EnySpree wrote:I can't wait to see him get his ass bust in summer league
I thought you said phil knows how to draft..lol
smith JR is to athletic for me, seems like a major injury waiting, he's already had the ACL injury..
franco12 wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:Smith has all-star potential; Nitty has starter potential. We didn't take the best player available. Cuban smokescreen about wanting Nitty and hiring his coach for Summer League squad so he can get Smith.
Don't let stats get in your way:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19681...
Frank had the highest % for being an all star - also highest bust potential.
Those are just one set of stats, you need to look at multiple pojection analytics
Irony. People bitched when we took KP over winslow,mudiay,stein etc....and here we are again. Whether you hate phil or not he has done well with draft picks especially euro players
I like it. He's a team player and a smart player. The days of isolation are on their way out. I love his d and his outside shooting.
I could be wrong, but I have a hard time believing this was a Gaines pick with Smith and Monk on the board. Would be interested to hear what input he had in this decision.
I would have taken Smith but welcome to the Knicks Frank. I've also made the George Hill comparison but hopefully he becomes A higher usg George Hill with similar or higher efficiency.
I like the idea of his length and KP's length - hopefully that helps our defense. If we can knock off some of the BS with trading or not trading Melo & Phil with his triangle, and let our coach coach and players player, should be a fun year with hope.
StarksEwing1 wrote:Irony. People bitched when we took KP over winslow,mudiay,stein etc....and here we are again. Whether you hate phil or not he has done well with draft picks especially euro players
You mean like Jerian Grant?
Re-posting in this main thread.
I understand the angst here; my draft board has not changed for 4 months with DSJ at #3. But that has to do with risk aversion. Its obvious that within a team concept, Frank carries the most potential both boom and bust; this was a swing for the fences and I am on board with that philosophy in the draft. There is a reason that ESPN analytics has him as the highest all-star likelihood at 14%, about double that of anyone else in the draft.
His potential is poor mans "Kawhi Leonard" (less offensive potential) at the guard position.
Thrilled with the pick. I only liked two or three guys in the lottery and Frank was one of them, I was worried that we wouldn't get him when we fell to 7th, then again at 8.
Getting Porzingis draft day reactions from some folks on Frank...I got a list of them somewhere...maybe I should list them.
Guys already talking about him as a bust?
He was VERY well scouted, and Gaines got to see him play too.
KP was the top international player and look how he turned out...heard the same crap about him on draft day.
You have a kid who has drastically improved his shot, which used to be seen as a weakness for him, in a very short time. He can easily play at SG, and with some added strength, his 7"1" wingspan will mean he'll be able to defend at the 3 very soon.
Guys are missing the boat on what he might be able to do, but that is typical with some folks around here when it comes to foreign players.
WaltLongmire wrote:Getting Porzingis draft day reactions from some folks on Frank...I got a list of them somewhere...maybe I should list them.Guys already talking about him as a bust?
He was VERY well scouted, and Gaines got to see him play too.
KP was the top international player and look how he turned out...heard the same crap about him on draft day.
You have a kid who has drastically improved his shot, which used to be seen as a weakness for him, in a very short time. He can easily play at SG, and with some added strength, his 7"1" wingspan will mean he'll be able to defend at the 3 very soon.
Guys are missing the boat on what he might be able to do, but that is typical with some folks around here when it comes to foreign players.
Agree. Good and ballsy pick. To me, its unequivocally a max ceiling pick. with obvious risk associated. Ceiling here is a poor mans Kawhi Leonard at the guard position.
WaltLongmire wrote:Getting Porzingis draft day reactions from some folks on Frank...I got a list of them somewhere...maybe I should list them.Guys already talking about him as a bust?
He was VERY well scouted, and Gaines got to see him play too.
KP was the top international player and look how he turned out...heard the same crap about him on draft day.
You have a kid who has drastically improved his shot, which used to be seen as a weakness for him, in a very short time. He can easily play at SG, and with some added strength, his 7"1" wingspan will mean he'll be able to defend at the 3 very soon.
Guys are missing the boat on what he might be able to do, but that is typical with some folks around here when it comes to foreign players.
I was on board with the KP pick from jump...I was happy with the pick...Dont mind Frank, just not at 8. I feel like Smith is a better prospect and was the BPA @ 8. But, Frank is a Knick, I'll root for him but I'm not a happy camper right now...
yellowboy90 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Irony. People bitched when we took KP over winslow,mudiay,stein etc....and here we are again. Whether you hate phil or not he has done well with draft picks especially euro players
You mean like Jerian Grant?
This....
All these people talking about a Cuban smokescreen like phil gives a shit who Cuban likes LOL.
WaltLongmire wrote:Getting Porzingis draft day reactions from some folks on Frank...I got a list of them somewhere...maybe I should list them.Guys already talking about him as a bust?
He was VERY well scouted, and Gaines got to see him play too.
KP was the top international player and look how he turned out...heard the same crap about him on draft day.
You have a kid who has drastically improved his shot, which used to be seen as a weakness for him, in a very short time. He can easily play at SG, and with some added strength, his 7"1" wingspan will mean he'll be able to defend at the 3 very soon.
Guys are missing the boat on what he might be able to do, but that is typical with some folks around here when it comes to foreign players.
KP's tape was pretty middling, there was plenty of full games on Youtube so i get why people werent happy.He looked much better in the summer league. As far as Frank not as much tape but I wasnt impressed at all watching him. I think he is a solid player that can guard 3 spots but he looks like a 25 minute reserve to me
Uptown wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Irony. People bitched when we took KP over winslow,mudiay,stein etc....and here we are again. Whether you hate phil or not he has done well with draft picks especially euro players
You mean like Jerian Grant?
This....
I really can't remember Phil being part of a good draft pick for a guard. Reports were Grant was a Phil pick hopefully Frank had the scouts go ahead. I still think Grant never should have been traded but oh well.
Uptown wrote:nixluva wrote:codeunknown wrote:I would have preferred DSJ, but no complaints with Frank. Don't overlook his potential as a defensive superstar at positions 1-2. Defense is hugely important and he is a match-up advantage there down the line against everyone at those positions.
Yeah this is about changing the IDENTITY of the team more than going for the highest offensive ceiling guy. Can't complain about the logic if you really want to establish a DEFENSIVE identity.
Come on Nix! You wanted no parts of Frank and you said as much in multiple threads...Now the phil has officially taken him, now he's the perfect fit?
I said EXACTLY what I'm saying now. Not a high ceiling guy! Go check what I said. I never said I hated the kid so don't LIE! I said I wanted a High Ceiling guy that could take over games but that's not Nitty. However the appeal is defense and unselfish play. He's a Triangle fit but not a star. So F you cuz I didn't change my view.
Knicks so far only team that reached. All other picks have been solid and played in ncaa
This pick assures the Knicks at least 3 more years in the lottery
