Knicks · Mills doing all the right things so far: NOTHING... (page 1)

Didn't overpay for Teague.

Didn't overpay for Holiday.

Didn't offer 1st round compensation for a GM.

Not willing to buyout Melo and looking for a potential trade ONLY if the price is right (willing to wait it out).

Looking at young, talented players on the cheap (who for whatever reason haven't reached their potential with other clubs) in free agency who could potentially grow with our young developing core during our rebuild: Alan Williams, Ben McLemore, Carter-Williams.

Resigning Baker (part of our young nucleus 1st order of business; 1 thing he did).

Showing patience while other teams are overpaying for guys

Showing the franchise is looking long term and not about next year in their vision.

So far, so good.

Hard to say.
Doing nothing intentionally and doing nothing accidentally can be hard to separate out

meloshouldgo wrote:Hard to say.
Doing nothing intentionally and doing nothing accidentally can be hard to separate out

I tend to be optimistic...

While its great we haven't locked ourselves up into mediocrity at the moment. It still won't be good enough. We need to be working on how we can finesse some future picks and prospects out of teams.

Mills is Phil. Phil is Mills. We're on our way to greatness.

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Hard to say.
Doing nothing intentionally and doing nothing accidentally can be hard to separate out

I tend to be optimistic...

Fair enough I tend to be realistic,

It is not that Mills didn't want to but he couldn't. Teague never considered us and Holiday just used our name to get a contract he wanted. Sometimes useless is very important trait to have. Mills is a master of it.

Seriously, who would want to sign a place like that? losing is bad for FA but it is not always important. Look at Twolf. But what if your owner is psycho and yoor prez just got fired because of power struggle?

Dolan really has made a wrong decision here. But I don't think it is surprising to anyone that he is unfit to be an owner.

SocraticBallin22 wrote:Didn't overpay for Teague.

Didn't overpay for Holiday.

Didn't offer 1st round compensation for a GM.

Not willing to buyout Melo and looking for a potential trade ONLY if the price is right (willing to wait it out).

Looking at young, talented players on the cheap (who for whatever reason haven't reached their potential with other clubs) in free agency who could potentially grow with our young developing core during our rebuild: Alan Williams, Ben McLemore, Carter-Williams.

Resigning Baker (part of our young nucleus 1st order of business; 1 thing he did).

Showing patience while other teams are overpaying for guys

Showing the franchise is looking long term and not about next year in their vision.

So far, so good.

Exactly. We are having one of the best off-seasons ever. Trade Melo for a bag of chips and I'm good.

Having that cap space during the season means we can absorb a contract later when teams are all capped out and are needy for a trade. We are in great shape.

Yep, I was worried he'd try and make a splash, but so far he's doing the right thing (so far- don't want to jinx it!)- hopefully he doesn't get tempted by George Hill or Rose!

I'm surprised the Blazers haven't done any deals- they badly need to drop some salary.

"PHiLLs"......

Best to wait it out as there have been some surprises. Especially George. Melo can be had for cheap, just gotta pay the salary and of course he agree!!!!!

Melo to Houstan need to happen.

I said this a while back ago do nothing. It's the best plan of action for the Knicks. Free agents are very useless they can't help and won't help. The Knicks are going to have to do it through the draft. The foundation has to improve and that only time will tell. Once the foundation is playing to it full capabilities the free agents will come and make a difference.

Wait it out and see if we can get someone on the cheap. We should also use our cap space to maybe facilitate a trade that gets us a draft pick.

I'm loving what Mills is doing right now. As I said a few time already, just ride out the season with Mills and Gaines running things. Say what you want about Phil, but one gewat culture change he made forvthe knicks is thatvwe dont deal picks. Teams now know tjat the old "we need a draft pick, lets call the Knicks" strategy is no longer valid and Mills is continuing that. Hopefully that will stay a part of the organization going forward.

Vmart wrote:I said this a while back ago do nothing. It's the best plan of action for the Knicks. Free agents are very useless they can't help and won't help. The Knicks are going to have to do it through the draft. The foundation has to improve and that only time will tell. Once the foundation is playing to it full capabilities the free agents will come and make a difference.

Couldnt have said this any better

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:I'm loving what Mills is doing right now. As I said a few time already, just ride out the season with Mills and Gaines running things. Say what you want about Phil, but one gewat culture change he made forvthe knicks is thatvwe dont deal picks. Teams now know tjat the old "we need a draft pick, lets call the Knicks" strategy is no longer valid and Mills is continuing that. Hopefully that will stay a part of the organization going forward.

Mills is Phil. And Phil is Mills.

Ridiculous that the Warriors can pay Iggy 16 million a year to be a backup. Its not enough they have 4 All Stars but they have an Olympian for 16 million per on their bench

Jmpasq wrote:Ridiculous that the Warriors can pay Iggy 16 million a year to be a backup. Its not enough they have 4 All Stars but they have an Olympian for 16 million per on their bench

Taj Gibson just got 2/28. Someone just gave Galloway a three year deal.

In a relative sense, Iggy's contract is horrible and yet it's not. It's not given the marketplace, it is given the luxury tax implications. In Year 3 of that deal, the Warriors will be in the repeater bracket and the tax bill will be the highest the league has ever seen.

I understand what Lacob is going to do. If the Warriors win 2 more championships ( not hard to imagine), he will see if he can get the franchise valuation to about 4 billion. More like 3.5. Then sell the franchise in it's last legs of the Durant/Curry era and let the new ownership group take the tax bill off it's hands.

The NBA will eventually go to a hard cap and widespread use of non guaranteed contracts. You are looking at a two year type labor war ( to starve the existing players out)

The last time the owners got together in private, they were angry about Baron Davis. Gilbert Arenas. Erick Dampier. Andres Biedriens. Rip Hamilton. Eddy Curry. LeBron James. The owners don't forget, they don't forgive. The stuff and crap Zinger is pulling now will hurt the generations of players coming in behind him.

These modern NBA players, most of them are selfish and stupid. They have as good as any pro athlete in the Western world will ever have it, and they act like spoiled children. Well it's going to end. Ever hear the saying, "Why can't we have something nice?" Usually to denote that a bunch of ignorants, idiots and thugs were a small group, but ruined the entire system in place for everyone? It's like a neighborhood where one neighbor acts like a douchebag and everyone else suffers. Well no more. During the next major labor war, the owners are going to turn the screws on the players.

Charles Barkley was the only one with the balls to say it during The Decision. That LBJ made old billionaires get on their knees and beg, when he already knew what he was going to do. He was just playing games with everyone, toying with them, letting team hurt their futures because he was teasing them with false hope. Then he rubbed it in everyone's face. So, of course, when Durant leaves OKC, LBJ goes into a tizzy, goes insane and demands Nike and his agent push on Durant hard, so "everyone" can get the same backlash he got.

LBJ has done a lot to make the NBA a ton of money. He's also one of the biggest idiots in all of modern sports history. He literally dragged the entire league down with him. Like Barkley said, it's not hard to tell which of these guys were raised without a father.

Yep stand pat for a top three pick. Though I wouldn't be suprised if we resign rose, for a one year or two year deal. Esp if we trade melo which at this point how could melo come back, after we've been so vocal on his departure. It would just be weird to see melo in a knick uniform after this off season. I do not want Ryan Anderson I repeat I do not want Ryan Anderson. So Houston is going to have to get a third team involved .

Beat writers are tweeting that he isn't talking to the media.

We have a roster that is packed already with contracts for next year, so probably first a trade has to happen or is the more reasonable way to improve

Hernangomez/Noah/O'Quinn
Porzingis/Thomas
Anthony/Kuzminskas
Lee
Baker/Ntilikina

Then players we likely sign to some kind of contract for a D-League or maybe backup role because we drafted them or have interest in them

Hernangomez/Noah/O'Quinn
Porzingis/Thomas+Laberyie
Anthony/Kuzminskas
Lee/+Dotson
Baker/Ntilikina/+Randle

We don't have that many openings unless we make a trade. The improvement has to come within. And we need to face reality. We're trying to trade Melo, and we're trying to re-build. Hornachek made a comment about having the offense built around Porzingis next year. I love KP, but a tea that's built around him without a star point guard or guard, will not win more than 25 games even if KP plays like a star that can drop 22 points a night.

Just time to face reality. Stay calm. Develop KP, Ntilikina, Gomez and Baker. See where they are at a year from now. Draft top 5. Use capspace wisely. It's the right way to go.

Decision making:

Trade Carmelo, and if not bench him - markedly reducing his minutes (<10 minutes) so as to allow the team to lose to the level of the young players, raising the value of our draft pick. Teams have the right to build correctly and he has the right to stay in that environment. Individual basketball careers don't supercede employer rights. If he's unhappy, and the media pounces, frame it so it becomes media vs melo or melo vs the fans.

The next draft looks at first glance to be about 3-4 deep in terms of star potential (Porter, Ayton, Bamba). Nets (Celtics), Suns, Sacramento and Orlando will be in the mix for those positions. With Rose and Melo hopefully gone, we are in the mix here. That said, we should consider signing high work ethic players who won't move the needle too much per se. Yes to Ron Baker.

Acquire 2019 draft picks - this draft looks quite good even casually observing. Use cap space for this purpose out to 2 years. Ex. Take Iman Shumpert
for a 2019 1st round draft pick. Yes to George Hill on a reasonable contract (3 yrs 48 mil) only if you flip him for a 2019 1st round draft pick early mid-season. Same idea with Korver etc. If Lee gets you a 1st round pick here, trade him.

Don't trade KP, unless you can sell extremely high - i.e. Boston's treasure trove - Nets pick + LA pick. Monitor league perception on Willy.

Hire a GM who rose into administration from a scouting position.