Knicks · Blasphemous concept of trading Willy....... (page 3)
newyorker4ever wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
If a big market team had all the good young players that the 76ers have, big name free agents wouldn't be as hard to get as they are for the 76ers. If they could get a couple of big name free agents to sign with them to be the leaders of a good young core like they have the 76ers would be a good team but because they're the 76ers they can't get any big name players to sign with them.
They haven't been targeting big name free agents. They haven't been targeting free agents at all until Colangelo assumed the helm this past offseason. Instead, the Sixers have used their cap space as a tool to accrue more draft picks and assets that are paired with contracts teams no longer want.
NardDogNation wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
If a big market team had all the good young players that the 76ers have, big name free agents wouldn't be as hard to get as they are for the 76ers. If they could get a couple of big name free agents to sign with them to be the leaders of a good young core like they have the 76ers would be a good team but because they're the 76ers they can't get any big name players to sign with them.
They haven't been targeting big name free agents. They haven't been targeting free agents at all until Colangelo assumed the helm this past offseason. Instead, the Sixers have used their cap space as a tool to accrue more draft picks and assets that are paired with contracts teams no longer want.
I was cool with Hinkies general idea. My only issue was no attempt at actually building a team. No reason to have drafted Embild, Noel and Okafor. Should have moved down during the Okafor draft if they wanted to maintain value and actually filled in needs.
NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.
newyorknewyork wrote:NardDogNation wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
If a big market team had all the good young players that the 76ers have, big name free agents wouldn't be as hard to get as they are for the 76ers. If they could get a couple of big name free agents to sign with them to be the leaders of a good young core like they have the 76ers would be a good team but because they're the 76ers they can't get any big name players to sign with them.
They haven't been targeting big name free agents. They haven't been targeting free agents at all until Colangelo assumed the helm this past offseason. Instead, the Sixers have used their cap space as a tool to accrue more draft picks and assets that are paired with contracts teams no longer want.
I was cool with Hinkies general idea. My only issue was no attempt at actually building a team. No reason to have drafted Embild, Noel and Okafor. Should have moved down during the Okafor draft if they wanted to maintain value and actually filled in needs.
I heard that the only reason Hinkie drafted Okafor, was because of ownerships demand to have sure-fire player and due to their desire to win now. It stands to reason that makes sense because Hinkie left later that season after they brought in the Colangelos and D'Antoni.
meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.
Who did the Sixers miss out on with their picks other than Okafor instead of Porzingis?
NardDogNation wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:NardDogNation wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
If a big market team had all the good young players that the 76ers have, big name free agents wouldn't be as hard to get as they are for the 76ers. If they could get a couple of big name free agents to sign with them to be the leaders of a good young core like they have the 76ers would be a good team but because they're the 76ers they can't get any big name players to sign with them.
They haven't been targeting big name free agents. They haven't been targeting free agents at all until Colangelo assumed the helm this past offseason. Instead, the Sixers have used their cap space as a tool to accrue more draft picks and assets that are paired with contracts teams no longer want.
I was cool with Hinkies general idea. My only issue was no attempt at actually building a team. No reason to have drafted Embild, Noel and Okafor. Should have moved down during the Okafor draft if they wanted to maintain value and actually filled in needs.
I heard that the only reason Hinkie drafted Okafor, was because of ownerships demand to have sure-fire player and due to their desire to win now. It stands to reason that makes sense because Hinkie left later that season after they brought in the Colangelos and D'Antoni.
Which is weird given the fact that Okafors flaws as an anti modern bball slow footed one dimensional Iso scorer completely goes against the analytic principals. But I think the Okafor pick and trading MCW for more draft picks rather than an in prime proven stud. But with them landing Simmons they have a player to now try and give them direction.
NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.
Who did the Sixers miss out on with their picks other than Okafor instead of Porzingis?
Not miss out. We were talking about TRADING the players they picked in a year or two see the bolded part for context.
newyorknewyork wrote:NardDogNation wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:NardDogNation wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
If a big market team had all the good young players that the 76ers have, big name free agents wouldn't be as hard to get as they are for the 76ers. If they could get a couple of big name free agents to sign with them to be the leaders of a good young core like they have the 76ers would be a good team but because they're the 76ers they can't get any big name players to sign with them.
They haven't been targeting big name free agents. They haven't been targeting free agents at all until Colangelo assumed the helm this past offseason. Instead, the Sixers have used their cap space as a tool to accrue more draft picks and assets that are paired with contracts teams no longer want.
I was cool with Hinkies general idea. My only issue was no attempt at actually building a team. No reason to have drafted Embild, Noel and Okafor. Should have moved down during the Okafor draft if they wanted to maintain value and actually filled in needs.
I heard that the only reason Hinkie drafted Okafor, was because of ownerships demand to have sure-fire player and due to their desire to win now. It stands to reason that makes sense because Hinkie left later that season after they brought in the Colangelos and D'Antoni.
Which is weird given the fact that Okafors flaws as an anti modern bball slow footed one dimensional Iso scorer completely goes against the analytic principals. But I think the Okafor pick and trading MCW for more draft picks rather than an in prime proven stud. But with them landing Simmons they have a player to now try and give them direction.
And as devout an analytics guy as Hinkie was, it makes it so much more unlikely that he freely made that pick. All in all, I think he did a good job with that franchise but never had the opportunity to see it through. But he got the right talent for the team (Embiid and Saric) and dumped those for better assets, who were not panning out (MCW for picks).
meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.
Who did the Sixers miss out on with their picks other than Okafor instead of Porzingis?
Not miss out. We were talking about TRADING the players they picked in a year or two see the bolded part for context.
There is no bolded part but I still don't see how anyone could have issue with dumping the likes of MCW and KJ McDaniels for picks. They weren't going to work out, so he cut ties with them ASAP for assets. I don't see the shame in that especially given the players left in their respective drafts made them the BPA.
NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.
Who did the Sixers miss out on with their picks other than Okafor instead of Porzingis?
Not miss out. We were talking about TRADING the players they picked in a year or two see the bolded part for context.
There is no bolded part but I still don't see how anyone could have issue with dumping the likes of MCW and KJ McDaniels for picks. They weren't going to work out, so he cut ties with them ASAP for assets. I don't see the shame in that especially given the players left in their respective drafts made them the BPA.
Noel and ET were picked top 2 and dumped as well. If that is how you want to build a team then we disagree.
meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.
Who did the Sixers miss out on with their picks other than Okafor instead of Porzingis?
Not miss out. We were talking about TRADING the players they picked in a year or two see the bolded part for context.
There is no bolded part but I still don't see how anyone could have issue with dumping the likes of MCW and KJ McDaniels for picks. They weren't going to work out, so he cut ties with them ASAP for assets. I don't see the shame in that especially given the players left in their respective drafts made them the BPA.
Noel and ET were picked top 2 and dumped as well. If that is how you want to build a team then we disagree.
Nerlens Noel was actually picked 6th and was dumped AFTER Hinkie was let go. Evan Turner was picked 2nd long before Hinkie was brought in and let go just before he became a free agent. I don't see uow either fits the criteria you are criticizing them by.
NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:5meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.
Who did the Sixers miss out on with their picks other than Okafor instead of Porzingis?
Not miss out. We were talking about : thev players they picked in a year or two see the bolded part for context.
There is no bolded part but I still don't see how anyone could have issue with dumping the likes of MCW and KJ McDaniels for picks. They weren't going to work out, so he cut ties with them ASAP for assets. I don't see the shame in that especially given the players left in their respective drafts made them the BPA.
Noel and ET were picked top 2 and dumped as well. If that is how you want to build a team then we disagree.
Nerlens Noel was actually picked 6th and was dumped AFTER Hinkie was let go. Evan Turner was picked 2nd long before Hinkie was brought in and let go just before he became a free agent. I don't see uow either fits the criteria you are criticizing them by.
I am criticizing the sixers, never said anything about Hinkie, that's how you reading something into my words that wasn't there. To repeat what I was saying- I am not a fan of picking players in the draft and letting them go 2-3 years later to then reset, rinse and repeat. Year from now they'll be trading Simmons and OK4
meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:5meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.
Who did the Sixers miss out on with their picks other than Okafor instead of Porzingis?
Not miss out. We were talking about : thev players they picked in a year or two see the bolded part for context.
There is no bolded part but I still don't see how anyone could have issue with dumping the likes of MCW and KJ McDaniels for picks. They weren't going to work out, so he cut ties with them ASAP for assets. I don't see the shame in that especially given the players left in their respective drafts made them the BPA.
Noel and ET were picked top 2 and dumped as well. If that is how you want to build a team then we disagree.
Nerlens Noel was actually picked 6th and was dumped AFTER Hinkie was let go. Evan Turner was picked 2nd long before Hinkie was brought in and let go just before he became a free agent. I don't see uow either fits the criteria you are criticizing them by.
I am criticizing the sixers, never said anything about Hinkie, that's how you reading something into my words that wasn't there. To repeat what I was saying- I am not a fan of picking players in the draft and letting them go 2-3 years later to then reset, rinse and repeat. Year from now they'll be trading Simmons and OK4
Well considering that I was the first person to introduce the 76ers (under Sam Hinkie) as an example of a well-run rebuilding team, I'm not sure why you'd be surprised that I still thought this was the context without you pointing out that you were changing the parameters for the discussion.
meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:5meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.
Who did the Sixers miss out on with their picks other than Okafor instead of Porzingis?
Not miss out. We were talking about : thev players they picked in a year or two see the bolded part for context.
There is no bolded part but I still don't see how anyone could have issue with dumping the likes of MCW and KJ McDaniels for picks. They weren't going to work out, so he cut ties with them ASAP for assets. I don't see the shame in that especially given the players left in their respective drafts made them the BPA.
Noel and ET were picked top 2 and dumped as well. If that is how you want to build a team then we disagree.
Nerlens Noel was actually picked 6th and was dumped AFTER Hinkie was let go. Evan Turner was picked 2nd long before Hinkie was brought in and let go just before he became a free agent. I don't see uow either fits the criteria you are criticizing them by.
I am criticizing the sixers, never said anything about Hinkie, that's how you reading something into my words that wasn't there. To repeat what I was saying- I am not a fan of picking players in the draft and letting them go 2-3 years later to then reset, rinse and repeat. Year from now they'll be trading Simmons and OK4
Has Simmons really been rumored in a trade? I have never heard or read anything other than how committed Philly is to Simmons. Okafor rumors are pretty common.
NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:5meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.
Who did the Sixers miss out on with their picks other than Okafor instead of Porzingis?
Not miss out. We were talking about : thev players they picked in a year or two see the bolded part for context.
There is no bolded part but I still don't see how anyone could have issue with dumping the likes of MCW and KJ McDaniels for picks. They weren't going to work out, so he cut ties with them ASAP for assets. I don't see the shame in that especially given the players left in their respective drafts made them the BPA.
Noel and ET were picked top 2 and dumped as well. If that is how you want to build a team then we disagree.
Nerlens Noel was actually picked 6th and was dumped AFTER Hinkie was let go. Evan Turner was picked 2nd long before Hinkie was brought in and let go just before he became a free agent. I don't see uow either fits the criteria you are criticizing them by.
I am criticizing the sixers, never said anything about Hinkie, that's how you reading something into my words that wasn't there. To repeat what I was saying- I am not a fan of picking players in the draft and letting them go 2-3 years later to then reset, rinse and repeat. Year from now they'll be trading Simmons and OK4
Well considering that I was the first person to introduce the 76ers (under Sam Hinkie) as an example of a well-run rebuilding team, I'm not sure why you'd be surprised that I still thought this was the context without you pointing out that you were changing the parameters for the discussion.
Dude you have completely lost me. I responded to a post by Knixkik, you jumped into the thread and stayed defending Hinkie without anybody ever having said anything. I think you have this thing ass backwards.
meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:5meloshouldgo wrote:NardDogNation wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.
What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).
They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.
Who did the Sixers miss out on with their picks other than Okafor instead of Porzingis?
Not miss out. We were talking about : thev players they picked in a year or two see the bolded part for context.
There is no bolded part but I still don't see how anyone could have issue with dumping the likes of MCW and KJ McDaniels for picks. They weren't going to work out, so he cut ties with them ASAP for assets. I don't see the shame in that especially given the players left in their respective drafts made them the BPA.
Noel and ET were picked top 2 and dumped as well. If that is how you want to build a team then we disagree.
Nerlens Noel was actually picked 6th and was dumped AFTER Hinkie was let go. Evan Turner was picked 2nd long before Hinkie was brought in and let go just before he became a free agent. I don't see uow either fits the criteria you are criticizing them by.
I am criticizing the sixers, never said anything about Hinkie, that's how you reading something into my words that wasn't there. To repeat what I was saying- I am not a fan of picking players in the draft and letting them go 2-3 years later to then reset, rinse and repeat. Year from now they'll be trading Simmons and OK4
Well considering that I was the first person to introduce the 76ers (under Sam Hinkie) as an example of a well-run rebuilding team, I'm not sure why you'd be surprised that I still thought this was the context without you pointing out that you were changing the parameters for the discussion.
Dude you have completely lost me. I responded to a post by Knixkik, you jumped into the thread and stayed defending Hinkie without anybody ever having said anything. I think you have this thing ass backwards.
Yeah, you're right. You had mentioned the Sixers before I started talking about Hinkie. My bad.
One man's opinion.
Melo n KP performance would be on my must trade list .. what fans see in their performance has me scratching my head after every Knicks loss the past two seasons.
The 76ers has the 3rd pick plus 4 2nd round picks in a long potential 2017 draft class.
The 76ers first 2 picks should be Point-Guards to lead the team.
Trading Okafor plus 2 2nd round picks on draft night for a veteran starter SF or SG (Denvers Wilson Chandler or Faried)
Paris907 wrote:The game and the league are changing at such a pace that the issue of how will the front court players play against a team that poses speed and size and 3 point mastery. I.e. GSW. Billy can get his body fat down to 5% but how will he matchup against PF if KP plays stretch 5? Our SF needs To be a 2 way superior athlete with a stroke.
The Game DON'T change .. the NBA Game has evolve into so many types of winning systems.
The NBA had a lot of speedy uptempo teams back in the 60's 70's and 80's, the winning teams back then (Magic n Bird) had two dynamic systems in their rotation uptempo and half-court system.
Plus in 1976 offseason when the uptempo ABA league joined the NBA, the majority of the ABA teams were speedy SSOL teams.
A lot of new NBA fans never seen real speed on the court until they get a old video of a 6.9 PG Magic Johnson leading a fast-break, or watching Magic grab a defensive-rebound and throw a direct lob-pass to Cooper or Worthy to score within 3 second later, or watching Magic long legs dribble the ball down court having great passing-skills so the Lakers could score within six seconds.
What enlighten so many fans were 40 yr old Kareem Abdul Jabbar were still shooting 80% on his hook shot, plus blocking/intimidating opponents shots 15 ft from basket, plus 40 yr old Kareem never had to run back on defense or offense having Magic leadership dictating teammates performance.
MJ tried everything to be like Magic n Bird all-around high IQ 5 position performance .. MJ couldn't do it! So MJ hooked-up with Pippin to become the best all-around same-page tandem to hit the court of basketball.
MJ n Pippin could repeat any teams system an opponent came up with plus do it better.
All the talk about a Triangle-offense were to hype up Phil Jackson coaching, when MJ n Pippin creative athletic talent as a tandem did the impossible game after game or series after series changing tactics like they change sneakers.