Knicks · Melo has been angling for a buy-out for a while now (page 6)
Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Sinix wrote:Any team that is going to want Melo is going to be competing for a championship this season. And if they are competing for a championship seriously, Melo should not be picky.Windhorst said yesterday on Lowe's podcast that if Melo goes he wants to stay east to be near his family. He said he had heard that this was a very important factor for him.I don't buy Family Melo anymore. Not after two timing on his wife with a stripper. It's all an act with him.
Sad.
Sports is fun. You've forgotten that.
Then why criticize anyone, ever in sports? Sports is fun. No one should ever get fired or cut ever. Good, realistic, attitude.
Getting fired or cut is active. The people in decision making roles actually DO something.
Your criticism is passive. It does nothing.
At least YOU and are having an active exchange. Unfortunately, I'm not the Knicks, so your criticisms are just doing nothing.
That said, criticism about sports is fine. You've taken to attacking him personally in a forum he won't even hear you.
That just reflects badly on you.
Dude cheats on his wife with a stripper and destroys his family and I'm supposed to turn a blind eye? It reflects on ME badly because I don't approve of what he's done. Get a grip dude. Stop trying to get personal with me.
What does it have to do with basketball?
You can get personal with Melo but I can't get personal with you?
This is the blatant hypocrisy so many sports fans don't even see.
EVERYONE is fair game... except you. How dare anyone criticize you?
The irony is thick.
This kind of brings us back to this point about no other player ever getting so much excuses for having such little resume.
Which you an I haven't disputed.
What does this have to do with basketball? Someone said family might be the reason he doesn't waive NTC.... which is bs. Name 1 other player in the NBA who is such a diva about having to be around his family. Like he doesn't have millions upon millions upon millions to be where he needs to be within hours no matter where he is in the country. The family thing is a convenient excuse and I'm calling Melo out on it after he showed us where his family values are at after choosing the stripper over them.
He didn't ask for a NTC fearing he was going to be moved from a successful team. This is what a NTC is for. To be used.
Like a LOT of people, Melo has decided he wants to decide where to work and live.
*I* enjoy that choice. Now I understand the NBA is a unique work environment, but he had the market power to ask for and get the simple right you and I have. I can't reasonably begrudge him that.
Melo is a Knick and getting paid near 30 mil a year. When he signed a near 30 mil a year contract, he signed up for his life to be public like this. He signed up for the scrutiny attached to a leadership role. Me as a forum guy talking to a bunch of idiot fans, not so much. It's downright weird you are trying to get personal with me.
You said you had a job with the team. Those were your exact words.
So that's out and out what you are saying. You've advocating personally attacking a player, advocating trying to make his playing environment miserable so he's motivated to leave, but despite your job/role with the team, you should be above scrutiny.
I have a hard time wrapping my head around that.
And I got attacked by Briggs yesterday. Not like a can't relate.
Knickoftime wrote:Are you ok?Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Sinix wrote:Any team that is going to want Melo is going to be competing for a championship this season. And if they are competing for a championship seriously, Melo should not be picky.Windhorst said yesterday on Lowe's podcast that if Melo goes he wants to stay east to be near his family. He said he had heard that this was a very important factor for him.I don't buy Family Melo anymore. Not after two timing on his wife with a stripper. It's all an act with him.
Sad.
Sports is fun. You've forgotten that.
Then why criticize anyone, ever in sports? Sports is fun. No one should ever get fired or cut ever. Good, realistic, attitude.
Getting fired or cut is active. The people in decision making roles actually DO something.
Your criticism is passive. It does nothing.
At least YOU and are having an active exchange. Unfortunately, I'm not the Knicks, so your criticisms are just doing nothing.
That said, criticism about sports is fine. You've taken to attacking him personally in a forum he won't even hear you.
That just reflects badly on you.
Dude cheats on his wife with a stripper and destroys his family and I'm supposed to turn a blind eye? It reflects on ME badly because I don't approve of what he's done. Get a grip dude. Stop trying to get personal with me.
What does it have to do with basketball?
You can get personal with Melo but I can't get personal with you?
This is the blatant hypocrisy so many sports fans don't even see.
EVERYONE is fair game... except you. How dare anyone criticize you?
The irony is thick.
This kind of brings us back to this point about no other player ever getting so much excuses for having such little resume.
Which you an I haven't disputed.
What does this have to do with basketball? Someone said family might be the reason he doesn't waive NTC.... which is bs. Name 1 other player in the NBA who is such a diva about having to be around his family. Like he doesn't have millions upon millions upon millions to be where he needs to be within hours no matter where he is in the country. The family thing is a convenient excuse and I'm calling Melo out on it after he showed us where his family values are at after choosing the stripper over them.He didn't ask for a NTC fearing he was going to be moved from a successful team. This is what a NTC is for. To be used.
Like a LOT of people, Melo has decided he wants to decide where to work and live.
*I* enjoy that choice. Now I understand the NBA is a unique work environment, but he had the market power to ask for and get the simple right you and I have. I can't reasonably begrudge him that.
Melo is a Knick and getting paid near 30 mil a year. When he signed a near 30 mil a year contract, he signed up for his life to be public like this. He signed up for the scrutiny attached to a leadership role. Me as a forum guy talking to a bunch of idiot fans, not so much. It's downright weird you are trying to get personal with me.You said you had a job with the team. Those were your exact words.
So that's out and out what you are saying. You've advocating personally attacking a player, advocating trying to make his playing environment miserable so he's motivated to leave, but despite your job/role with the team, you should be above scrutiny.
I have a hard time wrapping my head around that.
And I got attacked by Briggs yesterday. Not like a can't relate.
EwingsGlass wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Sinix wrote:Any team that is going to want Melo is going to be competing for a championship this season. And if they are competing for a championship seriously, Melo should not be picky.Windhorst said yesterday on Lowe's podcast that if Melo goes he wants to stay east to be near his family. He said he had heard that this was a very important factor for him.I don't buy Family Melo anymore. Not after two timing on his wife with a stripper. It's all an act with him.
Sad.
Sports is fun. You've forgotten that.
Then why criticize anyone, ever in sports? Sports is fun. No one should ever get fired or cut ever. Good, realistic, attitude.
Getting fired or cut is active. The people in decision making roles actually DO something.
Your criticism is passive. It does nothing.
At least YOU and are having an active exchange. Unfortunately, I'm not the Knicks, so your criticisms are just doing nothing.
That said, criticism about sports is fine. You've taken to attacking him personally in a forum he won't even hear you.
That just reflects badly on you.
Are you implying that posters on a chat board should not give their opinions on the chat board?
No.
Sounds like you created a moral highground to perch on cause you don't like his content.
If advocating for advancing reasonable, fact-based arguments, not resorting to personal attacks, and keeping things in perspective, then yes, if you' like to call it that.
I like reading opinions, even if I disagree.
So do I. That's why I'm engaging in discussion of the topic.
He didn't ask for a NTC fearing he was going to be moved from a successful team. This is what a NTC is for. To be used.
Like a LOT of people, Melo has decided he wants to decide where to work and live.
*I* enjoy that choice. Now I understand the NBA is a unique work environment, but he had the market power to ask for and get the simple right you and I have. I can't reasonably begrudge him that.
Melo has a NTC and the Knicks cannot break that. However the Knicks can bench him if thats whats best for the team, which it might be at this point if he doesn't want to be moved.
You said you had a job with the team. Those were your exact words.
So that's out and out what you are saying. You've advocating personally attacking a player, advocating trying to make his playing environment miserable so he's motivated to leave, but despite your job/role with the team, you should be above scrutiny.
I have a hard time wrapping my head around that.
And I got attacked by Briggs yesterday. Not like a can't relate.
What? I never said I work with the team. Show me where I wrote that lol.
You have a hard time wrapping your head around boo'ing a player that's hurting the franchise you root for? Guess what? Over the years I've boo'd Eddy Curry, Stephon Marbury, Dolan and more. Lots of fans go to sporting events to cheer people and boo people. It's part of engaging in sports as a fan.
What's with defending Melo like he's your dad? I've already talked about my motivations as a Knick fan, what are your motivations as a Melo fan boy?
Sinix wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Sinix wrote:Any team that is going to want Melo is going to be competing for a championship this season. And if they are competing for a championship seriously, Melo should not be picky.Windhorst said yesterday on Lowe's podcast that if Melo goes he wants to stay east to be near his family. He said he had heard that this was a very important factor for him.I don't buy Family Melo anymore. Not after two timing on his wife with a stripper. It's all an act with him.
Sad.
Sports is fun. You've forgotten that.
Then why criticize anyone, ever in sports? Sports is fun. No one should ever get fired or cut ever. Good, realistic, attitude.
Getting fired or cut is active. The people in decision making roles actually DO something.
Your criticism is passive. It does nothing.
At least YOU and are having an active exchange. Unfortunately, I'm not the Knicks, so your criticisms are just doing nothing.
That said, criticism about sports is fine. You've taken to attacking him personally in a forum he won't even hear you.
That just reflects badly on you.
Are you implying that posters on a chat board should not give their opinions on the chat board?Sounds like you created a moral highground to perch on cause you don't like his content. But isn't this exactly the place to post those opinions? And while we are at it, if the intention was to get Melo's attention to the fact that he is a poor role model by his behavior, yeah, not the best forum for that. But more so, no one should be telling Melo what he can and can't do in that moral keep your hand out of the cookie jar sense. Right now you just come across as a hall monitor. Wear your sash with pride.
I like reading opinions, even if I disagree. I don't disagree here though.
It's gotten to the territory of 'weird' with how much that poster is attacking me on a personal level. For criticizing a controversial Knicks player on a website designated for discussions like these.
Its not about criticism, it's about the substance of the criticism. In addition to personal attacks, several of them have been factually inaccurate.
I fail to see how my personal life factors into anything whatsoever related to Knicks discussion.
You said you had a job. You described yourself as having a personal role in his dynamic. Why would you then be sheltered from scrutiny when no one else with a role in the dynamic is.
That's a reasonable question.
You're advocating a role in which you hope to influence 1000's of more fans to demonstratively affect Melo's life and career. So why are you above criticism?
fishmike wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Are you ok?Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Sinix wrote:Any team that is going to want Melo is going to be competing for a championship this season. And if they are competing for a championship seriously, Melo should not be picky.Windhorst said yesterday on Lowe's podcast that if Melo goes he wants to stay east to be near his family. He said he had heard that this was a very important factor for him.I don't buy Family Melo anymore. Not after two timing on his wife with a stripper. It's all an act with him.
Sad.
Sports is fun. You've forgotten that.
Then why criticize anyone, ever in sports? Sports is fun. No one should ever get fired or cut ever. Good, realistic, attitude.
Getting fired or cut is active. The people in decision making roles actually DO something.
Your criticism is passive. It does nothing.
At least YOU and are having an active exchange. Unfortunately, I'm not the Knicks, so your criticisms are just doing nothing.
That said, criticism about sports is fine. You've taken to attacking him personally in a forum he won't even hear you.
That just reflects badly on you.
Dude cheats on his wife with a stripper and destroys his family and I'm supposed to turn a blind eye? It reflects on ME badly because I don't approve of what he's done. Get a grip dude. Stop trying to get personal with me.
What does it have to do with basketball?
You can get personal with Melo but I can't get personal with you?
This is the blatant hypocrisy so many sports fans don't even see.
EVERYONE is fair game... except you. How dare anyone criticize you?
The irony is thick.
This kind of brings us back to this point about no other player ever getting so much excuses for having such little resume.
Which you an I haven't disputed.
What does this have to do with basketball? Someone said family might be the reason he doesn't waive NTC.... which is bs. Name 1 other player in the NBA who is such a diva about having to be around his family. Like he doesn't have millions upon millions upon millions to be where he needs to be within hours no matter where he is in the country. The family thing is a convenient excuse and I'm calling Melo out on it after he showed us where his family values are at after choosing the stripper over them.He didn't ask for a NTC fearing he was going to be moved from a successful team. This is what a NTC is for. To be used.
Like a LOT of people, Melo has decided he wants to decide where to work and live.
*I* enjoy that choice. Now I understand the NBA is a unique work environment, but he had the market power to ask for and get the simple right you and I have. I can't reasonably begrudge him that.
Melo is a Knick and getting paid near 30 mil a year. When he signed a near 30 mil a year contract, he signed up for his life to be public like this. He signed up for the scrutiny attached to a leadership role. Me as a forum guy talking to a bunch of idiot fans, not so much. It's downright weird you are trying to get personal with me.You said you had a job with the team. Those were your exact words.
So that's out and out what you are saying. You've advocating personally attacking a player, advocating trying to make his playing environment miserable so he's motivated to leave, but despite your job/role with the team, you should be above scrutiny.
I have a hard time wrapping my head around that.
And I got attacked by Briggs yesterday. Not like a can't relate.
It was rough but after some intense therapy I think I'll pull through.
Sinix wrote:He didn't ask for a NTC fearing he was going to be moved from a successful team. This is what a NTC is for. To be used.
Like a LOT of people, Melo has decided he wants to decide where to work and live.
*I* enjoy that choice. Now I understand the NBA is a unique work environment, but he had the market power to ask for and get the simple right you and I have. I can't reasonably begrudge him that.Melo has a NTC and the Knicks cannot break that. However the Knicks can bench him if thats whats best for the team, which it might be at this point if he doesn't want to be moved.
Yup. That's within their rights. I'd have no issue with that.
I'll remind you I think the Knicks would be better off without Melo. I'm just not going to let that turn into bitterness and resentment and personal and inaccurate criticism, to Melo, to Jackson, to KP, to his brother, to anyone.
What? I never said I work with the team. Show me where I wrote that lol.
You wrote you had a job as a fan. You really disputing this?
You have a hard time wrapping your head around boo'ing a player that's hurting the franchise you root for?
I think it's stupid as fuck, yes.
[Guess what? Over the years I've boo'd Eddy Curry,
Got all his money.
Stephon Marbury,
Got all his money.
Dolan and more.
Still here.
So what good has it done?
What's with defending Melo like he's your dad? I've already talked about my motivations as a Knick fan, what are your motivations as a Melo fan boy?
I'm not defending Melo at all. For a 4th time I'll tell you I wish he was not on the Knicks. I have not and will not defend his personal life/choices or his game.
I will defend his right to exercise the same choices to I enjoy that he was granted by the Knicks.
What I will defend is not treating anybody like objects just to piss all over, particularly as I know from experience "fans" HATE criticism.
Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:He didn't ask for a NTC fearing he was going to be moved from a successful team. This is what a NTC is for. To be used.
Like a LOT of people, Melo has decided he wants to decide where to work and live.
*I* enjoy that choice. Now I understand the NBA is a unique work environment, but he had the market power to ask for and get the simple right you and I have. I can't reasonably begrudge him that.Melo has a NTC and the Knicks cannot break that. However the Knicks can bench him if thats whats best for the team, which it might be at this point if he doesn't want to be moved.
Yup. That's within their rights. I'd have no issue with that.
I'll remind you I think the Knicks would be better off without Melo. I'm just not going to let that turn into bitterness and resentment and personal and inaccurate criticism, to Melo, to Jackson, to KP, to his brother, to anyone.
What? I never said I work with the team. Show me where I wrote that lol.You wrote you had a job as a fan. You really disputing this?
You have a hard time wrapping your head around boo'ing a player that's hurting the franchise you root for?I think it's stupid as fuck, yes.
[Guess what? Over the years I've boo'd Eddy Curry,
Got all his money.
Stephon Marbury,Got all his money.
Dolan and more.Still here.
So what good has it done?
What's with defending Melo like he's your dad? I've already talked about my motivations as a Knick fan, what are your motivations as a Melo fan boy?I'm not defending Melo at all. For a 4th time I'll tell you I wish he was not on the Knicks. I have not and will not defend his personal life/choices or his game.
I will defend his right to exercise the same choices to I enjoy that he was granted by the Knicks.
What I will defend is not treating anybody like objects just to piss all over, particularly as I know from experience "fans" HATE criticism.
You don't want to piss on melo but you have no heart for melo pissing all over the Knicks franchise and in turn millions of fans.
You say you aren't defending him yet you your position gives him more rights than any player in the league, like ever, despite being a career loser and malignant.
Your priorities are for melo over the knicks. Why?
Sinix wrote:Has Melo shown anything new? Bad or good he's pretty much been the same guy since being here. I dont have issue with Melo's contract. The NTC clause was the poison pill. That being said Melo did the smart thing for Melo. Why settle for just being an asset when you can control your own destiny? I mean this is really on Phil. Always has been. If Melo becomes toxic its totally on Phil as he is the zenmaster who handed Melo all the power he currently yields.Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:He didn't ask for a NTC fearing he was going to be moved from a successful team. This is what a NTC is for. To be used.
Like a LOT of people, Melo has decided he wants to decide where to work and live.
*I* enjoy that choice. Now I understand the NBA is a unique work environment, but he had the market power to ask for and get the simple right you and I have. I can't reasonably begrudge him that.Melo has a NTC and the Knicks cannot break that. However the Knicks can bench him if thats whats best for the team, which it might be at this point if he doesn't want to be moved.
Yup. That's within their rights. I'd have no issue with that.
I'll remind you I think the Knicks would be better off without Melo. I'm just not going to let that turn into bitterness and resentment and personal and inaccurate criticism, to Melo, to Jackson, to KP, to his brother, to anyone.
What? I never said I work with the team. Show me where I wrote that lol.You wrote you had a job as a fan. You really disputing this?
You have a hard time wrapping your head around boo'ing a player that's hurting the franchise you root for?I think it's stupid as fuck, yes.
[Guess what? Over the years I've boo'd Eddy Curry,
Got all his money.
Stephon Marbury,Got all his money.
Dolan and more.Still here.
So what good has it done?
What's with defending Melo like he's your dad? I've already talked about my motivations as a Knick fan, what are your motivations as a Melo fan boy?I'm not defending Melo at all. For a 4th time I'll tell you I wish he was not on the Knicks. I have not and will not defend his personal life/choices or his game.
I will defend his right to exercise the same choices to I enjoy that he was granted by the Knicks.
What I will defend is not treating anybody like objects just to piss all over, particularly as I know from experience "fans" HATE criticism.
You don't want to piss on melo but you have no heart for melo pissing all over the Knicks franchise and in turn millions of fans.You say you aren't defending him yet you your position gives him more rights than any player in the league, like ever, despite being a career loser and malignant.
Your priorities are for melo over the knicks. Why?
Maybe Melo is waiting out Phil, but it seems that will be a losing prop.
Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Sinix wrote:He didn't ask for a NTC fearing he was going to be moved from a successful team. This is what a NTC is for. To be used.
Like a LOT of people, Melo has decided he wants to decide where to work and live.
*I* enjoy that choice. Now I understand the NBA is a unique work environment, but he had the market power to ask for and get the simple right you and I have. I can't reasonably begrudge him that.Melo has a NTC and the Knicks cannot break that. However the Knicks can bench him if thats whats best for the team, which it might be at this point if he doesn't want to be moved.
Yup. That's within their rights. I'd have no issue with that.
I'll remind you I think the Knicks would be better off without Melo. I'm just not going to let that turn into bitterness and resentment and personal and inaccurate criticism, to Melo, to Jackson, to KP, to his brother, to anyone.
What? I never said I work with the team. Show me where I wrote that lol.You wrote you had a job as a fan. You really disputing this?
You have a hard time wrapping your head around boo'ing a player that's hurting the franchise you root for?I think it's stupid as fuck, yes.
[Guess what? Over the years I've boo'd Eddy Curry,
Got all his money.
Stephon Marbury,Got all his money.
Dolan and more.Still here.
So what good has it done?
What's with defending Melo like he's your dad? I've already talked about my motivations as a Knick fan, what are your motivations as a Melo fan boy?I'm not defending Melo at all. For a 4th time I'll tell you I wish he was not on the Knicks. I have not and will not defend his personal life/choices or his game.
I will defend his right to exercise the same choices to I enjoy that he was granted by the Knicks.
What I will defend is not treating anybody like objects just to piss all over, particularly as I know from experience "fans" HATE criticism.
You don't want to piss on melo but you have no heart for melo pissing all over the Knicks franchise and in turn millions of fans.
He hasn't. Melo owes me (or you) nothing.
It is not a relationship.
You say you aren't defending him yet you your position gives him more rights than any player in the league, like ever, despite being a career loser and malignant.
It is not "my position". His NTC clause does. I have nothing to with my his NTC other than recognize it exists for a purpose.
He asked for it, the Knicks gave it to him. That is a fact independent of my "position." I'm not going to change it.
My "position" is it's ridiculous to expect any professional athlete ever to put fan's desires before their own. I've learned through years of experience not to expect that, so I'm not going to whine year after year over something that isn't reasonably ever going to happen.
That's Einstein's definition of crazy.
Lebron left Cleveland. durant left OKC. Jeter retired a year two too late. Arod was suspended a year than had to be shown the door. JPP blew his hand off.
I do NOTHING for them and I don't expect anything in return.
Your priorities are for melo over the knicks. Why?
I don't get to have priorities. I'm just a fan. I WISH Melo was elsewhere, but I don't have a say. I can live with this because a.) it's true; and b.) see "a.)"
What I'm not going to do is whine because I can't get what I want. That's what I teach my kid NOT to do.
Knickoftime wrote:
He hasn't. Melo owes me (or you) nothing.It is not a relationship.
Then from that point of view I don't owe Melo anything either. I don't owe him my good will and I don't owe him cheers when he plays for the Knicks. I'd rather boo him because as a Knick fan, I consider him a net negative to the franchise for not moving on but besides that, we don't owe each other anything right?
It is not "my position". His NTC clause does. I have nothing to with my his NTC other than recognize it exists for a purpose.He asked for it, the Knicks gave it to him. That is a fact independent of my "position." I'm not going to change it.
My "position" is it's ridiculous to expect any professional athlete ever to put fan's desires before their own. I've learned through years of experience not to expect that, so I'm not going to whine year after year over something that isn't reasonably ever going to happen.
That's Einstein's definition of crazy.
Lebron left Cleveland. durant left OKC. Jeter retired a year two too late. Arod was suspended a year than had to be shown the door. JPP blew his hand off.
I do NOTHING for them and I don't expect anything in return.
Your position stretches the power of his NTC. You are doing this while saying you are not defending Melo.
A NTC doesn't give him the power to dictate the direction of the franchise. It doesn't Melo the power to dictate how many minutes Melo is played. It doesn't give Melo the power to dictate how he's used.
With Melo's contract there's an implication that he will carry out managements orders no matter what they may be. In this case it's the triangle. Ball movement. Catch and shoot. How has Melo done carrying this out since he's been signed? He's the god damn leader on the floor for this franchise and he's been undermining management since he got his 200+ mil or whatever it was. Melo knows he has a NTC and has been abusive with it. Scummy guy.
Your priorities are for melo over the knicks. Why?I don't get to have priorities. I'm just a fan. I WISH Melo was elsewhere, but I don't have a say. I can live with this because a.) it's true; and b.) see "a.)"
What I'm not going to do is whine because I can't get what I want. That's what I teach my kid NOT to do.
Your position is SUPER Melo friendly. You clearly support positions that empower Melo and weaken the Knicks. Are you a Knicks fan first and foremost?
Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:
He hasn't. Melo owes me (or you) nothing.It is not a relationship.
Then from that point of view I don't owe Melo anything either.
Indeed.
I don't owe him my good will and I don't owe him cheers when he plays for the Knicks. I'd rather boo him because as a Knick fan, I consider him a net negative to the franchise for not moving on but besides that, we don't owe each other anything right?
I never said I don't respect your right to boo. In fact, I'd defend it to anyone who argued you don't have the right. .
But at the same time I question the maturity of those who do it beyond having a laugh here or there and the intelligence of anyone who thinks it has any effect on anything.
Your position stretches the power of his NTC. You are doing this while saying you are not defending Melo.
That is objectively wrong. He HAS a full no-trade clause. I have NOTHING to do with that whatsoever. Neither, btw, do you.
A NTC doesn't give him the power to dictate the direction of the franchise.
No one said it did.
It gives him to power to accept or reject any trade proposal at whim. That's it.
It doesn't Melo the power to dictate how many minutes Melo is played. It doesn't give Melo the power to dictate how he's used.
Nope, we 100% agree, he's at the Knicks whim on those. If you want Jackson and Hornachek to exercise that power more, your issue is with them.
With Melo's contract there's an implication that he will carry out managements orders no matter what they may be. In this case it's the triangle. Ball movement. Catch and shoot. How has Melo done carrying this out since he's been signed?
For the most part, nope.
He's the god damn leader on the floor for this franchise and he's been undermining management since he got his 200+ mil or whatever it was. Melo knows he has a NTC and has been abusive with it. Scummy guy.
Looks like you were just late to the party. That was his game before he got his new Knicks deal.
Your position is SUPER Melo friendly. You clearly support positions that empower Melo and weaken the Knicks.
Or reason, whichever term you prefer.
Are you a Knicks fan first and foremost?
No, I like basketball and I like the Knicks and I'm not a big fan of Melo's game, all at the same time. That's it. That's what I am.
You think you're in some kind of war and you have to declare a side and/or a position and even more you possess some ability to decide who is what.
And that's great of that does something for you.
But at the end of the day, Melo is a knicks, Melo will likely continue to play like Melo has always played and he has a NTC and a 2018-19 option, and NOTHING you have to say about him or me or who is or isn't a real fan is going to change that.
Knickoftime wrote:
Nope, we 100% agree, he's at the Knicks whim on those. If you want Jackson and Hornachek to exercise that power more, your issue is with them.
No you position doesn't stop there. You talk about how if the Knicks franchise benches him, it will be at great detriment to the Knicks because it's some sort of disrespectful move to Melo.
If we 100% agree then you have no problem sitting Melo all season if that's what management and coaching staff deem is best for the team.
And if it's gotten to that point it means Melo has made a real effort not to follow the game plan.
No, I like basketball and I like the Knicks and I'm not a big fan of Melo's game, all at the same time. That's it. That's what I am.You think you're in some kind of war and you have to declare a side and/or a position and even more you possess some ability to decide who is what.
And that's great of that does something for you.
But at the end of the day, Melo is a knicks, Melo will likely continue to play like Melo has always played and he has a NTC and a 2018-19 option, and NOTHING you have to say about him or me or who is or isn't a real fan is going to change that.
It's just odd that your position is so supportive for Melo at the expense of the Knicks. You say one thing but the arguments you paint clearly put you on another side.
Sinix wrote:Knickoftime wrote:
Nope, we 100% agree, he's at the Knicks whim on those. If you want Jackson and Hornachek to exercise that power more, your issue is with them.No you position doesn't stop there. You talk about how if the Knicks franchise benches him, it will be at great detriment to the Knicks because it's some sort of disrespectful move to Melo.
You have me confused with someone else. Check your facts. Don't reply/rely on memory or some impression you have. Check your facts.
If we 100% agree then you have no problem sitting Melo all season if that's what management and coaching staff deem is best for the team.
Of course.
And if it's gotten to that point it means Melo has made a real effort not to follow the game plan.
Not expecting him to.
No, I like basketball and I like the Knicks and I'm not a big fan of Melo's game, all at the same time. That's it. That's what I am.You think you're in some kind of war and you have to declare a side and/or a position and even more you possess some ability to decide who is what.
And that's great of that does something for you.
But at the end of the day, Melo is a knicks, Melo will likely continue to play like Melo has always played and he has a NTC and a 2018-19 option, and NOTHING you have to say about him or me or who is or isn't a real fan is going to change that.
It's just odd that your position is so supportive for Melo at the expense of the Knicks. You say one thing but the arguments you paint clearly put you on another side.
I didn't say I was on a side. You just seem to have an inability to see anything not filtered through your own lens.
But that's not even the point. Decide for me what "side" I'm on if you must. Again, neither of our sides or positions mean anything other than in some world of fan fiction.
Melo is going to do Melo whether you or I want to burn him in effigy or have his babies.
CrushAlot wrote:Stein reporting that Melo is trying to negotiate a buyout. Knicks are resisting.
Called it. What did I fking say?
CrushAlot wrote:Stein reporting that Melo is trying to negotiate a buyout. Knicks are resisting.
We better not buy him out. He made us give away a ton of assets to get him so if he is going to another team we better be getting something in return. I would rather sit him than buy him out.
Clean wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Stein reporting that Melo is trying to negotiate a buyout. Knicks are resisting.We better not buy him out. He made us give away a ton of assets to get him so if he is going to another team we better be getting something in return. I would rather sit him than buy him out.
No, he didn't.
Knickoftime wrote:Clean wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Stein reporting that Melo is trying to negotiate a buyout. Knicks are resisting.We better not buy him out. He made us give away a ton of assets to get him so if he is going to another team we better be getting something in return. I would rather sit him than buy him out.
No, he didn't.
Yes he did. He did not want to wait until the end of the season because if he signed with us then he would make less money than if we traded for him. That is why the Nets came into the equation near the trade deadline. He would have rather gone to them instead of waiting to come to us at the end of the season.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2014/08/retr...
The relevant section
"Anthony pushed for the trade during the 2010/11 season primarily because of the new CBA in the works that would reduce the maximum contract amount he would be able to re-sign for. With the labor agreement ending June 30th, 2011, and uncertainty surrounding what the next pact would look like, it was in Anthony’s best financial interests to sign an extension as part of an extend-and-trade transaction with the Knicks rather than wait for free agency."
Melo has known since probably early last season he was done as a Knick and has been playing a PR game where he has tried to paint himself as a victim to Phil and The Knicks abuse. He wants to create a narrative where he is so much a victim it becomes a public viewpoint that it's the moral move for the Knicks to buy him out.
So Melo has been subtly undermining the front office. He signed a very large contract talking about embracing the triangle and more ball movement. He does the opposite and when he gets a reaction out of the front office, he paints himself as a victim.
He's mailed it in on the Knicks and now he is trying to get what he can from the organization before he bolts.
Honestly I think a lot of these passive aggressive mind games are what George Karl was referencing when he talked about his lack of character as a leader. We should revisit some quotes by George Karl:
"He was the best offensive player I ever coached. He was also a user of people, addicted to the spotlight and very unhappy when he had to share it."
“I want as much effort on defense — maybe more — as on offense,” Karl penned. “That was never going to happen with Melo, whose amazing ability to score with the ball made him a star but didn’t make him a winner.
“He really lit my fuse with his low demand of himself on defense,” he continued. “He had no commitment to the hard, dirty work of stopping the other guy. But since Carmelo only played hard on one side of the ball, he made it plain he couldn’t lead the Nuggets, even though he said he wanted to. Coaching him meant working around his defense and compensating for his attitude. I’d have to try to figure him out, too. How could I get more from him?”
He was such a talented kid. If he’d decided to lead the league in rebounding, or to become the best defender at his position in the NBA, he could have done either one.
But Kenyon and Carmelo carried two big burdens: all that money, and no father to show them how to act like a man."
"Our main problem was that he liked to separate himself from our team. A player can talk back to me, we can argue, but that’s between us. One player is a lot less important than how everyone performs together. I don’t think Melo cared enough about being a good teammate.
But he got away with some shit over the years because he made All-Star teams and averaged 24-6-3 (points, rebounds, assists). His incidents were spaced out, so listing them here may make them sound worse than they were. If all my screwups were compressed into one paragraph, I’d look pretty bad, too, but Melo had a pattern of bad judgment.
He got a DUI; he got busted at the airport for having a bag of weed in his backpack; he got in a bar fight; he got suspended for fifteen games for punching a Knick during our infamous brawl in 2006. And he did a Kenyon when he refused to go back into the last minute or two in a game on the road against the Pistons. That didn’t make his coach too happy.
But his real WTF moment occurred in March 2009 in the third quarter of a game against the Pacers. Carmelo had not scored much all night but then made two in a row. It was time for him to come out for a rest so I sent in his backup, Linas Kleiza, as I usually did. At the next dead ball, LK went in. But Carmelo refused to come out! After long moments of people staring at each other in confusion, but before we got a technical foul for having too many men on the court, Kenyon, to his credit, walked to the bench.
Well, well, well. Here was a new wrinkle in the coach/player power struggle, one I’d never seen before. It was also an incredible F-U to me. We suspended him for the next game.
After the game, which we lost 100–94, I had to talk to the media about it. Should I show my disgust at Melo’s childishness and lack of respect? No. I tried to be calm and understanding of behavior I couldn’t understand at all. So I swallowed my tongue. “There’s a thin line between passion and emotional immaturity,” I said. “It happens all the time, to coaches, too. We snap and act like idiots on the sideline because of the emotional stress of the game.”
The positive side of this incident was that it embarrassed Carmelo. He played harder and better for a while. Not coincidentally, we made a deep playoff run."
now quotes many years later from Mike D'antoni-
“(Carmelo and I) don’t have a bad relationship. I speak to him. He’s a good guy,” D’Antoni, who coached Anthony as an assistant with Team USA, said last year on The Vertical podcast. “But I had one vision that I wanted him to play one way. He wanted to go the other way. I couldn’t get to my way.”
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“Anthony said the team needed to choose between him and D’Antoni.”
“I just went in and quit,” D’Antoni said.
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These aren't guys who just coached him here or there. There were coaches for almost his whole prime. Notice the pattern in what they are saying here? That now Phil is saying as well? Also consider D'antoni rarely has a negative word about anyone. For him to bring up Melo insubordination is big.