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GustavBahler @ 6/19/2017 6:29 PM

He has Monk taking a big drop, and the Knicks passing up on Dennis Smith jr. to take Frank N. Really hope that wont be the case.

1. Philadelphia 76ers - Markelle Fultz

2. L.A. Lakers - Lonzo Ball

3. Boston Celtics - Josh Jackson

4. Phoenix Suns - Jayson Tatum

5. Sacramento Kings - De'Aaron Fox

6. Orlando Magic - Jonathan Isaac

7. Minnesota Timberwolves - Lauri Markkanen

8. New York Knicks - Frank Ntilikina

9. Dallas Mavericks - Dennis Smith

10. Sacramento Kings (via Pelicans) - Zach Collins

11. Charlotte Hornets - Malik Monk

12. Detroit Pistons - Luke Kennard

13. Denver Nuggets - OG Anunoby

14. Miami Heat - Donovan Mitchell

15. Portland Trail Blazers - Harry Giles

16. Chicago Bulls - John Collins

17. Milwaukee Bucks - Ike Anigbogu

18. Indiana Pacers - TJ Leaf

19. Atlanta Hawks - Justin Patton

20. Portland Trail Blazers - Edrice Adebayo

21. Oklahoma City Thunder - Justin Jackson

22. Brooklyn Nets - Andzejs Pasecniks

23. Toronto Raptors - Jonah Bolden

24. Utah Jazz - Tony Bradley

25. Orlando Magic - Jarrett Allen

26. Portland Trail Blazers - Isaiah Hartenstein

27. Brooklyn Nets - Terrance Ferguson

28. Los Angeles Lakers - D.J. Wilson

29. San Antonio Spurs - Josh Hart

30. Utah Jazz - Tyler Lydon

CrushAlot @ 6/19/2017 6:44 PM

Draft net updated their mock today. They have Smith 7, Frank 8, Monk 9.

GustavBahler @ 6/19/2017 7:32 PM

They just did a profile of Frank on Sportscenter. They focused mostly on his D, his wingspan. His percentages on offense they posted looked better, although Im surprised that someone with his wingspan only averages 2 rebounds a game.

newyorknewyork @ 6/19/2017 8:07 PM

I really don't get why Dennis Smith is projected to fall even to 8. He has to have some serious red flags. He is a major talent in one of the most critical positions in the NBA. His workouts should be pushing him in the top 4 range given his talent, build, production.

So why is he not viewed as such?

BigDaddyG @ 6/19/2017 8:14 PM

Ahh, just noticed Ford pushed Hart into the lottery. I hold out hope tgat we can grab him ar #44. Truth be told, the spurs are a better landi g spot for him.

CrushAlot @ 6/19/2017 8:20 PM

BigDaddyG wrote:Ahh, just noticed Ford pushed Hart into the lottery. I hold out hope tgat we can grab him ar #44. Truth be told, the spurs are a better landi g spot for him.

I didn't notice that he has him at 29. Hart canceled his workout with the Knicks. Maybe he has a promise.

reub @ 6/19/2017 8:34 PM

newyorknewyork wrote:I really don't get why Dennis Smith is projected to fall even to 8. He has to have some serious red flags. He is a major talent in one of the most critical positions in the NBA. His workouts should be pushing him in the top 4 range given his talent, build, production.
So why is he not viewed as such?

There are at least 10 guys with major talent in this draft. That's why.

CrushAlot @ 6/19/2017 8:44 PM

reub wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I really don't get why Dennis Smith is projected to fall even to 8. He has to have some serious red flags. He is a major talent in one of the most critical positions in the NBA. His workouts should be pushing him in the top 4 range given his talent, build, production.
So why is he not viewed as such?
There are at least 10 guys with major talent in this draft. That's why.

I think there is a really good chance he goes by 6. He canceled his workout with the Knicks after working out with Orlando. I think Orlando takes him unless Isaac is there.

Knixkik @ 6/19/2017 8:45 PM

reub wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I really don't get why Dennis Smith is projected to fall even to 8. He has to have some serious red flags. He is a major talent in one of the most critical positions in the NBA. His workouts should be pushing him in the top 4 range given his talent, build, production.
So why is he not viewed as such?
There are at least 10 guys with major talent in this draft. That's why.

Exactly. You have 10 guys with legit star talent. Someone will have to go 9 and 10. Let's hope we get the right one at 8.

EnySpree @ 6/19/2017 8:46 PM

newyorknewyork wrote:I really don't get why Dennis Smith is projected to fall even to 8. He has to have some serious red flags. He is a major talent in one of the most critical positions in the NBA. His workouts should be pushing him in the top 4 range given his talent, build, production.
So why is he not viewed as such?

Because you are talking about the opinion of a sports writer. These guys only go with popular opinion and they are always wrong.

Dennis Smith killed the Orlando workout. He's not getting past them. Orlando has plenty of forwards. They aren't going to draft another. Especially after benching Payton. Sacramento needs a point guard. If Dennis Smith is there it's hard to see them pass him by. Sacramento has young forwards on the team.

Minnesota is not drafting a point guard, they just aren't after drafting Dunn last year. Yet nbadraft.Net has Minnesota drafting Smith with a need at forward.

I value your opinion more than these writer driven sites

newyorknewyork @ 6/19/2017 9:08 PM

EnySpree wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I really don't get why Dennis Smith is projected to fall even to 8. He has to have some serious red flags. He is a major talent in one of the most critical positions in the NBA. His workouts should be pushing him in the top 4 range given his talent, build, production.
So why is he not viewed as such?
Because you are talking about the opinion of a sports writer. These guys only go with popular opinion and they are always wrong.
Dennis Smith killed the Orlando workout. He's not getting past them. Orlando has plenty of forwards. They aren't going to draft another. Especially after benching Payton. Sacramento needs a point guard. If Dennis Smith is there it's hard to see them pass him by. Sacramento has young forwards on the team.
Minnesota is not drafting a point guard, they just aren't after drafting Dunn last year. Yet nbadraft.Net has Minnesota drafting Smith with a need at forward.
I value your opinion more than these writer driven sites

On a side note I was looking at that prospect Bolden that you brought up and we have to net that guy lol.

BigDaddyG @ 6/19/2017 9:16 PM

CrushAlot wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Ahh, just noticed Ford pushed Hart into the lottery. I hold out hope tgat we can grab him ar #44. Truth be told, the spurs are a better landi g spot for him.

I didn't notice that he has him at 29. Hart canceled his workout with the Knicks. Maybe he has a promise.

Im really disappointed. There are other players tho. I thought Semi would rise in rd 1, but there's a decent chance he'll slide. Probably not to us. Frank Mason and Sindarius thornwell will still be there, hopefully..

anrst @ 6/19/2017 9:18 PM

i dunno how anyone picks Frank over Monk or Smith. Ridiculous.

Knixkik @ 6/19/2017 10:36 PM

anrst wrote:i dunno how anyone picks Frank over Monk or Smith. Ridiculous.

It's tough for us to judge. We only have video. And we really have no idea how the talent in this French league translates. I would imagine nba scouts have an exact system for translating their talent to the NBA level and ntilikina might project very well.

PhilinLA @ 6/19/2017 10:54 PM

Smith won't let anyone look at his knees.

Welpee @ 6/19/2017 11:03 PM

EnySpree wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I really don't get why Dennis Smith is projected to fall even to 8. He has to have some serious red flags. He is a major talent in one of the most critical positions in the NBA. His workouts should be pushing him in the top 4 range given his talent, build, production.
So why is he not viewed as such?
Because you are talking about the opinion of a sports writer. These guys only go with popular opinion and they are always wrong.
Dennis Smith killed the Orlando workout. He's not getting past them. Orlando has plenty of forwards. They aren't going to draft another. Especially after benching Payton. Sacramento needs a point guard. If Dennis Smith is there it's hard to see them pass him by. Sacramento has young forwards on the team.
Minnesota is not drafting a point guard, they just aren't after drafting Dunn last year. Yet nbadraft.Net has Minnesota drafting Smith with a need at forward.
I value your opinion more than these writer driven sites

Minnesota is the same organization that drafted three point guards in the same draft passing on Steph twice.

nixluva @ 6/19/2017 11:10 PM

Knixkik wrote:
anrst wrote:i dunno how anyone picks Frank over Monk or Smith. Ridiculous.
It's tough for us to judge. We only have video. And we really have no idea how the talent in this French league translates. I would imagine nba scouts have an exact system for translating their talent to the NBA level and ntilikina might project very well.

I think there's been a bit of overhype going on with Nitty. I've watched a LOT of full game footage and he definitely has potential on D and as a passer. I don't really see any high level offensive skills. Good spot up shooter and has some ability to attack the closeout. Not much of a first step but he does well once he gets a guy on his hip. Looks like a solid player but I'm not sure about his upside.

nyknickzingis @ 6/20/2017 10:33 AM

anrst wrote:i dunno how anyone picks Frank over Monk or Smith. Ridiculous.

For me it's about Nti vs Monk.
Smith is easy for me to pass on because we're going to run the Triangle, we may keep Melo another year and a ball dominant PG that loves to drive and isn't a great passer is NOT a good fit for KP/Melo. We saw that with Rose last year. Factor the knee injury. Easy decision for me to pass on Smith.

Where it's hard for me is between Nti and Monk, if they are both there.

Nti is a role player on offense right now. He can not impact on a game to game basis there. He needs a few years and he may never be a star guard.

Monk is a great shooter who can right away shoot the ball, play a low usage but effective game and would be a major scoring threat. We need shooters and scorers like that around KP/Melo. They fit in well in the Triangle.

But then there's Defense - the area where we have the worst talent and skill level in based on last year. We really need to improve D. Two years ago with a 14/7 a night rookie KP and Melo, with Jose as point, Affalo playing the sniper role, we were competitive and on the verge of being a playoff team before injuries hit (and KP hit a wall). That is the difference in D impact. We scored less points, were way less talented with KP/Melo/Afflalo/Calderon than KP/Melo/Lee/Rose but the former played defense and the latter gave no defensive effort. We were one of the 3 or 4 worst defensive teams in the league most of last year.

So in terms of D

Nti's potential is hard to overlook. He can check players full court. He loves the defensive challenge. He reminds me a little of Giannis. Long arms. Athletic. Defensively gifted. Loves to defend. Versatile can defend many positions. His impact on defense will be evident as he develops. A guard that can defend will change the way we defend. Look at Baker what he was able to do towards the end of the season. Helped our defense. Now add Nti, you have two guards who will not let their man off easily or take it easy on D. Less pressure on KP/bigs and Melo to help. There's going to be a major improvement on defense.

Monk's potential on D is very limited. Almost no impact there. Best case is him being able to defend bigger point guards or match up with smaller shooting guards. It's similar to what happens to Louis Williams and Eric Gordon in the league. They get transformed into great off the bench players eventually as they can't match up well with starters.

I'm ok either way because way I see it Monk >>> Nti on O and Nti >>> Monk on D. We need D more than O. So it's a toss up, and a case can be made for either. You have to just trust that Phil and Gaines and all those scouts have done their job. And for sure they have way more information than us.

fishmike @ 6/20/2017 11:10 AM

nixluva wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
anrst wrote:i dunno how anyone picks Frank over Monk or Smith. Ridiculous.
It's tough for us to judge. We only have video. And we really have no idea how the talent in this French league translates. I would imagine nba scouts have an exact system for translating their talent to the NBA level and ntilikina might project very well.
I think there's been a bit of overhype going on with Nitty. I've watched a LOT of full game footage and he definitely has potential on D and as a passer. I don't really see any high level offensive skills. Good spot up shooter and has some ability to attack the closeout. Not much of a first step but he does well once he gets a guy on his hip. Looks like a solid player but I'm not sure about his upside.

overhype from whom? Everyone talking about him is saying exactly what the scouts are.

Chandler @ 6/20/2017 11:20 AM

nixluva wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
anrst wrote:i dunno how anyone picks Frank over Monk or Smith. Ridiculous.
It's tough for us to judge. We only have video. And we really have no idea how the talent in this French league translates. I would imagine nba scouts have an exact system for translating their talent to the NBA level and ntilikina might project very well.
I think there's been a bit of overhype going on with Nitty. I've watched a LOT of full game footage and he definitely has potential on D and as a passer. I don't really see any high level offensive skills. Good spot up shooter and has some ability to attack the closeout. Not much of a first step but he does well once he gets a guy on his hip. Looks like a solid player but I'm not sure about his upside.

Not trying to overplay the comparison but consider Kawhi. He has developed his offense once in the league. Also consider how poor our defense is and how much we could benefit if we could generate some offense from our defense -- quick transitions etc.

It will be fascinating to see who we select if both Frank and Monk are available in our slot

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