Great and we have no money open
BigRedDog wrote:Great and we have no money open
you'd want him on the team? At what price? Dude will be 28 and had like 2 really good playoff games.
martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Great and we have no money open
you'd want him on the team? At what price? Dude will be 28 and had like 2 really good playoff games.
they just handed THJ $71 million for similar production
SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Great and we have no money open
you'd want him on the team? At what price? Dude will be 28 and had like 2 really good playoff games.
they just handed THJ $71 million for similar production
NO! No they didn't. THJ just turned 25!!! THJ had a FAR better season and has much more upside.
Spurs trying to sign DRose?
Or clear cap to re-sign Pau.
i love what simmons did during his playoff run after kawhi got hurt, but there's very few teams in the league where he could post similar numbers. he's a product of that system and should stay there.
SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Great and we have no money open
you'd want him on the team? At what price? Dude will be 28 and had like 2 really good playoff games.
they just handed THJ $71 million for similar production
I like Simmons, but their production is far from similar.
All Spur players are better than Knicks.
Anyway we have no money, no caps, nothing.
It is none of our business.
nixluva wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Great and we have no money open
you'd want him on the team? At what price? Dude will be 28 and had like 2 really good playoff games.
they just handed THJ $71 million for similar production
NO! No they didn't. THJ just turned 25!!! THJ had a FAR better season and has much more upside.
the end of last season is basically the only time THJ really did anything of note
Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Great and we have no money open
you'd want him on the team? At what price? Dude will be 28 and had like 2 really good playoff games.
they just handed THJ $71 million for similar production
I like Simmons, but their production is far from similar.
I agree that THJ has produced more, but again he really only accomplished anything at the end of last season. I', assuming Jonathan Simmons will go for the MLE or less. If the question is who would I rather have for only being good at the end of last season, I'd probably pick Simmons (and I'd definitely pick Holliday over both, when you consider the contract)
SupremeCommander wrote:nixluva wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Great and we have no money open
you'd want him on the team? At what price? Dude will be 28 and had like 2 really good playoff games.
they just handed THJ $71 million for similar production
NO! No they didn't. THJ just turned 25!!! THJ had a FAR better season and has much more upside.
the end of last season is basically the only time THJ really did anything of note
the end of last season? How about a majority of last season?
Nov, Dec he was OK. Jan, Feb, Mar, he was very good. For 6 games in Apr, he was pretty good. In the playoffs he sucked.
martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:nixluva wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Great and we have no money open
you'd want him on the team? At what price? Dude will be 28 and had like 2 really good playoff games.
they just handed THJ $71 million for similar production
NO! No they didn't. THJ just turned 25!!! THJ had a FAR better season and has much more upside.
the end of last season is basically the only time THJ really did anything of note
the end of last season? How about a majority of last season?
Nov, Dec he was OK. Jan, Feb, Mar, he was very good. For 6 games in Apr, he was pretty good. In the playoffs he sucked.
his PER was 15.2 - yeah, great year
SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:nixluva wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Great and we have no money open
you'd want him on the team? At what price? Dude will be 28 and had like 2 really good playoff games.
they just handed THJ $71 million for similar production
NO! No they didn't. THJ just turned 25!!! THJ had a FAR better season and has much more upside.
the end of last season is basically the only time THJ really did anything of note
the end of last season? How about a majority of last season?
Nov, Dec he was OK. Jan, Feb, Mar, he was very good. For 6 games in Apr, he was pretty good. In the playoffs he sucked.
his PER was 15.2 - yeah, great year
that's your response? Misdirection on a stat that we all know is way outdated?
martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:nixluva wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Great and we have no money open
you'd want him on the team? At what price? Dude will be 28 and had like 2 really good playoff games.
they just handed THJ $71 million for similar production
NO! No they didn't. THJ just turned 25!!! THJ had a FAR better season and has much more upside.
the end of last season is basically the only time THJ really did anything of note
the end of last season? How about a majority of last season?
Nov, Dec he was OK. Jan, Feb, Mar, he was very good. For 6 games in Apr, he was pretty good. In the playoffs he sucked.
his PER was 15.2 - yeah, great year
that's your response? Misdirection on a stat that we all know is way outdated?
pfffft you said "How about a majority of last season?"
and my answer implies he SUCKED the first half of last year and we gave out 71 mil for a small sample size. in fact I don't think he ever produced anything that warranted the contract he received.
Did you have a bad day or something? By definition, a PER of 15 means he was AVERAGE. A V E R A G E
Simmons is a much better defender than Hardaway.
But on offense, not really close.
Tim's shot is so much smoother, better playing off screens, creating shots.
nyknickzingis wrote:Simmons is a much better defender than Hardaway.
But on offense, not really close.
Tim's shot is so much smoother, better playing off screens, creating shots.
THJ is clealry the overall better player. But considering Simmons QO just got pulled, the question is who would you rather have: Simmons at the MLE or less, or THJ at $71 with a no trade and a trade kicker?
Sign me up for Simmons (and I would have preferred Holiday to either)
SupremeCommander wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Simmons is a much better defender than Hardaway.
But on offense, not really close.
Tim's shot is so much smoother, better playing off screens, creating shots.
THJ is clealry the overall better player. But considering Simmons QO just got pulled, the question is who would you rather have: Simmons at the MLE or less, or THJ at $71 with a no trade and a trade kicker?
Sign me up for Simmons (and I would have preferred Holiday to either)
I would prefer to have lee, THj and simmons
martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:nixluva wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:martin wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Great and we have no money open
you'd want him on the team? At what price? Dude will be 28 and had like 2 really good playoff games.
they just handed THJ $71 million for similar production
NO! No they didn't. THJ just turned 25!!! THJ had a FAR better season and has much more upside.
the end of last season is basically the only time THJ really did anything of note
the end of last season? How about a majority of last season?
Nov, Dec he was OK. Jan, Feb, Mar, he was very good. For 6 games in Apr, he was pretty good. In the playoffs he sucked.
his PER was 15.2 - yeah, great year
that's your response? Misdirection on a stat that we all know is way outdated?
Stats don't become outdated. Their weaknesses become exposed. But that is when they become most effective. When you better understand them. Win Shares overstates wins versus losses which are not an individual effort but ateam effort. +/- is a measure of the player's relationship with his teammates. PER has too much weight on the usage multiplier and creates random values for specific behaviors while giving no values for others. Points scored is really a function of shots taken. TS% and eFG% are very player specific and are better regarded with respect to specific areas of the floor rather than as a whole. I.e. Just because Tyson Chandler has a high eFG doesnt mean I want him taking more shots. His eFG% is high because he pretty much only makes putbacks.
Any stat you can dream of I can invalidate or overstate to suit my needs. But I agree with Supreme. His stats are decidedly average. People are confused because average is a lot better than how he performed when he was here. That boost in performance does not a superstar make.
