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Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

...the Celtics have NEVER been in a position to draft a superstar, so I'm not sure how you can be critical of Ainge's draft record. With the no.3 pick in this year's draft as well as the Nets pick AND Lakers pick next season, that will likely change.

ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

i dont think we are in a position to criticize ainge. Boston already has a playoff team. They won the lottery this year and gained more lotto picks. They might win the lottery next year too. Yes its true they might not his a homer in all their selections BUT they are in a damn good position....id love to be in their position

They will add 3 more high lottery picks to a core that was first in the eastern conference, they are light years ahead of us. Everyone seem to believe Porzingis is a franchise cornerstone while he is a nice piece he is more of the sidekick not the focal point. Im hoping we get the 3rd wheelin this draft and tank hard to get the ball dominant guard we need next season

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

i dont think we are in a position to criticize ainge. Boston already has a playoff team. They won the lottery this year and gained more lotto picks. They might win the lottery next year too. Yes its true they might not his a homer in all their selections BUT they are in a damn good position....id love to be in their position

Jmpasq wrote:They will add 3 more high lottery picks to a core that was first in the eastern conference, they are light years ahead of us. Everyone seem to believe Porzingis is a franchise cornerstone while he is a nice piece he is more of the sidekick not the focal point. Im hoping we get the 3rd wheelin this draft and tank hard to get the ball dominant guard we need next season

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

i dont think we are in a position to criticize ainge. Boston already has a playoff team. They won the lottery this year and gained more lotto picks. They might win the lottery next year too. Yes its true they might not his a homer in all their selections BUT they are in a damn good position....id love to be in their position

i agree about boston being light years ahead. HOWEVER i do think KP has what it takes to be a star but he cant do it alone. We desperately need to win thr lottery next year or be in the top 3

I think KP is more an All Star level player not a an All NBA player, thats still a nice start, but this league isnt driven by bigs who cant create on their own. Look at Anthony Davis who is a much better player than KP. To win in this league you need ball dominate guards or wings that can create for themselves and others. KP is a nice wing man but he isnt generating offense for his teammates

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:They will add 3 more high lottery picks to a core that was first in the eastern conference, they are light years ahead of us. Everyone seem to believe Porzingis is a franchise cornerstone while he is a nice piece he is more of the sidekick not the focal point. Im hoping we get the 3rd wheelin this draft and tank hard to get the ball dominant guard we need next season

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

i dont think we are in a position to criticize ainge. Boston already has a playoff team. They won the lottery this year and gained more lotto picks. They might win the lottery next year too. Yes its true they might not his a homer in all their selections BUT they are in a damn good position....id love to be in their position

i agree about boston being light years ahead. HOWEVER i do think KP has what it takes to be a star but he cant do it alone. We desperately need to win thr lottery next year or be in the top 3

Jmpasq wrote:I think KP is more an All Star level player not a an All NBA player, thats still a nice start, but this league isnt driven by bigs who cant create on their own. Look at Anthony Davis who is a much better player than KP. To win in this league you need ball dominate guards or wings that can create for themselves and others. KP is a nice wing man but he isnt generating offense for his teammates

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:They will add 3 more high lottery picks to a core that was first in the eastern conference, they are light years ahead of us. Everyone seem to believe Porzingis is a franchise cornerstone while he is a nice piece he is more of the sidekick not the focal point. Im hoping we get the 3rd wheelin this draft and tank hard to get the ball dominant guard we need next season

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

i dont think we are in a position to criticize ainge. Boston already has a playoff team. They won the lottery this year and gained more lotto picks. They might win the lottery next year too. Yes its true they might not his a homer in all their selections BUT they are in a damn good position....id love to be in their position

i agree about boston being light years ahead. HOWEVER i do think KP has what it takes to be a star but he cant do it alone. We desperately need to win thr lottery next year or be in the top 3

KP is 21 and ahead of schedule based on what was expected of him when he was drafted!!! Let's keep that in mind when discussing KP. KP's biggest issue is getting stronger. I have no doubt he'll refine his skills. More importantly as a 7-3 player it's not realistic to expect KP to create on his own all the time. He needs quality perimeter players to get him the ball.

Phil's stated goals are to bring in talent at PG, SF and SG. This draft is RICH with talent at those positions. It's up to Phil to get the right players. In any event this process is going to move on the Knicks own timeline. They can't worry about what stage Boston or Philly are at. Clearly those teams are further along in their process but the Knicks need only worry about their own business.

nixluva wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I think KP is more an All Star level player not a an All NBA player, thats still a nice start, but this league isnt driven by bigs who cant create on their own. Look at Anthony Davis who is a much better player than KP. To win in this league you need ball dominate guards or wings that can create for themselves and others. KP is a nice wing man but he isnt generating offense for his teammates

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:They will add 3 more high lottery picks to a core that was first in the eastern conference, they are light years ahead of us. Everyone seem to believe Porzingis is a franchise cornerstone while he is a nice piece he is more of the sidekick not the focal point. Im hoping we get the 3rd wheelin this draft and tank hard to get the ball dominant guard we need next season

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

i dont think we are in a position to criticize ainge. Boston already has a playoff team. They won the lottery this year and gained more lotto picks. They might win the lottery next year too. Yes its true they might not his a homer in all their selections BUT they are in a damn good position....id love to be in their position

i agree about boston being light years ahead. HOWEVER i do think KP has what it takes to be a star but he cant do it alone. We desperately need to win thr lottery next year or be in the top 3

KP is 21 and ahead of schedule based on what was expected of him when he was drafted!!! Let's keep that in mind when discussing KP. KP's biggest issue is getting stronger. I have no doubt he'll refine his skills. More importantly as a 7-3 player it's not realistic to expect KP to create on his own all the time. He needs quality perimeter players to get him the ball.

Phil's stated goals are to bring in talent at PG, SF and SG. This draft is RICH with talent at those positions. It's up to Phil to get the right players. In any event this process is going to move on the Knicks own timeline. They can't worry about what stage Boston or Philly are at. Clearly those teams are further along in their process but the Knicks need only worry about their own business.

Was going to write something to that effect. We need a PG who will get KP the ball where he likes it. Who will actually pass to him on a regular basis. Porzingis didn't have that last season from the starting PG. Part of it has to be a PG who wants to form a successful tandem, who doesnt want to be just a one man show. Most big men HOFers had a PG who did a good job of sharing the the rock.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

i dont think we are in a position to criticize ainge. Boston already has a playoff team. They won the lottery this year and gained more lotto picks. They might win the lottery next year too. Yes its true they might not his a homer in all their selections BUT they are in a damn good position....id love to be in their position

I give Ainge his credit...what I am saying is that Boston has had a slew of picks some top 5 or 10...he has not been able to convert them to a big time player...he got the IT guy...he was gifted Garnett....he may get a J. Butler this year but he will be doing a Melo circa 2011 ..hand over wife kids and family dog deal to CHI....his best move by far is Brad Stevens...without that guy they are a middling team...

Are they in a better position because the picks yes...I am saying once they draft the players they had....I am not so sure....us with those picks with Gaines and the staff doing talent assessment I believe would have made better choices...name one guy aside from Jaylen brown Ainge drafted last year..

nixluva wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I think KP is more an All Star level player not a an All NBA player, thats still a nice start, but this league isnt driven by bigs who cant create on their own. Look at Anthony Davis who is a much better player than KP. To win in this league you need ball dominate guards or wings that can create for themselves and others. KP is a nice wing man but he isnt generating offense for his teammates

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:They will add 3 more high lottery picks to a core that was first in the eastern conference, they are light years ahead of us. Everyone seem to believe Porzingis is a franchise cornerstone while he is a nice piece he is more of the sidekick not the focal point. Im hoping we get the 3rd wheelin this draft and tank hard to get the ball dominant guard we need next season

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

i dont think we are in a position to criticize ainge. Boston already has a playoff team. They won the lottery this year and gained more lotto picks. They might win the lottery next year too. Yes its true they might not his a homer in all their selections BUT they are in a damn good position....id love to be in their position

i agree about boston being light years ahead. HOWEVER i do think KP has what it takes to be a star but he cant do it alone. We desperately need to win thr lottery next year or be in the top 3

KP is 21 and ahead of schedule based on what was expected of him when he was drafted!!! Let's keep that in mind when discussing KP. KP's biggest issue is getting stronger. I have no doubt he'll refine his skills. More importantly as a 7-3 player it's not realistic to expect KP to create on his own all the time. He needs quality perimeter players to get him the ball.

Phil's stated goals are to bring in talent at PG, SF and SG. This draft is RICH with talent at those positions. It's up to Phil to get the right players. In any event this process is going to move on the Knicks own timeline. They can't worry about what stage Boston or Philly are at. Clearly those teams are further along in their process but the Knicks need only worry about their own business.

Agreed and well said. This draft was already shaping up as a important one for us and with these moves, it now becomes critical. All 3 picks have to hit within a couple of years. I wouldn't even be upset if our record didn't improve, as long as it was clear we were on our way,that our pieces fit, but just need more time.

ekstarks94 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

i dont think we are in a position to criticize ainge. Boston already has a playoff team. They won the lottery this year and gained more lotto picks. They might win the lottery next year too. Yes its true they might not his a homer in all their selections BUT they are in a damn good position....id love to be in their position

I give Ainge his credit...what I am saying is that Boston has had a slew of picks some top 5 or 10...he has not been able to convert them to a big time player...he got the IT guy...he was gifted Garnett....he may get a J. Butler this year but he will be doing a Melo circa 2011 ..hand over wife kids and family dog deal to CHI....his best move by far is Brad Stevens...without that guy they are a middling team...

Are they in a better position because the picks yes...I am saying once they draft the players they had....I am not so sure....us with those picks with Gaines and the staff doing talent assessment I believe would have made better choices...name one guy aside from Jaylen brown Ainge drafted last year..

You gotta go through Ainge's picks and see who he passed on that ended up being big time players before you can make that statement. If he had pick number #10 for example and it didn't result in a big time player but there were no big time players available after that pick, how is that a reflection on Ainge?

These are his bad picks in the top 10 from what I can tell:

2006 #7 Randy Foye (who he flipped in Sebastian Telfair) over #8 Rudy Gay
2007 #5 Jeff Green over #10 Joakim Noah
2014 #6 Marcus Smart over #7 Julius Randle and #13 Zach Lavine (not sure I consider that a bad pick yet)
2016 #3 Jaylen Brown over ______(too early to tell but it appears to be a relatively weak draft)

However, he also did the following:

2004 #15 Al Jefferson who he turned into Kevin Garnett and a championship
2006 made a draft day trade with Phoenix turning this future 2007 1st round pick (who ended being Rudy Fernandez) into Rajon Rondo and a championship.

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I think KP is more an All Star level player not a an All NBA player, thats still a nice start, but this league isnt driven by bigs who cant create on their own. Look at Anthony Davis who is a much better player than KP. To win in this league you need ball dominate guards or wings that can create for themselves and others. KP is a nice wing man but he isnt generating offense for his teammates

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:They will add 3 more high lottery picks to a core that was first in the eastern conference, they are light years ahead of us. Everyone seem to believe Porzingis is a franchise cornerstone while he is a nice piece he is more of the sidekick not the focal point. Im hoping we get the 3rd wheelin this draft and tank hard to get the ball dominant guard we need next season

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

i dont think we are in a position to criticize ainge. Boston already has a playoff team. They won the lottery this year and gained more lotto picks. They might win the lottery next year too. Yes its true they might not his a homer in all their selections BUT they are in a damn good position....id love to be in their position

i agree about boston being light years ahead. HOWEVER i do think KP has what it takes to be a star but he cant do it alone. We desperately need to win thr lottery next year or be in the top 3

KP is 21 and ahead of schedule based on what was expected of him when he was drafted!!! Let's keep that in mind when discussing KP. KP's biggest issue is getting stronger. I have no doubt he'll refine his skills. More importantly as a 7-3 player it's not realistic to expect KP to create on his own all the time. He needs quality perimeter players to get him the ball.

Phil's stated goals are to bring in talent at PG, SF and SG. This draft is RICH with talent at those positions. It's up to Phil to get the right players. In any event this process is going to move on the Knicks own timeline. They can't worry about what stage Boston or Philly are at. Clearly those teams are further along in their process but the Knicks need only worry about their own business.

Was going to write something to that effect. We need a PG who will get KP the ball where he likes it. Who will actually pass to him on a regular basis. Porzingis didn't have that last season from the starting PG. Part of it has to be a PG who wants to form a successful tandem, who doesnt want to be just a one man show. Most big men HOFers had a PG who did a good job of sharing the the rock.

This is the CRUX of the Draft for the Knicks. Get the PG this team needs. Make sure the team gets the kind of 2 Way players they need. Team Oriented players that share the ball etc.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I think KP is more an All Star level player not a an All NBA player, thats still a nice start, but this league isnt driven by bigs who cant create on their own. Look at Anthony Davis who is a much better player than KP. To win in this league you need ball dominate guards or wings that can create for themselves and others. KP is a nice wing man but he isnt generating offense for his teammates

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:They will add 3 more high lottery picks to a core that was first in the eastern conference, they are light years ahead of us. Everyone seem to believe Porzingis is a franchise cornerstone while he is a nice piece he is more of the sidekick not the focal point. Im hoping we get the 3rd wheelin this draft and tank hard to get the ball dominant guard we need next season

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

i dont think we are in a position to criticize ainge. Boston already has a playoff team. They won the lottery this year and gained more lotto picks. They might win the lottery next year too. Yes its true they might not his a homer in all their selections BUT they are in a damn good position....id love to be in their position

i agree about boston being light years ahead. HOWEVER i do think KP has what it takes to be a star but he cant do it alone. We desperately need to win thr lottery next year or be in the top 3

KP is 21 and ahead of schedule based on what was expected of him when he was drafted!!! Let's keep that in mind when discussing KP. KP's biggest issue is getting stronger. I have no doubt he'll refine his skills. More importantly as a 7-3 player it's not realistic to expect KP to create on his own all the time. He needs quality perimeter players to get him the ball.

Phil's stated goals are to bring in talent at PG, SF and SG. This draft is RICH with talent at those positions. It's up to Phil to get the right players. In any event this process is going to move on the Knicks own timeline. They can't worry about what stage Boston or Philly are at. Clearly those teams are further along in their process but the Knicks need only worry about their own business.

Was going to write something to that effect. We need a PG who will get KP the ball where he likes it. Who will actually pass to him on a regular basis. Porzingis didn't have that last season from the starting PG. Part of it has to be a PG who wants to form a successful tandem, who doesnt want to be just a one man show. Most big men HOFers had a PG who did a good job of sharing the the rock.

This is the CRUX of the Draft for the Knicks. Get the PG this team needs. Make sure the team gets the kind of 2 Way players they need. Team Oriented players that share the ball etc.

Which is why I find it confusing so many people are still against Frank.

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

thanks for this. Maybe you should take up a good drug habit to pass that time?

Dopey move. Boston has a collection of nice talent but no star. IThomas is the closest, he's got defensive limitations and his size gives him a shorter shelf life (no pun intended). They should have taken Fultz. He's the only star. Jackson is great and likely so is Ball but this is dumb.

fishmike wrote:Dopey move. Boston has a collection of nice talent but no star. IThomas is the closest, he's got defensive limitations and his size gives him a shorter shelf life (no pun intended). They should have taken Fultz. He's the only star. Jackson is great and likely so is Ball but this is dumb.

Not sure I agree. Of course depends on fultz

Given all of their stashed picks and future picks I agree it was dumb to trade for more.

Really surprised he could not convert to an established all
Star

so it's not a popular opinion but I am not all that hyped about Fultz... he looks good but his team accomplished little (also why I'm not so hyped about Smith). I also think Josh Jackson looks like he belongs in the NBA. I really think Jasckson has the best shot of being an NBA star in this draft. Assuming that Celtics share this view, I think they did excellent by picking up an asset and drafting someone like Jackson, who I think will be the best player in the draft

Knicks67 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I think KP is more an All Star level player not a an All NBA player, thats still a nice start, but this league isnt driven by bigs who cant create on their own. Look at Anthony Davis who is a much better player than KP. To win in this league you need ball dominate guards or wings that can create for themselves and others. KP is a nice wing man but he isnt generating offense for his teammates

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:They will add 3 more high lottery picks to a core that was first in the eastern conference, they are light years ahead of us. Everyone seem to believe Porzingis is a franchise cornerstone while he is a nice piece he is more of the sidekick not the focal point. Im hoping we get the 3rd wheelin this draft and tank hard to get the ball dominant guard we need next season

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
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So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

i dont think we are in a position to criticize ainge. Boston already has a playoff team. They won the lottery this year and gained more lotto picks. They might win the lottery next year too. Yes its true they might not his a homer in all their selections BUT they are in a damn good position....id love to be in their position

i agree about boston being light years ahead. HOWEVER i do think KP has what it takes to be a star but he cant do it alone. We desperately need to win thr lottery next year or be in the top 3

KP is 21 and ahead of schedule based on what was expected of him when he was drafted!!! Let's keep that in mind when discussing KP. KP's biggest issue is getting stronger. I have no doubt he'll refine his skills. More importantly as a 7-3 player it's not realistic to expect KP to create on his own all the time. He needs quality perimeter players to get him the ball.

Phil's stated goals are to bring in talent at PG, SF and SG. This draft is RICH with talent at those positions. It's up to Phil to get the right players. In any event this process is going to move on the Knicks own timeline. They can't worry about what stage Boston or Philly are at. Clearly those teams are further along in their process but the Knicks need only worry about their own business.

Was going to write something to that effect. We need a PG who will get KP the ball where he likes it. Who will actually pass to him on a regular basis. Porzingis didn't have that last season from the starting PG. Part of it has to be a PG who wants to form a successful tandem, who doesnt want to be just a one man show. Most big men HOFers had a PG who did a good job of sharing the the rock.

This is the CRUX of the Draft for the Knicks. Get the PG this team needs. Make sure the team gets the kind of 2 Way players they need. Team Oriented players that share the ball etc.

Which is why I find it confusing so many people are still against Frank.

After the first three everybody has major question marks in their game. You can easily justify for or against every player outside of the top three. Plus almost nobody here had even heard of Frank before 30-60 days ago.

Welpee wrote:

Knicks67 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I think KP is more an All Star level player not a an All NBA player, thats still a nice start, but this league isnt driven by bigs who cant create on their own. Look at Anthony Davis who is a much better player than KP. To win in this league you need ball dominate guards or wings that can create for themselves and others. KP is a nice wing man but he isnt generating offense for his teammates

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:They will add 3 more high lottery picks to a core that was first in the eastern conference, they are light years ahead of us. Everyone seem to believe Porzingis is a franchise cornerstone while he is a nice piece he is more of the sidekick not the focal point. Im hoping we get the 3rd wheelin this draft and tank hard to get the ball dominant guard we need next season

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Ainge will flip 3 for 5 and 10 get Tatum and Markanan and grab another future top 5 pick from the Kings. This is so depressing it really puts into perspective how we have no chance of becoming a competitive team for the next 5 years. Look around the league even the bad teams have way more building blocks than us, we are a disaster

GustavBahler wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-put...

Danny Ainge is revered in Boston. He’s not on Bill Belichick’s level – but he’s next in line. The Celtics president engineered the trades that delivered banner No. 17 and has presided over one of the most impressive rebuilding efforts anywhere, ever.

And in one move – the agreed-upon deal that will send the No. 1 pick to Philadelphia in a package for two high first-rounders – he has put all that goodwill on the table.

Look: There’s no such thing as a sure thing. Kwame Brown was a stud, Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, Anthony Bennett was an imposing scorer. Projecting the future of 20-year-olds (or younger) is an inexact science. And Markelle Fultz – a late bloomer who didn’t play high school varsity until his junior season and didn’t become the guy until he got to Washington – may be more unpredictable than others.

And yet – few think so. NBA executives seem sold on Fultz. “Flat-out stud,” one exec texted late Friday, when news first broke of Boston’s interest in trading the pick. “Transformative player,” texted another. The Vertical Front-Office Insider Bobby Marks – a longtime executive with the Nets – tweeted there was a “clear separation” between the first and third picks. DraftExpress’ Jonathan Givony tweeted that there is a “big downgrade” going from first to third.

Boston made the deal … for what? A cleaner shot at Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum, two players who play the same position as last year’s first-rounder, Jaylen Brown, who was selected No. 3 overall? A chance to hoodwink Jackson-starved Sacramento into flipping the fifth and 10th pick for No. 3?

Is a blockbuster, player-heavy deal in the offing? As of now, league sources told The Vertical that isn’t the case. Boston – everyone, really – would love to get its hands on Anthony Davis. But Davis is tied to a manageable contract through 2021, and the Pelicans appear committed to giving the Davis-DeMarcus Cousins pairing a full season together.

Jimmy Butler? Boston’s already overflowing chest of assets should have been enough for the Celtics to make a competitive offer. Paul George? With no guarantee of re-signing, any offer, Boston’s included, will be quarters on the dollar.

Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)View photos
Markelle Fultz is viewed as the prize of Thursday’s draft. (AP)
More
So what gives? Theories abound. Clearly, Ainge wasn’t as impressed with Fultz as others. But why? The “they have too many guards anyway” argument is foolish. If a franchise guard is available, you don’t punt because you like Terry Rozier’s upside. One GM hypothesized that Boston didn’t think a Fultz-Isaiah Thomas pairing would work. Fine. But if Fultz develops into a 10-time All-Star, fretting over backcourt chemistry will seem silly.

Painful, too. Fultz won’t be playing in the Western Conference. He’ll be in Philly, in Boston’s division, right in the I-95 corridor. Celtics fans will get an eyeful of Fultz three or four times a year. Eventually, Fultz and Co. will be a playoff rival.

Have you seen the Sixers’ roster? Joel Embiid is one healthy season from being a regular MVP candidate. Dario Saric joined him on the list of finalists for Rookie of the Year. Ben Simmons is perhaps the most hyped prospect since LeBron James. The Sixers have been steadfast with plans to make the almost 7-foot Simmons a point guard next season. They need shooting at other positions. Fultz, a 41.3 percent 3-point shooter last season at Washington, fits the bill.

“I play with great players all the time, so whatever [Simmons] needs me to do,” Fultz told reporters in Philadelphia on Saturday. “If I’m running the floor or I’m setting the screen for him or giving it back, it doesn’t matter. I’ll be a great teammate. If that’s me on the bench clapping for him, it doesn’t matter to me.”

If healthy, Philadelphia has a playoff team next season. In three years, it’s a conference title contender.

Will it be led by Fultz? That question hangs over Ainge like an anvil. Trading top overall picks is rare. Cleveland did it in 2014, moving Andrew Wiggins with LeBron James returning and the franchise in win-now mode. The Magic flipped Chris Webber in ’92 for the third pick, Penny Hardaway. That worked out – Orlando was in the Finals two years later. In ’86, the Sixers handed the rights to draft Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson and a bag of cash. That didn’t – Hinson lasted a season and a half in Philadelphia.

Legacies are defined by deals like this. Ainge’s will be, too. His executive career is now intertwined with Fultz’s playing one, forever linked. The gambling executive just placed his biggest bet, against a player few around the league would bet against.

We have one thing that Ainge with all its picks have been looking for which is a budding franchise talent....with the picks Boston has had over the years none of them have stepped up. That is why he is one the Jimmy Butler chase. Smart, Olynk, etc are all nice players but none has taken the next step and even shown superstar flashes..KP has and even with all those high picks over the years...u telling me that Smart and Olynk is your haul...

People forget...it is not having the pick....it is the selection...which in my opinion with less top picks in the last 2 yrs we have more to show....are you want to trade places with Ainge and take the picks but pay Smart and Olynk 80-100 mill a piece???

i dont think we are in a position to criticize ainge. Boston already has a playoff team. They won the lottery this year and gained more lotto picks. They might win the lottery next year too. Yes its true they might not his a homer in all their selections BUT they are in a damn good position....id love to be in their position

i agree about boston being light years ahead. HOWEVER i do think KP has what it takes to be a star but he cant do it alone. We desperately need to win thr lottery next year or be in the top 3

KP is 21 and ahead of schedule based on what was expected of him when he was drafted!!! Let's keep that in mind when discussing KP. KP's biggest issue is getting stronger. I have no doubt he'll refine his skills. More importantly as a 7-3 player it's not realistic to expect KP to create on his own all the time. He needs quality perimeter players to get him the ball.

Phil's stated goals are to bring in talent at PG, SF and SG. This draft is RICH with talent at those positions. It's up to Phil to get the right players. In any event this process is going to move on the Knicks own timeline. They can't worry about what stage Boston or Philly are at. Clearly those teams are further along in their process but the Knicks need only worry about their own business.

Was going to write something to that effect. We need a PG who will get KP the ball where he likes it. Who will actually pass to him on a regular basis. Porzingis didn't have that last season from the starting PG. Part of it has to be a PG who wants to form a successful tandem, who doesnt want to be just a one man show. Most big men HOFers had a PG who did a good job of sharing the the rock.

This is the CRUX of the Draft for the Knicks. Get the PG this team needs. Make sure the team gets the kind of 2 Way players they need. Team Oriented players that share the ball etc.

Which is why I find it confusing so many people are still against Frank.

After the first three everybody has major question marks in their game. You can easily justify for or against every player outside of the top three. Plus almost nobody here had even heard of Frank before 30-60 days ago.

Ntilikina has been the top internation prospect since last year when he exploded to take over the U18 euro championship for France. He's been on a radar for awhile.