Knicks · Melo - Prima Dona if there ever was one - now only wants Houston (page 2)
knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that
It's bad enough that Phil and Dolan gave him this power. That's that crappy part. They gave him the right to pick what team he wants to be traded to and he's exercising that right. I'd do the same. He should go to a team he doesn't want to now just to make Knicks fans happy?Dolan had nothing to do with melo being resign, probably doesn't even know what a NTC is.
Blaming dolan for anything outside of hiring a president is unrealistic. He hasn't even met is GM for crying-out-loud.
The owner is the final say - whether he's involved or negligent. First, Dolan can stop any deal he doesn't approve of. Second, who hired Phil in the first place anyway?!
There is NO compelling reason to trade Melo anywhere unless the return is equal to or better than what the Knicks decide it is.
If the argument is being made that "Phil got Phil fired" then a good case case be made that Melo turned Melo into a scrub. And if Melo can only be traded for scrubs then let him anchor the bench - what's the difference? Melo is as good a seventh or eighth option as the Knicks will get in return.
Keep him.
And if we don't keep him and Houston is going to send turd for turd returns then wait to trade him until well after all the pre-season practices are over with so that the Melo effect airs its aroma for a good half-season before crushing all Houston hopes in January and February.
Good Lord, if we're lucky D'Antoni will be back as a bench coach by April.
fwk00 wrote:The beauty of the situation is that the Knicks hold the NTC with Melo. Melo is under contract until hell freezes over in a year or so.There is NO compelling reason to trade Melo anywhere unless the return is equal to or better than what the Knicks decide it is.
If the argument is being made that "Phil got Phil fired" then a good case case be made that Melo turned Melo into a scrub. And if Melo can only be traded for scrubs then let him anchor the bench - what's the difference? Melo is as good a seventh or eighth option as the Knicks will get in return.
Keep him.
And if we don't keep him and Houston is going to send turd for turd returns then wait to trade him until well after all the pre-season practices are over with so that the Melo effect airs its aroma for a good half-season before crushing all Houston hopes in January and February.
Good Lord, if we're lucky D'Antoni will be back as a bench coach by April.
Wow, we hold an NTC with Melo?! I've never heard that phrase before. What team doesn't own an NTC with a player? No team is forced to trade a player. Saying the Knicks hold an NTC with Melo is the same as saying Melo plays for the Knicks, which we already knew.
knicks1248 wrote:Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that
You can't blame players for exercising their rights.
Welpee wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that
You can't blame players for exercising their rights.
The guy who gave him that contract was Jackson who believed (and said so at the time) that he thought Melo would become one of the greats under his guidance AND if the time ever came to parts ways, he [Jackson] felt comfortable, based on contract negotiations, that he and Melo could work out a better situation.
It should be clear who was deceiving who by now but don't let me stop you - carry on.
fwk00 wrote:Welpee wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that
You can't blame players for exercising their rights.
The guy who gave him that contract was Jackson who believed (and said so at the time) that he thought Melo would become one of the greats under his guidance AND if the time ever came to parts ways, he [Jackson] felt comfortable, based on contract negotiations, that he and Melo could work out a better situation.
It should be clear who was deceiving who by now but don't let me stop you - carry on.
Melo was deceptive. Phil was stupid.
fwk00 wrote:So now Melo deceived Phil into giving him that contract? LOL!!!!!Welpee wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that
You can't blame players for exercising their rights.
The guy who gave him that contract was Jackson who believed (and said so at the time) that he thought Melo would become one of the greats under his guidance AND if the time ever came to parts ways, he [Jackson] felt comfortable, based on contract negotiations, that he and Melo could work out a better situation.
It should be clear who was deceiving who by now but don't let me stop you - carry on.
Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that
It's bad enough that Phil and Dolan gave him this power. That's that crappy part. They gave him the right to pick what team he wants to be traded to and he's exercising that right. I'd do the same. He should go to a team he doesn't want to now just to make Knicks fans happy?Dolan had nothing to do with melo being resign, probably doesn't even know what a NTC is.
Blaming dolan for anything outside of hiring a president is unrealistic. He hasn't even met is GM for crying-out-loud.
The owner is the final say - whether he's involved or negligent. First, Dolan can stop any deal he doesn't approve of. Second, who hired Phil in the first place anyway?!
right, but if he stated he is hands off of basketball related business, then melo's contract was all on phil. Phil and mills completely screwed this up big time, because even in the middle of the BS, melo never requested a trade, and was ok with the direction the franchise was going in. Phil said so himself in his last press conference.
Once phil was gone, MILLS should have went straight to melo to have a heart to heart, but instead he proceeded with searching for trade partners despite major hurdles. Then perry comes in only to wake mills up to the realization that trading melo at this time is pretty dumb considering the returns.
This is going to get very ugly and embarrassing in the coming wks..watch and see
fitzfarm wrote:I think at this point if melo can land us kyrie, we tell melo you either go to Cleveland or you can stay home for the season. But no frank in the trade, melo protected picks and that's it
Some of you are like kids in a candy store. We should not trade picks or youth.
knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Dolan had nothing to do with melo being resign, probably doesn't even know what a NTC is.knicks1248 wrote:Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take thatIt's bad enough that Phil and Dolan gave him this power. That's that crappy part. They gave him the right to pick what team he wants to be traded to and he's exercising that right. I'd do the same. He should go to a team he doesn't want to now just to make Knicks fans happy?
Blaming dolan for anything outside of hiring a president is unrealistic. He hasn't even met is GM for crying-out-loud.
Amazingly the single most ignorant statement I have ever read on th UK
Bonn1997 wrote:fwk00 wrote:Welpee wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that
You can't blame players for exercising their rights.
The guy who gave him that contract was Jackson who believed (and said so at the time) that he thought Melo would become one of the greats under his guidance AND if the time ever came to parts ways, he [Jackson] felt comfortable, based on contract negotiations, that he and Melo could work out a better situation.
It should be clear who was deceiving who by now but don't let me stop you - carry on.
Melo was deceptive. Phil was stupid.
Phil was overly confident in his own ability to mold Carmelo. Carmelo, as he had done time and time again, was disingenuous - he wasn't signing to play basketball, he was signing to manage his paycheck.
fwk00 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fwk00 wrote:Welpee wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that
You can't blame players for exercising their rights.
The guy who gave him that contract was Jackson who believed (and said so at the time) that he thought Melo would become one of the greats under his guidance AND if the time ever came to parts ways, he [Jackson] felt comfortable, based on contract negotiations, that he and Melo could work out a better situation.
It should be clear who was deceiving who by now but don't let me stop you - carry on.
Melo was deceptive. Phil was stupid.Phil was overly confident in his own ability to mold Carmelo. Carmelo, as he had done time and time again, was disingenuous - he wasn't signing to play basketball, he was signing to manage his paycheck.
That's just a longer way of saying what I said
fwk00 wrote:Or could it be that Phil was over confident in his ability to made trades and sign free agents (i.e. what the heck he was being paid to do) and found himself stuck with having no choice but to ride or die with Melo? That's not Melo's fault. And some of y'all act like Phil was coaching the team. When was the last time you heard of a team president "molding" players. That makes no sense.Bonn1997 wrote:fwk00 wrote:Welpee wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that
You can't blame players for exercising their rights.
The guy who gave him that contract was Jackson who believed (and said so at the time) that he thought Melo would become one of the greats under his guidance AND if the time ever came to parts ways, he [Jackson] felt comfortable, based on contract negotiations, that he and Melo could work out a better situation.
It should be clear who was deceiving who by now but don't let me stop you - carry on.
Melo was deceptive. Phil was stupid.Phil was overly confident in his own ability to mold Carmelo. Carmelo, as he had done time and time again, was disingenuous - he wasn't signing to play basketball, he was signing to manage his paycheck.
fwk00 wrote:Phil was over confident in his ability to win a negotiation. He also was over confident in his team building ability. He thought that the triangle was a bigger part of his teams success then the quality of his rosters. Phil convinced Melo that he was building a championship contender in NY and he wanted Melo to be a part of that. He then went out and did three roster resets and had three different head coaches. He was very good at the accidental tank.Bonn1997 wrote:fwk00 wrote:Welpee wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that
You can't blame players for exercising their rights.
The guy who gave him that contract was Jackson who believed (and said so at the time) that he thought Melo would become one of the greats under his guidance AND if the time ever came to parts ways, he [Jackson] felt comfortable, based on contract negotiations, that he and Melo could work out a better situation.
It should be clear who was deceiving who by now but don't let me stop you - carry on.
Melo was deceptive. Phil was stupid.Phil was overly confident in his own ability to mold Carmelo. Carmelo, as he had done time and time again, was disingenuous - he wasn't signing to play basketball, he was signing to manage his paycheck.
fwk00 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fwk00 wrote:Welpee wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that
You can't blame players for exercising their rights.
The guy who gave him that contract was Jackson who believed (and said so at the time) that he thought Melo would become one of the greats under his guidance AND if the time ever came to parts ways, he [Jackson] felt comfortable, based on contract negotiations, that he and Melo could work out a better situation.
It should be clear who was deceiving who by now but don't let me stop you - carry on.
Melo was deceptive. Phil was stupid.Phil was overly confident in his own ability to mold Carmelo. Carmelo, as he had done time and time again, was disingenuous - he wasn't signing to play basketball, he was signing to manage his paycheck.
Right on!! When Phil promised Melo he would build around him but instead brought broken down old players, that was truly genuine. And when he could no longer force feed another dinasour, The Triangle, he threw Melo under the bus. Really genuine. However, at least he was finally honest when he said they would like to move on without him in order to go with the young movement. But that is the reason Melo was smart enough to add a NTC. In case their promises, at signing, to build around him was reneged.
And your right, just dont get why anyone cares about making money. I mean... I am sure you work for free.
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HofstraBBall wrote:Exactly. And I'm sure if that poster's current employer decided to ship him to Boone County Kentucky to work he would gladly just go and wouldn't raise an eyebrow.fwk00 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fwk00 wrote:Welpee wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that
You can't blame players for exercising their rights.
The guy who gave him that contract was Jackson who believed (and said so at the time) that he thought Melo would become one of the greats under his guidance AND if the time ever came to parts ways, he [Jackson] felt comfortable, based on contract negotiations, that he and Melo could work out a better situation.
It should be clear who was deceiving who by now but don't let me stop you - carry on.
Melo was deceptive. Phil was stupid.Phil was overly confident in his own ability to mold Carmelo. Carmelo, as he had done time and time again, was disingenuous - he wasn't signing to play basketball, he was signing to manage his paycheck.
Right on!! When Phil promised Melo he would build around him but instead brought broken down old players, that was truly genuine. And when he could no longer force feed another dinasour, The Triangle, he threw Melo under the bus. Really genuine. However, at least he was finally honest when he said they would like to move on without him in order to go with the young movement. But that is the reason Melo was smart enough to add a NTC. In case their promises, at signing, to build around him was reneged.
And your right, just dont get why anyone cares about making money. I mean... I am sure you work for free.
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fwk00 wrote:The bolded is funny. Phil did not want the Knick job and didn't agree to it until the money became too much to turn down. His entire tenure it was speculated that he was just getting a money grab. After he signed the extension he upped the dysfunction for a month and a half and then went back to Montana with 24 mil.Bonn1997 wrote:fwk00 wrote:Welpee wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that
You can't blame players for exercising their rights.
The guy who gave him that contract was Jackson who believed (and said so at the time) that he thought Melo would become one of the greats under his guidance AND if the time ever came to parts ways, he [Jackson] felt comfortable, based on contract negotiations, that he and Melo could work out a better situation.
It should be clear who was deceiving who by now but don't let me stop you - carry on.
Melo was deceptive. Phil was stupid.Phil was overly confident in his own ability to mold Carmelo. Carmelo, as he had done time and time again, was disingenuous - he wasn't signing to play basketball, he was signing to manage his paycheck.
CrushAlot wrote:Phil falling asleep during pre-draft workouts is a bigger indication of him just being in it to manage his paycheck than anything Melo ever did.fwk00 wrote:The bolded is funny. Phil did not want the Knick job and didn't agree to it until the money became too much to turn down. His entire tenure it was speculated that he was just getting a money grab. After he signed the extension he upped the dysfunction for a month and a half and then went back to Montana with 24 mil.Bonn1997 wrote:fwk00 wrote:Welpee wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that
You can't blame players for exercising their rights.
The guy who gave him that contract was Jackson who believed (and said so at the time) that he thought Melo would become one of the greats under his guidance AND if the time ever came to parts ways, he [Jackson] felt comfortable, based on contract negotiations, that he and Melo could work out a better situation.
It should be clear who was deceiving who by now but don't let me stop you - carry on.
Melo was deceptive. Phil was stupid.Phil was overly confident in his own ability to mold Carmelo. Carmelo, as he had done time and time again, was disingenuous - he wasn't signing to play basketball, he was signing to manage his paycheck.