Knicks · Isn't Melo to Blazers a fair deal for both sides? (page 1)

I think the Knicks went out of their way for Carmelo. We wouldn't be asking to send him to South Dakota. Portland is a gorgeous area with great fans and owner. There is as much talent on Portland as any team in the Nba not named GS and he fits like a glove there. Why can't Melo be reasonable and say to the NY fans who treated him well-- we couldn't get a fair deal for Ny in Clev and Houston so I opened it up a little and found that Portland was in everyone's best interest. He's been here 6 years-- why does he want to leave putting a sour taste in fans mouths? He should think about it

BRIGGS wrote:I think the Knicks went out of their way for Carmelo. We wouldn't be asking to send him to South Dakota. Portland is a gorgeous area with great fans and owner. There is as much talent on Portland as any team in the Nba not named GS and he fits like a glove there. Why can't Melo be reasonable and say to the NY fans who treated him well-- we couldn't get a fair deal for Ny in Clev and Houston so I opened it up a little and found that Portland was in everyone's best interest. He's been here 6 years-- why does he want to leave putting a sour taste in fans mouths? He should think about it

I can only imagine how frustrating it is watch professional sports and expect athletes to act with the interest of others first.

I can't imagine how anyone has any expectation that Melo of all people will

BRIGGS wrote:I think the Knicks went out of their way for Carmelo. We wouldn't be asking to send him to South Dakota. Portland is a gorgeous area with great fans and owner. There is as much talent on Portland as any team in the Nba not named GS and he fits like a glove there. Why can't Melo be reasonable and say to the NY fans who treated him well-- we couldn't get a fair deal for Ny in Clev and Houston so I opened it up a little and found that Portland was in everyone's best interest. He's been here 6 years-- why does he want to leave putting a sour taste in fans mouths? He should think about it

It's a gross assumption that he cares about winning basketball games. When people are looking at Portland, they are looking at the Blazers chances of winning now, and then winning if Melo was on that roster. If he cared about winning basketball games, he'd show it with full effort on the court. He doesn't, so what does that say about him?

I don't, personally, mind if he exercises his rights to his NTC. He negotiated for it, he got it, they gave it to him, so he's going to use it.

The problem I have is how conducts himself when he is on the Knicks roster. He's a selfish and toxic player and he's accountable for that. How he plays and conducts himself is one of the reasons that his market is still limited and would even be limited even without a NTC. He's his own worst enemy.

Charles Barkley said it best years ago when Kobe Bryant had a NTC and wanted to go to Chicago but wanted to play with Luol Deng and only wanted to waive it for a trade that would gut the Lakers and get Bryant max money and all the players he wanted to play with at the time. Barkley finally said, it's his right to exercise his NTC, he earned it, he negotiated for it. But the line gets drawn when you complain in public for not getting every last single thing you want.

If Melo wants to exercise the rights to his NTC, fine. He doesn't have to justify why his decisions are reasonable or unreasonable.

However, if he complains about the Knicks lack of winning and lack of roster around him, he can clearly go f**k himself. You want the team to win more in general? Then play some defense you stupid dipwad. You don't think the team is getting better free agents, then play and lead in a way to make the place more attractive to draw in other players. Don't complain for the aspects of dysfunction on this team you helped to self inflict.

But sadly, the person Melo most cheated was himself. He had the chance to be the best player he could possibly be, and he squandered it. He decided to simply not care.

What he owed the Knicks was full effort and a relentless commitment to win. Which he did not do.

He does not and will not owe them an explanation of how he uses his NTC.

The former makes him a pathetic loser, the latter is just logistics.

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BRIGGS wrote:I think the Knicks went out of their way for Carmelo. We wouldn't be asking to send him to South Dakota. Portland is a gorgeous area with great fans and owner. There is as much talent on Portland as any team in the Nba not named GS and he fits like a glove there. Why can't Melo be reasonable and say to the NY fans who treated him well-- we couldn't get a fair deal for Ny in Clev and Houston so I opened it up a little and found that Portland was in everyone's best interest. He's been here 6 years-- why does he want to leave putting a sour taste in fans mouths? He should think about it

I think he really wants to play with Paul. He was willing to go to the Clippers at the deadline. Paul left the Clips because Doc wouldn't trade his son. If there is no chance of a houston deal happening then he might consider the Blazers.

TripleThreat wrote:The problem I have is how conducts himself when he is on the Knicks roster. He's a selfish and toxic player and he's accountable for that. How he plays and conducts himself is one of the reasons that his market is still limited and would even be limited even without a NTC.

It really isn't.

The two teams he's open to play for feature his best friends, both who have leverage and influence with their front offices. Houston at least, seems highly motivated. Problem in Cleveland may just be a lack of a front office.

A 3rd team also seems interested, led by their two star players who seem to value Melo pretty highly.

The problem with Melo's market is less his perceived value to those teams, and more those teams just don't have the pieces or motivation to make better offers.

I don't know that if Memphis or Charlotte or Toronto had strong interest in Melo it would make any difference given the NTC and trade knicker.

Knickoftime wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:The problem I have is how conducts himself when he is on the Knicks roster. He's a selfish and toxic player and he's accountable for that. How he plays and conducts himself is one of the reasons that his market is still limited and would even be limited even without a NTC.

It really isn't.

The two teams he's open to play for feature his best friends, both who have leverage and influence with their front offices. Houston at least, seems highly motivated. Problem in Cleveland may just be a lack of a front office.

A 3rd team also seems interested, led by their two star players who seem to value Melo pretty highly.

The problem with Melo's market is less his perceived value to those teams, and more those teams just don't have the pieces or motivation to make better offers.

I don't know that if Memphis or Charlotte or Toronto had strong interest in Melo it would make any difference given the NTC and trade knicker.

This. His market value cannot be determined. Phil gave him a NTC. He also has a 9 million dollar trade kicker.

Melo has to face reality that the Cavs and Rockets don't have the assets that would entice the Knicks to make a deal, and the Knicks should let him know that and tell him to find his own trade. Find a team you are willing to go to that has assets we are willing to accept and we will ship you out as fast as we can sign the paperwork. Portland would be a good spot for him. They have a solid team and enough assets that they could trade for Melo and still remain competitive.

Never seen a player as mediocre as Melo get catered to so much.

If he does not accept the trade to Portland, then bench him. Marbury him. Simple.

Sinix wrote:Never seen a player as mediocre as Melo get catered to so much.

A 10x all star, 3x gold medal, scored the 2nd most points in Olympic play, the guy is plastered on the TV every hr on the hr regarding this potential trade. He is the biggest topic of discussion currently in the NBA, scoring title.

There is nothing mediocre about Melo, if he was, we wouldn't have 50 threads discussing him.

Lee, noah, holiday, those are avg players.

I was wonder, did he have a NTC in DENVER, or did they just honor his New York wishes?

knicks1248 wrote:

Sinix wrote:Never seen a player as mediocre as Melo get catered to so much.

A 10x all star, 3x gold medal, scored the 2nd most points in Olympic play, the guy is plastered on the TV every hr on the hr regarding this potential trade. He is the biggest topic of discussion currently in the NBA, scoring title.

There is nothing mediocre about Melo, if he was, we wouldn't have 50 threads discussing him.

Lee, noah, holiday, those are avg players.

I was wonder, did he have a NTC in DENVER, or did they just honor his New York wishes?

I'm not a big Melo fan BUT I would never say melo is mediocre that's ridiculous. He obviously is a all-star player. HOWEVER he is not a guy you can build a winner around. Ive said for many years he is a perfect number 2 guy who can score. That's not a bad thing at all but I think sometimes Melo thinks he is on the Lebron/Durant/Curry/Kobe Level which he isn't.

knicks1248 wrote:

Sinix wrote:Never seen a player as mediocre as Melo get catered to so much.

A 10x all star, 3x gold medal, scored the 2nd most points in Olympic play, the guy is plastered on the TV every hr on the hr regarding this potential trade. He is the biggest topic of discussion currently in the NBA, scoring title.

There is nothing mediocre about Melo, if he was, we wouldn't have 50 threads discussing him.

Lee, noah, holiday, those are avg players.

I was wonder, did he have a NTC in DENVER, or did they just honor his New York wishes?

You missed the point. I'm not talking about his aggregate career in a void. No one in the history of the league has had as much say in their organization besides Lebron, Kobe in his prime and MJ(?) in his prime. Melo is mediocre next to these players.

Made it to a conference finals only once in his career. Tons of coaches and front office people fired & players traded to make room for his bad defense and bad ball movement style.

Talent? Eh, they're a .500 team. Melo seems to have more respect for high PPG players. If he wants to go there, great.

Melo is actually a great fit for the Blazers.

Blazers w/ Melo > Rockets w/ Melo

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think the Knicks went out of their way for Carmelo. We wouldn't be asking to send him to South Dakota. Portland is a gorgeous area with great fans and owner. There is as much talent on Portland as any team in the Nba not named GS and he fits like a glove there. Why can't Melo be reasonable and say to the NY fans who treated him well-- we couldn't get a fair deal for Ny in Clev and Houston so I opened it up a little and found that Portland was in everyone's best interest. He's been here 6 years-- why does he want to leave putting a sour taste in fans mouths? He should think about it

It's a gross assumption that he cares about winning basketball games. When people are looking at Portland, they are looking at the Blazers chances of winning now, and then winning if Melo was on that roster. If he cared about winning basketball games, he'd show it with full effort on the court. He doesn't, so what does that say about him?

I don't, personally, mind if he exercises his rights to his NTC. He negotiated for it, he got it, they gave it to him, so he's going to use it.

The problem I have is how conducts himself when he is on the Knicks roster. He's a selfish and toxic player and he's accountable for that. How he plays and conducts himself is one of the reasons that his market is still limited and would even be limited even without a NTC. He's his own worst enemy.

Charles Barkley said it best years ago when Kobe Bryant had a NTC and wanted to go to Chicago but wanted to play with Luol Deng and only wanted to waive it for a trade that would gut the Lakers and get Bryant max money and all the players he wanted to play with at the time. Barkley finally said, it's his right to exercise his NTC, he earned it, he negotiated for it. But the line gets drawn when you complain in public for not getting every last single thing you want.

If Melo wants to exercise the rights to his NTC, fine. He doesn't have to justify why his decisions are reasonable or unreasonable.

However, if he complains about the Knicks lack of winning and lack of roster around him, he can clearly go f**k himself. You want the team to win more in general? Then play some defense you stupid dipwad. You don't think the team is getting better free agents, then play and lead in a way to make the place more attractive to draw in other players. Don't complain for the aspects of dysfunction on this team you helped to self inflict.

But sadly, the person Melo most cheated was himself. He had the chance to be the best player he could possibly be, and he squandered it. He decided to simply not care.

What he owed the Knicks was full effort and a relentless commitment to win. Which he did not do.

He does not and will not owe them an explanation of how he uses his NTC.

The former makes him a pathetic loser, the latter is just logistics.

I really enjoyed your post

Sinix wrote:Melo is actually a great fit for the Blazers.

Blazers w/ Melo > Rockets w/ Melo

Blazers jump the Rockets despite having added Paul?

That's a big impact for a mediocre player.

Sinix wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Sinix wrote:Never seen a player as mediocre as Melo get catered to so much.

A 10x all star, 3x gold medal, scored the 2nd most points in Olympic play, the guy is plastered on the TV every hr on the hr regarding this potential trade. He is the biggest topic of discussion currently in the NBA, scoring title.

There is nothing mediocre about Melo, if he was, we wouldn't have 50 threads discussing him.

Lee, noah, holiday, those are avg players.

I was wonder, did he have a NTC in DENVER, or did they just honor his New York wishes?

You missed the point. I'm not talking about his aggregate career in a void. No one in the history of the league has had as much say in their organization besides Lebron, Kobe in his prime and MJ(?) in his prime. Melo is mediocre next to these players.

Made it to a conference finals only once in his career. Tons of coaches and front office people fired & players traded to make room for his bad defense and bad ball movement style.

You need to stop with these "history of the league" comments when it's obvious your frame of reference doesn't extend pass this millennium.

knicks1248 wrote:

Sinix wrote:Never seen a player as mediocre as Melo get catered to so much.

A 10x all star, 3x gold medal, scored the 2nd most points in Olympic play, the guy is plastered on the TV every hr on the hr regarding this potential trade. He is the biggest topic of discussion currently in the NBA, scoring title.

There is nothing mediocre about Melo, if he was, we wouldn't have 50 threads discussing him.

Lee, noah, holiday, those are avg players.

I was wonder, did he have a NTC in DENVER, or did they just honor his New York wishes?

Melo is popular. Yes he create a brand but he's on older legs now in a young athletic league. Can't shoot in the 4th quarter, doesn't play D, and a team concept killer. Let him screw up some other team. Can't wait til he's outta here.

Paris907 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Sinix wrote:Never seen a player as mediocre as Melo get catered to so much.

A 10x all star, 3x gold medal, scored the 2nd most points in Olympic play, the guy is plastered on the TV every hr on the hr regarding this potential trade. He is the biggest topic of discussion currently in the NBA, scoring title.

There is nothing mediocre about Melo, if he was, we wouldn't have 50 threads discussing him.

Lee, noah, holiday, those are avg players.

I was wonder, did he have a NTC in DENVER, or did they just honor his New York wishes?

Melo is popular. Yes he create a brand but he's on older legs now in a young athletic league. Can't shoot in the 4th quarter, doesn't play D, and a team concept killer. Let him screw up some other team. Can't wait til he's outta here.

He's a team concept killer when he's not playing with high quality teammates. It kills me when people keep saying this. Put Melo on a better team with better players when he doesn't have to carry the majority of the offensive load and I would bet anything he becomes a better all around player. I'm ready to move on from Melo too but I think some of these narratives are becoming very unfair just because he's not Lebron or Kobe or Durant. He wasn't all-nba six times by being bad. Remember, there is no fan voting with all-league honors.

Knickoftime wrote:

Sinix wrote:Melo is actually a great fit for the Blazers.

Blazers w/ Melo > Rockets w/ Melo

Blazers jump the Rockets despite having added Paul?

That's a big impact for a mediocre player.

The Rockets team is a clumsy fit. Especially clumsy when they add Melo. They are more talented but so what. If talent alone won championships then Steve Nash would have a ring along with Dwight Howard from their Laker days.

Lillard/McCollum/Harkless/Melo/Nurkic with Crabbe on the bench is as good as any team not the Warriors in the West. Right there with San Antonio imo. Lillard could be an MVP contender and that's an elite and balanced supporting cast.

Welpee wrote:

Sinix wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Sinix wrote:Never seen a player as mediocre as Melo get catered to so much.

A 10x all star, 3x gold medal, scored the 2nd most points in Olympic play, the guy is plastered on the TV every hr on the hr regarding this potential trade. He is the biggest topic of discussion currently in the NBA, scoring title.

There is nothing mediocre about Melo, if he was, we wouldn't have 50 threads discussing him.

Lee, noah, holiday, those are avg players.

I was wonder, did he have a NTC in DENVER, or did they just honor his New York wishes?

You missed the point. I'm not talking about his aggregate career in a void. No one in the history of the league has had as much say in their organization besides Lebron, Kobe in his prime and MJ(?) in his prime. Melo is mediocre next to these players.

Made it to a conference finals only once in his career. Tons of coaches and front office people fired & players traded to make room for his bad defense and bad ball movement style.

You need to stop with these "history of the league" comments when it's obvious your frame of reference doesn't extend pass this millennium.

Actually that is on purpose and that probably has more to do with you not know the history of the league extending passed the millennium. The idea of players having a say like Melo does with the Knicks was unheard of in the past so the idea of me having to bring up someone from the 60s or 70s here shows your ignorance more than anything.