Knicks · Melo rumors heating up? (page 26)
The Rockets are expected to make another major push for New York star Carmelo Anthony, despite the recent pause in talks. Anthony reportedly is making it clear he does not want to remain with the Knicks and he does not want to add anyone to his wish list beyond the Rockets and Cleveland. Morey, it has been said, still believes the Rockets are the frontrunners.
http://amicohoops.net/nba-rumors-houston...
CrushAlot wrote:The Rockets are expected to make another major push for New York star Carmelo Anthony, despite the recent pause in talks. Anthony reportedly is making it clear he does not want to remain with the Knicks and he does not want to add anyone to his wish list beyond the Rockets and Cleveland. Morey, it has been said, still believes the Rockets are the frontrunners.
http://amicohoops.net/nba-rumors-houston-rockets-les-alexander-carmelo-anthony-tariq-black/
People need to take reports like this with a grain of salt.
The problem with the first "push" is how few options the Rockets actually have. It's either Anderson or Gordon and Ariza, period. There is no other way to get Melo on their roster.
"Pushing" Anderson on NY or somewhere else may have no more success than the first time. The rockets don't have a lot of "asset" sweeteners.
Th Rockets can make like 3 proposals to the knicks, none of which look that different from one another, and would take the Knicks all of 5 mins to review.
Knickoftime wrote:I am not sure how reliable Amico is. I saw that on Clutchfans. I would think the selling of the team might impact a trade for Melo.CrushAlot wrote:The Rockets are expected to make another major push for New York star Carmelo Anthony, despite the recent pause in talks. Anthony reportedly is making it clear he does not want to remain with the Knicks and he does not want to add anyone to his wish list beyond the Rockets and Cleveland. Morey, it has been said, still believes the Rockets are the frontrunners.
http://amicohoops.net/nba-rumors-houston-rockets-les-alexander-carmelo-anthony-tariq-black/People need to take reports like this with a grain of salt.
The problem with the first "push" is how few options the Rockets actually have. It's either Anderson or Gordon and Ariza, period. There is no other way to get Melo on their roster.
"Pushing" Anderson on NY or somewhere else may have no more success than the first time. The rockets don't have a lot of "asset" sweeteners.
Th Rockets can make like 3 proposals to the knicks, none of which look that different from one another, and would take the Knicks all of 5 mins to review.
This has the making of a Marbury situation on the horizon
knicks1248 wrote:This situation is getting ugly, first you want him out, now since you can get anything decent in return, you tell to expand his list or become a mentor.by NBA standards MArbury was done. The Knicks kicked him to the curb. He got a cup of coffee in Boston but just didnt have much in the tank. Some time off, a clear head and off to China where he has a great 2nd career vs. NCAA caliber competition.This has the making of a Marbury situation on the horizon
Melo is still a very productive NBA that plenty of teams would like to add. I think the Knicks are playing it right. I would rather get nothing for him than take on longer more terrible contracts.
Short term goal should be to build up the team, look for opportunities to move Lee (or god forbid Noah) for a shorter contract and have a large amount of cap space in the year that KP and Willy are due for big deals.
The point of no return.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk9WFeZs9tc[/YouTube]
SocraticBallin22 wrote:I'm starting to lose respect for Melo. When we traded for him to come here, we gave up so many assets to acquire him because he didn't want to risk going into free agency that summer and not get a max contract with the CBA.
Again ... falsehood.
SocraticBallin22 wrote:I'm starting to lose respect for Melo. When we traded for him to come here, we gave up so many assets to acquire him because he didn't want to risk going into free agency that summer and not get a max contract with the CBA. Now that he's leaving, he is dictating which team he wants to go with (granted it's his right b/c of dumb no trade clause) but it ensures the team gets little to no value back in return so he's happy to go play play for a contender. He's setting the franchise back coming and going.
Knicks and Melo haters are getting exactly what they deserve. Melo stayed quite all year. Knowimg full well who was in control. Now your complaining about the realization. Maybe you now see what some of us saw as a problem with Phil's handling of Melo. But thats because he thought he could waste another 60m of Dolan s money by buying him out. Yet everyone thought it was defending Melo and not just complaining about Phil devaluing yet another one of our assets. For the sake of his precious. At least we got rid of him before he completed doing the same with KP.
SocraticBallin22 wrote:I'm starting to lose respect for Melo. When we traded for him to come here, we gave up so many assets to acquire him because he didn't want to risk going into free agency that summer and not get a max contract with the CBA. Now that he's leaving, he is dictating which team he wants to go with (granted it's his right b/c of dumb no trade clause) but it ensures the team gets little to no value back in return so he's happy to go play play for a contender. He's setting the franchise back coming and going.
Speak for yourself. Can't lose what I never had.
HofstraBBall wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:I'm starting to lose respect for Melo. When we traded for him to come here, we gave up so many assets to acquire him because he didn't want to risk going into free agency that summer and not get a max contract with the CBA. Now that he's leaving, he is dictating which team he wants to go with (granted it's his right b/c of dumb no trade clause) but it ensures the team gets little to no value back in return so he's happy to go play play for a contender. He's setting the franchise back coming and going.Knicks and Melo haters are getting exactly what they deserve. Melo stayed quite all year. Knowimg full well who was in control. Now your complaining about the realization. Maybe you now see what some of us saw as a problem with Phil's handling of Melo. But thats because he thought he could waste another 60m of Dolan s money by buying him out. Yet everyone thought it was defending Melo and not just complaining about Phil devaluing yet another one of our assets. For the sake of his precious. At least we got rid of him before he completed doing the same with KP.
At this stage in the game, Melo's relative value around the league is moot if Melo is trying to force his way to Houston or Cleveland via his NTC.
Houston isn't holding back value, they don't have any value to give. It's Anderson or Gordon/Ariza. Period. I doubt Paul and Harden were swayed by Jackson.
Same in Cleveland, it's either Shump/Frye/Jefferson or Love, with again, Lebron James being the biggest influence.
I'm not defending Jackson but he could have talked him up for those 6 months and the math would be the same.
Melo's perceived value isn't getting some team to take Anderson off Houston's hands.
Knickoftime wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:I'm starting to lose respect for Melo. When we traded for him to come here, we gave up so many assets to acquire him because he didn't want to risk going into free agency that summer and not get a max contract with the CBA. Now that he's leaving, he is dictating which team he wants to go with (granted it's his right b/c of dumb no trade clause) but it ensures the team gets little to no value back in return so he's happy to go play play for a contender. He's setting the franchise back coming and going.Knicks and Melo haters are getting exactly what they deserve. Melo stayed quite all year. Knowimg full well who was in control. Now your complaining about the realization. Maybe you now see what some of us saw as a problem with Phil's handling of Melo. But thats because he thought he could waste another 60m of Dolan s money by buying him out. Yet everyone thought it was defending Melo and not just complaining about Phil devaluing yet another one of our assets. For the sake of his precious. At least we got rid of him before he completed doing the same with KP.
At this stage in the game, Melo's relative value around the league is moot if Melo is trying to force his way to Houston or Cleveland via his NTC.
Houston isn't holding back value, they don't have any value to give. It's Anderson or Gordon/Ariza. Period. I doubt Paul and Harden were swayed by Jackson.
Same in Cleveland, it's either Shump/Frye/Jefferson or Love, with again, Lebron James being the biggest influence.
I'm not defending Jackson but he could have talked him up for those 6 months and the math would be the same.
Melo's perceived value isn't getting some team to take Anderson off Houston's hands.
My point is we gave up a boatload to get him here. He was going to be a free agent that summer and we could have gotten him without giving up assets but he was afraid of not getting back his full money because of the restructuring of the CBA.
Now that he's leaving, he only wants to be traded to two contending teams, which does not help his value. Yes...Phil gave him a no trade, which was stupid, and yes, Phil extended his contract, which was dumb; and yes, Phil devalued him in the press, but Melo is not helping matters on his way out. Giving up a lot to get him; we had one good season, and now getting nothing in sending him out.
Knickoftime wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:I'm starting to lose respect for Melo. When we traded for him to come here, we gave up so many assets to acquire him because he didn't want to risk going into free agency that summer and not get a max contract with the CBA. Now that he's leaving, he is dictating which team he wants to go with (granted it's his right b/c of dumb no trade clause) but it ensures the team gets little to no value back in return so he's happy to go play play for a contender. He's setting the franchise back coming and going.Knicks and Melo haters are getting exactly what they deserve. Melo stayed quite all year. Knowimg full well who was in control. Now your complaining about the realization. Maybe you now see what some of us saw as a problem with Phil's handling of Melo. But thats because he thought he could waste another 60m of Dolan s money by buying him out. Yet everyone thought it was defending Melo and not just complaining about Phil devaluing yet another one of our assets. For the sake of his precious. At least we got rid of him before he completed doing the same with KP.
At this stage in the game, Melo's relative value around the league is moot if Melo is trying to force his way to Houston or Cleveland via his NTC.
Houston isn't holding back value, they don't have any value to give. It's Anderson or Gordon/Ariza. Period. I doubt Paul and Harden were swayed by Jackson.
Same in Cleveland, it's either Shump/Frye/Jefferson or Love, with again, Lebron James being the biggest influence.
I'm not defending Jackson but he could have talked him up for those 6 months and the math would be the same.
Melo's perceived value isn't getting some team to take Anderson off Houston's hands.
Did Phils handling help or hurt the possibility of Melo becoming more accommodating to have a win win for both sides in separating? The main reason value is so low is that they have pushed him to a point where he doesn't give a damn about what the Knicks/Dolan/Mills get in return. You keep telling someone to F off and he surely won't be helping you on the way out.
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:I'm starting to lose respect for Melo. When we traded for him to come here, we gave up so many assets to acquire him because he didn't want to risk going into free agency that summer and not get a max contract with the CBA. Now that he's leaving, he is dictating which team he wants to go with (granted it's his right b/c of dumb no trade clause) but it ensures the team gets little to no value back in return so he's happy to go play play for a contender. He's setting the franchise back coming and going.Knicks and Melo haters are getting exactly what they deserve. Melo stayed quite all year. Knowimg full well who was in control. Now your complaining about the realization. Maybe you now see what some of us saw as a problem with Phil's handling of Melo. But thats because he thought he could waste another 60m of Dolan s money by buying him out. Yet everyone thought it was defending Melo and not just complaining about Phil devaluing yet another one of our assets. For the sake of his precious. At least we got rid of him before he completed doing the same with KP.
At this stage in the game, Melo's relative value around the league is moot if Melo is trying to force his way to Houston or Cleveland via his NTC.
Houston isn't holding back value, they don't have any value to give. It's Anderson or Gordon/Ariza. Period. I doubt Paul and Harden were swayed by Jackson.
Same in Cleveland, it's either Shump/Frye/Jefferson or Love, with again, Lebron James being the biggest influence.
I'm not defending Jackson but he could have talked him up for those 6 months and the math would be the same.
Melo's perceived value isn't getting some team to take Anderson off Houston's hands.
My point is we gave up a boatload to get him here. He was going to be a free agent that summer and we could have gotten him without giving up assets but he was afraid of not getting back his full money because of the restructuring of the CBA.
Now that he's leaving, he only wants to be traded to two contending teams, which does not help his value. Yes...Phil gave him a not trade, which was stupid, and yes, Phil extended his contract, which was dumb; and yes, Phil devalued him in the press, but Melo is not helping matters on his way out. Giving up a lot to get him; we had one good season, and now getting nothing in sending him out.
True. But IMO, it was the Knicks ownership/front office responsibility to analyze things better and not get out negotiated. Not like Melo was in the Knicks front office. Why is Houston not gutting their team?
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:I'm starting to lose respect for Melo. When we traded for him to come here, we gave up so many assets to acquire him because he didn't want to risk going into free agency that summer and not get a max contract with the CBA. Now that he's leaving, he is dictating which team he wants to go with (granted it's his right b/c of dumb no trade clause) but it ensures the team gets little to no value back in return so he's happy to go play play for a contender. He's setting the franchise back coming and going.Knicks and Melo haters are getting exactly what they deserve. Melo stayed quite all year. Knowimg full well who was in control. Now your complaining about the realization. Maybe you now see what some of us saw as a problem with Phil's handling of Melo. But thats because he thought he could waste another 60m of Dolan s money by buying him out. Yet everyone thought it was defending Melo and not just complaining about Phil devaluing yet another one of our assets. For the sake of his precious. At least we got rid of him before he completed doing the same with KP.
At this stage in the game, Melo's relative value around the league is moot if Melo is trying to force his way to Houston or Cleveland via his NTC.
Houston isn't holding back value, they don't have any value to give. It's Anderson or Gordon/Ariza. Period. I doubt Paul and Harden were swayed by Jackson.
Same in Cleveland, it's either Shump/Frye/Jefferson or Love, with again, Lebron James being the biggest influence.
I'm not defending Jackson but he could have talked him up for those 6 months and the math would be the same.
Melo's perceived value isn't getting some team to take Anderson off Houston's hands.
My point is we gave up a boatload to get him here. He was going to be a free agent that summer and we could have gotten him without giving up assets but he was afraid of not getting back his full money because of the restructuring of the CBA.
Now that he's leaving, he only wants to be traded to two contending teams, which does not help his value. Yes...Phil gave him a not trade, which was stupid, and yes, Phil extended his contract, which was dumb; and yes, Phil devalued him in the press, but Melo is not helping matters on his way out. Giving up a lot to get him; we had one good season, and now getting nothing in sending him out.
Yeah now we are being told Melo doesn't care about helping the Knicks anymore because he is pissed with Phil/Jeff/Dolan. But when he was pissed with George Karl/Denver front office it didn't stop him from helping them TRADERAPE three Knicks.
People will spin whatever bullshit they can to make it sound like reasonable arguments.
meloshouldgo wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:I'm starting to lose respect for Melo. When we traded for him to come here, we gave up so many assets to acquire him because he didn't want to risk going into free agency that summer and not get a max contract with the CBA. Now that he's leaving, he is dictating which team he wants to go with (granted it's his right b/c of dumb no trade clause) but it ensures the team gets little to no value back in return so he's happy to go play play for a contender. He's setting the franchise back coming and going.Knicks and Melo haters are getting exactly what they deserve. Melo stayed quite all year. Knowimg full well who was in control. Now your complaining about the realization. Maybe you now see what some of us saw as a problem with Phil's handling of Melo. But thats because he thought he could waste another 60m of Dolan s money by buying him out. Yet everyone thought it was defending Melo and not just complaining about Phil devaluing yet another one of our assets. For the sake of his precious. At least we got rid of him before he completed doing the same with KP.
At this stage in the game, Melo's relative value around the league is moot if Melo is trying to force his way to Houston or Cleveland via his NTC.
Houston isn't holding back value, they don't have any value to give. It's Anderson or Gordon/Ariza. Period. I doubt Paul and Harden were swayed by Jackson.
Same in Cleveland, it's either Shump/Frye/Jefferson or Love, with again, Lebron James being the biggest influence.
I'm not defending Jackson but he could have talked him up for those 6 months and the math would be the same.
Melo's perceived value isn't getting some team to take Anderson off Houston's hands.
My point is we gave up a boatload to get him here. He was going to be a free agent that summer and we could have gotten him without giving up assets but he was afraid of not getting back his full money because of the restructuring of the CBA.
Now that he's leaving, he only wants to be traded to two contending teams, which does not help his value. Yes...Phil gave him a not trade, which was stupid, and yes, Phil extended his contract, which was dumb; and yes, Phil devalued him in the press, but Melo is not helping matters on his way out. Giving up a lot to get him; we had one good season, and now getting nothing in sending him out.
Yeah now we are being told Melo doesn't care about helping the Knicks anymore because he is pissed with Phil/Jeff/Dolan. But when he was pissed with George Karl/Denver front office it didn't stop him from helping them TRADERAPE three Knicks.
People will spin whatever bullshit they can to make it sound like reasonable arguments.
It takes two teams to trade. Also, don't give a guy a NTC and a trade kicker and you don't have these issues. If you negotiate deals thinking you are absolutely the smartest guy in the room you might get smoked.
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:I'm starting to lose respect for Melo. When we traded for him to come here, we gave up so many assets to acquire him because he didn't want to risk going into free agency that summer and not get a max contract with the CBA. Now that he's leaving, he is dictating which team he wants to go with (granted it's his right b/c of dumb no trade clause) but it ensures the team gets little to no value back in return so he's happy to go play play for a contender. He's setting the franchise back coming and going.Knicks and Melo haters are getting exactly what they deserve. Melo stayed quite all year. Knowimg full well who was in control. Now your complaining about the realization. Maybe you now see what some of us saw as a problem with Phil's handling of Melo. But thats because he thought he could waste another 60m of Dolan s money by buying him out. Yet everyone thought it was defending Melo and not just complaining about Phil devaluing yet another one of our assets. For the sake of his precious. At least we got rid of him before he completed doing the same with KP.
At this stage in the game, Melo's relative value around the league is moot if Melo is trying to force his way to Houston or Cleveland via his NTC.
Houston isn't holding back value, they don't have any value to give. It's Anderson or Gordon/Ariza. Period. I doubt Paul and Harden were swayed by Jackson.
Same in Cleveland, it's either Shump/Frye/Jefferson or Love, with again, Lebron James being the biggest influence.
I'm not defending Jackson but he could have talked him up for those 6 months and the math would be the same.
Melo's perceived value isn't getting some team to take Anderson off Houston's hands.
My point is we gave up a boatload to get him here. He was going to be a free agent that summer and we could have gotten him without giving up assets but he was afraid of not getting back his full money because of the restructuring of the CBA.
Which again, is a falsehood.
HofstraBBall wrote:Knickoftime wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:I'm starting to lose respect for Melo. When we traded for him to come here, we gave up so many assets to acquire him because he didn't want to risk going into free agency that summer and not get a max contract with the CBA. Now that he's leaving, he is dictating which team he wants to go with (granted it's his right b/c of dumb no trade clause) but it ensures the team gets little to no value back in return so he's happy to go play play for a contender. He's setting the franchise back coming and going.Knicks and Melo haters are getting exactly what they deserve. Melo stayed quite all year. Knowimg full well who was in control. Now your complaining about the realization. Maybe you now see what some of us saw as a problem with Phil's handling of Melo. But thats because he thought he could waste another 60m of Dolan s money by buying him out. Yet everyone thought it was defending Melo and not just complaining about Phil devaluing yet another one of our assets. For the sake of his precious. At least we got rid of him before he completed doing the same with KP.
At this stage in the game, Melo's relative value around the league is moot if Melo is trying to force his way to Houston or Cleveland via his NTC.
Houston isn't holding back value, they don't have any value to give. It's Anderson or Gordon/Ariza. Period. I doubt Paul and Harden were swayed by Jackson.
Same in Cleveland, it's either Shump/Frye/Jefferson or Love, with again, Lebron James being the biggest influence.
I'm not defending Jackson but he could have talked him up for those 6 months and the math would be the same.
Melo's perceived value isn't getting some team to take Anderson off Houston's hands.
Did Phils handling help or hurt the possibility of Melo becoming more accommodating to have a win win for both sides in separating? The main reason value is so low is that they have pushed him to a point where he doesn't give a damn about what the Knicks/Dolan/Mills get in return. You keep telling someone to F off and he surely won't be helping you on the way out.
He ASKED for the NTC.
He declined to go to Houston or Chicago when he had the chance.
Two of his best friends are in Houston and Cleveland and they ALSO happen to play for now legit title contenders.
I get sports fans always need a boogeyman to blame why things aren't going in ideal fashion on, but the idea Melo would be open to other, lesser teams if Jackson was nicer to him is speculative fiction.
meloshouldgo wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:SocraticBallin22 wrote:I'm starting to lose respect for Melo. When we traded for him to come here, we gave up so many assets to acquire him because he didn't want to risk going into free agency that summer and not get a max contract with the CBA. Now that he's leaving, he is dictating which team he wants to go with (granted it's his right b/c of dumb no trade clause) but it ensures the team gets little to no value back in return so he's happy to go play play for a contender. He's setting the franchise back coming and going.Knicks and Melo haters are getting exactly what they deserve. Melo stayed quite all year. Knowimg full well who was in control. Now your complaining about the realization. Maybe you now see what some of us saw as a problem with Phil's handling of Melo. But thats because he thought he could waste another 60m of Dolan s money by buying him out. Yet everyone thought it was defending Melo and not just complaining about Phil devaluing yet another one of our assets. For the sake of his precious. At least we got rid of him before he completed doing the same with KP.
At this stage in the game, Melo's relative value around the league is moot if Melo is trying to force his way to Houston or Cleveland via his NTC.
Houston isn't holding back value, they don't have any value to give. It's Anderson or Gordon/Ariza. Period. I doubt Paul and Harden were swayed by Jackson.
Same in Cleveland, it's either Shump/Frye/Jefferson or Love, with again, Lebron James being the biggest influence.
I'm not defending Jackson but he could have talked him up for those 6 months and the math would be the same.
Melo's perceived value isn't getting some team to take Anderson off Houston's hands.
My point is we gave up a boatload to get him here. He was going to be a free agent that summer and we could have gotten him without giving up assets but he was afraid of not getting back his full money because of the restructuring of the CBA.
Now that he's leaving, he only wants to be traded to two contending teams, which does not help his value. Yes...Phil gave him a not trade, which was stupid, and yes, Phil extended his contract, which was dumb; and yes, Phil devalued him in the press, but Melo is not helping matters on his way out. Giving up a lot to get him; we had one good season, and now getting nothing in sending him out.
Yeah now we are being told Melo doesn't care about helping the Knicks anymore because he is pissed with Phil/Jeff/Dolan. But when he was pissed with George Karl/Denver front office it didn't stop him from helping them TRADERAPE three Knicks.
It was in his interest to do so.
People will spin whatever bullshit they can to make it sound like reasonable arguments.
And people will be willfully ignorant because they have a grudge.