means the numbers on his vert numbers could be off. I thought this for a long time and argued that Fox and Monk would measure better at the combine. Fox did go to the combine and his wingspan was closer to what he measured with team USA. So you might want to add that to your assessment. That doesn't mean Monk isn't athletic because he is but the elite numbers may not be there.
Knixkik@ 6/6/2017 4:07 PM
nixluva wrote:
PhilinLA wrote:I watched a lot of Kentucky. I think he's an undersized 2, and playing D will be a challenge for him, as will getting to mid range or to the rack, because he'll be defended by bigger stronger guys. He's a streaky 6th man type.
Monk will be guarding PG's. He's not going to be undersized at PG. Monk's ability Off the Ball will work well in the Triangle.
Right. Plus Monk is no less a PG than guys like Westbrook and Harden coming out of college. No he's not Wall or C Paul, but the talent is there. Those comparing him to Lou Williams or Crawford or someone like that don't realize the athletic ability or shooting ability he has. He is elite in both categories, whereas these elite 6th men aren't.
Kemet@ 6/6/2017 10:59 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:Liking the talk with Portland and possibly acquiring Harkless and a draft pick. He's long and defensive minded - could be a versatile 3 that could play with KP.
If Rubio is in play for C.Lee or some trade - would definitely go with Monk as our #8 pick
What would you guys think of this potential lineup - to me if would be a great start to rebuilding this team...
Assuming Lee used for trade Don't resign Rose (unless used for trading purposes) Melo trades still allow for us to obtain future picks If money's available and can resign J.Holiday - do it!
We would be better and play better defense - more balance and spacing. What do you guys think of this potential direction?
Great start to rebuilding as in the #1 pick next year?? This team wins 20-30 games
Thank u .. Rubio n Randle plus rookie Monk and Baker .. we talking 17 win season .. KP is not a winning player who score when we need a score nor rebound when we really need a rebound nor defend hard when we need a stop.
blkexec@ 6/13/2017 8:00 AM
I would love to draft Isaac and add Livingston.
That's 4-5 players 6'9 or taller. With agility and length....and everybody is a scoring threat.
