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smackeddog wrote:I just listened to the Locked On Hawks podcast. The host thought the contract was too big for Tim and didn't see the Hawks matching. In regards to defense, he said Tim worked very hard on that part of the game and has gotten a lot better. He said Tim has gone from a dreadful defender to an adequate defender. He also pointed out that Tim is a guy that really can only defend shooting guards.TheGame wrote:This is a bad deal primarily because hardaway sucks on defense. If he was a better defensive player, then I would be okay with it. Way too much for hardaway and then they gave him four years.Someone posted some stats on a another thread showing he's actually become a much better defender. I don't like the signing at all, but there are grounds to say he's improved
Sinix wrote:It seems like an awful lot of money, but that’s not a discredit to him. It’s just the way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team. Look at it like that. Take out who it is and the money doesn’t sound so bad.”LOL these quotes are such bullsh-t.
way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team.
Another way to say this-
You're getting a scorer who couldn't even score 15ppg on a team with a negative +/- overall.
Negative plus minus overall? Just like he's inefficient and plays bad defense? His +/- numbers were the best on his team among guys with significant playing time and among the best in the league! Literally every "fact" you post is the polar opposite of the truth. I've never seen someone post so much wrong info. that was easily verifiable. I don't get what you're up to.
CrushAlot wrote:smackeddog wrote:I just listened to the Locked On Hawks podcast. The host thought the contract was too big for Tim and didn't see the Hawks matching. In regards to defense, he said Tim worked very hard on that part of the game and has gotten a lot better. He said Tim has gone from a dreadful defender to an adequate defender. He also pointed out that Tim is a guy that really can only defend shooting guards.TheGame wrote:This is a bad deal primarily because hardaway sucks on defense. If he was a better defensive player, then I would be okay with it. Way too much for hardaway and then they gave him four years.Someone posted some stats on a another thread showing he's actually become a much better defender. I don't like the signing at all, but there are grounds to say he's improved
I thought he said Tim went from being dreadful on D to just bad. We have Frank N and Baker so we should be decent using cross matchups. I hope so anyway. I still don't see the need to make a signing like this now. But we're stuck with him, so no use complaining now.
BigDaddyG wrote:CrushAlot wrote:smackeddog wrote:I just listened to the Locked On Hawks podcast. The host thought the contract was too big for Tim and didn't see the Hawks matching. In regards to defense, he said Tim worked very hard on that part of the game and has gotten a lot better. He said Tim has gone from a dreadful defender to an adequate defender. He also pointed out that Tim is a guy that really can only defend shooting guards.TheGame wrote:This is a bad deal primarily because hardaway sucks on defense. If he was a better defensive player, then I would be okay with it. Way too much for hardaway and then they gave him four years.Someone posted some stats on a another thread showing he's actually become a much better defender. I don't like the signing at all, but there are grounds to say he's improved
I thought he said Tim went from being dreadful on D to just bad. We have Frank N and Baker so we should be decent using cross matchups. I hope so anyway. I still don't see the need to make a signing like this now. But we're stuck with him, so no use complaining now.
He's held his man to about 38% shooting the past 2 seasons. It really doesn't matter what some guy on a podcast says. That said, Timmy does need to improve his box score defensive stats (rbs, blks, stls).
Bonn1997 wrote:Sinix wrote:It seems like an awful lot of money, but that’s not a discredit to him. It’s just the way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team. Look at it like that. Take out who it is and the money doesn’t sound so bad.”LOL these quotes are such bullsh-t.
way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team.
Another way to say this-
You're getting a scorer who couldn't even score 15ppg on a team with a negative +/- overall.
Negative plus minus overall? Just like he's inefficient and plays bad defense? His +/- numbers were the best on his team among guys with significant playing time and among the best in the league! Literally every "fact" you post is the polar opposite of the truth. I've never seen someone post so much wrong info. that was easily verifiable. I don't get what you're up to.
Maybe you should read better before attacking me personally. I was referring to the hawks plus and minus.
Sinix wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Sinix wrote:It seems like an awful lot of money, but that’s not a discredit to him. It’s just the way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team. Look at it like that. Take out who it is and the money doesn’t sound so bad.”LOL these quotes are such bullsh-t.
way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team.
Another way to say this-
You're getting a scorer who couldn't even score 15ppg on a team with a negative +/- overall.
Negative plus minus overall? Just like he's inefficient and plays bad defense? His +/- numbers were the best on his team among guys with significant playing time and among the best in the league! Literally every "fact" you post is the polar opposite of the truth. I've never seen someone post so much wrong info. that was easily verifiable. I don't get what you're up to.Maybe you should read better before attacking me personally. I was referring to the hawks plus and minus.
What does the team's +/- have to do with this?! Did we just acquire the entire Hawk's team? If you're on a team with a negative +/- and you can bring that deficient team to +3.5 per 48 while you're on the court, that's great. They're only a negative team when he's off the court, which clearly isn't his fault.
Bonn1997 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:CrushAlot wrote:smackeddog wrote:I just listened to the Locked On Hawks podcast. The host thought the contract was too big for Tim and didn't see the Hawks matching. In regards to defense, he said Tim worked very hard on that part of the game and has gotten a lot better. He said Tim has gone from a dreadful defender to an adequate defender. He also pointed out that Tim is a guy that really can only defend shooting guards.TheGame wrote:This is a bad deal primarily because hardaway sucks on defense. If he was a better defensive player, then I would be okay with it. Way too much for hardaway and then they gave him four years.Someone posted some stats on a another thread showing he's actually become a much better defender. I don't like the signing at all, but there are grounds to say he's improved
I thought he said Tim went from being dreadful on D to just bad. We have Frank N and Baker so we should be decent using cross matchups. I hope so anyway. I still don't see the need to make a signing like this now. But we're stuck with him, so no use complaining now.He's held his man to about 38% shooting the past 2 seasons. It really doesn't matter what some guy on a podcast says. That said, Timmy does need to improve his box score defensive stats (rbs, blks, stls).
That maybe more of a function of the team's defensive scheme. People who follow the team say he's improved, but still below average. It's not just the Locked On guy. Plus, do we even have a defensive scheme or coach at this point?
Bonn1997 wrote:Sinix wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Sinix wrote:It seems like an awful lot of money, but that’s not a discredit to him. It’s just the way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team. Look at it like that. Take out who it is and the money doesn’t sound so bad.”LOL these quotes are such bullsh-t.
way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team.
Another way to say this-
You're getting a scorer who couldn't even score 15ppg on a team with a negative +/- overall.
Negative plus minus overall? Just like he's inefficient and plays bad defense? His +/- numbers were the best on his team among guys with significant playing time and among the best in the league! Literally every "fact" you post is the polar opposite of the truth. I've never seen someone post so much wrong info. that was easily verifiable. I don't get what you're up to.Maybe you should read better before attacking me personally. I was referring to the hawks plus and minus.
What does the team's +/- have to do with this?! Did we just acquire the entire Hawk's team? If you're on a team with a negative +/- and you can bring that deficient team to +3.5 per 48 while you're on the court, that's great. They're only a negative team when he's off the court, which clearly isn't his fault.
The biased writer was trying to build up THjr by writing how he's a contributor to a playoff team without context. Playoffs implies the hawks were one of the better teams last season. The reality is that the hawks were a below average team last season and their opponent scored more than them on an average. The writing in the op looks like propaganda.
Sinix wrote:Anyone put two and two together and point out THjr had Dwight Howard clogging up the paint last season? Most likely that's the source of his defensive numbers going up.
Nope. His #s were excellent the prior season. Try again.
Sinix wrote:More stupidity.... but lets roll with it.It seems like an awful lot of money, but that’s not a discredit to him. It’s just the way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team. Look at it like that. Take out who it is and the money doesn’t sound so bad.”LOL these quotes are such bullsh-t.
way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team.
Another way to say this-
You're getting a scorer who couldn't even score 15ppg on a team with a negative +/- overall.
In 2154 minutes of the play with Hardaway on the floor the Hawks were +158
In 1821 minutes of the play with Hardaway off the floor the Hawks were -228
Sorry.. you were saying? Maybe your point was the Hawks are in no way a playoff team without THjr? Was that your point? Or that they were only a negative team when he didnt play? Was that it?
So your "another way to say this" is about as empty and foolish as your other attempts to throw shade where none should exist. There are plenty of legit reasons to not like this move from the Knicks. What is funny is NONE of your points are.
fishmike wrote:Sinix wrote:More stupidity.... but lets roll with it.It seems like an awful lot of money, but that’s not a discredit to him. It’s just the way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team. Look at it like that. Take out who it is and the money doesn’t sound so bad.”LOL these quotes are such bullsh-t.
way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team.
Another way to say this-
You're getting a scorer who couldn't even score 15ppg on a team with a negative +/- overall.
In 2154 minutes of the play with Hardaway on the floor the Hawks were +158
In 1821 minutes of the play with Hardaway off the floor the Hawks were -228Sorry.. you were saying? Maybe your point was the Hawks are in no way a playoff team without THjr? Was that your point? Or that they were only a negative team when he didnt play? Was that it?
So your "another way to say this" is about as empty and foolish as your other attempts to throw shade where none should exist. There are plenty of legit reasons to not like this move from the Knicks. What is funny is NONE of your points are.
Yeah, definitely. It's not a slam dunk deal. I'd give it like a C+. But Sinix's complaints are either factually incorrect (inefficient shooter, bad defender) or don't make sense (team was bad with him off the floor).
That said, if the Hawks really are that bad without him, they have to match. Think of all the lost revenue if they don't make the playoffs.
Sinix wrote:You two clowns are going off on tangents I don't even understand. Stop getting personal and get some control.
Personal? For the record, you're the only one name calling. Not sure what you don't understand.
fishmike wrote:Sinix wrote:More stupidity.... but lets roll with it.It seems like an awful lot of money, but that’s not a discredit to him. It’s just the way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team. Look at it like that. Take out who it is and the money doesn’t sound so bad.”LOL these quotes are such bullsh-t.
way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team.
Another way to say this-
You're getting a scorer who couldn't even score 15ppg on a team with a negative +/- overall.
In 2154 minutes of the play with Hardaway on the floor the Hawks were +158
In 1821 minutes of the play with Hardaway off the floor the Hawks were -228Sorry.. you were saying? Maybe your point was the Hawks are in no way a playoff team without THjr? Was that your point? Or that they were only a negative team when he didnt play? Was that it?
So your "another way to say this" is about as empty and foolish as your other attempts to throw shade where none should exist. There are plenty of legit reasons to not like this move from the Knicks. What is funny is NONE of your points are.
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fishmike wrote: home run. See ya Timmy. Hello Grant. I was thinking how much I loved watching him and thought what a great fit. Seeing him drop like this and seeing a guy like Cameron Payne go ahead of him... then bang. LOVE THIS
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blkexec wrote:
I think grant and mudiay are equal value....so its a great trade for an inconsistent 2 guard.
fishmike wrote: if your not head over heals for this you haven't watched Grant play very much. We got a simply outstanding player.
There is absolutely not one reason this makes any sense. Specially from someone that thought Grant was such a good pick up and thought Timmy was worth so little. I hated the trade, as Timmy was a good three point shooter and knew he had the tools to improve his weaknesses. Hated Grant as he had and still has NO court vision. But there is no way in hell this is an intelligent signing.
Dion Waiters for $12M...smart
PJ Tucker $7M...smart
Collison $10M...smart
Maclemore $5M...smart
Holiday $5M...smart.
Knicks....Fuckin idiots.
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Caseloads wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:How do you know theses are unbiased observations?This is a biased bull$#!t piece put out by his agent. We regret this dumb contract already. Imagine how we will feel two years from now.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/883505829709844481[/Tweet]
Knicks getting offer sheet ready for this guy: As he made 8 in a row
At least i can still laugh. But really...are we signing anyone else? LIke a Vet PG? Oh thats right, we have no more money.
HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Sinix wrote:More stupidity.... but lets roll with it.It seems like an awful lot of money, but that’s not a discredit to him. It’s just the way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team. Look at it like that. Take out who it is and the money doesn’t sound so bad.”LOL these quotes are such bullsh-t.
way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team.
Another way to say this-
You're getting a scorer who couldn't even score 15ppg on a team with a negative +/- overall.
In 2154 minutes of the play with Hardaway on the floor the Hawks were +158
In 1821 minutes of the play with Hardaway off the floor the Hawks were -228Sorry.. you were saying? Maybe your point was the Hawks are in no way a playoff team without THjr? Was that your point? Or that they were only a negative team when he didnt play? Was that it?
So your "another way to say this" is about as empty and foolish as your other attempts to throw shade where none should exist. There are plenty of legit reasons to not like this move from the Knicks. What is funny is NONE of your points are.
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fishmike wrote: home run. See ya Timmy. Hello Grant. I was thinking how much I loved watching him and thought what a great fit. Seeing him drop like this and seeing a guy like Cameron Payne go ahead of him... then bang. LOVE THIS
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blkexec wrote:
I think grant and mudiay are equal value....so its a great trade for an inconsistent 2 guard.
fishmike wrote: if your not head over heals for this you haven't watched Grant play very much. We got a simply outstanding player.There is absolutely not one reason this makes any sense. Specially from someone that thought Grant was such a good pick up and thought Timmy was worth so little. I hated the trade, as Timmy was a good three point shooter and knew he had the tools to improve his weaknesses. Hated Grant as he had and still has NO court vision. But there is no way in hell this is an intelligent signing.
Dion Waiters for $12M...smart
PJ Tucker $7M...smart
Collison $10M...smart
Maclemore $5M...smart
Holiday $5M...smart.Knicks....Fuckin idiots.
No one thinks Timmy is the same player as 3 years ago. Fish wrote an opinion 25 months ago and he was supposed to stick to it no matter what happened in the next 25 months?
Bonn1997 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Sinix wrote:More stupidity.... but lets roll with it.It seems like an awful lot of money, but that’s not a discredit to him. It’s just the way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team. Look at it like that. Take out who it is and the money doesn’t sound so bad.”LOL these quotes are such bullsh-t.
way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team.
Another way to say this-
You're getting a scorer who couldn't even score 15ppg on a team with a negative +/- overall.
In 2154 minutes of the play with Hardaway on the floor the Hawks were +158
In 1821 minutes of the play with Hardaway off the floor the Hawks were -228Sorry.. you were saying? Maybe your point was the Hawks are in no way a playoff team without THjr? Was that your point? Or that they were only a negative team when he didnt play? Was that it?
So your "another way to say this" is about as empty and foolish as your other attempts to throw shade where none should exist. There are plenty of legit reasons to not like this move from the Knicks. What is funny is NONE of your points are.
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fishmike wrote: home run. See ya Timmy. Hello Grant. I was thinking how much I loved watching him and thought what a great fit. Seeing him drop like this and seeing a guy like Cameron Payne go ahead of him... then bang. LOVE THIS
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blkexec wrote:
I think grant and mudiay are equal value....so its a great trade for an inconsistent 2 guard.
fishmike wrote: if your not head over heals for this you haven't watched Grant play very much. We got a simply outstanding player.There is absolutely not one reason this makes any sense. Specially from someone that thought Grant was such a good pick up and thought Timmy was worth so little. I hated the trade, as Timmy was a good three point shooter and knew he had the tools to improve his weaknesses. Hated Grant as he had and still has NO court vision. But there is no way in hell this is an intelligent signing.
Dion Waiters for $12M...smart
PJ Tucker $7M...smart
Collison $10M...smart
Maclemore $5M...smart
Holiday $5M...smart.Knicks....Fuckin idiots.
No one thinks Timmy is the same player as 3 years ago. Fish wrote an opinion 25 months ago and he was supposed to stick to it no matter what happened in the next 25 months?
Check again...The Hawks think so. And why not just draft MONK????
HofstraBBall wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:Caseloads wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:How do you know theses are unbiased observations?This is a biased bull$#!t piece put out by his agent. We regret this dumb contract already. Imagine how we will feel two years from now.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/883505829709844481[/Tweet]Knicks getting offer sheet ready for this guy: As he made 8 in a row
At least i can still laugh. But really...are we signing anyone else? LIke a Vet PG? Oh thats right, we have no more money.
Hahahahhahahahahhahaha touche bro! You're a lil salty but you make me laugh lol
Bonn1997 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:fishmike wrote:Sinix wrote:More stupidity.... but lets roll with it.It seems like an awful lot of money, but that’s not a discredit to him. It’s just the way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team. Look at it like that. Take out who it is and the money doesn’t sound so bad.”LOL these quotes are such bullsh-t.
way the league is going right now. For most players it’s, ‘Wow, he got what?’ ” another scout said. “Yes, it’s a lot of money. But you’re getting a young shooting wing who put up almost 15 points on a playoff team.
Another way to say this-
You're getting a scorer who couldn't even score 15ppg on a team with a negative +/- overall.
In 2154 minutes of the play with Hardaway on the floor the Hawks were +158
In 1821 minutes of the play with Hardaway off the floor the Hawks were -228Sorry.. you were saying? Maybe your point was the Hawks are in no way a playoff team without THjr? Was that your point? Or that they were only a negative team when he didnt play? Was that it?
So your "another way to say this" is about as empty and foolish as your other attempts to throw shade where none should exist. There are plenty of legit reasons to not like this move from the Knicks. What is funny is NONE of your points are.
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fishmike wrote: home run. See ya Timmy. Hello Grant. I was thinking how much I loved watching him and thought what a great fit. Seeing him drop like this and seeing a guy like Cameron Payne go ahead of him... then bang. LOVE THIS
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blkexec wrote:
I think grant and mudiay are equal value....so its a great trade for an inconsistent 2 guard.
fishmike wrote: if your not head over heals for this you haven't watched Grant play very much. We got a simply outstanding player.There is absolutely not one reason this makes any sense. Specially from someone that thought Grant was such a good pick up and thought Timmy was worth so little. I hated the trade, as Timmy was a good three point shooter and knew he had the tools to improve his weaknesses. Hated Grant as he had and still has NO court vision. But there is no way in hell this is an intelligent signing.
Dion Waiters for $12M...smart
PJ Tucker $7M...smart
Collison $10M...smart
Maclemore $5M...smart
Holiday $5M...smart.Knicks....Fuckin idiots.
No one thinks Timmy is the same player as 3 years ago. Fish wrote an opinion 25 months ago and he was supposed to stick to it no matter what happened in the next 25 months?
Dion Waiters for $12M...smart
PJ Tucker $7M...smart
Collison $10M...smart
Maclemore $5M...smart
Holiday $5M...smart.Knicks....Fuckin idiots.
I'm sorry, which of these guys-other than Waiters and Collison- is comparable to the skill set+production+age THJ displayed last season?
Tucker-over 30 defensive role player
Collison-4 years older?
McLemore-He is Hardaway of 3 years ago.
Holiday-Totally different player, that still has something to prove, although I liked him.